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Do you find it interesting that in the United States they propose the Green New Deal?",1162.82,1166.96,{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":176,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":27,"indexable":179},218,"72298","Although it's a radical left proposal over there, it's like a Marshall Plan that has to be done now to slow the destruction of the world and of politics in Brazil.",1168.56,1182.44,{"idx":1471,"utterance_id":1472,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1473,"start_s":1474,"end_s":1475,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},219,"72299","I'm only going to ask you this question because you have a degree of distance from the subject that I think may interest those listening to us.",1183.44,1189.48,{"idx":1477,"utterance_id":1478,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1479,"start_s":1480,"end_s":1481,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},220,"72300","Lava Jato, Vaza Jato.",1191.04,1192.62,{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},221,"72301","Do you think there were exaggerations?",1192.66,1195.56,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},222,"72302","Do you think there was politicization in any... in any sense?",1195.8,1200.54,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":213,"indexable":179},223,"72303","Do you think everything was fine?",1200.58,1202.56,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":213,"indexable":179},224,"72304","So, how do you take it?",1203.56,1205.72,{"idx":1507,"utterance_id":1508,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1509,"start_s":1510,"end_s":1511,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},225,"72305","You're reading newspapers, you're staying as informed as we are.",1205.76,1210.62,{"idx":1513,"utterance_id":1514,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1515,"start_s":1516,"end_s":1517,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},226,"72306","What's your perception?",1211.28,1212.44,{"idx":1519,"utterance_id":1520,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1521,"start_s":1522,"end_s":1523,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},227,"72307","You had said that the PT strengthened the institutions and ended up suffering consequences from that as well.",1213.54,1222.82,{"idx":1525,"utterance_id":1526,"speaker_name":176,"text":1527,"start_s":1528,"end_s":1529,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},228,"72308","How do you see that?",1223.22,1224.68,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1531,"speaker_name":176,"text":1532,"start_s":1533,"end_s":1534,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},"72309","I think we have to get out of the 'fla-flu' of being... I'm Lava Jato, I'm Vaza Jato.",1225.22,1233.86,{"idx":1536,"utterance_id":1537,"speaker_name":176,"text":1538,"start_s":1539,"end_s":1540,"word_count":230,"indexable":179},230,"72310","I think it's that kind of dichotomy that leads us nowhere.",1234.2,1237.5,{"idx":1542,"utterance_id":1543,"speaker_name":176,"text":1544,"start_s":1545,"end_s":1546,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},231,"72311","So it's evident that Lava Jato did a huge amount of good for Brazil, putting rich people behind bars for the first time.",1238.32,1249.2,{"idx":1548,"utterance_id":1549,"speaker_name":176,"text":1550,"start_s":1551,"end_s":1552,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},232,"72312","There simply weren't rich people in jail.",1249.42,1251.26,{"idx":1554,"utterance_id":1555,"speaker_name":176,"text":1556,"start_s":1557,"end_s":1558,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},233,"72313","This is revolutionary.",1251.94,1253.96,{"idx":1560,"utterance_id":1561,"speaker_name":176,"text":1562,"start_s":1563,"end_s":1564,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},234,"72314","Now, it's also evident that it did this in illegal ways.",1254.9,1258.5,{"idx":1566,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":176,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},235,"72315","We see it in Vaza Jato now, but we already knew before.",1258.92,1262.4,{"idx":1572,"utterance_id":1573,"speaker_name":176,"text":1574,"start_s":1575,"end_s":1576,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},236,"72316","With illegal temporary detentions, illegal coercive detentions, illegal wiretaps, illegal leaks of wiretaps, and various other illegal and immoral tricks — needless to say.",1263.54,1277.08,{"idx":1578,"utterance_id":1579,"speaker_name":176,"text":1580,"start_s":1581,"end_s":1582,"word_count":317,"indexable":179},237,"72317","So it's necessary to look at all these events and think about what is right and what is wrong on each