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it becomes viable in a scenario in which Jair Bolsonaro, who is ineligible and on the eve of being tried by the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), tries to delay as long as possible the nomination of the person who will have his support.",0.06,13.16,34,false,{"idx":76,"utterance_id":77,"speaker_name":69,"text":78,"start_s":79,"end_s":80,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},1,"206532","Our interviewee today is one of those who have stepped forward to fight for that Bolsonarist vote.",13.86,19.58,17,{"idx":83,"utterance_id":84,"speaker_name":69,"text":85,"start_s":86,"end_s":87,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},2,"206533","In his second term, at the head of the country's second-largest state by number of voters and the third-largest by economy, he governs with 55% approval and 35% rejection from the population, according to the latest Quest poll, released last 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moment?",1118.06,1120.92,{"idx":1034,"utterance_id":1035,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1036,"start_s":1037,"end_s":1038,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},163,"206694","Edilene, I'm not someone who picks fights.",1122.08,1125.84,{"idx":1040,"utterance_id":1041,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1042,"start_s":1043,"end_s":1044,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},164,"206695","Those of you who have followed me in Minas for a long time, and Ricardo who is here with us, know my stance very well.",1126.5,1134.44,{"idx":1046,"utterance_id":1047,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1048,"start_s":1049,"end_s":1050,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},165,"206696","So, those of us on the right are well aware that this... was done at a moment when the pressure is very great, that the father is being tried, that there is a difficult outlook for the family 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moment and are greatly afflicted.",1171.86,1183.5,{"idx":1076,"utterance_id":1077,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1078,"start_s":1079,"end_s":1080,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},170,"206701","So, I think all of us on the right share this view.",1183.98,1189.06,{"idx":1082,"utterance_id":1083,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1084,"start_s":1085,"end_s":1086,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},171,"206702","It was an unfortunate statement.",1189.46,1191.2,{"idx":1088,"utterance_id":1089,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1090,"start_s":1091,"end_s":1092,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},172,"206703","Unfortunate statements happen.",1191.38,1193.4,{"idx":1094,"utterance_id":1095,"speaker_name":69,"text":1096,"start_s":1097,"end_s":1098,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},173,"206704","Just to pick up on Ricardo's point, amnesty in Brazil is a prerogative of the National 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opened?",1426.52,1430.88,{"idx":1319,"utterance_id":1320,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1321,"start_s":1322,"end_s":1323,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},211,"206742","Everyone's free.",1431.34,1432.48,{"idx":1325,"utterance_id":1326,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1297,"start_s":1327,"end_s":1328,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},212,"206743",1432.78,1433.1,{"idx":1330,"utterance_id":1331,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1332,"start_s":1333,"end_s":1334,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},213,"206744","Because they're from the left.",1433.2,1434.38,{"idx":1336,"utterance_id":1337,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1338,"start_s":1339,"end_s":1340,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},214,"206745","So it seems to me there is a double standard.",1434.68,1438.28,{"idx":1342,"utterance_id":1343,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1344,"start_s":1345,"end_s":1346,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},215,"206746","If we have to arrest anyone here, 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clients.",1535.92,1546.32,{"idx":1413,"utterance_id":1414,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1415,"start_s":1416,"end_s":1417,"word_count":308,"indexable":74},227,"206758","Brazil has a history of maintaining... a neutrality in terms of relations with countries from all regions of the world, which was changed by this government, which got too close to countries that we know to be notoriously dictatorial.",1546.96,1571.2,{"idx":1419,"utterance_id":1420,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1421,"start_s":1422,"end_s":1423,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},228,"206759","And the majority of those countries in the BRICS are far from being democracies.",1571.76,1578.04,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1425,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1426,"start_s":1427,"end_s":1428,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},"206760","That's one of the 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too?",1592.78,1594.56,{"idx":1454,"utterance_id":1455,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1456,"start_s":1457,"end_s":1458,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},234,"206765","Accuse someone here of being anti-democratic, then you get on a plane and only meet with dictators abroad.",1595.5,1602.22,{"idx":1460,"utterance_id":1461,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1462,"start_s":1463,"end_s":1464,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},235,"206766","Let's be consistent.",1602.82,1603.9,{"idx":1466,"utterance_id":1467,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1468,"start_s":1469,"end_s":1470,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},236,"206767","That's the 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homicide rate by more than 99%.",1679.54,1689.46,{"idx":1537,"utterance_id":1538,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1539,"start_s":1540,"end_s":1541,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},248,"206779","And as I was saying now... But there was a cost in terms of respect for human rights, for example, right?",1690.74,1696.04,{"idx":1543,"utterance_id":1544,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1545,"start_s":1546,"end_s":1547,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},249,"206780","I went into communities, spoke with housewives, spoke with merchants, spoke with students, and they said:",1697.06,1707.6,{"idx":1549,"utterance_id":1550,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1551,"start_s":1552,"end_s":1553,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},250,"206781","My life here has improved a lot.",1708.44,1710.68,{"idx":1555,"utterance_id":1556,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1557,"start_s":1558,"end_s":1559,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},251,"206782","And there's a figure that I think demonstrates this.",1711.34,1713.9,{"idx":1561,"utterance_id":1562,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1563,"start_s":1559,"end_s":1564,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},252,"206783","300,000 Salvadorans, Fábio.",1717.68,{"idx":1566,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},253,"206784","who were living abroad returned to the country.",1718.28,1721.12,{"idx":1572,"utterance_id":1573,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1574,"start_s":1575,"end_s":1576,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},254,"206785","Did things there get worse or better?",1721.7,1724.16,{"idx":1578,"utterance_id":1579,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1580,"start_s":1581,"end_s":1582,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},255,"206786","Here in Brazil, it seems to me we have 5 million Brazilians living abroad and people leaving every day.",1724.8,1731.66,{"idx":1584,"utterance_id":1585,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1586,"start_s":1587,"end_s":1588,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},256,"206787","I think this indicator needs to be considered.",1732.26,1734.84,{"idx":1590,"utterance_id":1591,"speaker_name":69,"text":1592,"start_s":1593,"end_s":1594,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},257,"206788","But do you think that being in a bloc for strategic reasons means politically endorsing everything that the bloc's countries advocate?",1734.94,1746.32,{"idx":1596,"utterance_id":1597,"speaker_name":69,"text":1598,"start_s":1599,"end_s":1600,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},258,"206789","Because otherwise... few blocs would survive.",1746.38,1750.52,{"idx":1602,"utterance_id":1603,"speaker_name":69,"text":1604,"start_s":1605,"end_s":1606,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},259,"206790","You yourself said, 'I went there to look only at security, I didn't endorse the rest.'",1750.8,1754.94,{"idx":1608,"utterance_id":1609,"speaker_name":69,"text":1610,"start_s":1611,"end_s":1612,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},260,"206791","Don't you think that BRICS can have a strategic role without needing to endorse the regimes of those countries?",1755.14,1761.44,{"idx":1614,"utterance_id":1615,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1616,"start_s":1617,"end_s":1618,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},261,"206792","But what has BRICS turned into?",1761.66,1763.96,{"idx":1620,"utterance_id":1621,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1622,"start_s":1623,"end_s":1624,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},262,"206793","It has become a bloc that seems to exist only, or primarily has the function of questioning mainly... North America, the dollar, Europe, etc.",1764.28,1778.58,{"idx":1626,"utterance_id":1627,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1628,"start_s":1629,"end_s":1630,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},263,"206794","They are countries that have very little to do with our Christian culture, with our European culture, unlike Europe and the Americas here.",1779.74,1792.48,{"idx":1632,"utterance_id":1633,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1634,"start_s":1635,"end_s":1636,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},264,"206795","That doesn't mean we shouldn't maintain commercial contact.",1793.26,1797.54,{"idx":1638,"utterance_id":1639,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1640,"start_s":1641,"end_s":1642,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},265,"206796","In the past it was like that; before the BRICS, Brazil got along well with the whole world.",1797.6,1802.88,{"idx":1644,"utterance_id":1645,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1646,"start_s":1647,"end_s":1648,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},266,"206797","And now it has clearly adopted an anti-American discourse.",1803.4,1807.12,{"idx":1650,"utterance_id":1651,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1652,"start_s":1653,"end_s":1654,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},267,"206798","This is very clear at BRICS events; it always comes up, mainly led by our president.",1807.7,1816.06,{"idx":1656,"utterance_id":1657,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1658,"start_s":1659,"end_s":1660,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},268,"206799","And hence the tariff issue.",1816.46,1818.32,{"idx":1662,"utterance_id":1663,"speaker_name":69,"text":1664,"start_s":1665,"end_s":1666,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},269,"206800","Governor, you said you will not go to the COP, which is the United Nations' Conference on climate change.",1818.6,1824.16,{"idx":1668,"utterance_id":1669,"speaker_name":69,"text":1670,"start_s":1671,"end_s":1672,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},270,"206801","I'd like you to say a little about that, but regarding the blocs, you already said you would leave BRICS if you were President of the Republic.",1824.2,1830.5,{"idx":1674,"utterance_id":1675,"speaker_name":69,"text":1676,"start_s":1677,"end_s":1678,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},271,"206802","Would you also leave other blocs, such as the G20, Mercosul?",1830.78,1834.2,{"idx":1680,"utterance_id":1681,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1682,"start_s":1683,"end_s":1684,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},272,"206803","No.",1835.3,1835.54,{"idx":1686,"utterance_id":1687,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1688,"start_s":1689,"end_s":1690,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},273,"206804","I think that's a matter of affinity.",1836.28,1840.2,{"idx":1692,"utterance_id":1693,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1694,"start_s":1695,"end_s":1696,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},274,"206805","We need to improve Edilene.",1840.92,1843.4,{"idx":1698,"utterance_id":1699,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1700,"start_s":1701,"end_s":1702,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},275,"206806","Mercosul is practically inoperative.",1843.92,1847.88,{"idx":1704,"utterance_id":1705,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1706,"start_s":1707,"end_s":1708,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},276,"206807","We have extremely important trading partners here in the Southern Cone, with whom we could be having a much greater commercial relationship, an opening of borders, as Europe advanced a great deal and little was done here.",1848.7,1865.46,{"idx":1710,"utterance_id":1711,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1712,"start_s":1713,"end_s":1714,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},277,"206808","That makes sense.",1865.76,1866.9,{"idx":1716,"utterance_id":1717,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1718,"start_s":1719,"end_s":1720,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},278,"206809","It would be good for Brazil, for Argentina, for Uruguay, for Chile, for several countries that share views with us.",1867.46,1875.58,{"idx":1722,"utterance_id":1723,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1724,"start_s":1725,"end_s":1726,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},279,"206810","a series of historical issues, etc.",1875.98,1879.04,{"idx":1728,"utterance_id":1729,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1730,"start_s":1731,"end_s":1732,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},280,"206811","So, I see that we should be closer to what makes geographic sense.",1879.9,1887.22,{"idx":1734,"utterance_id":1735,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1736,"start_s":1737,"end_s":1738,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},281,"206812","Now, we will choose countries, whether we like it or not, that are on the other side of the world.",1887.92,1892.62,{"idx":1740,"utterance_id":1741,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1742,"start_s":1743,"end_s":1744,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},282,"206813","It's not impossible to send cargo from there to here and receive it, as already happens.",1892.72,1897.18,{"idx":1746,"utterance_id":1747,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1748,"start_s":1749,"end_s":1750,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},283,"206814","But, primarily... we should give our attention here.",1897.64,1902.28,{"idx":1752,"utterance_id":1753,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1754,"start_s":1755,"end_s":1756,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},284,"206815","What are you going to answer?",1902.34,1902.98,{"idx":287,"utterance_id":1758,"speaker_name":69,"text":1759,"start_s":1760,"end_s":1761,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},"206816","Go ahead, Ricardo, wait just a minute, Edilene.",1903,1905.28,{"idx":1763,"utterance_id":1764,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1765,"start_s":1766,"end_s":1767,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},286,"206817","Your party has defended since its founding the idea of a more open economy, that the private sector participate more in the economy.",1905.42,1914.06,{"idx":1769,"utterance_id":1770,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1771,"start_s":1772,"end_s":1773,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},287,"206818","This is a stance you've always taken.",1914.7,1917.02,{"idx":1775,"utterance_id":1776,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1777,"start_s":1778,"end_s":1779,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},288,"206819","However, when we look at you and the other right-wing candidates for the presidency, Ratinho Júnior managed to privatize Coppel, will hold the auction of Celepar now in November.",1917.58,1927.7,{"idx":1781,"utterance_id":1782,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1783,"start_s":1784,"end_s":1785,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},289,"206820","He made a public-private partnership at Sanepar.",1928.28,1930.5,{"idx":1787,"utterance_id":1788,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1789,"start_s":1790,"end_s":1791,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},290,"206821","Eduardo Leite sold Corsã, Tarcísio privatized Sabesp, Caiado made the sale of Celg Transmissão.",1931.34,1936.92,{"idx":1793,"utterance_id":1794,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1795,"start_s":1796,"end_s":1797,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},291,"206822","And you were unable