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the political decision — what does the Constitution give the president?",568.04,572.54,{"idx":730,"utterance_id":731,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":732,"start_s":733,"end_s":734,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},94,"205357","I am not infringing on anyone.",574.34,575.56,{"idx":736,"utterance_id":737,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":738,"start_s":739,"end_s":740,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},95,"205358","I have my prerogative.",576.78,578.06,{"idx":742,"utterance_id":743,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":744,"start_s":745,"end_s":746,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},96,"205359","The prerogative belongs to the President of the Republic.",578.98,581.2,{"idx":748,"utterance_id":749,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":750,"start_s":751,"end_s":752,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},97,"205360","I exercise it in its 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destroyed?",1355.02,1357.78,{"idx":1887,"utterance_id":1888,"speaker_name":176,"text":1889,"start_s":1890,"end_s":1891,"word_count":307,"indexable":181},289,"205552","Because when you said presidentialism was destroyed, it was because Congress had taken a lot of power through parliamentary amendments.",1357.8,1364.48,{"idx":1893,"utterance_id":1894,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":1895,"start_s":1896,"end_s":1897,"word_count":229,"indexable":181},290,"205553","Pay attention: it's the person who holds the office, okay?",1364.58,1369.4,{"idx":1899,"utterance_id":1900,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":1901,"start_s":1902,"end_s":1903,"word_count":214,"indexable":181},291,"205554","It's the man or woman who occupies it, whoever it may be, who makes the office.",1369.62,1374.38,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1905,"speaker_name":176,"text":1906,"start_s":1907,"end_s":1908,"word_count":229,"indexable":181},"205555","No, it's the laws and the Constitution, right?",1375.08,1377.06,{"idx":1910,"utterance_id":1911,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":1912,"start_s":1913,"end_s":1914,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},293,"205556","Are you going to be a 'banana' president, Yuri?",1377.3,1379.14,{"idx":1916,"utterance_id":1917,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":1918,"start_s":1919,"end_s":1920,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},294,"205557","A 'banana' president?",1379.16,1380.14,{"idx":1922,"utterance_id":1923,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":1924,"start_s":1925,"end_s":1926,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},295,"205558","I don't think I'll be president.",1380.16,1383.6,{"idx":1928,"utterance_id":1929,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":1930,"start_s":1931,"end_s":1932,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},296,"205559","An amorphous 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chair.",1397.14,1401,{"idx":1958,"utterance_id":1959,"speaker_name":176,"text":1960,"start_s":1961,"end_s":1962,"word_count":190,"indexable":181},301,"205564","What for?",1401.06,1401.44,{"idx":1964,"utterance_id":1965,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":1966,"start_s":1967,"end_s":1968,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},302,"205565","But aren't you the President of the Republic?",1401.86,1403.72,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":1970,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":1971,"start_s":1972,"end_s":1973,"word_count":15,"indexable":181},"205566","You have to call the president of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), the president of the National Congress, the Federal Court of Accounts, and have the maturity to sit with them and discuss national problems.",1404.42,1414.48,{"idx":1975,"utterance_id":1976,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":1977,"start_s":1978,"end_s":1979,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},304,"205567","It's not about sending a message to one, a message to another, no.",1414.96,1417.92,{"idx":1981,"utterance_id":1982,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":1983,"start_s":1984,"end_s":1985,"word_count":229,"indexable":181},305,"205568","It's face to face, in the hardest of times.",1418.72,1422.52,{"idx":1987,"utterance_id":1988,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":1989,"start_s":1990,"end_s":1991,"word_count":307,"indexable":181},306,"205569","I had the courage to be the first governor in the country to issue the social isolation decree during Covid.",1423.64,1431.1,{"idx":1993,"utterance_id":1994,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":1995,"start_s":1996,"end_s":1997,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},307,"205570","He was the first to have the courage to do that.",1431.82,1434.28,{"idx":1999,"utterance_id":2000,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2001,"start_s":2002,"end_s":2003,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},308,"205571","Ronaldo 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president.",1465.64,1467.06,{"idx":2046,"utterance_id":2047,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2048,"start_s":2049,"end_s":2050,"word_count":248,"indexable":181},316,"205579","In the absence of the president, the other powers take over the government.",1467.66,1472.92,{"idx":2052,"utterance_id":2053,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2054,"start_s":2055,"end_s":2056,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},317,"205580","And the president of the Republic is nullified.",1474.26,1475.5,{"idx":2058,"utterance_id":2059,"speaker_name":176,"text":2060,"start_s":2061,"end_s":2062,"word_count":229,"indexable":181},318,"205581","Since when has this been happening here in Brazil?",1475.52,1477.02,{"idx":2064,"utterance_id":2065,"speaker_name":176,"text":2066,"start_s":2067,"end_s":2068,"word_count":207,"indexable":181},319,"205582","Just quickly, since when... is the presidential chair, then, in this condition?",1477.98,1482.4,{"idx":2070,"utterance_id":2071,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2072,"start_s":2073,"end_s":2074,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},320,"205583","You are now witnessing a complete collapse.",1482.42,1484.8,{"idx":2076,"utterance_id":2077,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2078,"start_s":2079,"end_s":2080,"word_count":235,"indexable":181},321,"205584","There is nothing left, you don't see anything else.",1484.98,1485.88,{"idx":2082,"utterance_id":2083,"speaker_name":176,"text":2084,"start_s":2085,"end_s":2086,"word_count":235,"indexable":181},322,"205585","But