side.",1278.78,1287.62,{"idx":1584,"utterance_id":1585,"speaker_name":176,"text":1586,"start_s":1587,"end_s":1588,"word_count":249,"indexable":179},238,"72318","We can't do otherwise... Because that's what is dumbing down the debate.",1287.66,1291.06,{"idx":1590,"utterance_id":1591,"speaker_name":176,"text":1592,"start_s":1593,"end_s":1594,"word_count":21,"indexable":179},239,"72319","If we deny that Lava Jato had any benefit for Brazil, anyone who sits down and says that is crazy.",1292.52,1298.4,{"idx":1596,"utterance_id":1597,"speaker_name":176,"text":1598,"start_s":1599,"end_s":1600,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},240,"72320","It dismantled a lot of corruption schemes.",1299.56,1301.66,{"idx":1602,"utterance_id":1603,"speaker_name":176,"text":1604,"start_s":1605,"end_s":1606,"word_count":213,"indexable":179},241,"72321","And it put guilty people behind bars.",1302.6,1304.38,{"idx":1608,"utterance_id":1609,"speaker_name":176,"text":1610,"start_s":1611,"end_s":1612,"word_count":293,"indexable":179},242,"72322","If we deny that a guy, the judge, who spoke with the MPF and guided the MPF to pursue the candidate who... lost the election to the other, and then that judge became that candidate's Minister of Justice, and it's all fine...",1304.94,1318.84,{"idx":1614,"utterance_id":1615,"speaker_name":176,"text":1616,"start_s":1617,"end_s":1618,"word_count":232,"indexable":179},243,"72323","That's a banana mess — a little horned banana republic.",1318.9,1324.14,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1620,"speaker_name":176,"text":1621,"start_s":1622,"end_s":1623,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},"72324","So, I think this fight between being for or against is what's screwing everything up.",1324.18,1331.94,{"idx":1625,"utterance_id":1626,"speaker_name":176,"text":1627,"start_s":1628,"end_s":1629,"word_count":232,"indexable":179},245,"72325","And I think the left gets in the way a lot here.",1332,1333.8,{"idx":1631,"utterance_id":1632,"speaker_name":176,"text":1633,"start_s":1634,"end_s":1635,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},246,"72326","Because when the left makes as the focus of its action... For example, at the time of the impeachment, the left's slogan was 'there will be no coup.'",1333.9,1342.82,{"idx":1637,"utterance_id":1638,"speaker_name":176,"text":1639,"start_s":1640,"end_s":1641,"word_count":225,"indexable":179},247,"72327","And it didn't look at any problem of the government.",1345.24,1347.2,{"idx":1643,"utterance_id":1644,"speaker_name":176,"text":1645,"start_s":1646,"end_s":1647,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},248,"72328","'There will be no coup' eclipsed any problem of Dilma's government.",1347.26,1351.28,{"idx":1649,"utterance_id":1650,"speaker_name":176,"text":1651,"start_s":1652,"end_s":1653,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},249,"72329","Then it was 'Temer out.'",1351.58,1352.94,{"idx":1655,"utterance_id":1656,"speaker_name":176,"text":1657,"start_s":1658,"end_s":1659,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},250,"72330","And then it was 'Lula 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livre.",1399.38,1402.82,{"idx":1703,"utterance_id":1704,"speaker_name":176,"text":1705,"start_s":1706,"end_s":1707,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},258,"72338","They won't.",1402.9,1403.28,{"idx":1709,"utterance_id":1710,"speaker_name":176,"text":1711,"start_s":1712,"end_s":1713,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},259,"72339","The strongest political force in Brazil is anti-PT sentiment, still.",1403.84,1407.96,{"idx":1715,"utterance_id":1716,"speaker_name":176,"text":1717,"start_s":1718,"end_s":1719,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},260,"72340","You can agree with that anti-PT sentiment or disagree and think it was created by the media or that it wasn't.",1409.16,1414.52,{"idx":1721,"utterance_id":1722,"speaker_name":176,"text":1723,"start_s":1724,"end_s":1725,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},261,"72341","It doesn't matter.",1414.58,1415.12,{"idx":1727,"utterance_id":1728,"speaker_name":176,"text":1729,"start_s":1730,"end_s":1731,"word_count":225,"indexable":179},262,"72342","That's how people are thinking today.",1415.48,1416.82,{"idx":1733,"utterance_id":1734,"speaker_name":176,"text":1735,"start_s":1736,"end_s":1737,"word_count":317,"indexable":179},263,"72343","Trying to pick up those 40% of people who are not fascists and voted for Bolsonaro and bring them to Lula livre won't work.",1417.22,1422.1,{"idx":1739,"utterance_id":1740,"speaker_name":176,"text":1741,"start_s":1742,"end_s":1743,"word_count":283,"indexable":179},264,"72344","We'll only end up pushing the disaffected of the Bolsonaro government back into Bolsonaro's