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leadership, but political leadership.",882.72,887.16,{"idx":991,"utterance_id":992,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":993,"start_s":994,"end_s":995,"word_count":177,"indexable":75},155,"64241","Lula was imprisoned as the result of an arbitrary process that becomes clearer every day.",887.8,894.52,{"idx":997,"utterance_id":998,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":999,"start_s":1000,"end_s":1001,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},156,"64242","It's striking, Haddad, how this scandal of... of The Intercept,",895.34,900.94,{"idx":1003,"utterance_id":1004,"speaker_name":91,"text":1005,"start_s":1006,"end_s":1007,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},157,"64243","in any part of",901.08,901.52,{"idx":1009,"utterance_id":1010,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1011,"start_s":1012,"end_s":1013,"word_count":335,"indexable":75},158,"64244","the world, the proven partial conduct of a judge, a judge colluding with the prosecution to imprison a person, acting as the prosecution's press officer, acting as the prosecution's advisor — this individual, if he were Minister of Justice anywhere else, would already have fallen.",901.62,921.2,{"idx":1015,"utterance_id":1016,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1017,"start_s":1018,"end_s":1019,"word_count":189,"indexable":75},159,"64245","And if a former President of the Republic had been imprisoned in this process of collusion anywhere else, he would already have been released.",921.76,928.24,{"idx":1021,"utterance_id":1022,"speaker_name":91,"text":1023,"start_s":1024,"end_s":1025,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},160,"64246","It's remarkable",928.82,930.1,{"idx":1027,"utterance_id":1028,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1029,"start_s":1030,"end_s":1031,"word_count":359,"indexable":75},161,"64247","the degree of democratic anomie we have today in Brazil, which causes Lula to remain imprisoned, which means the Superior Courts have not taken up all the facts on the table and released Lula, and which causes Moro to remain Minister of Justice.",930.7,945.52,{"idx":1033,"utterance_id":1034,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1035,"start_s":1036,"end_s":1037,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},162,"64248","It's a sign of the democratic crisis we are living through.",945.6,948.32,{"idx":1039,"utterance_id":1040,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1041,"start_s":1042,"end_s":1043,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},163,"64249","Lula, I find it strange, I wanted your opinion.",948.44,950.6,{"idx":1045,"utterance_id":1046,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1047,"start_s":1048,"end_s":1049,"word_count":108,"indexable":75},164,"64250","What's happening in Brazil?",950.9,952.66,{"idx":1051,"utterance_id":1052,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1053,"start_s":1054,"end_s":1055,"word_count":170,"indexable":75},165,"64251","In your opinion; I'm not here to give mine, I'm here to hear yours.",953.06,957.04,{"idx":1057,"utterance_id":1058,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1059,"start_s":1060,"end_s":1061,"word_count":102,"indexable":75},166,"64252","What explains this process?",957.78,959.46,{"idx":1063,"utterance_id":1064,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1065,"start_s":1066,"end_s":1067,"word_count":283,"indexable":75},167,"64253","You know, Haddad, many times we asked ourselves, I asked myself, during the electoral process — we lived that electoral process as active participants — but after the electoral process, how did we get to this point?",960.86,977.7,{"idx":1069,"utterance_id":1070,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1071,"start_s":1072,"end_s":1073,"word_count":283,"indexable":75},168,"64254","How does a citizen, a former reserve captain, a defender of the military dictatorship, who praises torturers, who said during the electoral campaign, in a country like ours, that the worker would have to choose between employment and rights.",978.66,998.1,{"idx":1075,"utterance_id":1076,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1077,"start_s":1078,"end_s":1079,"word_count":271,"indexable":75},169,"64255","How does a guy like that become President of the Republic and manage to carry a cry from sectors of society to defend him and continue supporting his government, even after these disastrous six months?",999.54,1012.6,{"idx":1081,"utterance_id":1082,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1083,"start_s":1084,"end_s":1085,"word_count":120,"indexable":75},170,"64256","I think it was a meeting of crises.",1014.14,1016.56,{"idx":1087,"utterance_id":1088,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1089,"start_s":1090,"end_s":1091,"word_count":43,"indexable":75},171,"64257","You know, at one point I even thought, damn, did Brazil swing so far to the extreme right, to fascism, are we in that?",1017.56,1024.46,{"idx":1093,"utterance_id":1094,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1095,"start_s":1096,"end_s":1097,"word_count":143,"indexable":75},172,"64258","There was a fact that helped me understand the situation a