to make the sale of Semig and Copasa, which was your wish.",1936.94,1942.88,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},"206823","What happened that you couldn't, and why would it be different as President of the Republic?",1943.18,1947.98,{"idx":1804,"utterance_id":1805,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1806,"start_s":1807,"end_s":1808,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},293,"206824","Well, Ricardo, unlike them, I'm from outside politics.",1948.94,1955.08,{"idx":1810,"utterance_id":1811,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1812,"start_s":1813,"end_s":1814,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},294,"206825","And it seems to me that I end up bothering the political establishment more than they do.",1956.12,1962.22,{"idx":1816,"utterance_id":1817,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1818,"start_s":1819,"end_s":1820,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},295,"206826","I was elected in the first round in 2018 without any mayor supporting me.",1963.08,1968.68,{"idx":1822,"utterance_id":1823,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1824,"start_s":1825,"end_s":1826,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},296,"206827","In the second round we already had some.",1969.34,1971.18,{"idx":1828,"utterance_id":1829,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1830,"start_s":1831,"end_s":1832,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},297,"206828","So it seems that this fact of someone who is not from politics entering politics causes a great unease.",1971.84,1979.64,{"idx":1834,"utterance_id":1835,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1836,"start_s":1837,"end_s":1838,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},298,"206829","I still perceive this; it has already decreased over time.",1980.06,1983.04,{"idx":1840,"utterance_id":1841,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1842,"start_s":1843,"end_s":1844,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},299,"206830","So, in my first term, we had difficulty with the Legislative Assembly, which is overcome in this second term.",1983.54,1995.34,{"idx":1846,"utterance_id":1847,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1848,"start_s":1849,"end_s":1850,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},300,"206831","But I want to stress here that there never was, Ricardo, a government in Minas Gerais that sold as many shareholdings as we sold.",1995.9,2007.56,{"idx":1852,"utterance_id":1853,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1854,"start_s":1855,"end_s":1856,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},301,"206832","Light, Renova, Belo Monte, Santo Antônio.",2008.26,2013.04,{"idx":1858,"utterance_id":1859,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1860,"start_s":1861,"end_s":1862,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},302,"206833","Elibras, Companhia Brasileira de Lítio, and I can send you a list of more than 100 companies that we sold, where the State had a stake that did not depend on legislative authorization.",2013.42,2029.34,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1864,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1865,"start_s":1866,"end_s":1867,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},"206834","And those who followed that first term of mine know that we even faced totally unfounded CPIs, the CEMIG 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governor?",2063.28,2064.8,{"idx":1893,"utterance_id":1894,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1895,"start_s":1896,"end_s":1897,"word_count":354,"indexable":74},308,"206839","So, Vera, I think that there in Minas we have, on the part of the political class, an attachment, I think of many of them — I'm not going to say of all, generalization is very dangerous — but of many, to these companies that have always served to meet electoral interests.",2064.92,2088.28,{"idx":1899,"utterance_id":1900,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1901,"start_s":1902,"end_s":1903,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},309,"206840","I want to give you an example here.",2089.28,2091,{"idx":1905,"utterance_id":1906,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1907,"start_s":1908,"end_s":1909,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},310,"206841","I spoke here about photovoltaic energy, which under our government went from 500 megawatts to 13 gigawatts.",2091.82,2098.02,{"idx":1911,"utterance_id":1912,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1913,"start_s":1914,"end_s":1915,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},311,"206842","The main reason we were able to attract that amount of money, 80 billion, just in solar energy, was very simple.",2098.74,2109.16,{"idx":1917,"utterance_id":1918,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1919,"start_s":1920,"end_s":1921,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},312,"206843","Before, our power company, CEMIG, only granted authorization to those who were the king's friends.",2109.62,2118.14,{"idx":1923,"utterance_id":1924,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1925,"start_s":1926,"end_s":1927,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},313,"206844","And that friend of the king, instead of making the investment, would go and trade that authorization on the market.",2119.2,2127.84,{"idx":1929,"utterance_id":1930,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1931,"start_s":1932,"end_s":1933,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},314,"206845","He would sell the authorization for 5 million, not invest, and pocket that amount.",2128.24,2134.46,{"idx":1935,"utterance_id":1936,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1937,"start_s":1938,"end_s":1939,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},315,"206846","When I took office, the first thing I asked the new CEO of Semig was: I want... on the internet, a map of Minas showing all the places where it is possible to make a connection to build a photovoltaic power plant.",2134.98,2152.92,{"idx":1941,"utterance_id":1942,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1943,"start_s":1944,"end_s":1945,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},316,"206847","And the investments came.",2153.04,2154.9,{"idx":1947,"utterance_id":1948,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1949,"start_s":1950,"end_s":1951,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},317,"206848","And then there was no longer any need for some politician to be intermediating and taking advantage.",2155.4,2161.1,{"idx":1953,"utterance_id":1954,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1955,"start_s":1956,"end_s":1957,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},318,"206849","Now I am very confident with the Propag, most likely.",2161.54,2165.88,{"idx":1959,"utterance_id":1960,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1961,"start_s":1962,"end_s":1963,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},319,"206850","we will be moving forward with these privatizations.",2166.32,2170.06,{"idx":1965,"utterance_id":1966,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1967,"start_s":1968,"end_s":1969,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},320,"206851","So what wasn't done will very likely still get done.",2170.14,2174.64,{"idx":1971,"utterance_id":1972,"speaker_name":69,"text":1973,"start_s":1974,"end_s":1975,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},321,"206852","Sibeli, then Berta.",2174.88,2176.14,{"idx":1977,"utterance_id":1978,"speaker_name":69,"text":1979,"start_s":1980,"end_s":1981,"word_count":308,"indexable":74},322,"206853","Governor, you recently stated that, if the federal government has no interest in federalizing CEMIG, you could take CEMIG to auction to pay part of the debt, to reduce a portion of the debt to fit within Propag.",2177.12,2194.96,{"idx":1983,"utterance_id":1984,"speaker_name":69,"text":1985,"start_s":1986,"end_s":1987,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},323,"206854","And then I wanted to know, are you already factoring in the possibility that the Assembly will not approve the legislation that would be necessary to transform CEMIG into a corporation and go straight to auction?",2195.72,2207.96,{"idx":1989,"utterance_id":1990,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1991,"start_s":1992,"end_s":1993,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},324,"206855","Sibeli, CEMIG, regardless of the path—whether federalization or auction—needs to first be transformed into a corporation.",2209.76,2222.96,{"idx":1995,"utterance_id":1996,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1997,"start_s":1998,"end_s":1999,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},325,"206856","Because otherwise anyone who comes to acquire the shares that the State holds could be penalized by the tag-along mechanism.",2223.78,2234.5,{"idx":2001,"utterance_id":2002,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2003,"start_s":2004,"end_s":2005,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},326,"206857","So, becoming a corporation is a step that will be taken before any other.",2235.26,2241.6,{"idx":2007,"utterance_id":2008,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2009,"start_s":2010,"end_s":2011,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},327,"206858","There is no way it can be otherwise.",2242.14,2243.72,{"idx":2013,"utterance_id":2014,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2015,"start_s":2016,"end_s":2017,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},328,"206859","And with that step taken... it doesn't mean it will be federalized or sold.",2244.34,2249.02,{"idx":2019,"utterance_id":2020,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2021,"start_s":2022,"end_s":2023,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},329,"206860","The State can continue holding 17% of the company, receiving the dividends from a company that will be much better managed, because governance changes.",2249.48,2262.74,{"idx":2025,"utterance_id":2026,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2027,"start_s":2028,"end_s":2029,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},330,"206861","You no longer have to submit to the bidding law, which is a shackle.",2263.22,2269.16,{"idx":2031,"utterance_id":2032,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2033,"start_s":2034,"end_s":2035,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},331,"206862","in the hands of the manager.",2269.54,2270.68,{"idx":2037,"utterance_id":2038,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2039,"start_s":2040,"end_s":2041,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},332,"206863","What CEMIG's competitors decide to buy today, CEMIG takes at least 90 days to be able to buy, due to all the bureaucratic process that is required.",2271.14,2283.98,{"idx":2043,"utterance_id":2044,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2045,"start_s":2046,"end_s":2047,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},333,"206864","So things will move in that direction.",2284.56,2288.34,{"idx":2049,"utterance_id":2050,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2051,"start_s":2052,"end_s":2053,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},334,"206865","If it becomes a corporation, without the State selling anything, the people of Minas are already winning a lot.",2289,2296.04,{"idx":2055,"utterance_id":2056,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2057,"start_s":2058,"end_s":2059,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},335,"206866","Because it will come to have, indeed, Sibeli, a viable company.",2296.28,2299.98,{"idx":2061,"utterance_id":2062,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2063,"start_s":2064,"end_s":2065,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},336,"206867","I don't know if you've been following, there is a law that says state-owned energy companies... that are not privatized or transformed into corporations in the next five years will lose their concessions.",2300.58,2320.14,{"idx":2067,"utterance_id":2068,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2069,"start_s":2070,"end_s":2071,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},337,"206868","I have, in fact, already asked my communications team: I want to go to the Assembly, I want to give a statement that if we don't move forward with this change, in ten years Semig will be worth something close to zero.",2321.14,2336.02,{"idx":2073,"utterance_id":2074,"speaker_name":69,"text":2075,"start_s":2076,"end_s":2077,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},338,"206869","Go ahead, Berta.",2336.38,2337.08,{"idx":2079,"utterance_id":2080,"speaker_name":69,"text":2081,"start_s":2082,"end_s":2083,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},339,"206870","Governor, I wanted to talk about public security.",2337.82,2340.92,{"idx":2085,"utterance_id":2086,"speaker_name":69,"text":2087,"start_s":2088,"end_s":2089,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},340,"206871","The data come from the Brazilian Forum on Public Security.",2342.36,2345.58,{"idx":2091,"utterance_id":2092,"speaker_name":69,"text":2093,"start_s":2094,"end_s":2095,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},341,"206872","Between 2020 and 2024, intentional homicides in Minas increased by 18%... a trend opposite to what happened in Brazil as a whole, where there was a 16.5% reduction in intentional homicides.",2345.76,2364.84,{"idx":2097,"utterance_id":2098,"speaker_name":69,"text":2099,"start_s":2100,"end_s":2101,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},342,"206873","At the same time, in Minas, we also had, between 2023 and 2024, a 46% increase in police lethality.",2365.24,2374.24,{"idx":2103,"utterance_id":2104,"speaker_name":69,"text":2105,"start_s":2106,"end_s":2107,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},343,"206874","And crimes against property.",2377.06,2379.14,{"idx":2109,"utterance_id":2110,"speaker_name":69,"text":2111,"start_s":2112,"end_s":2113,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},344,"206875","which in Brazil fell by 15% between 2023 and 2024; in Minas they fell by only 6%.",2379.7,2388.26,{"idx":2115,"utterance_id":2116,"speaker_name":69,"text":2117,"start_s":2118,"end_s":2119,"word_count":372,"indexable":74},345,"206876","And there is a criticism, Governor, that the Public Security Commission levels at you in the Legislative Assembly regarding the manpower of the Military Police, Civil Police, and Fire Department, because during your... your administration from 2019 to 2024, that manpower fell from 62,904 to, currently, 59,681.",2390.42,2417.02,{"idx":2121,"utterance_id":2122,"speaker_name":69,"text":2123,"start_s":2124,"end_s":2125,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},346,"206877","At the same time, the State's investments in public security during that period are always much smaller than the total of parliamentary amendments, transfers, investments from the Union and other sources.",2420.62,2436.52,{"idx":2127,"utterance_id":2128,"speaker_name":69,"text":2129,"start_s":2130,"end_s":2131,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},347,"206878","So, there is a criticism; I would like to ask how you would respond to your critics who say that Minas Gerais does not have a public security policy?",2437.12,2447.28,{"idx":2133,"utterance_id":2134,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2135,"start_s":2136,"end_s":2137,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},348,"206879","Well, Berta, I think we have to consider a number of issues in everything you said, which are a series of numbers, statistics.",2448.62,2460.74,{"idx":2139,"utterance_id":2140,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2141,"start_s":2142,"end_s":2143,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},349,"206880","As manager of the State, governor, I like to look at the numbers in the long term and at the trend.",2462.34,2471.58,{"idx":2145,"utterance_id":2146,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2147,"start_s":2148,"end_s":2149,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},350,"206881","If someone, seven years ago when I was elected, weighed 300 kilos and today weighs 100 kilos, I think that person has achieved considerable progress.",2472.74,2488.04,{"idx":2151,"utterance_id":2152,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2153,"start_s":2154,"end_s":2155,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},351,"206882","If along that course, in a given week, they gained half a kilo or a kilo, I think that doesn't take away from the merit of the progress they made.",2488.84,2500.58,{"idx":2157,"utterance_id":2158,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2159,"start_s":2160,"end_s":2161,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},352,"206883","So you always picked periods in which there was a spike.",2501.42,2505.88,{"idx":2163,"utterance_id":2164,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2165,"start_s":2166,"end_s":2167,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},353,"206884","This is normal in any statistics of someone who is losing weight, in public security.",2506.12,2512.76,{"idx":2169,"utterance_id":2170,"speaker_name":69,"text":2171,"start_s":2172,"end_s":2173,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},354,"206885","No, but here 2020, 2024, intentional homicides, right?",2512.86,2517.3,{"idx":2175,"utterance_id":2176,"speaker_name":69,"text":2177,"start_s":2178,"end_s":2179,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},355,"206886","It's a