lap.",1422.4,1428.98,{"idx":1745,"utterance_id":1746,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1747,"start_s":1748,"end_s":1749,"word_count":232,"indexable":179},265,"72345","Now, for example, you say they put rich people in jail.",1429.58,1433.58,{"idx":1751,"utterance_id":1752,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1753,"start_s":1754,"end_s":1755,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},266,"72346","There are very few rich people in jail today.",1434.22,1436.06,{"idx":1757,"utterance_id":1758,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1759,"start_s":1760,"end_s":1761,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},267,"72347","I mean, in a short time things began to return to normal for the rich, at least.",1437.28,1444.66,{"idx":1763,"utterance_id":1764,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1765,"start_s":1766,"end_s":1767,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},268,"72348","Inequality is increasing, unemployment has reached the stratosphere, we've wrecked a good part of the... the economy, especially construction, heavy and light.",1446.46,1455.92,{"idx":1769,"utterance_id":1770,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1771,"start_s":1772,"end_s":1773,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},269,"72349","Is Brazil prepared to take stock of what has happened since 2013?",1457.8,1461.86,{"idx":1775,"utterance_id":1776,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1777,"start_s":1778,"end_s":1779,"word_count":249,"indexable":179},270,"72350","Do you think there's already an atmosphere to make a more sober assessment?",1461.98,1466.32,{"idx":1781,"utterance_id":1782,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1783,"start_s":1784,"end_s":1785,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},271,"72351","And, obviously, with the consequences, the fallout that this would have?",1467.54,1473.32,{"idx":1787,"utterance_id":1788,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1789,"start_s":1790,"end_s":1791,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},272,"72352","Because we could reach the conclusion that that triplex had nothing to do with Lula, much less with Petrobras.",1473.64,1482.16,{"idx":1793,"utterance_id":1794,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1795,"start_s":1796,"end_s":1797,"word_count":249,"indexable":179},273,"72353","And that Lula would probably have been elected President in 2018.",1482.76,1486.98,{"idx":1799,"utterance_id":1800,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1801,"start_s":1802,"end_s":1803,"word_count":230,"indexable":179},274,"72354","We're talking about very serious things, we're talking about very deep things.",1487.4,1492.28,{"idx":1805,"utterance_id":1806,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1807,"start_s":1808,"end_s":1809,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},275,"72355","We're talking about a reckoning that could reach the DNA of what Brazil is.",1492.86,1497.66,{"idx":1811,"utterance_id":1812,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1813,"start_s":1814,"end_s":1815,"word_count":317,"indexable":179},276,"72356","Do you think we're already... And what is missing for us to be in a situation to lay all the cards on the table?",1497.7,1508.14,{"idx":1817,"utterance_id":1818,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1819,"start_s":1820,"end_s":1821,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},277,"72357","And how will that unfold?",1509.04,1510.68,{"idx":1823,"utterance_id":1824,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1825,"start_s":1826,"end_s":1827,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},278,"72358","It'll happen.",1511.34,1511.82,{"idx":1829,"utterance_id":1830,"speaker_name":176,"text":1831,"start_s":1832,"end_s":1833,"word_count":193,"indexable":179},279,"72359","Do you think there's any moment when it's not important to lay all the cards on the table?",1512.24,1516.84,{"idx":1835,"utterance_id":1836,"speaker_name":176,"text":1837,"start_s":1838,"end_s":1839,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},280,"72360","Do you think there's a moment of immaturity when a lie should be tolerated?",1516.88,1524.56,{"idx":1841,"utterance_id":1842,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1843,"start_s":1844,"end_s":1845,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},281,"72361","No, I don't.",1524.84,1525.38,{"idx":1847,"utterance_id":1848,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1849,"start_s":1850,"end_s":1851,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},282,"72362","I'm concerned; I'm putting myself in the shoes of the person you're communicating with.",1525.62,1532.54,{"idx":1853,"utterance_id":1854,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1855,"start_s":1856,"end_s":1857,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},283,"72363","I