is it only this government, or past governments too?",1485.9,1487.6,{"idx":2088,"utterance_id":2089,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2090,"start_s":2091,"end_s":2092,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},323,"205586","No, but there are 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for a great statesman after Juscelino Kubitschek, it would really leave a lot to be desired.",1495.1,1500.7,{"idx":2124,"utterance_id":2125,"speaker_name":176,"text":2126,"start_s":2127,"end_s":2128,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},329,"205592","So it's been a long time.",1500.82,1501.54,{"idx":2130,"utterance_id":2131,"speaker_name":176,"text":2132,"start_s":2133,"end_s":2134,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},330,"205593","We're going to a break now.",1501.62,1503.14,{"idx":2136,"utterance_id":2137,"speaker_name":176,"text":2138,"start_s":2139,"end_s":2140,"word_count":294,"indexable":181},331,"205594","You saw that the program is really heated, so it's time for everyone to have a drink of water and then continue here.",1503.18,1507.7,{"idx":2142,"utterance_id":2143,"speaker_name":176,"text":2144,"start_s":2145,"end_s":2146,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},332,"205595","On Roda Viva with Reinaldo 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later.",1632.54,1633.76,{"idx":2232,"utterance_id":2233,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2234,"start_s":2235,"end_s":2236,"word_count":266,"indexable":181},347,"205610","If a center-right candidate wins the elections, he needs to show what he has come to do.",1635.08,1641.38,{"idx":2238,"utterance_id":2239,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2240,"start_s":2241,"end_s":2242,"word_count":307,"indexable":181},348,"205611","And for that, at no time — not an hour, not a minute, not a day — should he contemplate the possibility of seeking re-election.",1642.64,1650.76,{"idx":2244,"utterance_id":2245,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2246,"start_s":2247,"end_s":2248,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},349,"205612","His measures must be aimed at rescuing.",1651.7,1656.4,{"idx":2250,"utterance_id":2251,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2252,"start_s":2253,"end_s":2254,"word_count":273,"indexable":181},350,"205613","A country that has been severely punished by corruption, violence, incompetence, and complicity.",1657,1666.94,{"idx":2256,"utterance_id":2257,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2258,"start_s":2259,"end_s":2260,"word_count":240,"indexable":181},351,"205614","All of that has to be dealt with through tough measures by those who have the moral authority.",1668.32,1673.44,{"idx":2262,"utterance_id":2263,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2264,"start_s":2265,"end_s":2266,"word_count":21,"indexable":181},352,"205615","Because if the person who gets there is someone's appointee, or a mouthpiece for those who put him there not by the popular will, he will not govern.",1674.28,1684.98,{"idx":2268,"utterance_id":2269,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2270,"start_s":2271,"end_s":2272,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},353,"205616","So this election for me is a watershed.",1685.9,1689.18,{"idx":2274,"utterance_id":2275,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2276,"start_s":2277,"end_s":2278,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},354,"205617","This is how I understand this election.",1690.18,1691.52,{"idx":2280,"utterance_id":2281,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2282,"start_s":2283,"end_s":2284,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},355,"205618","This election is no longer just another one; it is the election.",1691.56,1694.72,{"idx":2286,"utterance_id":2287,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2288,"start_s":2289,"end_s":2290,"word_count":576,"indexable":181},356,"205619","It is the election in which we will find out whether Brazil will move toward modernity, toward advances in technology, innovation, artificial intelligence, research, and quality education — or whether we will move precisely in the direction of increasingly holding poverty hostage, further weakening education, and increasingly becoming a dependent country of others, simply an importer of technology that develops nothing here in the country.",1695.74,1726.9,{"idx":2292,"utterance_id":2293,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2294,"start_s":2295,"end_s":2296,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},357,"205620","Say that again.",1727.04,1728.04,{"idx":2298,"utterance_id":2299,"speaker_name":176,"text":2300,"start_s":2301,"end_s":2302,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},358,"205621","He had asked; later you can...",1728.4,1729.78,{"idx":2304,"utterance_id":2305,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2306,"start_s":2307,"end_s":2308,"word_count":266,"indexable":181},359,"205622","You, in the previous block, said that the first action would be amnesty.",1729.94,1735.14,{"idx":2310,"utterance_id":2311,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2312,"start_s":2313,"end_s":2314,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},360,"205623","Could that overturn decisions of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)?",1735.66,1738.22,{"idx":2316,"utterance_id":2317,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2318,"start_s":2319,"end_s":2320,"word_count":248,"indexable":181},361,"205624","Do you think the Senate... What could it be?",1739.4,1740.68,{"idx":2322,"utterance_id":2323,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2324,"start_s":2325,"end_s":2326,"word_count":248,"indexable":181},362,"205625","That is, with your amnesty, will you challenge decisions of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)?",1741.44,1745.66,{"idx":2328,"utterance_id":2329,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2330,"start_s":2331,"end_s":2332,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},363,"205626","Any potential convictions that may happen now.",1746.38,1748.24,{"idx":2334,"utterance_id":2335,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2336,"start_s":2337,"end_s":2338,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},364,"205627","It will not be a decision of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",1748.26,1748.92,{"idx":2340,"utterance_id":2341,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2342,"start_s":2343,"end_s":2344,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},365,"205628","The decision of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) is not