period...",2517.64,2518.34,{"idx":2181,"utterance_id":2182,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2183,"start_s":2184,"end_s":2185,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},356,"206887","Yes, but let's take 2018 and 2024 then, which is when I took office, agree?",2518.94,2526.64,{"idx":2187,"utterance_id":2188,"speaker_name":69,"text":2189,"start_s":2190,"end_s":2191,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},357,"206888","And how much was it?",2526.66,2527.28,{"idx":2193,"utterance_id":2194,"speaker_name":69,"text":2195,"start_s":2196,"end_s":2197,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},358,"206889","I don't have the data.",2528.82,2529.76,{"idx":2199,"utterance_id":2200,"speaker_name":69,"text":2201,"start_s":2202,"end_s":2203,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},359,"206890","You took office in 2019.",2529.78,2531.26,{"idx":2205,"utterance_id":2206,"speaker_name":69,"text":2207,"start_s":2208,"end_s":2209,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},360,"206891","Yes, January, January 1, 2019.",2531.38,2533.54,{"idx":2211,"utterance_id":2212,"speaker_name":69,"text":644,"start_s":2213,"end_s":2214,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},361,"206892",2534.38,2535.04,{"idx":2216,"utterance_id":2217,"speaker_name":69,"text":2218,"start_s":2219,"end_s":2220,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},362,"206893","And you're taking a specific data point.",2535.24,2538.82,{"idx":2222,"utterance_id":2223,"speaker_name":69,"text":2224,"start_s":2225,"end_s":2226,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},363,"206894","No, I'm not taking a specific one, it's because the Brazilian Forum on Public Security's latest data is 2024.",2538.86,2544.32,{"idx":2228,"utterance_id":2229,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2230,"start_s":2231,"end_s":2232,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},364,"206895","So I'm giving you data from a more recent period.",2546.22,2549.58,{"idx":2234,"utterance_id":2235,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2236,"start_s":2237,"end_s":2238,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},365,"206896","How many types of crime do we have?",2550.2,2552.64,{"idx":2240,"utterance_id":2241,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2242,"start_s":2238,"end_s":2243,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},366,"206897","200 types?",2555.78,{"idx":2245,"utterance_id":2246,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2247,"start_s":2248,"end_s":2249,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},367,"206898","Are you only taking those two or that one that had...",2555.8,2559.94,{"idx":2251,"utterance_id":2252,"speaker_name":69,"text":2253,"start_s":2254,"end_s":2255,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},368,"206899","No, I'm telling you that, in fact, crimes against property decreased by 6% in Minas, but in Brazil they decreased by 15%.",2559.96,2569.54,{"idx":2257,"utterance_id":2258,"speaker_name":69,"text":2259,"start_s":2260,"end_s":2261,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},369,"206900","So there is a criticism of you in the Public Security Commission because police manpower... in your period fell, your period of government fell from 62,904 to 59,681.",2569.66,2584.78,{"idx":364,"utterance_id":2263,"speaker_name":69,"text":2264,"start_s":2265,"end_s":2266,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},"206901","So there are fewer military police officers, fewer civil police officers, and less manpower in the fire department.",2586.32,2594.66,{"idx":2268,"utterance_id":2269,"speaker_name":69,"text":2270,"start_s":2271,"end_s":2272,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},371,"206902","And the lack of investment, even in some cases, you know... Right, we've already heard the question, governor, how do you respond to that?",2595.08,2603.36,{"idx":2274,"utterance_id":2275,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2276,"start_s":2277,"end_s":2278,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},372,"206903","So let me finish answering here.",2603.38,2605.58,{"idx":2280,"utterance_id":2281,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2282,"start_s":2283,"end_s":2284,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},373,"206904","We had, in all areas of the open security forces, highly qualified people, military personnel, academy graduates, doing extremely simple tasks that a young person who knows how to handle technology well can do.",2606.42,2626.58,{"idx":2286,"utterance_id":2287,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2288,"start_s":2289,"end_s":2290,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},374,"206905","Today we have hundreds, maybe thousands of those young people working in the security area, and they freed those military personnel to do the work for which they were effectively trained.",2627.12,2643.54,{"idx":2292,"utterance_id":2293,"speaker_name":69,"text":2294,"start_s":2295,"end_s":2296,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},375,"206906","But if there was a reduction, governor, in manpower?",2643.82,2646.34,{"idx":2298,"utterance_id":2299,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2300,"start_s":2301,"end_s":2302,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},376,"206907","So what they're saying is the following: the number of military personnel was reduced, but the number of people working in the security forces did not have that reduction.",2646.96,2657.96,{"idx":2304,"utterance_id":2305,"speaker_name":69,"text":2306,"start_s":2307,"end_s":2308,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},377,"206908","Here it's the manpower of the Military Police, Civil Police and Fire Department, and the data are from the Public Security Commission of the 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Everything indicates that this type of biased trial will continue.",2780.12,2787.92,{"idx":2429,"utterance_id":2430,"speaker_name":69,"text":2431,"start_s":2432,"end_s":2433,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},398,"206929","With absolute certainty, it will hardly change in this last week.",2788.58,2794.58,{"idx":2435,"utterance_id":2436,"speaker_name":69,"text":2437,"start_s":2438,"end_s":2439,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},399,"206930","So far it has been like this; for sure it won't be in these last days that there will be a change.",2795.64,2801.32,{"idx":2441,"utterance_id":2442,"speaker_name":69,"text":2443,"start_s":2444,"end_s":2445,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},400,"206931","Rigged, then, sir?",2801.54,2802.84,{"idx":2447,"utterance_id":2448,"speaker_name":69,"text":230,"start_s":2449,"end_s":2450,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},401,"206932",2802.94,2803.08,{"idx":2452,"utterance_id":2453,"speaker_name":69,"text":2454,"start_s":2455,"end_s":2456,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},402,"206933","And he really is the greatest leader of the right.",2803.1,2808.24,{"idx":2458,"utterance_id":2459,"speaker_name":69,"text":2460,"start_s":2461,"end_s":2462,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},403,"206934","Do you think he will continue like that even if imprisoned?",2808.64,2810.42,{"idx":2464,"utterance_id":2465,"speaker_name":69,"text":2466,"start_s":2467,"end_s":2468,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},404,"206935","Absolutely, yes.",2810.58,2812.16,{"idx":2470,"utterance_id":2471,"speaker_name":69,"text":2472,"start_s":2473,"end_s":2474,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},405,"206936","He is the person who rescued the right in Brazil, managed to make this movement grow, and will continue to be a leader, yes.",2812.48,2821.82,{"idx":2476,"utterance_id":2477,"speaker_name":69,"text":2478,"start_s":2479,"end_s":2480,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},406,"206937","I interrupted your answer before you responded to Edilene about the COP, the reason you will not go to the COP.",2822.08,2829.22,{"idx":2482,"utterance_id":2483,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":230,"start_s":2484,"end_s":2485,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},407,"206938",2829.6,2829.76,{"idx":2487,"utterance_id":2488,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2489,"start_s":2490,"end_s":2491,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},408,"206939","Well, it's not 100% decided yet, but I... being a governor who preaches austerity, the last thing I will want is to be paying a per diem of 20, 30 thousand reais.",2831.16,2846.86,{"idx":2493,"utterance_id":2494,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2495,"start_s":2496,"end_s":2497,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},409,"206940","So, if that's the amount, very likely Minas will be represented, Edilene, but I will not go.",2847.7,2856.96,{"idx":2499,"utterance_id":2500,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2501,"start_s":2502,"end_s":2503,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},410,"206941","The COP is important; 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you chose to live in a house that you pay rent for, there in the Pampulha area.",2898.1,2908.74,{"idx":2577,"utterance_id":2578,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2579,"start_s":2580,"end_s":2581,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},423,"206954","If you become President of the Republic, do you intend to repeat that in Brasília, not live in the Palácio da Alvorada, not live in a public building?",2909.24,2917.26,{"idx":2583,"utterance_id":2584,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2585,"start_s":2586,"end_s":2587,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},424,"206955","Ricardo, I don't know the structure there.",2917.34,2919.74,{"idx":2589,"utterance_id":2590,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2591,"start_s":2592,"end_s":2593,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},425,"206956","The Palácio das Mangabeiras, in Minas Gerais, had several drawbacks.",2920.18,2925.6,{"idx":2595,"utterance_id":2596,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2597,"start_s":2598,"end_s":2599,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},426,"206957","Extremely far from the administrative center.",2925.78,2929.34,{"idx":2601,"utterance_id":2602,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2603,"start_s":2604,"end_s":2605,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},427,"206958","And former governor Pimentel would only go and return by helicopter.",2930.42,2935.04,{"idx":2607,"utterance_id":2608,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2609,"start_s":2610,"end_s":2611,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},428,"206959","Millions per year.",2937.02,2938.16,{"idx":2613,"utterance_id":2614,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2615,"start_s":2611,"end_s":2616,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},429,"206960","32 staff — maids, waiters, housekeepers — paid by the State government.",2944.24,{"idx":2618,"utterance_id":2619,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2620,"start_s":2621,"end_s":2622,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},430,"206961","A club that operated like a private club — lunches and banquets directly for the king's friends.",2945.04,2951.96,{"idx":2624,"utterance_id":2625,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2626,"start_s":2627,"end_s":2628,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},431,"206962","And I lead an austere life; it's not because I'm governor that I changed anything, and I chose this.",2952.46,2960.98,{"idx":2630,"utterance_id":2631,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2632,"start_s":2633,"end_s":2634,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},432,"206963","And depending on what public facilities exist in Brasília, I'm willing and would even feel much more comfortable living in a smaller place.",2961.38,2971.2,{"idx":2636,"utterance_id":2637,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2638,"start_s":2639,"end_s":2640,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},433,"206964","As long as it wouldn't leave me vulnerable in terms of security or distant from my workplace.",2971.76,2979.62,{"idx":2642,"utterance_id":2643,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2644,"start_s":2645,"end_s":2646,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},434,"206965","But if there's some structure there... Now, one thing, Ricardo, I guarantee you that I... This I can already assure you I will do.",2980.08,2987.02,{"idx":2648,"utterance_id":2649,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2650,"start_s":2651,"end_s":2652,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},435,"206966","Everything the presidency spends this month, next month you'll be able to see what it is. There won't be this '100-year secrecy' thing to hide what's being spent.",2987.78,3000.44,{"idx":2654,"utterance_id":2655,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2656,"start_s":2657,"end_s":2658,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},436,"206967","So, I think that's respecting taxpayers' money, which this government today does not do at all.",3000.92,3009.28,{"idx":2660,"utterance_id":2661,"speaker_name":69,"text":2662,"start_s":2663,"end_s":2664,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},437,"206968","With that, we're going to another short break and will be right back with Roda Viva with Governor Romeu Zema.",3010.02,3016.24,{"idx":2666,"utterance_id":2667,"speaker_name":69,"text":1356,"start_s":2668,"end_s":2669,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},438,"206969",3031.36,3032.84,{"idx":2671,"utterance_id":2672,"speaker_name":69,"text":1362,"start_s":2673,"end_s":2674,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},439,"206970",3033.76,3034.38,{"idx":2676,"utterance_id":2677,"speaker_name":69,"text":2678,"start_s":2679,"end_s":2680,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},440,"206971","We're back on Roda Viva, which today welcomes the governor of Minas, Romeu Zema.",3045.7,3050.32,{"idx":2682,"utterance_id":2683,"speaker_name":69,"text":2684,"start_s":2685,"end_s":2686,"word_count":314,"indexable":74},441,"206972","Governor, in the second segment, if I'm not mistaken, you spoke about Brazil's proximity to the BRICS or to the United States and practically blamed a certain anti-American rhetoric in Brazil for the tariffs imposed by Donald Trump.",3050.96,3066.96,{"idx":2688,"utterance_id":2689,"speaker_name":69,"text":2690,"start_s":2691,"end_s":2692,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},442,"206973","I cited the Quest survey at the start of the program, which shows that that rhetoric doesn't resonate.",3067.02,3072.32,{"idx":2694,"utterance_id":2695,"speaker_name":69,"text":2696,"start_s":2697,"end_s":2698,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},443,"206974","For the majority of respondents, the responsibility for the fact that Brazil is being sanctioned",3072.6,3077.84,{"idx":2700,"utterance_id":2701,"speaker_name":69,"text":2702,"start_s":2703,"end_s":2704,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},444,"206975","without having engaged in any anti-commercial practice with the United States, lies with the Bolsonaro family.",3078.42,3083.86,{"idx":2706,"utterance_id":2707,"speaker_name":69,"text":2708,"start_s":2709,"end_s":2710,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},445,"206976","Don't you think it's shooting yourself in the foot to insist on reversing the logic — that Brazil, in fact, is not a victim but rather to blame for being sanctioned?",3084.26,3094.8,{"idx":2712,"utterance_id":2713,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2714,"start_s":2715,"end_s":2716,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},446,"206977","I maintain the same opinion, and time is the arbiter of truth.",3096.44,3102.82,{"idx":2718,"utterance_id":2719,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2720,"start_s":2721,"end_s":2722,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},447,"206978","Soon time will pass.",3104.08,3106.84,{"idx":2724,"utterance_id":2725,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2726,"start_s":2727,"end_s":2728,"word_count":320,"indexable":74},448,"206979","And it will become very clear that it's this position of President Lula, clearly anti-American, just like Venezuela's; soon he'll have exactly the same discourse as Nicolas Maduro, Hugo Chávez, and it is that which is leading Brazil to receive these sanctions.",3107.6,3130.56,{"idx":2730,"utterance_id":2731,"speaker_name":69,"text":2732,"start_s":2733,"end_s":2734,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},449,"206980","So you think Donald Trump's tariff policy is correct, then?",3130.58,3133.82,{"idx":2736,"utterance_id":2737,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2738,"start_s":2739,"end_s":2740,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},450,"206981","No, absolutely not.",3134.32,3135.58,{"idx":2742,"utterance_id":2743,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2744,"start_s":2745,"end_s":2746,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},451,"206982","Vera, one mistake doesn't justify the other.",3135.78,3139.4,{"idx":2748,"utterance_id":2749,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2750,"start_s":2751,"end_s":2752,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},452,"206983","If Lula criticized and criticized and questioned the dollar and I don't know what regarding the United States, in my view he should have been called by the president.",3140.46,3152.1,{"idx":2754,"utterance_id":2755,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2756,"start_s":2757,"end_s":2758,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},453,"206984","I