was watching a recent Mano Brown concert where he says, 'I'm playing a show in Curitiba.'",1533.46,1539.74,{"idx":1859,"utterance_id":1860,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1861,"start_s":1862,"end_s":1863,"word_count":213,"indexable":179},284,"72364","Then they start insulting Bolsonaro.",1540.86,1542.62,{"idx":1865,"utterance_id":1866,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1867,"start_s":1868,"end_s":1869,"word_count":249,"indexable":179},285,"72365","Then he says, 'I'm in Curitiba — didn't anyone here vote for Bolsonaro?'",1543.7,1546.78,{"idx":1871,"utterance_id":1872,"speaker_name":176,"text":1873,"start_s":1874,"end_s":1875,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},286,"72366","Nobody voted?",1548.48,1549.08,{"idx":1877,"utterance_id":1878,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1879,"start_s":1880,"end_s":1881,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},287,"72367","Didn't anyone come out in favor of the judge who convicted Lula?",1550.18,1554.2,{"idx":1883,"utterance_id":1884,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1885,"start_s":1886,"end_s":1887,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},288,"72368","Am I crazy here? I mean, I'm in Curitiba.",1554.34,1557.24,{"idx":1889,"utterance_id":1890,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1891,"start_s":1892,"end_s":1893,"word_count":60,"indexable":179},289,"72369","I think the message he wanted to convey, always in his own way, was, let's sit down here and be open.",1558.44,1567.02,{"idx":1895,"utterance_id":1896,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1897,"start_s":1898,"end_s":1899,"word_count":9,"indexable":179},290,"72370","So, obviously the effort you're making, that I'm making, that probably Mano Brown is making in this example I'm giving,",1567.6,1573.06,{"idx":1901,"utterance_id":1902,"speaker_name":176,"text":1903,"start_s":1904,"end_s":1905,"word_count":188,"indexable":179},291,"72371","is to draw",1573.74,1574.3,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1907,"speaker_name":176,"text":1908,"start_s":1909,"end_s":1910,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},"72372","the attention of",1574.34,1574.92,{"idx":1912,"utterance_id":1913,"speaker_name":176,"text":1914,"start_s":1915,"end_s":1916,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},293,"72373","people to say, look, this",1575,1577.74,{"idx":1918,"utterance_id":1919,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1920,"start_s":1921,"end_s":1922,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},294,"72374","process that began in an absolutely irrational way needs to be put on the brakes to fix the country.",1577.82,1584.58,{"idx":1924,"utterance_id":1925,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1926,"start_s":1927,"end_s":1928,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},295,"72375","And so I ask you about that.",1585.66,1587.7,{"idx":1930,"utterance_id":1931,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1932,"start_s":1933,"end_s":1934,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},296,"72376","The environment — not what you and I think, the environment — is it evolving in that direction?",1588.12,1596.08,{"idx":1936,"utterance_id":1937,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1938,"start_s":1939,"end_s":1940,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},297,"72377","When you publish your pieces in Folha, are the comments already changing a bit?",1596.96,1602.12,{"idx":1942,"utterance_id":1943,"speaker_name":176,"text":1944,"start_s":1945,"end_s":1946,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},298,"72378","Are they the same, the same back-and-forth from two, three years ago?",1604.06,1608.74,{"idx":1948,"utterance_id":1949,"speaker_name":176,"text":1950,"start_s":1951,"end_s":1952,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},299,"72379","I think it's getting better.",1608.82,1610,{"idx":1954,"utterance_id":1955,"speaker_name":176,"text":1950,"start_s":1956,"end_s":1957,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},300,"72380",1610.4,1611.16,{"idx":1959,"utterance_id":1960,"speaker_name":176,"text":1961,"start_s":1962,"end_s":1963,"word_count":171,"indexable":179},301,"72381","I think the 30% hydrophobes will become ever more hydrophobic, but I think outside those 30% there's 70% who... Everyone's lost, everyone's looking at each other, but I think it's getting better.",1611.22,1626.5,{"idx":1965,"utterance_id":1966,"speaker_name":176,"text":1967,"start_s":1968,"end_s":1969,"word_count":301,"indexable":179},302,"72382","I have much more access today to people who were, let's say, my political opponents five years ago than I used