bit.",1025.22,1027.56,{"idx":1099,"utterance_id":1100,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1101,"start_s":1102,"end_s":1103,"word_count":365,"indexable":75},173,"64259","A few days before the first round of the election, I was arriving home after that debate we went to in Rio, on TV Globo; there was one day left until the election, I had been campaigning, I was arriving home, I stopped the car at a traffic light at night on Estrada do Campo Limpo.",1027.84,1043.74,{"idx":1105,"utterance_id":1106,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1107,"start_s":1108,"end_s":1109,"word_count":175,"indexable":75},174,"64260","And then, there was a young man in the car next to me, he recognized me, knocked on the window and asked me to roll it down.",1044.8,1049.28,{"idx":1111,"utterance_id":1112,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1113,"start_s":1114,"end_s":1115,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},175,"64261","I rolled the window down, he said, 'Are you Boulos?'",1049.86,1051.96,{"idx":1117,"utterance_id":1118,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1119,"start_s":1120,"end_s":1121,"word_count":108,"indexable":75},176,"64262","I said, 'I am Boulos.'",1052.36,1053.42,{"idx":1123,"utterance_id":1124,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1125,"start_s":1126,"end_s":1127,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},177,"64263","'Man, I like what you said, you put your finger on the wound, you did well in the debate, I liked what you said.'",1053.78,1059.54,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1129,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1130,"start_s":1131,"end_s":1132,"word_count":137,"indexable":75},"64264","'If I weren't going to vote for Bolsonaro, I'd vote for you.'",1059.78,1061.8,{"idx":1134,"utterance_id":1135,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1136,"start_s":1137,"end_s":1138,"word_count":143,"indexable":75},179,"64265","Then I thought, at the moment I got pissed off, what is this?",1063.82,1066.46,{"idx":1140,"utterance_id":1141,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1142,"start_s":1143,"end_s":1144,"word_count":108,"indexable":75},180,"64266","I thought, what was there?",1067.08,1069,{"idx":1146,"utterance_id":1147,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1148,"start_s":1149,"end_s":1150,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},181,"64267","That kid, that young man, wasn't a fascist.",1070.12,1073.42,{"idx":1152,"utterance_id":1153,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1154,"start_s":1155,"end_s":1156,"word_count":156,"indexable":75},182,"64268","He wasn't from the extreme right; he was a young man from São Paulo's periphery, poor.",1074,1077.44,{"idx":1158,"utterance_id":1159,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1160,"start_s":1161,"end_s":1162,"word_count":184,"indexable":75},183,"64269","What went through his head and that of millions of others to support and carry this wave?",1079.48,1085.68,{"idx":1164,"utterance_id":1165,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1166,"start_s":1167,"end_s":1168,"word_count":323,"indexable":75},184,"64270","I think that, on one hand, there was the result of the economic crisis, which has been ongoing since 2008 and deepened from 2014-2015, above all with an option for fiscal adjustment, which left people hopeless about the future, Haddad.",1086.68,1103.38,{"idx":1170,"utterance_id":1171,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1172,"start_s":1173,"end_s":1174,"word_count":234,"indexable":75},185,"64271","I met a woman there in Recife, during the campaign as well, in a stilt house, who told me, 'before I was certain my son would live better than I did.'",1103.44,1112.52,{"idx":1176,"utterance_id":1177,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1178,"start_s":1179,"end_s":1180,"word_count":143,"indexable":75},186,"64272","Today I don't know what will happen next week.",1113.22,1114.74,{"idx":1182,"utterance_id":1183,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1184,"start_s":1185,"end_s":1186,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},187,"64273","People have begun to realize that the castle has fallen.",1116.82,1120.94,{"idx":1188,"utterance_id":1189,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1190,"start_s":1191,"end_s":1192,"word_count":312,"indexable":75},188,"64274","And I think one message that the 2008 crisis gave to the whole world, because this wave of the far right wasn't only here, was a message: look, now, in this new phase of capitalism, there's no room for everyone.",1122.8,1133.14,{"idx":1194,"utterance_id":1195,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1196,"start_s":1197,"end_s":1198,"word_count":137,"indexable":75},189,"64275","It was a disenchantment with the prospects that had been created.",1135.12,1138.78,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1200,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1201,"start_s":1202,"end_s":1203,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},"64276","But combine that economic crisis with a political crisis of representation, with people not feeling represented by the political system, which is also, to some extent, an international phenomenon.",1139.86,1150.72,{"idx":1205,"utterance_id":1206,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1207,"start_s":1208,"end_s":1209,"word_count":182,"indexable":75},191,"64277","You