come from the retail business.",3152.26,3154.1,{"idx":2760,"utterance_id":2761,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2762,"start_s":2763,"end_s":2764,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},454,"206985","Throughout my life, what I've done most is negotiate with banks, suppliers, and customers.",3154.76,3162.46,{"idx":2766,"utterance_id":2767,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2768,"start_s":2769,"end_s":2770,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},455,"206986","I know how important dialogue is and how intrigue, accusations, and insults are damaging.",3163.78,3172.6,{"idx":2772,"utterance_id":2773,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2774,"start_s":2775,"end_s":2776,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},456,"206987","Everything must be on the table.",3172.98,3174.42,{"idx":2778,"utterance_id":2779,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2780,"start_s":2781,"end_s":2782,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},457,"206988","If Lula isn't satisfied with the dollar, he should go speak with Trump.",3174.92,3178.78,{"idx":2784,"utterance_id":2785,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2786,"start_s":2787,"end_s":2788,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},458,"206989","A commercial problem is handled face to face; it's not done by sending little messages, by speaking...",3179.76,3188.02,{"idx":2790,"utterance_id":2791,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2792,"start_s":2793,"end_s":2794,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},459,"206990","Not to the press.",3188.52,3189.54,{"idx":2796,"utterance_id":2797,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2798,"start_s":2799,"end_s":2800,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},460,"206991","So, it was very harmful.",3189.94,3191.3,{"idx":2802,"utterance_id":2803,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2804,"start_s":2805,"end_s":2806,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},461,"206992","That has never been Brazil's stance in terms of international relations.",3191.78,3197.58,{"idx":2808,"utterance_id":2809,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2810,"start_s":2811,"end_s":2812,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},462,"206993","Itamaraty has always had a record that is applauded worldwide and it, unfortunately, went down the path of Venezuela.",3198,3207.24,{"idx":2814,"utterance_id":2815,"speaker_name":69,"text":2816,"start_s":2817,"end_s":2818,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},463,"206994","Governor, you said that the right-wing candidacies for the presidency would be fragmented and that you shouldn't go with Bolsonaro or with the PL in the first round.",3208.88,3216.36,{"idx":2820,"utterance_id":2821,"speaker_name":69,"text":2822,"start_s":2823,"end_s":2824,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},464,"206995","Doesn't that complicate your candidate?",3216.68,3218.44,{"idx":2826,"utterance_id":2827,"speaker_name":69,"text":2828,"start_s":2829,"end_s":2830,"word_count":384,"indexable":74},465,"206996","In Minas Gerais, currently in Partido Novo, the vice-governor Matheus Simões — for him to run with a united right he needs to bring together in that group you, Nicolas Ferreira, who is a potential candidate for governor of the State, and also Cleitinho, who is from the Republicanos, the senator, who is another pre-candidate.",3218.48,3233.16,{"idx":2832,"utterance_id":2833,"speaker_name":69,"text":2834,"start_s":2835,"end_s":2836,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},466,"206997","If Matheus Simões has to face those two, very possibly he would lose the election.",3233.62,3238.3,{"idx":2838,"utterance_id":2839,"speaker_name":69,"text":2840,"start_s":2841,"end_s":2842,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},467,"206998","How are you going to do it if you can't replicate a National Senate alliance at the regional level because it doesn't exist?",3238.66,3243.3,{"idx":2844,"utterance_id":2845,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2846,"start_s":2847,"end_s":2848,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},468,"206999","Edilene, for sure this issue will be addressed during the unfolding of the pre-campaign up until the deadline.",3244.44,3253.88,{"idx":2850,"utterance_id":2851,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2852,"start_s":2853,"end_s":2854,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},469,"207000","Vice-governor Matheus Simões is fully aware of that and he will have to make some alliance; he will have to manage that issue.",3255.26,3267.14,{"idx":2856,"utterance_id":2857,"speaker_name":69,"text":2858,"start_s":2859,"end_s":2860,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},470,"207001","Do you think he has a chance against Clitinho, against Nicolas?",3267.4,3269.9,{"idx":2862,"utterance_id":2863,"speaker_name":69,"text":2864,"start_s":2865,"end_s":2866,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},471,"207002","Or is it best to go united?",3270.08,3272.26,{"idx":2868,"utterance_id":2869,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2870,"start_s":2871,"end_s":2872,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},472,"207003","Ideally, you should have the support of larger parties.",3273.14,3278.78,{"idx":2874,"utterance_id":2875,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2876,"start_s":2877,"end_s":2878,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},473,"207004","I acknowledge that Partido Novo is a small party.",3278.94,3282.2,{"idx":2880,"utterance_id":2881,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2882,"start_s":2883,"end_s":2884,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},474,"207005","You have a chance to win the election, but with much greater difficulty.",3282.72,3287.74,{"idx":2886,"utterance_id":2887,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2888,"start_s":2889,"end_s":2890,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},475,"207006","Now, all of this composition will depend on the parties.",3288.3,3292.52,{"idx":2892,"utterance_id":2893,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2894,"start_s":2895,"end_s":2896,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},476,"207007","For sure... There is such a possibility, yes, when it comes to a gubernatorial election.",3293.12,3299.96,{"idx":2898,"utterance_id":2899,"speaker_name":69,"text":2900,"start_s":2901,"end_s":2902,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},477,"207008","Is he going to the PSD, Gilberto Kassab?",3300.04,3302.16,{"idx":2904,"utterance_id":2905,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2906,"start_s":2907,"end_s":2908,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},478,"207009","There is this possibility, which depends on him, on Partido Novo, on the PSD.",3302.68,3310.5,{"idx":2910,"utterance_id":2911,"speaker_name":69,"text":2912,"start_s":2913,"end_s":2914,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},479,"207010","But do you think that this fits with Pacheco running for the government of Minas with the PSD, or would Pacheco leave the party?",3310.72,3315.68,{"idx":2916,"utterance_id":2917,"speaker_name":69,"text":2918,"start_s":2919,"end_s":2920,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},480,"207011","So then we have to ask them, right, Dilê?",3316.1,3319.04,{"idx":2922,"utterance_id":2923,"speaker_name":69,"text":2924,"start_s":2925,"end_s":2926,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},481,"207012","Can Matheus Simões and Rodrigo Pacheco fit under the same party banner?",3319.06,3322.12,{"idx":2928,"utterance_id":2929,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2930,"start_s":2931,"end_s":2932,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},482,"207013","I think it's unlikely.",3322.7,3323.7,{"idx":2934,"utterance_id":2935,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2930,"start_s":2936,"end_s":2937,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},483,"207014",3324.48,3325.44,{"idx":2939,"utterance_id":2940,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2941,"start_s":2942,"end_s":2943,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},484,"207015","So, there would have to be some conditions, some contingencies that would have to be met, both on Matheus's part and on the party's part.",3325.78,3337.94,{"idx":2945,"utterance_id":2946,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2947,"start_s":2948,"end_s":2949,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},485,"207016","In the interview on Flow Podcast on the 14th, you said that the worst thing about the State is that thing called the bidding process.",3339.14,3345.1,{"idx":2951,"utterance_id":2952,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2953,"start_s":2954,"end_s":2955,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},486,"207017","You said that when you renovate your house or run your business, you can hire whoever you want, but in government, if you choose a reliable, well-known company, they'll say you're directing the process.",3345.44,3354.3,{"idx":2957,"utterance_id":2958,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2959,"start_s":2960,"end_s":2961,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},487,"207018","I'd like to understand what flexibilization you propose regarding the procurement law.",3354.38,3359.04,{"idx":2963,"utterance_id":2964,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2965,"start_s":2966,"end_s":2967,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},488,"207019","Is there any solution to this problem that you raised?",3359.08,3361.58,{"idx":2969,"utterance_id":2970,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2971,"start_s":2972,"end_s":2973,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},489,"207020","Ricardo... We all here make purchasing decisions every day.",3362.66,3369.12,{"idx":2975,"utterance_id":2976,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2977,"start_s":2978,"end_s":2979,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},490,"207021","And since we're spending our own money, it's very easy.",3370.16,3374,{"idx":2981,"utterance_id":2982,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2983,"start_s":2984,"end_s":2985,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},491,"207022","If you want to buy a piece of clothing, I don't think you'll choose the cheapest one.",3374.9,3379.52,{"idx":2987,"utterance_id":2988,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2989,"start_s":2990,"end_s":2991,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},492,"207023","Because you know you'll wash it and it will fall apart, or fade, or have some problem very soon.",3379.54,3387.62,{"idx":2993,"utterance_id":2994,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":2995,"start_s":2996,"end_s":2997,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},493,"207024","You'll buy something of higher quality.",3387.64,3390.86,{"idx":2999,"utterance_id":3000,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3001,"start_s":3002,"end_s":3003,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},494,"207025","And many times, when the State acquires certain products, the only criterion that prevails is price.",3391.76,3400.3,{"idx":3005,"utterance_id":3006,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3007,"start_s":3008,"end_s":3009,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},495,"207026","So we need to improve something in that regard.",3401.38,3406.36,{"idx":3011,"utterance_id":3012,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3013,"start_s":3014,"end_s":3015,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},496,"207027","But the best improvement, Ricardo, is what we are doing with the regional hospitals — we're going to inaugurate five by the end of my term, all in the interior of the State.",3406.4,3419.58,{"idx":3017,"utterance_id":3018,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3019,"start_s":3020,"end_s":3021,"word_count":302,"indexable":74},497,"207028","And they will be managed by OS, social organizations, which will receive State funds but will not have to submit to that bureaucratic, slow procedure that suffocates CEMIG, but does not suffocate the private sector.",3419.6,3445.94,{"idx":3023,"utterance_id":3024,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3025,"start_s":3026,"end_s":3027,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},498,"207029","When a CT scanner breaks down in SEMIG, in the FEMIG network, maybe in 90 days it will be back in operation.",3446.68,3455.42,{"idx":3029,"utterance_id":3030,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3031,"start_s":3032,"end_s":3033,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},499,"207030","When a CT scanner breaks down in the private network... in a few hours it's back working.",3456.06,3462.26,{"idx":3035,"utterance_id":3036,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3037,"start_s":3038,"end_s":3039,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},500,"207031","Because you buy it; you don't need to go out and run a tender.",3462.62,3466.08,{"idx":3041,"utterance_id":3042,"speaker_name":69,"text":3043,"start_s":3044,"end_s":3045,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},501,"207032","Here in São Paulo there is the OS system at the state and municipal levels and often it is a system very subject to diversion of funds, ghost entities, entities linked to politicians.",3466.2,3477.36,{"idx":3047,"utterance_id":3048,"speaker_name":69,"text":3049,"start_s":3050,"end_s":3051,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},502,"207033","It's not something that turns water into wine, right, governor?",3477.88,3482.6,{"idx":3053,"utterance_id":3054,"speaker_name":69,"text":644,"start_s":3055,"end_s":3056,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},503,"207034",3482.62,3483.5,{"idx":3058,"utterance_id":3059,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3060,"start_s":3061,"end_s":3062,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},504,"207035","And the bidding process, as you well know, is also vulnerable.",3483.54,3487.22,{"idx":3064,"utterance_id":3065,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3066,"start_s":3067,"end_s":3068,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},505,"207036","You hold a tender with certain requirements so that it is completely directed only to a specific company.",3487.7,3498.24,{"idx":3070,"utterance_id":3071,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3072,"start_s":3073,"end_s":3074,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},506,"207037","This is something that really needs, perhaps more monitoring — constant scrutiny.",3499,3507.02,{"idx":3076,"utterance_id":3077,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3078,"start_s":3079,"end_s":3080,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},507,"207038","On the part of the state's general comptroller, the State Court of Auditors, rather than a law, because there is always some mechanism to redirect that tender.",3507.54,3520.22,{"idx":3082,"utterance_id":3083,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3084,"start_s":3085,"end_s":3086,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},508,"207039","Governor...",3520.3,3520.78,{"idx":3088,"utterance_id":3089,"speaker_name":69,"text":3090,"start_s":3091,"end_s":3092,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},509,"207040","Ah, go ahead.",3520.82,3522.2,{"idx":3094,"utterance_id":3095,"speaker_name":69,"text":3096,"start_s":3097,"end_s":3098,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},510,"207041","Who asked, Zanino?",3522.4,3523.48,{"idx":3100,"utterance_id":3101,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3102,"start_s":3103,"end_s":3104,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},511,"207042","I wanted to ask about... President Lula has risen in the latest polls, not by much, but it shows an upward curve.",3523.96,3530.58,{"idx":3106,"utterance_id":3107,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3108,"start_s":3109,"end_s":3110,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},512,"207043","Both his approval has improved a bit, and his disapproval has fallen as well.",3531.2,3535.96,{"idx":3112,"utterance_id":3113,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3114,"start_s":3115,"end_s":3116,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},513,"207044","Disapproval is higher, but there is an increase.",3536.4,3538.52,{"idx":3118,"utterance_id":3119,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3120,"start_s":3121,"end_s":3122,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},514,"207045","And in one-on-one matchups with various candidates, including you, he wins.",3539.02,3543,{"idx":3124,"utterance_id":3125,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3126,"start_s":3127,"end_s":3128,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},515,"207046","Some closer to the margin of error, others further away.",3543.32,3546.94,{"idx":3130,"utterance_id":3131,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3132,"start_s":3133,"end_s":3134,"word_count":366,"indexable":74},516,"207047","I wanted to ask how you see it: what is President Lula's strength for re-election, in case he really is a candidate—you tell me he will be—how far can he go and how to defeat President Lula, especially if there is a strengthening curve for him from now until the election.",3547.38,3565.7,{"idx":3136,"utterance_id":3137,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3138,"start_s":3139,"end_s":3140,"word_count":314,"indexable":74},517,"207048","Hey Fábio, I