sovereign.",1749.2,1750.98,{"idx":2346,"utterance_id":2347,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2348,"start_s":2349,"end_s":2350,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},366,"205629","No, let me finish.",1751.26,1752.94,{"idx":2352,"utterance_id":2353,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2354,"start_s":2355,"end_s":2356,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},367,"205630","The Brazilian Constitution gives the president that prerogative, correct?",1752.96,1755.16,{"idx":2358,"utterance_id":2359,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2360,"start_s":2361,"end_s":2362,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},368,"205631","Let me complete the point.",1755.18,1756.46,{"idx":2364,"utterance_id":2365,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2366,"start_s":2367,"end_s":2368,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},369,"205632","All right then.",1756.5,1757,{"idx":2370,"utterance_id":2371,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2372,"start_s":2373,"end_s":2374,"word_count":240,"indexable":181},370,"205633","So I would be exercising it; I would not be usurping a prerogative of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",1757.04,1763.74,{"idx":2376,"utterance_id":2377,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2378,"start_s":2379,"end_s":2380,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},371,"205634","The president has that prerogative.",1764.84,1766.46,{"idx":2382,"utterance_id":2383,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2384,"start_s":2385,"end_s":2386,"word_count":248,"indexable":181},372,"205635","It's just a political matter concerning the relationship between the branches of government.",1766.66,1769.82,{"idx":2388,"utterance_id":2389,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2390,"start_s":2391,"end_s":2392,"word_count":246,"indexable":181},373,"205636","Do you think the Senate should act more to limit the powers of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)?",1770.24,1775.1,{"idx":2394,"utterance_id":2395,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2396,"start_s":2397,"end_s":2398,"word_count":207,"indexable":181},374,"205637","What is your opinion today about the performance of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)?",1775.36,1777.8,{"idx":2400,"utterance_id":2401,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2402,"start_s":2403,"end_s":2404,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},375,"205638","About the performance of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)?",1778.56,1779.74,{"idx":2406,"utterance_id":2407,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2408,"start_s":2409,"end_s":2410,"word_count":294,"indexable":181},376,"205639","I defend it — it's my personal position — and I had the opportunity to present this when I served as a senator of the Republic.",1781.42,1790.12,{"idx":2412,"utterance_id":2413,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2414,"start_s":2415,"end_s":2416,"word_count":21,"indexable":181},377,"205640","I think this gives the STF a profile capable of ensuring that a person has a defined beginning and end to their term.",1792.66,1801.7,{"idx":2418,"utterance_id":2419,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2420,"start_s":2421,"end_s":2422,"word_count":27,"indexable":181},378,"205641","The condition of interim status up to 75 years of age creates not only a situation of complacency but also an expansion of powers and prerogatives.",1803.7,1821.54,{"idx":2424,"utterance_id":2425,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2426,"start_s":2427,"end_s":2428,"word_count":300,"indexable":181},379,"205642","I believe that a fixed term is, let's say, much more appropriate for the moment Brazil is going through.",1822.16,1830.68,{"idx":2430,"utterance_id":2431,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2432,"start_s":2433,"end_s":2434,"word_count":43,"indexable":181},380,"205643","With a fixed term, the person has served their mandate, there is the vacancy for the next, who will be simply appointed to occupy the post on the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",1831.06,1840.04,{"idx":2436,"utterance_id":2437,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2438,"start_s":2439,"end_s":2440,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},381,"205644","That is my specific view on this matter.",1840.38,1843.22,{"idx":2442,"utterance_id":2443,"speaker_name":176,"text":2444,"start_s":2445,"end_s":2446,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},382,"205645","Débora and then Bianca.",1843.78,1845.56,{"idx":2448,"utterance_id":2449,"speaker_name":176,"text":2450,"start_s":2451,"end_s":2452,"word_count":471,"indexable":181},383,"205646","Governor, bringing this to current times, still speaking about Jair Bolsonaro's electorate contest, do you believe there should be pressure for the former president not to carry the idea of running in the final stretch, as President Lourinho XVIII did, at the risk of harming rights?",1845.72,1864.34,{"idx":2454,"utterance_id":2455,"speaker_name":176,"text":2456,"start_s":2457,"end_s":2458,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},384,"205647","Would you embrace that pressure?",1864.36,1866.84,{"idx":2460,"utterance_id":2461,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2462,"start_s":2463,"end_s":2464,"word_count":273,"indexable":181},385,"205648","Look... Débora, since 1986 I have been the longest-standing opponent of the PT in Brazil.",1868.8,1880.16,{"idx":2466,"utterance_id":2467,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2468,"start_s":2469,"end_s":2470,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},386,"205649","I have never wavered, right?",1881.7,1885.62,{"idx":2472,"utterance_id":2473,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2474,"start_s":2475,"end_s":2476,"word_count":207,"indexable":181},387,"205650","I have always had a very clear, principled stance in my life.",1885.66,1889.1,{"idx":2478,"utterance_id":2479,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2480,"start_s":2481,"end_s":2482,"word_count":214,"indexable":181},388,"205651","When I defended free enterprise, the market economy, and property rights, no one had the courage to defend them.",1890.12,1896.44,{"idx":2484,"utterance_id":2485,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2486,"start_s":2487,"end_s":2488,"word_count":294,"indexable":181},389,"205652","I came to defend them here. Roda Viva gave me, in 1986, the opportunity to debate this issue.",1896.46,1904.44,{"idx":2490,"utterance_id":2491,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2492,"start_s":2493,"end_s":2494,"word_count":229,"indexable":181},390,"205653","In 