to.",1626.6,1636.64,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1971,"speaker_name":176,"text":1972,"start_s":1973,"end_s":1974,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},"72383","I have more dialogue, I have more dialogue.",1637.2,1639.1,{"idx":1976,"utterance_id":1977,"speaker_name":176,"text":1978,"start_s":1979,"end_s":1980,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},304,"72384","I have more dialogue with people.",1639.32,1640.52,{"idx":1982,"utterance_id":1983,"speaker_name":176,"text":1984,"start_s":1985,"end_s":1986,"word_count":295,"indexable":179},305,"72385","It seems bizarre to think today that I was at PUC when the guys put up a banner saying 'FHC 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hope.",1662.54,1668.74,{"idx":2018,"utterance_id":2019,"speaker_name":176,"text":2020,"start_s":2021,"end_s":2022,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},311,"72391","I would say, look, the guys are there, civilized, talking, communicating.",1668.8,1673.52,{"idx":2024,"utterance_id":2025,"speaker_name":176,"text":2026,"start_s":2027,"end_s":2028,"word_count":333,"indexable":179},312,"72392","I saw the possibility of a union that I waited for in the elections as well, which never happened and which I think now has to happen.",1673.94,1683.36,{"idx":2030,"utterance_id":2031,"speaker_name":176,"text":2032,"start_s":2033,"end_s":2034,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},313,"72393","I don't know if it will happen.",1683.6,1684.54,{"idx":2036,"utterance_id":2037,"speaker_name":176,"text":2038,"start_s":2039,"end_s":2040,"word_count":213,"indexable":179},314,"72394","I don't know, but it has to happen.",1685.16,1686.42,{"idx":2042,"utterance_id":2043,"speaker_name":176,"text":2044,"start_s":2045,"end_s":2046,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},315,"72395","Because if it doesn't happen, there's no way.",1686.46,1687.84,{"idx":2048,"utterance_id":2049,"speaker_name":176,"text":2050,"start_s":2051,"end_s":2052,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},316,"72396","If it doesn't happen, the country really is finished.",1688.42,1690.08,{"idx":2054,"utterance_id":2055,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2056,"start_s":2057,"end_s":2058,"word_count":225,"indexable":179},317,"72397","You, in 2014, predicted the 2018 scenario.",1690.4,1692.52,{"idx":2060,"utterance_id":2061,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2062,"start_s":2063,"end_s":2064,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},318,"72398","Can you predict the 2022 scenario?",1692.72,1695.9,{"idx":2066,"utterance_id":2067,"speaker_name":176,"text":2068,"start_s":2069,"end_s":2070,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},319,"72399","No, I didn't predict it either.",1696.04,1697.26,{"idx":2072,"utterance_id":2073,"speaker_name":176,"text":2074,"start_s":2075,"end_s":2076,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},320,"72400","But you wrote an almost premonitory article.",1699.38,1702.12,{"idx":2078,"utterance_id":2079,"speaker_name":176,"text":2080,"start_s":2081,"end_s":2082,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},321,"72401","Yes, but it's because that was happening.",1702.24,1705.12,{"idx":2084,"utterance_id":2085,"speaker_name":176,"text":2086,"start_s":2087,"end_s":2088,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},322,"72402","There is no prediction, because the cards are on the table.",1707.26,1710.82,{"idx":2090,"utterance_id":2091,"speaker_name":176,"text":2092,"start_s":2093,"end_s":2094,"word_count":225,"indexable":179},323,"72403","We don't know what will happen.",1711.16,1712.5,{"idx":2096,"utterance_id":2097,"speaker_name":176,"text":2098,"start_s":2099,"end_s":2100,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},324,"72404","It seems to me that Bolsonaro's greatest 'quality' — and when I say quality I don't mean it as a virtue — his biggest trait seems to me to be stupidity.",1713.34,1724.6,{"idx":2102,"utterance_id":2103,"speaker_name":176,"text":2104,"start_s":2105,"end_s":2106,"word_count":230,"indexable":179},325,"72405","I think it's stupidity above all, stupidity above everyone.",1726.38,1729.88,{"idx":2108,"utterance_id":2109,"speaker_name":176,"text":2110,"start_s":2111,"end_s":2112,"word_count":317,"indexable":179},326,"72406","Maybe that doesn't help the country, because although he won the elections, he has no strategy; I don't believe it's a strategy.",1731.28,1743.52,{"idx":2114,"utterance_id":2115,"speaker_name":176,"text":2116,"start_s":2117,"end_s":2118,"word_count":225,"indexable":179},327,"72407","Calling the French president's wife ugly.",1743.8,1745.64,{"idx":2120,"utterance_id":2121,"speaker_name":176,"text":2122,"start_s":2123,"end_s":2124,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},328,"72408","Because the... there's no flight