think this reversal that happened is momentary; I think it has a lot to do with this tariff issue, which at first was presented to the population as not related to him but to Bolsonaro.",3567.24,3585.1,{"idx":3142,"utterance_id":3143,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3144,"start_s":3145,"end_s":3146,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},518,"207049","Over time, that will start to become clarified.",3585.92,3590.86,{"idx":3148,"utterance_id":3149,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3150,"start_s":3151,"end_s":3152,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},519,"207050","And I, Fábio, throughout my whole life... both in the private sector and in government, I've always pursued long-term actions and management.",3592.42,3605.34,{"idx":3154,"utterance_id":3155,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3156,"start_s":3157,"end_s":3158,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},520,"207051","And the Lula government, up to this point, the good numbers it has reaped are because it has been applying steroids to the Brazilian economy.",3606.22,3616.2,{"idx":3160,"utterance_id":3161,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3162,"start_s":3163,"end_s":3164,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},521,"207052","The Brazilian economy is inflating more than it is growing.",3616.86,3621.54,{"idx":3166,"utterance_id":3167,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3168,"start_s":3169,"end_s":3170,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},522,"207053","We saw the same thing in 2015 and 2016.",3622.9,3628.14,{"idx":3172,"utterance_id":3173,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3174,"start_s":3175,"end_s":3176,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},523,"207054","The biggest recession in Brazil's history — GDP fell by almost 8%.",3628.58,3634.76,{"idx":3178,"utterance_id":3179,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3180,"start_s":3181,"end_s":3182,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},524,"207055","The only country in the world in that 2015–2016 biennium that took a beating was a country called Brazil.",3635.8,3644.02,{"idx":3184,"utterance_id":3185,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3186,"start_s":3187,"end_s":3188,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},525,"207056","because of the economy, because of the economic actions that the PT adopted during Dilma's government.",3644.54,3652.22,{"idx":3190,"utterance_id":3191,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3192,"start_s":3193,"end_s":3194,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},526,"207057","Overspending; back then they still managed to manipulate the interest rate, today it's more difficult.",3652.44,3661.38,{"idx":3196,"utterance_id":3197,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3198,"start_s":3199,"end_s":3200,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},527,"207058","And we'll see the outcome of this in the coming months.",3661.86,3665.88,{"idx":3202,"utterance_id":3203,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3204,"start_s":3205,"end_s":3206,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},528,"207059","It's just a matter of time.",3666.32,3668.4,{"idx":3208,"utterance_id":3209,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3210,"start_s":3211,"end_s":3212,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},529,"207060","Whether it's six more months or 12 more months, at some point we'll see that this growth so vaunted by the government is something that is not sustainable.",3668.94,3681.52,{"idx":3214,"utterance_id":3215,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3216,"start_s":3217,"end_s":3218,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},530,"207061","It's a steroid.",3681.92,3683.38,{"idx":3220,"utterance_id":3221,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3222,"start_s":3223,"end_s":3224,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},531,"207062","Remember, for those who don't recall what a steroid is: it's the shot bodybuilders take to get really bulky.",3683.46,3692.46,{"idx":3226,"utterance_id":3227,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3228,"start_s":3229,"end_s":3230,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},532,"207063","And in two or three years they'll have cardiac, renal, impotence problems, and so on.",3693.14,3699.78,{"idx":3232,"utterance_id":3233,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3234,"start_s":3235,"end_s":3236,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},533,"207064","And we've already had this in the past and the repetition is happening.",3699.8,3703.8,{"idx":3238,"utterance_id":3239,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3240,"start_s":3241,"end_s":3242,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},534,"207065","This rise in interest rates — 15% — which the government can no longer control as it did under Dilma, is already a very clear symptom of this disorganization of the economic system.",3704.24,3717.74,{"idx":3244,"utterance_id":3245,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3246,"start_s":3247,"end_s":3248,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},535,"207066","One foot in the refrigerator and the other foot... in the oven and saying everything is normal.",3718.22,3723.8,{"idx":3250,"utterance_id":3251,"speaker_name":69,"text":3252,"start_s":3253,"end_s":3254,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},536,"207067","Governor, you're using a lot of health metaphors; let's return to the topic of health.",3724.8,3730.28,{"idx":3256,"utterance_id":3257,"speaker_name":69,"text":3258,"start_s":3259,"end_s":3260,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},537,"207068","The State is transitioning from a public management model to private management.",3730.82,3738.18,{"idx":3262,"utterance_id":3263,"speaker_name":69,"text":3264,"start_s":3265,"end_s":3266,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},538,"207069","You are... putting out bids, issuing tenders to privatize some hospitals.",3738.4,3747.02,{"idx":3268,"utterance_id":3269,"speaker_name":69,"text":3270,"start_s":3271,"end_s":3272,"word_count":337,"indexable":74},539,"207070","And these tenders — I am referring here to the one for Hospital Maria Amélia Lins, which has been closed since December of last year — are being questioned at the State Court of Accounts, which wants you to demonstrate an advantage of this model compared to others.",3747.62,3765.76,{"idx":3274,"utterance_id":3275,"speaker_name":69,"text":3276,"start_s":3277,"end_s":3278,"word_count":420,"indexable":74},540,"207071","The MPF (Federal Public Ministry) also has a study that shows, when comparing hospitals — for example, a hospital in Barbacena that is publicly managed with the hospital in Patos where outsourcing was carried out — that the Barbacena hospital, despite performing surgeries of greater complexity, is a cheaper hospital than the one that was privatized.",3766.34,3795.12,{"idx":3280,"utterance_id":3281,"speaker_name":69,"text":3282,"start_s":3283,"end_s":3284,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},541,"207072","The question is the following: this transition, in the case of Maria Amélia Lins, is leading to the shutdown and to serious aftereffects due to overload at Hospital João XXIII.",3795.58,3810.26,{"idx":3286,"utterance_id":3287,"speaker_name":69,"text":3288,"start_s":3289,"end_s":3290,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},542,"207073","Therefore, a process without planning, because people are not being served at the hospital.",3810.36,3815.22,{"idx":3292,"utterance_id":3293,"speaker_name":69,"text":3294,"start_s":3295,"end_s":3296,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},543,"207074","The question is the following: if you are elected, what will you do with the Brazilian Hospital Services Company?",3815.66,3823.1,{"idx":3298,"utterance_id":3299,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3300,"start_s":3301,"end_s":3302,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},544,"207075","Roberta, our health vision is to strengthen the interior.",3824.64,3831.3,{"idx":3304,"utterance_id":3305,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3306,"start_s":3307,"end_s":3308,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},545,"207076","Belo Horizonte has always been overloaded with ambulances.",3832.14,3837.22,{"idx":3310,"utterance_id":3311,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3312,"start_s":3313,"end_s":3314,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},546,"207077","at the doors of João XXIII, of Santa Casa,",3839.48,3842.56,{"idx":3316,"utterance_id":3317,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":258,"start_s":3318,"end_s":3319,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},547,"207078",3842.74,3843.06,{"idx":3321,"utterance_id":3322,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3323,"start_s":3324,"end_s":3325,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},548,"207079","public hospitals in Belo Horizonte, where you see ambulances from the whole state.",3843.8,3848.64,{"idx":3327,"utterance_id":3328,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3329,"start_s":3330,"end_s":3331,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},549,"207080","By the end of my administration, as I said, we will inaugurate five large hospitals in the interior.",3849.18,3856.56,{"idx":3333,"utterance_id":3334,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3335,"start_s":3336,"end_s":3337,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},550,"207081","Governador Valadares, Teófilo Ottoni, Sete Lagoas, Conselheiro Lafayette and Divinópolis.",3857.06,3866.16,{"idx":3339,"utterance_id":3340,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3341,"start_s":3342,"end_s":3343,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},551,"207082","These beds will bring an improvement both for those who live in the interior and for those who live in the capital, which will no longer have to receive thousands of patients a day.",3867.14,3882,{"idx":3345,"utterance_id":3346,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3347,"start_s":3348,"end_s":3349,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},552,"207083","So, I'm delivering, Berto, a health system that is the opposite of what I saw in 2018.",3882.64,3888.44,{"idx":3351,"utterance_id":3352,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3353,"start_s":3354,"end_s":3355,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},553,"207084","In 2018, during my campaign, I went through the city of Tabuleiro, in the Zona da Mata.",3889.08,3894.7,{"idx":3357,"utterance_id":3358,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3359,"start_s":3360,"end_s":3361,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},554,"207085","The only health center, the city's only UBS, was closed with a sign on the door that read the following: 'We are not operating because we are not receiving resources from the State government.'",3895.12,3908.7,{"idx":3363,"utterance_id":3364,"speaker_name":69,"text":3365,"start_s":3366,"end_s":3367,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},555,"207086","With the Brazilian Hospital Services Company.",3908.72,3911.88,{"idx":3369,"utterance_id":3370,"speaker_name":69,"text":3371,"start_s":3372,"end_s":3373,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},556,"207087","didn't 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Bolsas.",3952.54,3955.62,{"idx":3404,"utterance_id":3405,"speaker_name":69,"text":3406,"start_s":3407,"end_s":3408,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},562,"207093","Well, Governor, you said at the start of our conversation... that you see the presence of many right-wing presidential candidates as positive and that this strengthens the right.",3955.66,3970.82,{"idx":3410,"utterance_id":3411,"speaker_name":69,"text":3412,"start_s":3413,"end_s":3414,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},563,"207094","But doesn't that carry the risk of a very large dispersion of votes and, with so many candidates, none of them becoming a protagonist during the campaign?",3971.34,3983.86,{"idx":3416,"utterance_id":3417,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3418,"start_s":3419,"end_s":3420,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},564,"207095","Sibeli, our view is exactly the opposite of what you say.",3985.2,3991.5,{"idx":3422,"utterance_id":3423,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3424,"start_s":3425,"end_s":3426,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},565,"207096","Because if the right had only one candidate, without a doubt the Lula PT government would direct all its artillery against that candidate.",3992.38,4005.94,{"idx":3428,"utterance_id":3429,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3430,"start_s":3431,"end_s":3432,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},566,"207097","And by having several, it already faces this extra difficulty.",4006.52,4012.62,{"idx":3434,"utterance_id":3435,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3436,"start_s":3437,"end_s":3438,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},567,"207098","And the chance of these candidates being able to take their votes... into the second round, making a migration, is much greater than if there were only one candidate, who would certainly have fewer votes than the sum of two, three, or four candidates.",4013.68,4034.92,{"idx":3440,"utterance_id":3441,"speaker_name":69,"text":3442,"start_s":3443,"end_s":3444,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},568,"207099","Still, is there the possibility of a prior composition, for example, one of you agreeing to be vice president?",4035.1,4041.98,{"idx":3446,"utterance_id":3447,"speaker_name":69,"text":3448,"start_s":3449,"end_s":3450,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},569,"207100","Others; many people speculate that you would be an ideal vice because you're from Minas, which tends to be a swing state in elections.",4042.48,4053.12,{"idx":3452,"utterance_id":3453,"speaker_name":69,"text":3454,"start_s":3455,"end_s":3456,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},570,"207101","Would you consider the possibility of being vice president?",4053.28,4055.38,{"idx":3458,"utterance_id":3459,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3460,"start_s":3461,"end_s":3462,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},571,"207102","No, Vera.",4055.86,4056.48,{"idx":3464,"utterance_id":3465,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3466,"start_s":3467,"end_s":3468,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},572,"207103","It's decided that we will go until the end.",4056.52,4059.34,{"idx":3470,"utterance_id":3471,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3472,"start_s":3473,"end_s":3474,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},573,"207104","Throughout my career, both in the private sector and in the public sector, I have been the person who assembled the team, who coordinated.",4060.2,4069.42,{"idx":3476,"utterance_id":3477,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3478,"start_s":3479,"end_s":3480,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},574,"207105","I manage in a decentralized way.",4070.1,4073.32,{"idx":3482,"utterance_id":3483,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3484,"start_s":3485,"end_s":3486,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},575,"207106","People who work with me like 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100.",4085.52,4089.56,{"idx":3512,"utterance_id":3513,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3514,"start_s":3515,"end_s":3516,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},580,"207111","That's what interests me.",4089.64,4090.26,{"idx":3518,"utterance_id":3519,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3520,"start_s":3521,"end_s":3522,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},581,"207112","Will you keep your candidacy even if Tarcísio runs, Governor?",4090.28,4093.14,{"idx":3524,"utterance_id":3525,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3526,"start_s":3527,"end_s":3528,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},582,"207113","What do you mean?",4093.2,4093.42,{"idx":3530,"utterance_id":3531,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3532,"start_s":3533,"end_s":3534,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},583,"207114","If Tarcísio were to run for president, would you keep your candidacy?",4093.5,4096,{"idx":3536,"utterance_id":3537,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3538,"start_s":3539,"end_s":3540,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},584,"207115","We will maintain the candidacy.",4096.06,4097.46,{"idx":3542,"utterance_id":3543,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3544,"start_s":3545,"end_s":3546,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},585,"207116","We will work side by side and in the second round, whoever gets there will certainly have the support.",4097.6,4103.82,{"idx":3548,"utterance_id":3549,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3550,"start_s":3551,"end_s":3552,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},586,"207117","Do you assess that Tarcísio is going to be a candidate?",4103.84,4105.6,{"idx":3554,"utterance_id":3555,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3556,"start_s":3557,"end_s":3558,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},587,"207118","I ask because in the last... Of course this is the million-dollar question, but in the past weeks it has started to grow — it seems there's a certain chorus on the