1986, I was 36 years old.",1904.46,1908.5,{"idx":2496,"utterance_id":2497,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2498,"start_s":2499,"end_s":2500,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},391,"205654","I came here to debate this issue.",1909.22,1910.56,{"idx":2502,"utterance_id":2503,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2504,"start_s":2505,"end_s":2506,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},392,"205655","And look, that's the beauty of democracy.",1911.96,1914.44,{"idx":2508,"utterance_id":2509,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2510,"start_s":2511,"end_s":2512,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},393,"205656","It's about putting forward your ideas.",1915.94,1917.96,{"idx":2514,"utterance_id":2515,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2516,"start_s":2517,"end_s":2518,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},394,"205657","Well, it is up to former president Bolsonaro to make his decisions.",1918.24,1923.72,{"idx":2520,"utterance_id":2521,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2522,"start_s":2523,"end_s":2524,"word_count":235,"indexable":181},395,"205658","His personal choice must be respected.",1926,1928.22,{"idx":2526,"utterance_id":2527,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2528,"start_s":2529,"end_s":2530,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},396,"205659","If he chooses to run his campaign.",1929,1930.7,{"idx":2532,"utterance_id":2533,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2534,"start_s":2535,"end_s":2536,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},397,"205660","Just as Lula did, right?",1931.26,1934.56,{"idx":2538,"utterance_id":2539,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2540,"start_s":2541,"end_s":2542,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},398,"205661","It's a personal decision of his.",1934.58,1936.62,{"idx":2544,"utterance_id":2545,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2546,"start_s":2547,"end_s":2548,"word_count":273,"indexable":181},399,"205662","As for me, as an aspiring candidate, as a pre-candidate for President of the Republic, what did I do?",1937.02,1943.24,{"idx":2550,"utterance_id":2551,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2552,"start_s":2553,"end_s":2554,"word_count":323,"indexable":181},400,"205663","On April 4th, I went to Salvador, launched my pre-campaign and have been traveling around Brazil, conveying what I have done and my thinking.",1944.08,1953.56,{"idx":2556,"utterance_id":2557,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2558,"start_s":2559,"end_s":2560,"word_count":351,"indexable":181},401,"205664","Having the opportunity to be here on Roda Viva today, to speak to the whole of Brazil for almost two hours about each of my ideas.",1955.08,1964.72,{"idx":2562,"utterance_id":2563,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2564,"start_s":2565,"end_s":2566,"word_count":294,"indexable":181},402,"205665","So, look, this thesis about what will happen — that, for me, is something that does not worry me.",1965.54,1974.46,{"idx":2568,"utterance_id":2569,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2570,"start_s":2571,"end_s":2572,"word_count":190,"indexable":181},403,"205666","Why?",1974.92,1975.24,{"idx":2574,"utterance_id":2575,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2576,"start_s":2577,"end_s":2578,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},404,"205667","Because I have to do my homework.",1975.7,1978.22,{"idx":2580,"utterance_id":2581,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2582,"start_s":2583,"end_s":2584,"word_count":266,"indexable":181},405,"205668","I have every right to be the candidate, to indicate his candidate.",1980.66,1984.06,{"idx":2586,"utterance_id":2587,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2588,"start_s":2589,"end_s":2590,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},406,"205669","That is his prerogative.",1984.42,1985.68,{"idx":2592,"utterance_id":2593,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2594,"start_s":2595,"end_s":2596,"word_count":229,"indexable":181},407,"205670","It's not up to me to interfere in that, to intervene in that.",1985.96,1988.72,{"idx":2598,"utterance_id":2599,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2600,"start_s":2601,"end_s":2602,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},408,"205671","I don't even have the prerogative for that.",1989.26,1990.6,{"idx":2604,"utterance_id":2605,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2606,"start_s":2607,"end_s":2608,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},409,"205672","My prerogative is to be on the move.",1990.7,1991.9,{"idx":2610,"utterance_id":2611,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2612,"start_s":2613,"end_s":2614,"word_count":229,"indexable":181},410,"205673","Look, can you believe in me in 2026?",1992.58,1996.2,{"idx":2616,"utterance_id":2617,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2618,"start_s":2619,"end_s":2620,"word_count":183,"indexable":181},411,"205674","We can.",1996.4,1996.8,{"idx":2622,"utterance_id":2623,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2624,"start_s":2625,"end_s":2626,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},412,"205675","So let's move.",1996.82,1997.44,{"idx":2628,"utterance_id":2629,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2630,"start_s":2631,"end_s":2632,"word_count":273,"indexable":181},413,"205676","I am a person who has never held a post by appointment, always through public competitive exams.",1998.74,2004.06,{"idx":2634,"utterance_id":2635,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2636,"start_s":2637,"end_s":2638,"word_count":214,"indexable":181},414,"205677","Throughout my life I have never had an appointed position; only positions obtained through public exams.",2004.18,2008.14,{"idx":2640,"utterance_id":2641,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2642,"start_s":2643,"end_s":2644,"word_count":246,"indexable":181},415,"205678","So I was never a sponsored candidate, nor have I ever been anyone's puppet candidate.",2008.62,2015.6,{"idx":2646,"utterance_id":2647,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2648,"start_s":2649,"end_s":2650,"word_count":248,"indexable":181},416,"205679","I'm someone who has faced politics my whole life.",2016.64,2020.56,{"idx":2652,"utterance_id":2653,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2654,"start_s":2655,"end_s":2656,"word_count":264,"indexable":181},417,"205680","I have humility: I lost a presidential election in '89 and I lost a gubernatorial election in '94.",2021.1,2026.82,{"idx":2658,"utterance_id":2659,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2660,"start_s":2661,"end_s":2662,"word_count":264,"indexable":181},418,"205681","And yet I have amassed six wins in Congress and two first-round victories for the state's governorship.",2027.32,2033.22,{"idx":2664,"utterance_id":2665,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2666,"start_s":2667,"end_s":2668,"word_count":323,"indexable":181},419,"205682","So I am someone who respects democratic rules, respects electoral legislation, and understands that in the first round several candidates may emerge.",2033.44,2043.44,{"idx":2670,"utterance_id":2671,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2672,"start_s":2673,"end_s":2674,"word_count":214,"indexable":181},420,"205683","Probably, with Lula disintegrating as he is disintegrating, but don't many candidates also show a divided 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only be decided between July 16, 2026 and August 5, 2026.",2202.52,2214.46,{"idx":2866,"utterance_id":2867,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2868,"start_s":2869,"end_s":2870,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},453,"205716","That's called a party convention.",2215.36,2217.82,{"idx":2872,"utterance_id":2873,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2874,"start_s":2875,"end_s":2876,"word_count":220,"indexable":181},454,"205717","So at this moment of the party convention... I believe there won't even be a big debate, because who is going to want to defend a situation today that is, as I have already said, dissolving.",2218.42,2231.44,{"idx":2878,"utterance_id":2879,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2880,"start_s":2881,"end_s":2882,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},455,"205718","So it's at 57% rejection.",2232.46,2236.84,{"idx":2884,"utterance_id":2885,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2886,"start_s":2887,"end_s":2888,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},456,"205719","What is that?",2238.24,2239,{"idx":2890,"utterance_id":2891,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2892,"start_s":2893,"end_s":2894,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},457,"205720","What's behind all of this?",2239.52,2241.42,{"idx":2896,"utterance_id":2897,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2898,"start_s":2899,"end_s":2900,"word_count":240,"indexable":181},458,"205721","It's a government that stopped acting and renounced all of its flagship causes.",2242.04,2246.44,{"idx":2902,"utterance_id":2903,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2904,"start_s":2905,"end_s":2906,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},459,"205722","How can anyone show up today...",2247.38,2248.7,{"idx":2908,"utterance_id":2909,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2910,"start_s":2911,"end_s":2912,"word_count":235,"indexable":181},460,"205723","No, but I am a defender of agrarian reform.",2248.76,2251.6,{"idx":2914,"utterance_id":2915,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2916,"start_s":2917,"end_s":2918,"word_count":235,"indexable":181},461,"205724","You didn't do anything, you only built rural slums.",2253.18,2255.9,{"idx":2920,"utterance_id":2921,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2922,"start_s":2923,"end_s":2924,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},462,"205725","You want to carry out serious reform?",2257.68,2258.72,{"idx":2926,"utterance_id":2927,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2928,"start_s":2929,"end_s":2930,"word_count":248,"indexable":181},463,"205726","Go to Goiás, I'll show you what has been done.",2258.74,2260.74,{"idx":2932,"utterance_id":2933,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2934,"start_s":2935,"end_s":2936,"word_count":294,"indexable":181},464,"205727","Those they left living in slums, I'm building irrigation, bridges, highways, quality income and everything else.",2261.02,2267.72,{"idx":2938,"utterance_id":2939,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2940,"start_s":2941,"end_s":2942,"word_count":207,"indexable":181},465,"205728","Now, suddenly, 'no, I'm a defender of the poorest and humblest.'",2268.16,2272.66,{"idx":2944,"utterance_id":2945,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2946,"start_s":2947,"end_s":2948,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},466,"205729","They became robbers of retirees.",2273.92,2276.28,{"idx":2950,"utterance_id":2951,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2952,"start_s":2953,"end_s":2954,"word_count":264,"indexable":181},467,"205730","How can a government like that say, 'no, I'm a defender of the poorest,' while being robbers of retirees?",2277.88,2284.34,{"idx":2956,"utterance_id":2957,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":2958,"start_s":2959,"end_s":2960,"word_count":43,"indexable":181},468,"205731","Those who were most robbed were precisely the rural pensioners, with CONTAG, representative of the workers, robbing the poor soul who receives a minimal pension.",2285.04,2299.3,{"idx":2962,"utterance_id":2963,"speaker_name":176,"text":2964,"start_s":2965,"end_s":2966,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},469,"205732","Governor, let me pick up a point that Escolares raised.",2299.76,2303.22,{"idx":2968,"utterance_id":2969,"speaker_name":176,"text":2970,"start_s":2971,"end_s":2972,"word_count":246,"indexable":181},470,"205733","You spoke of your trajectory; you were a deputy a long time ago in the Chamber and also a senator.",2303.32,2307.94,{"idx":2974,"utterance_id":2975,"speaker_name":176,"text":2976,"start_s":2977,"end_s":2978,"word_count":388,"indexable":181},471,"205734","Both Lula and Bolsonaro have been saying that next year's Senate election, two seats up for grabs per State — that is, we're talking about two-thirds of the Senate — could be renewed.",2308.82,2319.12,{"idx":2980,"utterance_id":2981,"speaker_name":176,"text":2982,"start_s":2983,"end_s":2984,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},472,"205735","They will be up for grabs.",2319.56,2320.66,{"idx":2986,"utterance_id":2987,"speaker_name":176,"text":2988,"start_s":2989,"end_s":2990,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},473,"205736","What do you think about this contest?",2321.26,2323.14,{"idx":2992,"utterance_id":2993,"speaker_name":176,"text":2994,"start_s":2995,"end_s":2996,"word_count":307,"indexable":181},474,"205737","Would you also want — if you manage to have your candidacy for President of the Republic — to have a strong slate of senators?",2323.18,2329.62,{"idx":2998,"utterance_id":2999,"speaker_name":176,"text":3000,"start_s":3001,"end_s":3002,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},475,"205738","And what should the message