take the 15M in Spain, the movements in Turkey, you take what happened — with all the complexities and contradictions — also in June 2013 here; there was also a kind of brew of political agitation, of dissatisfaction with everything and everyone.",1150.8,1165.18,{"idx":1211,"utterance_id":1212,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1213,"start_s":1214,"end_s":1215,"word_count":156,"indexable":75},192,"64278","Italy and those processes that don't represent us, which contain a kernel of truth.",1166.66,1174.9,{"idx":1217,"utterance_id":1218,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1219,"start_s":1220,"end_s":1221,"word_count":191,"indexable":75},193,"64279","Because there is a real crisis in liberal democracies of representation, of the appropriation of the State by large corporations.",1174.94,1182.54,{"idx":1223,"utterance_id":1224,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1225,"start_s":1226,"end_s":1227,"word_count":96,"indexable":75},194,"64280","Evidently, there is a crisis.",1183.94,1185.34,{"idx":1229,"utterance_id":1230,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1231,"start_s":1232,"end_s":1233,"word_count":60,"indexable":75},195,"64281","Today in Brazil we are, and Bolsonaro is a by-product of this, experiencing a crisis of coalition presidentialism, of the system of the new republic.",1185.5,1192.24,{"idx":1235,"utterance_id":1236,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1237,"start_s":1238,"end_s":1239,"word_count":88,"indexable":75},196,"64282","That is visible.",1192.32,1193.28,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1241,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1242,"start_s":1243,"end_s":1244,"word_count":120,"indexable":75},"64283","Operation Car Wash amplified this here to the extreme.",1194.06,1197.78,{"idx":1246,"utterance_id":1247,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1248,"start_s":1249,"end_s":1250,"word_count":277,"indexable":75},198,"64284","Operation Car Wash generated... and intensified the feeling of anti-politics, of rejection of politics, which created the conditions for someone like Bolsonaro to appear as a savior of the country, a guy who would put the house in 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right.",1236.56,1243.76,{"idx":1270,"utterance_id":1271,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1272,"start_s":1273,"end_s":1274,"word_count":49,"indexable":75},202,"64288","I think that would be a mistake and would not help us think about what we have to do now, the challenges we face.",1243.8,1249.06,{"idx":1276,"utterance_id":1277,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1278,"start_s":1279,"end_s":1280,"word_count":143,"indexable":75},203,"64289","Which is not the challenge of dealing with 57 million fascists.",1249.72,1254.22,{"idx":1282,"utterance_id":1283,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1284,"start_s":1285,"end_s":1286,"word_count":108,"indexable":75},204,"64290","We don't have that in Brazil.",1254.46,1255.4,{"idx":1288,"utterance_id":1289,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1290,"start_s":1291,"end_s":1292,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},205,"64291","Now, bonus.",1255.92,1256.54,{"idx":1294,"utterance_id":1295,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1296,"start_s":1297,"end_s":1298,"word_count":234,"indexable":75},206,"64292","What does he represent of this past of ours that appears to be returning with force, and to what extent is he an expression of a global context of crisis in international capitalism?",1258.1,1268.7,{"idx":1300,"utterance_id":1301,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1302,"start_s":1303,"end_s":1304,"word_count":218,"indexable":75},207,"64293","I think Bolsonaro is the result of multiple factors, an unhappy meeting of circumstances, what Machiavelli called fortune in history.",1269.54,1281,{"idx":1306,"utterance_id":1307,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1308,"start_s":1309,"end_s":1310,"word_count":60,"indexable":75},208,"64294","Take this international phenomenon of the economic and political crisis, take, evidently, Lula's arbitrary removal from the electoral process.",1282.96,1293.28,{"idx":1312,"utterance_id":1313,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1314,"start_s":1315,"end_s":1316,"word_count":191,"indexable":75},209,"64295","Take the fact that urban violence exploded: the latest atlas of violence, 65 thousand homicides in 2017.",1294.22,1304.6,{"idx":1318,"utterance_id":1319,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1320,"start_s":1321,"end_s":1322,"word_count":120,"indexable":75},210,"64296","That was the most recent data we have.",1305.38,1307.52,{"idx":1324,"utterance_id":1325,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1326,"start_s":1327,"end_s":1328,"word_count":43,"indexable":75},211,"64297","And this with late-afternoon TV shows every day, exuding blood, saying that we need something tough, we need more... More police, more beatings, more imprisonment.",1308.12,1318.26,{"idx":1330,"utterance_id":1331,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1332,"start_s":1333,"end_s":1334,"word_count":164,"indexable":75},212,"64298","And take, I have no