right, among businesspeople, in the financial market.",4105.76,4117.4,{"idx":3560,"utterance_id":3561,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3562,"start_s":3563,"end_s":3564,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},588,"207119","calling for Tarcísio to take on that presidential candidacy.",4117.82,4120.3,{"idx":3566,"utterance_id":3567,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3568,"start_s":3569,"end_s":3570,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},589,"207120","He also seems to be pursuing a more national agenda.",4120.32,4124.08,{"idx":3572,"utterance_id":3573,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3574,"start_s":3575,"end_s":3576,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},590,"207121","What do you feel when you talk to him?",4124.54,4127,{"idx":3578,"utterance_id":3579,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3580,"start_s":3581,"end_s":3582,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},591,"207122","What is your feeling?",4127.02,4127.98,{"idx":3584,"utterance_id":3585,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3586,"start_s":3587,"end_s":3588,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},592,"207123","Is he going to run for president?",4128,4129.32,{"idx":3590,"utterance_id":3591,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3592,"start_s":3593,"end_s":3594,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},593,"207124","For me, he has already stated that he will run for re-election in São Paulo.",4130.6,4135.68,{"idx":3596,"utterance_id":3597,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3598,"start_s":3599,"end_s":3600,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},594,"207125","He tells us the same.",4136.62,4137.74,{"idx":3602,"utterance_id":3603,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3604,"start_s":3605,"end_s":3606,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},595,"207126","I think the big question is having a name in São Paulo up to his standard.",4138.44,4144.08,{"idx":3608,"utterance_id":3609,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3610,"start_s":3611,"end_s":3612,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},596,"207127","And liable.",4144.82,4145.72,{"idx":3614,"utterance_id":3615,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3616,"start_s":3617,"end_s":3618,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},597,"207128","to lose the country's main state, perhaps even to the left, if he is not the one to seek re-election.",4146.14,4155.16,{"idx":3620,"utterance_id":3621,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3622,"start_s":3623,"end_s":3624,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},598,"207129","So it's a risk for his party.",4155.9,4159.86,{"idx":3626,"utterance_id":3627,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3628,"start_s":3629,"end_s":3630,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},599,"207130","I don't know what other name could have such high acceptance as his in the State of São Paulo.",4160.4,4167.64,{"idx":3632,"utterance_id":3633,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3634,"start_s":3635,"end_s":3636,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},600,"207131","but anything is possible in politics; things later on can rearrange, change according to his opinions, the party's, etc.",4168.08,4178.48,{"idx":3638,"utterance_id":3639,"speaker_name":69,"text":3640,"start_s":3641,"end_s":3642,"word_count":354,"indexable":74},601,"207132","Governor, you have received some criticism for having, in the assessment of many critics, anticipated your pre-candidacy for the presidency too early and that this positioning further hinders your dialogue with the current administration of President Lula.",4181,4197.4,{"idx":3644,"utterance_id":3645,"speaker_name":69,"text":3646,"start_s":3647,"end_s":3648,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},602,"207133","Do you think it's accurate, that the relationship got worse after you announced you are a pre-candidate?",4197.42,4201.94,{"idx":3650,"utterance_id":3651,"speaker_name":69,"text":3652,"start_s":3653,"end_s":3654,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},603,"207134","Do you think this is the correct strategy?",4201.96,4203.44,{"idx":3656,"utterance_id":3657,"speaker_name":69,"text":3658,"start_s":3659,"end_s":3660,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},604,"207135","Why did you adopt it?",4203.48,4204.5,{"idx":3662,"utterance_id":3663,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3664,"start_s":3665,"end_s":3666,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},605,"207136","It was never one of the best and at some point we would have to do this.",4211.28,4218.08,{"idx":3668,"utterance_id":3669,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3670,"start_s":3671,"end_s":3672,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},606,"207137","And I think it was the right moment; this was widely discussed in the party and we clearly know, we, the states governed by the right, by the center-right, that the federal government always does the minimum.",4218.92,4237.8,{"idx":3674,"utterance_id":3675,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3676,"start_s":3677,"end_s":3678,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},607,"207138","that is necessary in these states.",4238.46,4240.98,{"idx":3680,"utterance_id":3681,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3682,"start_s":3683,"end_s":3684,"word_count":239,"indexable":74},608,"207139","We don't have anything extra, unlike the states governed by the left, which present indicators much... worse than the states governed by the right, especially regarding public security.",4241.3,4256.76,{"idx":3686,"utterance_id":3687,"speaker_name":69,"text":3688,"start_s":3689,"end_s":3690,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},609,"207140","Now, the president has intensified his trips to Minas, made several visits, should go again soon, and you had a five-point drop in approval according to the Quest poll.",4256.78,4269.52,{"idx":3692,"utterance_id":3693,"speaker_name":69,"text":3694,"start_s":3695,"end_s":3696,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},610,"207141","since he intensified those attacks.",4270.04,4271.96,{"idx":3698,"utterance_id":3699,"speaker_name":69,"text":3700,"start_s":3701,"end_s":3702,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},611,"207142","There was a Luzema vote in 2022 that was important.",4272.64,4277.72,{"idx":3704,"utterance_id":3705,"speaker_name":69,"text":3706,"start_s":3707,"end_s":3708,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},612,"207143","Do you not fear losing a portion of your electorate with these criticisms, given that the president is also improving his approval rating?",4278,4285.9,{"idx":3710,"utterance_id":3711,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3712,"start_s":3713,"end_s":3714,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},613,"207144","And he won in Minas, right?",4286.26,4287.3,{"idx":3716,"utterance_id":3717,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3718,"start_s":3719,"end_s":3720,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},614,"207145","Yes. Indeed, the poll shows that figure you mention.",4287.44,4294.16,{"idx":3722,"utterance_id":3723,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3724,"start_s":3725,"end_s":3726,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},615,"207146","Very likely the connection is exactly what you said.",4295.88,4300.38,{"idx":3728,"utterance_id":3729,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3730,"start_s":3731,"end_s":3732,"word_count":183,"indexable":74},616,"207147","We, in a way, began to be clearly seen as competitors from the moment I launched my pre-candidacy.",4301.64,4311.54,{"idx":3734,"utterance_id":3735,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3736,"start_s":3737,"end_s":3738,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},617,"207148","But that same poll also indicates that there in Minas, in a potential presidential election, I fare well.",4311.94,4320.66,{"idx":3740,"utterance_id":3741,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3742,"start_s":3743,"end_s":3744,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},618,"207149","I have a wide lead over him.",4321.12,4323.76,{"idx":3746,"utterance_id":3747,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3748,"start_s":3749,"end_s":3750,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},619,"207150","The same institute and the same poll that shows that.",4324.08,4327.8,{"idx":3752,"utterance_id":3753,"speaker_name":69,"text":3754,"start_s":3755,"end_s":3756,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},620,"207151","It's a natural advantage, because you are from Minas.",4327.9,4331.74,{"idx":3758,"utterance_id":3759,"speaker_name":69,"text":3760,"start_s":3761,"end_s":3762,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},621,"207152","And if you compare the difference in Paraná, which is 80 to 10, in Minas, among all the gubernatorial presidential hopefuls, Minas has the smallest gap.",4332.32,4343.8,{"idx":3764,"utterance_id":3765,"speaker_name":69,"text":3766,"start_s":3767,"end_s":3768,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},622,"207153","The advantage you have is smaller compared to the other states.",4344.76,4347.8,{"idx":3770,"utterance_id":3771,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3772,"start_s":3773,"end_s":3774,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},623,"207154","In Minas we know, Berta, it's a sample of Brazil.",4348.14,4351.48,{"idx":3776,"utterance_id":3777,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3778,"start_s":3779,"end_s":3780,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},624,"207155","Paraná is a very uniform state.",4351.74,4354.22,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3782,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3783,"start_s":3784,"end_s":3785,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},"207156","If you travel around Paraná, it's very similar throughout.",4355.18,4357.72,{"idx":3787,"utterance_id":3788,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3789,"start_s":3790,"end_s":3791,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},626,"207157","In Minas we have a piece of São Paulo, of Rio, of Goiás, of the Northeast.",4357.76,4363.28,{"idx":3793,"utterance_id":3794,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3795,"start_s":3796,"end_s":3797,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},627,"207158","So, I think even this positive difference for us in Minas gives me more comfort than if I were in another state.",4363.82,4374.34,{"idx":3799,"utterance_id":3800,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3801,"start_s":3802,"end_s":3803,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},628,"207159","Governor, one of the issues on which you clashed most with the federal government was the state's debt.",4374.38,4381.9,{"idx":3805,"utterance_id":3806,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3807,"start_s":3808,"end_s":3809,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},629,"207160","You, of course, took over a government that at that time was having difficulties even paying public servants.",4382.48,4388.1,{"idx":3811,"utterance_id":3812,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3813,"start_s":3814,"end_s":3815,"word_count":284,"indexable":74},630,"207161","You emphasize that you managed to turn that situation around; however, you did that by going six years without paying the debt to the Union because of an injunction that had been granted at the end of the previous administration.",4388.58,4400.14,{"idx":3817,"utterance_id":3818,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3819,"start_s":3820,"end_s":3821,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},631,"207162","which you asked to extend several times, so you went six years without paying that installment.",4400.5,4405.84,{"idx":3823,"utterance_id":3824,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3825,"start_s":3826,"end_s":3827,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},632,"207163","As a result, the debt that was once about 100 billion, roughly at that time, is now at 170, and should reach 180 billion by the end of the year.",4406.38,4414.68,{"idx":3829,"utterance_id":3830,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3831,"start_s":3832,"end_s":3833,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},633,"207164","Do you think that was a good strategy?",4414.7,4416.58,{"idx":3835,"utterance_id":3836,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3837,"start_s":3838,"end_s":3839,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},634,"207165","Wasn't it like not paying a credit card and having to roll over the debt, which will become much larger?",4416.6,4422.12,{"idx":3841,"utterance_id":3842,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3843,"start_s":3844,"end_s":3845,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},635,"207166","So, Ricardo, that's the opposition's version.",4422.78,4428.24,{"idx":3847,"utterance_id":3848,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3849,"start_s":3850,"end_s":3851,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},636,"207167","I have the names of 853 mayors from Minas whom you can check with—ask any of them how much they have already received and how much they are still receiving.",4428.72,4442.24,{"idx":3853,"utterance_id":3854,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3855,"start_s":3856,"end_s":3857,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},637,"207168","every month that PT Pimentel looted the municipal governments.",4442.4,4447.1,{"idx":3859,"utterance_id":3860,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3861,"start_s":3862,"end_s":3863,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},638,"207169","But you did, in fact, stop paying federal debt for six years, right?",4447.14,4450.48,{"idx":3865,"utterance_id":3866,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3867,"start_s":3868,"end_s":3869,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},639,"207170","Yes. The federal debt, when I took it on, represented 190% of the State's net current revenue.",4450.64,4461.08,{"idx":3871,"utterance_id":3872,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3873,"start_s":3874,"end_s":3875,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},640,"207171","Today, the latest figure I have, in 2024, it represented 170%.",4461.74,4466.38,{"idx":3877,"utterance_id":3878,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3879,"start_s":3880,"end_s":3881,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},641,"207172","If someone owed 10 months' salaries and now owes 8 months' salaries, their ability to pay has improved.",4466.5,4474.82,{"idx":3883,"utterance_id":3884,"speaker_name":69,"text":3885,"start_s":3886,"end_s":3887,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},642,"207173","But because there was a renegotiation, right?",4474.92,4476.72,{"idx":3889,"utterance_id":3890,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3891,"start_s":3892,"end_s":3893,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},643,"207174","No, there was no renegotiation.",4477.34,4479.42,{"idx":3895,"utterance_id":3896,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3897,"start_s":3898,"end_s":3899,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},644,"207175","The fiscal recovery regime doesn't change that, Vera.",4479.94,4487.02,{"idx":3901,"utterance_id":3902,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3903,"start_s":3904,"end_s":3905,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},645,"207176","You still have the debt there.",4487.92,4489.76,{"idx":3907,"utterance_id":3908,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3909,"start_s":3910,"end_s":3911,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},646,"207177","You simply gain the prerogative of a smaller installment.",4490.16,4495.06,{"idx":3913,"utterance_id":3914,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3915,"start_s":3916,"end_s":3917,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},647,"207178","But that doesn't mean the adjustment isn't embedded in the remainder, you understand?",4495.86,4502.9,{"idx":3919,"utterance_id":3920,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3921,"start_s":3922,"end_s":3923,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},648,"207179","So, our capacity to settle the debt under my government fell.",4503.42,4508,{"idx":3925,"utterance_id":3926,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3927,"start_s":3928,"end_s":3929,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},649,"207180","Any financial analyst who understands public administration will confirm that.",4508.52,4514.14,{"idx":3931,"utterance_id":3932,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3933,"start_s":3934,"end_s":3935,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},650,"207181","Under the Pimentel administration, it only rose.",4514.46,4516.7,{"idx":3937,"utterance_id":3938,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3939,"start_s":3940,"end_s":3941,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},651,"207182","Under my government, it fell.",4517.02,4518.22,{"idx":3943,"utterance_id":3944,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3945,"start_s":3946,"end_s":3947,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},652,"207183","In nominal values, as Ricardo said, it rose.",4518.62,4521.56,{"idx":3949,"utterance_id":3950,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3951,"start_s":3952,"end_s":3953,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},653,"207184","But