be?",2329.64,2330.56,{"idx":3004,"utterance_id":3005,"speaker_name":176,"text":3006,"start_s":3007,"end_s":3008,"word_count":300,"indexable":181},476,"205739","And I know you even have, at home, a pre-candidate for the Senate for Goiás, who is the first lady.",2330.68,2335.98,{"idx":3010,"utterance_id":3011,"speaker_name":176,"text":3012,"start_s":3013,"end_s":3014,"word_count":300,"indexable":181},477,"205740","What message do you think candidates for the Senate should have in next year's election?",2336.68,2340.32,{"idx":3016,"utterance_id":3017,"speaker_name":176,"text":3018,"start_s":3019,"end_s":3020,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},478,"205741","Is it this confrontation with the Supreme Court?",2340.46,2342.14,{"idx":3022,"utterance_id":3023,"speaker_name":176,"text":3024,"start_s":3025,"end_s":3026,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},479,"205742","Is it about thinking of another institutional arrangement for the country?",2342.52,2345.76,{"idx":3028,"utterance_id":3029,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3030,"start_s":3031,"end_s":3032,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},480,"205743","I never governed with confrontation between powers.",2346.98,2350.34,{"idx":3034,"utterance_id":3035,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3036,"start_s":3037,"end_s":3038,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},481,"205744","Never, and not now.",2351.14,2351.8,{"idx":3040,"utterance_id":3041,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3042,"start_s":3043,"end_s":3044,"word_count":190,"indexable":181},482,"205745","Right?",2351.82,2353.34,{"idx":3046,"utterance_id":3047,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3048,"start_s":3049,"end_s":3050,"word_count":273,"indexable":181},483,"205746","I govern with the authority and the responsibility of being governor of the State.",2354.14,2360.94,{"idx":3052,"utterance_id":3053,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3054,"start_s":3055,"end_s":3056,"word_count":207,"indexable":181},484,"205747","I was elected in my first term with the support of 14 mayors.",2362.36,2366.02,{"idx":3058,"utterance_id":3059,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3060,"start_s":3061,"end_s":3062,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},485,"205748","I never retaliated against a mayor in my life.",2366.74,2368.94,{"idx":3064,"utterance_id":3065,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3066,"start_s":3067,"end_s":3068,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},486,"205749","That shows the way I am.",2370.8,2372.68,{"idx":3070,"utterance_id":3071,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3072,"start_s":3073,"end_s":3074,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},487,"205750","Tough in an electoral campaign, tough.",2372.84,2374.9,{"idx":3076,"utterance_id":3077,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3078,"start_s":3079,"end_s":3080,"word_count":229,"indexable":181},488,"205751","But once the votes were counted, whoever won the election won.",2375.56,2378.38,{"idx":3082,"utterance_id":3083,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3084,"start_s":3085,"end_s":3086,"word_count":200,"indexable":181},489,"205752","If I didn't win, I'm sorry for the mayor, but what won was the other; I'll govern with him, because I will not contest the will of the population of that municipality.",2379.5,2387.5,{"idx":3088,"utterance_id":3089,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3090,"start_s":3091,"end_s":3092,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},490,"205753","So, I don't accept that thesis.",2387.6,2390.42,{"idx":3094,"utterance_id":3095,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3096,"start_s":3097,"end_s":3098,"word_count":43,"indexable":181},491,"205754","What I intend, if I could intervene, would be a Federal Senate of competent people, of good debaters, and for the National Congress to end this thing called virtual voting.",2392.14,2408.46,{"idx":3100,"utterance_id":3101,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3102,"start_s":3103,"end_s":3104,"word_count":49,"indexable":181},492,"205755","Where committee work would be valued, debates until dawn, deep knowledge of the internal rules, debaters who study each matter that comes to the agenda.",2409.3,2421.5,{"idx":3106,"utterance_id":3107,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3108,"start_s":3109,"end_s":3110,"word_count":229,"indexable":181},493,"205756","That is the beauty of parliament.",2422.16,2424.4,{"idx":3112,"utterance_id":3113,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3114,"start_s":3115,"end_s":3116,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},494,"205757","Parliament was made for that, Yuri.",2425.12,2426.94,{"idx":3118,"utterance_id":3119,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3120,"start_s":3121,"end_s":3122,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},495,"205758","You can't deform parliament.",2427.3,2429.32,{"idx":3124,"utterance_id":3125,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3126,"start_s":3127,"end_s":3128,"word_count":248,"indexable":181},496,"205759","Today you don't have a parliament, a parliament driven by bargains.",2430.1,2432.92,{"idx":3130,"utterance_id":3131,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3132,"start_s":3133,"end_s":3134,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},497,"205760","That doesn't exist.",2433.62,2434.48,{"idx":3136,"utterance_id":3137,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3138,"start_s":3139,"end_s":3140,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},498,"205761","That is not parliament.",2435.18,2436.28,{"idx":3142,"utterance_id":3143,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3144,"start_s":3145,"end_s":3146,"word_count":300,"indexable":181},499,"205762","You can't give up what is your parliamentary function: to legislate, to approve the budget, to oversee the government.",2437.26,2446.06,{"idx":3148,"utterance_id":3149,"speaker_name":176,"text":3150,"start_s":3151,"end_s":3152,"word_count":229,"indexable":181},500,"205763","Has the current Congress given up on that function?",2446.1,2448.38,{"idx":3154,"utterance_id":3155,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3156,"start_s":3157,"end_s":3158,"word_count":229,"indexable":181},501,"205764","That is the function of parliament, right?",2448.58,2450.96,{"idx":3160,"utterance_id":3161,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3162,"start_s":3163,"end_s":3164,"word_count":258,"indexable":181},502,"205765","Look, upon my arrival at the presidency of the Republic, I will know, without a doubt, how to sit with all the heads of the powers and say, let's now return to