doubt, this vector of a past never overcome.",1320.88,1330.66,{"idx":1336,"utterance_id":1337,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1338,"start_s":1339,"end_s":1340,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},213,"64299","To what extent is the left prepared — or not — to reassume a political leading role?",1331.18,1336.52,{"idx":1342,"utterance_id":1343,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1344,"start_s":1345,"end_s":1346,"word_count":143,"indexable":75},214,"64300","I think there are two aspects of this debate that I'd like to touch on.",1336.7,1340.52,{"idx":1348,"utterance_id":1349,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1350,"start_s":1351,"end_s":1352,"word_count":347,"indexable":75},215,"64301","One of them is that... I think the Latin American left, above all, had an opportunity in the pre-crisis period, in the first decade of the 21st century, to make more structural transformations in the system, which perhaps, when the crisis came, this left could have responded to with better conditions, with more backing than what remained.",1341.36,1371.16,{"idx":1354,"utterance_id":1355,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1356,"start_s":1357,"end_s":1358,"word_count":9,"indexable":75},216,"64302","For the following reason... And here we'll naturally use the example of the governing experience of Lula, of Dilma, of the 13 years of PT government in Brazil.",1371.7,1381.04,{"idx":1360,"utterance_id":1361,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1362,"start_s":1363,"end_s":1364,"word_count":371,"indexable":75},217,"64303","It was a period of poverty reduction, it was a period of extremely important social policies; you participated in that as part of the government, in education policies, but across all areas there were important advances for our people, especially for the poorest people, and that is in popular memory.",1381.96,1400.46,{"idx":1366,"utterance_id":1367,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1368,"start_s":1369,"end_s":1370,"word_count":43,"indexable":75},218,"64304","Now, this was done without making a political choice or political evaluation that it was insufficient, and without confronting certain archaic structures that remained in our country.",1402.68,1415.2,{"idx":1372,"utterance_id":1373,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1374,"start_s":1375,"end_s":1376,"word_count":108,"indexable":75},219,"64305","For example, that of the political system.",1415.26,1416.48,{"idx":1378,"utterance_id":1379,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1380,"start_s":1381,"end_s":1382,"word_count":108,"indexable":75},220,"64306","A political reform was not pursued.",1416.94,1418.5,{"idx":1384,"utterance_id":1385,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1386,"start_s":1387,"end_s":1388,"word_count":177,"indexable":75},221,"64307","For example, that of the media system, which remains profoundly oligopolized, concentrated — the mainstream media in Brazil.",1419.24,1428.44,{"idx":1390,"utterance_id":1391,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1392,"start_s":1393,"end_s":1394,"word_count":335,"indexable":75},222,"64308","A scene from Democracia em Vertigem stuck in my memory; you must have already seen the film, in which Petra Costa recalls that shortly before the June 2013 demonstrations, Dilma went on TV and gave a strong speech against the banks.",1428.54,1452.74,{"idx":1396,"utterance_id":1397,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":1398,"start_s":1399,"end_s":1400,"word_count":108,"indexable":75},223,"64309","Do you think that was too late?",1453.02,1455.66,{"idx":1402,"utterance_id":1403,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1404,"start_s":1405,"end_s":1406,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},224,"64310","What did Dilma do from 2012 on?",1455.88,1458.06,{"idx":1408,"utterance_id":1409,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1410,"start_s":1411,"end_s":1412,"word_count":96,"indexable":75},225,"64311","which the documentary shows.",1458.9,1460.2,{"idx":1414,"utterance_id":1415,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1416,"start_s":1417,"end_s":1418,"word_count":295,"indexable":75},226,"64312","I think confronting the interests of the banks — that is, reducing the banking spread — was what she did, and using public banks to reduce interest rates is extremely correct, it is necessary.",1460.56,1471.32,{"idx":1420,"utterance_id":1421,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1422,"start_s":1423,"end_s":1424,"word_count":191,"indexable":75},227,"64313","What part there do I think was a mistake and helped create a fiscal problem?",1471.98,1476.26,{"idx":1426,"utterance_id":1427,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1428,"start_s":1429,"end_s":1430,"word_count":74,"indexable":75},228,"64314","The tax exemptions.",1476.7,1477.42,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1432,"speaker_name":158,"speaker_slug":159,"text":1433,"start_s":1434,"end_s":1435,"word_count":27,"indexable":75},"64315","Those billions of reais in tax exemptions for large companies, with no employment counterpart, many of which sent the money to their parent companies in the United States to bolster cash during the 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