what matters are relative values.",4521.94,4524.7,{"idx":3955,"utterance_id":3956,"speaker_name":69,"text":3957,"start_s":3958,"end_s":3959,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},654,"207185","All right, it's open.",4524.72,4526.46,{"idx":3961,"utterance_id":3962,"speaker_name":69,"text":3963,"start_s":3964,"end_s":3965,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},655,"207186","Go ahead, Débora.",4527.56,4528.04,{"idx":3967,"utterance_id":3968,"speaker_name":69,"text":3969,"start_s":3970,"end_s":3971,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},656,"207187","The debt, governor, grew from 114 billion to 170, that is, there was a 59% increase, because in the first six years, indeed, you did not pay.",4528.3,4546.3,{"idx":3973,"utterance_id":3974,"speaker_name":69,"text":3975,"start_s":3976,"end_s":3977,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},657,"207188","And with that saving from not paying... you were able to bring public servants' salaries up to date.",4546.84,4556.32,{"idx":3979,"utterance_id":3980,"speaker_name":69,"text":3981,"start_s":3982,"end_s":3983,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},658,"207189","And this statement is from your former Secretary of Finance, Gustavo Barbosa, in the Legislative Assembly, who, in answering a question, said if the State had to pay the debt, it would not be able to bring public servants' salaries up to date.",4556.7,4574.24,{"idx":3985,"utterance_id":3986,"speaker_name":69,"text":3987,"start_s":3988,"end_s":3989,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},659,"207190","Do you confirm?",4574.8,4575.64,{"idx":3991,"utterance_id":3992,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3993,"start_s":3994,"end_s":3995,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},660,"207191","I fully confirm.",4576.16,4577.96,{"idx":3997,"utterance_id":3998,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":3999,"start_s":4000,"end_s":4001,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},661,"207192","Now, Berta, besides paying the municipalities, we paid suppliers who were no longer supplying any medication to the public network.",4578.58,4587.78,{"idx":4003,"utterance_id":4004,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4005,"start_s":4006,"end_s":4007,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},662,"207193","When I took office, Berta, there were no continuous-use medications for diabetics.",4588.3,4593.02,{"idx":4009,"utterance_id":4010,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4011,"start_s":4012,"end_s":4013,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},663,"207194","I don't know if we ended up losing lives for that reason.",4593.6,4597.56,{"idx":4015,"utterance_id":4016,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4017,"start_s":4018,"end_s":4019,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},664,"207195","We are still paying to replenish judicial deposits.",4598.14,4604.28,{"idx":4021,"utterance_id":4022,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4023,"start_s":4024,"end_s":4025,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},665,"207196","We paid 700 million to the banks to remove the names from SPC and Serasa of 240,000 public employees who had been blacklisted in SPC and Serasa, because Pimentel and the PT deducted the payroll loan installments and didn't pay the banks.",4604.86,4625.96,{"idx":4027,"utterance_id":4028,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4029,"start_s":4030,"end_s":4031,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},666,"207197","And we are still paying, for the 853 mayors, a health-related installment 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today is much greater than in the past, because our economy, our revenue grew in a proportion greater than that of the debt's growth.",4658.06,4672.08,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":4057,"speaker_name":69,"text":4058,"start_s":4059,"end_s":4060,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},"207202","Sibeli, there's still one more on this point.",4672.2,4674.12,{"idx":4062,"utterance_id":4063,"speaker_name":69,"text":4064,"start_s":4065,"end_s":4066,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},672,"207203","Moving on a bit, Governor, you recently declared that you will support all Senate candidates who defend the impeachment of ministers of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",4674.14,4684.42,{"idx":4068,"utterance_id":4069,"speaker_name":69,"text":4070,"start_s":4071,"end_s":4072,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},673,"207204","I would like you to speak a little about 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The Internal Affairs office chases them and expels them.",4770.26,4776.06,{"idx":4145,"utterance_id":4146,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4147,"start_s":4148,"end_s":4149,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},686,"207217","Now it seems to me that in Brazil's Judiciary we only have 100% correct people.",4777,4782.84,{"idx":4151,"utterance_id":4152,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4153,"start_s":4154,"end_s":4155,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},687,"207218","And that's not true.",4783.24,4784.2,{"idx":4157,"utterance_id":4158,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4159,"start_s":4160,"end_s":4161,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},688,"207219","So much so that there is a law, an administrative reform now, to change exactly that.",4784.68,4790.64,{"idx":4163,"utterance_id":4164,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4165,"start_s":4166,"end_s":4167,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},689,"207220","There is no category, no profession in which someone attains a position and is immune from making mistakes.",4791.18,4799.32,{"idx":4169,"utterance_id":4170,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4171,"start_s":4172,"end_s":4173,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},690,"207221","And those who erred must be held accountable.",4799.86,4802.4,{"idx":4175,"utterance_id":4176,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4177,"start_s":4178,"end_s":4179,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},691,"207222","And in Brazil's judiciary today no one is held accountable.",4802.86,4806.3,{"idx":4181,"utterance_id":4182,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4183,"start_s":4184,"end_s":4185,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},692,"207223","You simply became something beyond human.",4806.82,4811.12,{"idx":4187,"utterance_id":4188,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4189,"start_s":4190,"end_s":4191,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},693,"207224","You became someone who no longer makes mistakes.",4811.14,4815.18,{"idx":4193,"utterance_id":4194,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4195,"start_s":4196,"end_s":4197,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},694,"207225","And errors are subject to being made.",4815.64,4817.46,{"idx":4199,"utterance_id":4200,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4201,"start_s":4202,"end_s":4203,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},695,"207226","So we need to correct that.",4817.84,4819.8,{"idx":4205,"utterance_id":4206,"speaker_name":69,"text":333,"start_s":4207,"end_s":4208,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},696,"207227",4819.96,4820.54,{"idx":4210,"utterance_id":4211,"speaker_name":69,"text":4212,"start_s":4213,"end_s":4214,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},697,"207228","We will take our last break.",4820.56,4822.34,{"idx":4216,"utterance_id":4217,"speaker_name":69,"text":4218,"start_s":4219,"end_s":4220,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},698,"207229","Be right back with the Governor of Minas Gerais, Romeu Zema.",4822.42,4826.2,{"idx":4222,"utterance_id":4223,"speaker_name":69,"text":4224,"start_s":4225,"end_s":4226,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},699,"207230","Don't go away.",4826.32,4826.88,{"idx":4228,"utterance_id":4229,"speaker_name":69,"text":4230,"start_s":4231,"end_s":4232,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},700,"207231","We're back with Roda Viva, which today hosts the Governor of Minas who is a presidential candidate, Romeu Zema.",4856.8,4862.44,{"idx":4234,"utterance_id":4235,"speaker_name":69,"text":4236,"start_s":4237,"end_s":4238,"word_count":320,"indexable":74},701,"207232","Governor, I mentioned at the start of the program your interview last week with BBC News, in which you... You made an analogy between a car parked in a prohibited place and therefore deserving to be towed, and homeless people.",4862.9,4877.54,{"idx":4240,"utterance_id":4241,"speaker_name":69,"text":4242,"start_s":4243,"end_s":4244,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},702,"207233","I'm going to quote you.",4877.56,4879.04,{"idx":4246,"utterance_id":4247,"speaker_name":69,"text":4248,"start_s":4249,"end_s":4250,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},703,"207234","\"I want to solve this problem.\"",4879.52,4880.82,{"idx":4252,"utterance_id":4253,"speaker_name":69,"text":4254,"start_s":4255,"end_s":4256,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},704,"207235","If someone leaves a car parked in a prohibited place, isn't the car towed?",4880.9,4885.1,{"idx":4258,"utterance_id":4259,"speaker_name":69,"text":4260,"start_s":4261,"end_s":4262,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},705,"207236","Now are we going to have someone in front of a shopkeeper who pays taxes, who creates jobs, making a mess, causing trouble, threatening the customer?",4885.54,4893.26,{"idx":4264,"utterance_id":4265,"speaker_name":69,"text":4266,"start_s":4267,"end_s":4268,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},706,"207237","No one can do anything.",4893.32,4894.52,{"idx":4270,"utterance_id":4271,"speaker_name":69,"text":4272,"start_s":4273,"end_s":4274,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},707,"207238","Then you said there should be a law forbidding living on the street.",4894.58,4899.12,{"idx":4276,"utterance_id":4277,"speaker_name":69,"text":4278,"start_s":4279,"end_s":4280,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},708,"207239","You know that living on the street is not a person's choice, that it generally stems from lack of access to housing, lack of income, other problems, often even mental health issues, etc.",4899.72,4911.5,{"idx":4282,"utterance_id":4283,"speaker_name":69,"text":4284,"start_s":4285,"end_s":4286,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},709,"207240","I would like you to explain what you meant by that phrase and whether it does not denote a certain lack of social sensitivity.",4913.28,4920.78,{"idx":4288,"utterance_id":4289,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4290,"start_s":4291,"end_s":4292,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},710,"207241","Well, Vera, I'm a factory-floor manager; 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I said earlier that the car doesn't stay; now I'm saying we need to find a solution for the people.",5031.22,5036.74,{"idx":4396,"utterance_id":4397,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4398,"start_s":4399,"end_s":4400,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},728,"207259","You don't tow people.",5036.86,5038.22,{"idx":4402,"utterance_id":4403,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4404,"start_s":4405,"end_s":4406,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},729,"207260","You have to do it with tact, with dignity.",5038.76,5042.46,{"idx":4408,"utterance_id":4409,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4410,"start_s":4411,"end_s":4412,"word_count":199,"indexable":74},730,"207261","Today this work is the municipalities' responsibility, but often the mayor has told me, 'I start to question this person.'",5043.26,5055.62,{"idx":4414,"utterance_id":4415,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4416,"start_s":4417,"end_s":4418,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},731,"207262","And he leaves, but he goes to another city.",5055.72,5059.14,{"idx":4420,"utterance_id":4421,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4422,"start_s":4423,"end_s":4424,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},732,"207263","We need to have a central solution to this problem.",5059.28,5063.96,{"idx":4426,"utterance_id":4427,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4428,"start_s":4429,"end_s":4430,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},733,"207264","And the federal government turned a blind eye.",5064.46,5066.26,{"idx":4432,"utterance_id":4433,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4434,"start_s":4435,"end_s":4436,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},734,"207265","I'm 60 now.",5066.84,5068.98,{"idx":4438,"utterance_id":4439,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4440,"start_s":4441,"end_s":4442,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},735,"207266","This didn't exist in Brazil before, 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for the sheltered; it would be more or less the same thing.",5145.14,5147.86,{"idx":4533,"utterance_id":4534,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4535,"start_s":4536,"end_s":4537,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},751,"207282","Don't you think that's contradictory?",5147.88,5149.4,{"idx":4539,"utterance_id":4540,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4541,"start_s":4542,"end_s":4543,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},752,"207283","Not at all, Ricardo, there are municipalities today that have the capacity to serve this population that refuses to go.",5149.66,5157.16,{"idx":4545,"utterance_id":4546,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4547,"start_s":4548,"end_s":4549,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},753,"207284","We have to have something that makes these people go.",5158.24,5162.78,{"idx":4551,"utterance_id":4552,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4553,"start_s":4554,"end_s":4555,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},754,"207285","Now, the human rights people, who say so much that they are the protectors of these people, they should put a sign on their door and say, homeless people, camp here on my doorstep.",5163.72,5178.14,{"idx":4557,"utterance_id":4558,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4559,"start_s":4560,"end_s":4561,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},755,"207286","Because wherever they go, residential or commercial, they only cause disturbance.",5178.74,5185.58,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":4563,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4564,"start_s":4565,"end_s":4566,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},"207287","Would that be a housing problem?",5186.04,5188.1,{"idx":4568,"utterance_id":4569,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4570,"start_s":4571,"end_s":4572,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},757,"207288","It's not a lack of housing.",5188.88,5190.32,{"idx":4574,"utterance_id":4575,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4576,"start_s":4577,"end_s":4578,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},758,"207289","These people, as I said, often have places to go.",5190.74,5194.88,{"idx":4580,"utterance_id":4581,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4582,"start_s":4583,"end_s":4584,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},759,"207290","I've talked with mayors from all over Brazil about this.",5195.2,5199.04,{"idx":4586,"utterance_id":4587,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4588,"start_s":4589,"end_s":4590,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},760,"207291","It's a matter of him saying today, 'I'm going to stay here,' and it's unlikely that the public authorities can do anything.",5199.52,5208.12,{"idx":4592,"utterance_id":4593,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4594,"start_s":4595,"end_s":4596,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},761,"207292","And everyone is turning a blind eye to it.",5208.5,5210.82,{"idx":4598,"utterance_id":4599,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4600,"start_s":4601,"end_s":4602,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},762,"207293","It's a problem that doesn't exist.",5211.26,5212.7,{"idx":4604,"utterance_id":4605,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4606,"start_s":4607,"end_s":4608,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},763,"207294","We are blind to it.",5213,5214.08,{"idx":4610,"utterance_id":4611,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4612,"start_s":4613,"end_s":4614,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},764,"207295","There's that issue, Ricardo, that we become accustomed to the nastiness.",5214.72,5218.32,{"idx":4616,"utterance_id":4617,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4618,"start_s":4619,"end_s":4620,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},765,"207296","I've always said that.",5218.76,5219.94,{"idx":4622,"utterance_id":4623,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4624,"start_s":4625,"end_s":4626,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},766,"207297","for many people.",5219.96,5221.04,{"idx":4628,"utterance_id":4629,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4630,"start_s":4631,"end_s":4632,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},767,"207298","Brazil has, for decades, been the world leader in