presidentialism?",2451.48,2461.34,{"idx":3166,"utterance_id":3167,"speaker_name":176,"text":3168,"start_s":3169,"end_s":3170,"word_count":266,"indexable":181},503,"205766","Well, governor, President Lula in the 2022 campaign said something along those lines.",2461.88,2468.3,{"idx":3172,"utterance_id":3173,"speaker_name":176,"text":3174,"start_s":3175,"end_s":3176,"word_count":60,"indexable":181},504,"205767","He used to say the president of the Chamber seemed like the emperor of Japan, that the amendments were a distortion in the national political system.",2468.34,2475.76,{"idx":3178,"utterance_id":3179,"speaker_name":176,"text":3180,"start_s":3181,"end_s":3182,"word_count":258,"indexable":181},505,"205768","But once seated in the presidential chair, he faced the fact that the budget for parliamentary amendments increases every year.",2476.1,2484.22,{"idx":3184,"utterance_id":3185,"speaker_name":176,"text":3186,"start_s":3187,"end_s":3188,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},506,"205769","We reached 50 billion reais this year, even more.",2484.3,2487.78,{"idx":3190,"utterance_id":3191,"speaker_name":176,"text":3192,"start_s":3193,"end_s":3194,"word_count":273,"indexable":181},507,"205770","And the reality is that either you distribute those funds or you won't be able to approve...",2488.6,2492.7,{"idx":3196,"utterance_id":3197,"speaker_name":176,"text":3198,"start_s":3199,"end_s":3200,"word_count":229,"indexable":181},508,"205771","...any bill of any kind in the National Congress.",2492.9,2495.64,{"idx":3202,"utterance_id":3203,"speaker_name":176,"text":3204,"start_s":3205,"end_s":3206,"word_count":399,"indexable":181},509,"205772","Will you say, even if elected, to the president of the National Congress, to the president of the Chamber of Deputies, that you are in favor of reducing that budget to remodel, to restart the relationship between the executive and the legislative?",2496.46,2509.4,{"idx":3208,"utterance_id":3209,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3210,"start_s":3211,"end_s":3212,"word_count":300,"indexable":181},510,"205773","Thais, when there was presidentialism in Brazil, I remember well, I had one and a half million in non-mandatory amendments.",2510.04,2516.14,{"idx":3214,"utterance_id":3215,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3216,"start_s":3217,"end_s":3218,"word_count":246,"indexable":181},511,"205774","We, in Parliament at that time... we were not managers, we are not managers, we are parliamentarians.",2518.18,2525.54,{"idx":3220,"utterance_id":3221,"speaker_name":176,"text":3222,"start_s":3223,"end_s":3224,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},512,"205775","Are you going to ask for it to return like that?",2525.74,2527.7,{"idx":3226,"utterance_id":3227,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3228,"start_s":3229,"end_s":3230,"word_count":300,"indexable":181},513,"205776","Look, I'll ask everyone to understand that a president of the Republic was elected based on a government plan, right?",2528.1,2536.68,{"idx":3232,"utterance_id":3233,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3234,"start_s":3235,"end_s":3236,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},514,"205777","Well, I will not take away the support of my parliamentarians.",2537.46,2541.58,{"idx":3238,"utterance_id":3239,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3240,"start_s":3241,"end_s":3242,"word_count":214,"indexable":181},515,"205778","The works in their states will be prioritized by them, within a program of the president of the Republic.",2543.12,2550.8,{"idx":3244,"utterance_id":3245,"speaker_name":176,"text":3246,"start_s":3247,"end_s":3248,"word_count":235,"indexable":181},516,"205779","But how do you put that genie back in the bottle, governor?",2551.26,2554.34,{"idx":3250,"utterance_id":3251,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3252,"start_s":3253,"end_s":3254,"word_count":246,"indexable":181},517,"205780","Moreover, all who supported me and worked with me in Goiás were re-elected, state deputies.",2554.52,2561.78,{"idx":3256,"utterance_id":3257,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3258,"start_s":3259,"end_s":3260,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},518,"205781","So it's simply a matter of knowing how to 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election?",2632.42,2640.76,{"idx":3350,"utterance_id":3351,"speaker_name":176,"text":3352,"start_s":3353,"end_s":3354,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},534,"205797","and we'll go back to how it was before?",2642.38,2643.8,{"idx":3356,"utterance_id":3357,"speaker_name":176,"text":3358,"start_s":3359,"end_s":3360,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},535,"205798","Oh Vera, it's very easy for you...",2644.1,2645.56,{"idx":3362,"utterance_id":3363,"speaker_name":176,"text":3364,"start_s":3365,"end_s":3366,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},536,"205799","It's not easy!",2645.6,2646.54,{"idx":3368,"utterance_id":3369,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3370,"start_s":3371,"end_s":3372,"word_count":214,"indexable":181},537,"205800","Oh Vera, either you... Wait, Vera, you have to know the following: what does the Constitution determine?",2647.3,2652.7,{"idx":3374,"utterance_id":3375,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3376,"start_s":3377,"end_s":3378,"word_count":188,"indexable":181},538,"205801","That we are in a... presidential system.",2654.06,2656.48,{"idx":3380,"utterance_id":3381,"speaker_name":176,"text":3382,"start_s":3383,"end_s":3384,"word_count":246,"indexable":181},539,"205802","But that's also in the Constitution, because it was PECs that instituted this issue of binding measures.",2656.54,2661.48,{"idx":3386,"utterance_id":3387,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3388,"start_s":3389,"end_s":3390,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},540,"205803","But do they want to change the system to a parliamentary system?",2661.62,2664.66,{"idx":3392,"utterance_id":3393,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3394,"start_s":3395,"end_s":3396,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},541,"205804","Fine, hold the 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system?",2801.88,2805.28,{"idx":3663,"utterance_id":3664,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3665,"start_s":3666,"end_s":3667,"word_count":183,"indexable":181},587,"205850","How?",2805.4,2805.68,{"idx":3669,"utterance_id":3670,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3671,"start_s":3672,"end_s":3673,"word_count":246,"indexable":181},588,"205851","And will you be able to implement tomorrow a security policy, a policy... Do you have any