plan.",1746.38,1748.82,{"idx":2126,"utterance_id":2127,"speaker_name":176,"text":2128,"start_s":2129,"end_s":2130,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},329,"72409","There's no flight plan.",1748.86,1749.6,{"idx":2132,"utterance_id":2133,"speaker_name":176,"text":2134,"start_s":2135,"end_s":2136,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},330,"72410","There is a flight plan.",1750.2,1750.8,{"idx":2138,"utterance_id":2139,"speaker_name":176,"text":2140,"start_s":2141,"end_s":2142,"word_count":272,"indexable":179},331,"72411","It's the flight plan of a silly little sparrow that's banging against the windows, banging against the windows.",1751.48,1755.28,{"idx":2144,"utterance_id":2145,"speaker_name":176,"text":2146,"start_s":2147,"end_s":2148,"word_count":4,"indexable":179},332,"72412","At some point it seems to me that this sparrow will crash hard.",1755.32,1757.72,{"idx":2150,"utterance_id":2151,"speaker_name":176,"text":2152,"start_s":2153,"end_s":2154,"word_count":249,"indexable":179},333,"72413","Now, when this sparrow crashes hard, there has to be a good alternative.",1758.5,1764.34,{"idx":2156,"utterance_id":2157,"speaker_name":176,"text":2158,"start_s":2159,"end_s":2160,"word_count":243,"indexable":179},334,"72414","And I think that's our role: to create an alternative.",1764.74,1767.14,{"idx":2162,"utterance_id":2163,"speaker_name":176,"text":2164,"start_s":2165,"end_s":2166,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},335,"72415","What do we offer the Brazilian people?",1767.66,1770.3,{"idx":2168,"utterance_id":2169,"speaker_name":176,"text":2170,"start_s":2171,"end_s":2172,"word_count":219,"indexable":179},336,"72416","What do we offer the country?",1772.44,1773.34,{"idx":2174,"utterance_id":2175,"speaker_name":176,"text":2176,"start_s":2177,"end_s":2178,"word_count":186,"indexable":179},337,"72417","What can we do to bring 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I think it's these folks who must be heard, because that's where the regenerative energy will come from.",1895.4,1909.96,{"idx":2282,"utterance_id":2283,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2284,"start_s":2285,"end_s":2286,"word_count":249,"indexable":179},355,"72435","I don't believe in the end of history; I don't believe in any of that.",1911.38,1914.96,{"idx":2288,"utterance_id":2289,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2290,"start_s":2291,"end_s":2292,"word_count":232,"indexable":179},356,"72436","I believe in regenerative forces, because life regenerates.",1915.3,1918.4,{"idx":2294,"utterance_id":2295,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2296,"start_s":2297,"end_s":2298,"word_count":49,"indexable":179},357,"72437","And I have great faith that the work done to expand opportunity, especially in higher education, will generate a new dynamic.",1919.6,1928.66,{"idx":2300,"utterance_id":2301,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2302,"start_s":2303,"end_s":2304,"word_count":200,"indexable":179},358,"72438","So, I have a lot of faith.",1929.58,1932,{"idx":2306,"utterance_id":2307,"speaker_name":176,"text":2308,"start_s":2309,"end_s":2310,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},359,"72439","Thank you, Fernando Haddad.",1933.2,1934.28,{"idx":2312,"utterance_id":2313,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2314,"start_s":2315,"end_s":2316,"word_count":195,"indexable":179},360,"72440","Thank you, Antônio Prata.",1934.68,1935.82,{"idx":2318,"utterance_id":2319,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2320,"start_s":2321,"end_s":2322,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},361,"72441","A pleasure talking to you.",1936.4,1937.46,{"idx":2324,"utterance_id":2325,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":2326,"start_s":2327,"end_s":2328,"word_count":266,"indexable":179},362,"72442","Thank you for making our weeks lighter with your writing.",1938.26,1942.32,{"idx":2330,"utterance_id":2331,"speaker_name":176,"text":2332,"start_s":2333,"end_s":2334,"word_count":206,"indexable":179},363,"72443","Thank you very much, it was a pleasure.",1942.74,1944.2,{"idx":2336,"utterance_id":2337,"speaker_name":176,"text":2338,"start_s":2339,"end_s":2340,"word_count":333,"indexable":179},364,"72444","I hope I come back here in a lighter situation and that we can look back and say how good it was that we got out of that hole.",1944.32,1967.32,"en",{"job_id":2343,"title":2344,"source_url":2345,"platform":2346,"content_type":2347,"published_at":2348,"duration_sec":2349,"n_classified":2350,"speakers":2351},"39881161-1e7a-4856-8531-023b1c214e6a","allTV - Painel Haddad (02\u002F09\u002F2019)  - Antônio Prata","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=DYAsSmxUyoc","youtube","video","2019-09-02T23:08:38Z",1967.322313,365,[2352],{"name":107,"slug":106,"n_falas":760},"https:\u002F\u002Fi.ytimg.com\u002Fvi\u002FDYAsSmxUyoc\u002Fhqdefault.jpg"]