homicides.",5221.46,5226.02,{"idx":4634,"utterance_id":4635,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4636,"start_s":4637,"end_s":4638,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},768,"207299","No one addresses that subject.",5227.12,5228.66,{"idx":4640,"utterance_id":4641,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4642,"start_s":4643,"end_s":4644,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},769,"207300","No war in the world kills half as many people as are killed here in Brazil by organized crime.",5229.22,5235.58,{"idx":4646,"utterance_id":4647,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4648,"start_s":4649,"end_s":4650,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},770,"207301","Everyone... with their eyes closed.",5236.16,5238.62,{"idx":4652,"utterance_id":4653,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4654,"start_s":4655,"end_s":4656,"word_count":272,"indexable":74},771,"207302","Governor, staying on the subject of violence and crime, last week there was a vote in the Chamber of Deputies on that bill that protects children from online crimes, called the Project Against the Adultization of Children, that new term that has emerged.",5238.66,5255.86,{"idx":4658,"utterance_id":4659,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4660,"start_s":4661,"end_s":4662,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},772,"207303","Your new party voted against; it was one of the only parties—or the only party—that voted against.",5256.28,5262.48,{"idx":4664,"utterance_id":4665,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4666,"start_s":4667,"end_s":4668,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},773,"207304","that bill in the Chamber of Deputies.",5263.22,5264.58,{"idx":4670,"utterance_id":4671,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4672,"start_s":4673,"end_s":4674,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},774,"207305","Do you agree with your party's position on this?",5264.8,5267.5,{"idx":4676,"utterance_id":4677,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4678,"start_s":4679,"end_s":4680,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},775,"207306","Do you really think this bill is a bad bill and should not be approved?",5267.54,5271.88,{"idx":4682,"utterance_id":4683,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4684,"start_s":4685,"end_s":4686,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},776,"207307","The bill is about — wasn't that clear?",5271.96,5274.16,{"idx":4688,"utterance_id":4689,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4690,"start_s":4691,"end_s":4692,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},777,"207308","The one called ECA Digital, which is to protect children from online sexual exploitation.",5274.18,5282.42,{"idx":4694,"utterance_id":4695,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":230,"start_s":4696,"end_s":4697,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},778,"207309",5282.92,5283.02,{"idx":4699,"utterance_id":4700,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4701,"start_s":4702,"end_s":4703,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},779,"207310","After that YouTuber made that video that went viral, right?",5283.46,5286.4,{"idx":4705,"utterance_id":4706,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":1220,"start_s":4707,"end_s":4708,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},780,"207311",5286.64,5287.22,{"idx":4710,"utterance_id":4711,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4712,"start_s":4713,"end_s":4714,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},781,"207312","Fábio, my opinion, and the party's too, is the following.",5288.84,5292.42,{"idx":4716,"utterance_id":4717,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4718,"start_s":4719,"end_s":4720,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},782,"207313","That any public communication on social networks, on radio, on TV, on anything, that contains racism, that contains pedophilia—which I think falls into that situation—is content that must be removed.",5293.06,5310.82,{"idx":4722,"utterance_id":4723,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4724,"start_s":4725,"end_s":4726,"word_count":122,"indexable":74},783,"207314","Now, if the party proceeded that way, from what I've been informed, it's because the bill generally includes several topics.",5311.44,5321.44,{"idx":4728,"utterance_id":4729,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4730,"start_s":4731,"end_s":4732,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},784,"207315","Extra items that modify other things to benefit someone.",5321.98,5326.2,{"idx":4734,"utterance_id":4735,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4736,"start_s":4737,"end_s":4738,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},785,"207316","So, our position is really to avoid the exposure of children in pornographic situations, let's say.",5326.84,5336.68,{"idx":4740,"utterance_id":4741,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4742,"start_s":4743,"end_s":4744,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},786,"207317","That is clearly pedophilia to me and to the party as well.",5337.12,5341.38,{"idx":4746,"utterance_id":4747,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4748,"start_s":4749,"end_s":4750,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},787,"207318","But why vote against, then, Governor?",5341.44,5343.28,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":4752,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4753,"start_s":4754,"end_s":4755,"word_count":103,"indexable":74},"207319","Let's look at the bill as a whole.",5344.16,5345.74,{"idx":4757,"utterance_id":4758,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4759,"start_s":4760,"end_s":4761,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},789,"207320","As far as I know, it does not deal only with that.",5346.12,5348.36,{"idx":4763,"utterance_id":4764,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4765,"start_s":4766,"end_s":4767,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},790,"207321","There are various jabutis (riders) or other items, so that in the final analysis you end up embarrassed to say you voted against it, but that would enable a series of other matters.",5348.48,5364.4,{"idx":4769,"utterance_id":4770,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4771,"start_s":4772,"end_s":4773,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},791,"207322","This has been recurring in the party.",5364.82,5366.96,{"idx":4775,"utterance_id":4776,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4777,"start_s":4778,"end_s":4779,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},792,"207323","Our legislature needed, in these cases, to limit the scope of the bill.",5367.52,5374.62,{"idx":4781,"utterance_id":4782,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4783,"start_s":4784,"end_s":4785,"word_count":251,"indexable":74},793,"207324","There are bills that go with one purpose, to vote on environmental preservation of a given area, and they put in a series of jabutis on topics that have nothing to do with it.",5375.06,5388.26,{"idx":4787,"utterance_id":4788,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4789,"start_s":4790,"end_s":4791,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},794,"207325","And the party, being rigorous, considers the whole.",5388.68,5392.26,{"idx":4793,"utterance_id":4794,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4795,"start_s":4796,"end_s":4797,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},795,"207326","But our position is that.",5392.56,5394.3,{"idx":4799,"utterance_id":4800,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4801,"start_s":4802,"end_s":4803,"word_count":130,"indexable":74},796,"207327","And I think the party has already spoken out on this.",5394.34,5396.62,{"idx":4805,"utterance_id":4806,"speaker_name":69,"text":4807,"start_s":4808,"end_s":4809,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},797,"207328","Edilene.",5397.36,5397.8,{"idx":4811,"utterance_id":4812,"speaker_name":69,"text":4813,"start_s":4814,"end_s":4815,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},798,"207329","Governor, today the president of the PL, Valdemar da Costa Neto, in an interview made a statement comparing former president Jair Bolsonaro to Che Guevara, who is a well-known leftist leader.",5398.22,5407.7,{"idx":4817,"utterance_id":4818,"speaker_name":69,"text":4819,"start_s":4820,"end_s":4821,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},799,"207330","What was your reaction when you heard that kind of statement?",5408.56,5410.78,{"idx":4823,"utterance_id":4824,"speaker_name":69,"text":4825,"start_s":4826,"end_s":4827,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},800,"207331","And if you were Bolsonaro, how would you react?",5410.8,5414.24,{"idx":4829,"utterance_id":4830,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4831,"start_s":4832,"end_s":4833,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},801,"207332","I think it was an unfortunate statement, Edilene.",5414.94,5419.56,{"idx":4835,"utterance_id":4836,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4837,"start_s":4838,"end_s":4839,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},802,"207333","Che Guevara was an assassin, first of all; despite being venerated in many places around the world, he was bloodthirsty—someone who, in my opinion, should be swept from history by those who know his biography.",5419.8,5438.34,{"idx":4841,"utterance_id":4842,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4843,"start_s":4844,"end_s":4845,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},803,"207334","So, I think it was an unfair and unfortunate comparison by Valdemar; I think Bolsonaro has nothing to do with Che Guevara's history, nor his ideological positioning, much less with his actions.",5438.84,5455.08,{"idx":4847,"utterance_id":4848,"speaker_name":69,"text":4849,"start_s":4850,"end_s":4851,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},804,"207335","Berta.",5455.82,5456.24,{"idx":4853,"utterance_id":4854,"speaker_name":69,"text":4855,"start_s":4856,"end_s":4857,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},805,"207336","Governor, there has been a lot of talk this week about the possibility of Vice-Governor Matheus Simões joining the PSD.",5456.26,5468.68,{"idx":4859,"utterance_id":4860,"speaker_name":69,"text":4861,"start_s":4862,"end_s":4863,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},806,"207337","Are you following those conversations?",5469.62,5471.92,{"idx":4865,"utterance_id":4866,"speaker_name":69,"text":4867,"start_s":4868,"end_s":4869,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},807,"207338","What is the likelihood that this will occur?",5472.8,5476.56,{"idx":4871,"utterance_id":4872,"speaker_name":69,"text":4873,"start_s":4874,"end_s":4875,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},808,"207339","and it's being taken as a certainty by some people in the PSD bench and also by some people in the government?",5476.58,5484.4,{"idx":4877,"utterance_id":4878,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4879,"start_s":4880,"end_s":4881,"word_count":343,"indexable":74},809,"207340","Yes, Berta, I know he has been talking; this decision will depend a lot on him—he always acts with a lot of transparency, including regarding the Novo party—and certainly we will see the outcome of this decision, I think, in the coming weeks or months.",5485.5,5509.88,{"idx":4883,"utterance_id":4884,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4885,"start_s":4886,"end_s":4887,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},810,"207341","It will depend a lot on the electoral context that is taking shape for 2026.",5510.42,5515.48,{"idx":4889,"utterance_id":4890,"speaker_name":69,"text":4891,"start_s":4892,"end_s":4893,"word_count":149,"indexable":74},811,"207342","Governor, I didn't want to end without speaking a little about Mariana and Brumadinho.",5516.76,5521.08,{"idx":4895,"utterance_id":4896,"speaker_name":69,"text":4897,"start_s":4898,"end_s":4899,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},812,"207343","The effects are still being felt in the communities that were devastated by these disasters, these environmental tragedies.",5521.36,5529.24,{"idx":4901,"utterance_id":4902,"speaker_name":69,"text":4903,"start_s":4904,"end_s":4905,"word_count":372,"indexable":74},813,"207344","I would like to know how the agreements to... compensate the victims are progressing, in short, how that has gone, and whether you consider that today Minas Gerais' environmental legislation would prevent a new tragedy like this, given that many people believe it is very lenient toward the mining companies.",5530.2,5553.38,{"idx":4907,"utterance_id":4908,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4909,"start_s":4910,"end_s":4911,"word_count":278,"indexable":74},814,"207345","When the Brumadinho tragedy happened, on January 25, 2019, I said I would be the last governor of Minas to face this type of tragedy that had already been repeated several times in the past.",5554.8,5572.32,{"idx":4913,"utterance_id":4914,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4915,"start_s":4916,"end_s":4917,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},815,"207346","Since then, the Mar de Lama Nunca Mais law was approved; of the 53 upstream-built dams that posed some kind of risk, 17 no longer exist.",5573.16,5589.3,{"idx":4919,"utterance_id":4920,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4921,"start_s":4922,"end_s":4923,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},816,"207347","The others are being emptied, decommissioned.",5590.04,5594.46,{"idx":4925,"utterance_id":4926,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4927,"start_s":4928,"end_s":4929,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},817,"207348","So, day by day, the State is exposed to a lower risk.",5595,5600.74,{"idx":4931,"utterance_id":4932,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4933,"start_s":4934,"end_s":4935,"word_count":108,"indexable":74},818,"207349","And since these involve millions of tons, this will still take a few years to happen.",5601.48,5607.8,{"idx":4937,"utterance_id":4938,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4939,"start_s":4940,"end_s":4941,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},819,"207350","And in the Brumadinho tragedy, in which we had 272 victims, we... we imposed a fine on the company in the largest amount in history up to that point, 37.5 billion reais.",5608.62,5624.8,{"idx":4943,"utterance_id":4944,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4945,"start_s":4946,"end_s":4947,"word_count":124,"indexable":74},820,"207351","None of it went to the public coffers of Minas Gerais.",5625.74,5628.98,{"idx":4949,"utterance_id":4950,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4951,"start_s":4952,"end_s":4953,"word_count":135,"indexable":74},821,"207352","Everything was destined to repair, to compensate those affected, the victims, etc.",5629.62,5637.36,{"idx":4955,"utterance_id":4956,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4957,"start_s":4958,"end_s":4959,"word_count":296,"indexable":74},822,"207353","And today we have a website... a monitoring system prepared by the Getúlio Vargas Foundation, where all the compensation and reparation actions, the works that were decided via public hearings — nothing was imposed — can be followed with 100% transparency.",5638.58,5662.78,{"idx":4961,"utterance_id":4962,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4963,"start_s":4964,"end_s":4965,"word_count":110,"indexable":74},823,"207354","This had never happened in Brazil before.",5663.18,5665.5,{"idx":4967,"utterance_id":4968,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4969,"start_s":4970,"end_s":4971,"word_count":228,"indexable":74},824,"207355","In fact, Vera, what we did regarding the Brumadinho agreement served so that the Mariana agreement could be redone, based exactly on those same principles.",5666.14,5681.08,{"idx":4973,"utterance_id":4974,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4975,"start_s":4976,"end_s":4977,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},825,"207356","So, everything is moving forward.",5681.6,5683.88,{"idx":4979,"utterance_id":4980,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4981,"start_s":4982,"end_s":4983,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},826,"207357","We will have 20 years of works ahead of us in Minas Gerais, which is the term of the Mariana tragedy agreement, benefiting the people of Minas.",5684.34,5693.72,{"idx":4985,"utterance_id":4986,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":4987,"start_s":4988,"end_s":4989,"word_count":160,"indexable":74},827,"207358","Remember that before this remained in litigation, only the lawyers winning, and we resolved everything.",5694.2,5700.78,{"idx":4991,"utterance_id":4992,"speaker_name":69,"text":333,"start_s":4993,"end_s":4994,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},828,"207359",5701.32,5701.88,{"idx":4996,"utterance_id":4997,"speaker_name":69,"text":4998,"start_s":4999,"end_s":5000,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},829,"207360","Governor, thank you for the interview.",5701.92,5703.82,{"idx":5002,"utterance_id":5003,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":5004,"start_s":5005,"end_s":5006,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},830,"207361","No, thank you.",5704.48,5705.4,{"idx":5008,"utterance_id":5009,"speaker_name":167,"speaker_slug":168,"text":5010,"start_s":5011,"end_s":5012,"word_count":117,"indexable":74},831,"207362","A pleasure to 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