idea?",2807.06,2812.98,{"idx":3675,"utterance_id":3676,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3677,"start_s":3678,"end_s":3679,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},589,"205852","Insecurity for the people.",2813,2813.78,{"idx":3681,"utterance_id":3682,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3683,"start_s":3684,"end_s":3685,"word_count":248,"indexable":181},590,"205853","I spent 17 billion, I invested 17 billion in six and a half years.",2813.8,2817.48,{"idx":3687,"utterance_id":3688,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3689,"start_s":3690,"end_s":3691,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},591,"205854","The federal government transferred 980 million to me.",2818.14,2820.8,{"idx":3693,"utterance_id":3694,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3695,"start_s":3696,"end_s":3697,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},592,"205855","Governor... So, it's over.",2822.14,2824.86,{"idx":3699,"utterance_id":3700,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3701,"start_s":3702,"end_s":3703,"word_count":183,"indexable":181},593,"205856","It's over.",2825.58,2826.02,{"idx":764,"utterance_id":3705,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3706,"start_s":3707,"end_s":3708,"word_count":60,"indexable":181},"205857","So, today you go to the minister, look, there's a project here, like this, I don't know what, I don't know, call the rapporteur.",2827.48,2833.24,{"idx":3710,"utterance_id":3711,"speaker_name":176,"text":3712,"start_s":3713,"end_s":3714,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},595,"205858","I think Escolete has the block's last one there.",2834.7,2837,{"idx":3716,"utterance_id":3717,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3718,"start_s":3719,"end_s":3720,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},596,"205859","Let me change the subject a 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1.2%.",2852.52,2854.4,{"idx":3746,"utterance_id":3747,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3748,"start_s":3749,"end_s":3750,"word_count":190,"indexable":181},601,"205864","Is that right?",2855.04,2856.02,{"idx":3752,"utterance_id":3753,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3754,"start_s":3755,"end_s":3756,"word_count":49,"indexable":181},602,"205865","I called them all and said the following, look, 50% of all the 1.2% amendments will be 100% within the government's health programs.",2856.12,2865.42,{"idx":3758,"utterance_id":3759,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3760,"start_s":3761,"end_s":3762,"word_count":248,"indexable":181},603,"205866","Let me ask my question, which was another subject, governor.",2866.36,2868.68,{"idx":3764,"utterance_id":3765,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3766,"start_s":3767,"end_s":3768,"word_count":258,"indexable":181},604,"205867","You must have seen last week Governor Zema told Folha de São Paulo — that is, he cast 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right?",3018.76,3020.32,{"idx":3967,"utterance_id":3968,"speaker_name":176,"text":3969,"start_s":3970,"end_s":3971,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},638,"205901","Exactly, fine.",3020.34,3021.98,{"idx":3973,"utterance_id":3974,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3975,"start_s":3976,"end_s":3977,"word_count":323,"indexable":181},639,"205902","But all of those were situations created that provoked... that whole reaction process and that we came to a full, general and restricted amnesty.",3022.28,3036.3,{"idx":3979,"utterance_id":3980,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3981,"start_s":3982,"end_s":3983,"word_count":180,"indexable":181},640,"205903","Isn't that true?",3036.8,3037.3,{"idx":3985,"utterance_id":3986,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3987,"start_s":3988,"end_s":3989,"word_count":258,"indexable":181},641,"205904","Where there you had people on the military side, who practiced arbitrariness, and you also had the commands, who also committed other crimes, terrorism.",3038,3053.22,{"idx":3991,"utterance_id":3992,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3993,"start_s":3994,"end_s":3995,"word_count":235,"indexable":181},642,"205905","So, it was a conflagrated process that Brazil had.",3053.72,3057.18,{"idx":3997,"utterance_id":3998,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3999,"start_s":4000,"end_s":4001,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},643,"205906","A conflagrated process that Brazil experienced.",3058.04,3060.22,{"idx":4003,"utterance_id":4004,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":4005,"start_s":4006,"end_s":4007,"word_count":266,"indexable":181},644,"205907","That's the thing. Now, what we need to understand is one thing only.",3060.62,3064.94,{"idx":4009,"utterance_id":4010,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":4011,"start_s":4012,"end_s":4013,"word_count":4,"indexable":181},645,"205908","Ah, but now how is the situation going to be?",3067.1,3069.92,{"idx":4015,"utterance_id":4016,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":4017,"start_s":4018,"end_s":4019,"word_count":15,"indexable":181},646,"205909","Folks, once a run-over man arrived at the emergency room and the doctor, very reluctant to operate, said to him, 'but didn't you see the light was red?'",3070.36,3085.86,{"idx":4021,"utterance_id":4022,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":4023,"start_s":4024,"end_s":4025,"word_count":240,"indexable":181},647,"205910","Please, doctor, operate on me, I'm in far too much 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the Military Police, the Penal Police and the Civil Police, together with the Federal Highway Police and the Police... The Federal Police operate from one floor at the Federal Police in Goiás.",3578.36,3593.42,{"idx":4632,"utterance_id":4633,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":4634,"start_s":4635,"end_s":4636,"word_count":307,"indexable":181},750,"206013","Do you think that, instead of the Federal Police acting on what is its responsibility, it will be doing CAC registration?",3594.08,3601.08,{"idx":4638,"utterance_id":4639,"speaker_name":176,"text":4640,"start_s":4641,"end_s":4642,"word_count":222,"indexable":181},751,"206014","So, is the Army going to do that?",3601.16,3602.86,{"idx":4644,"utterance_id":4645,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":4646,"start_s":4647,"end_s":4648,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},752,"206015","Of course the Army does it.",3602.94,3604.26,{"idx":4650,"utterance_id":4651,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":4652,"start_s":4653,"end_s":4654,"word_count":209,"indexable":181},753,"206016","This is the Army's 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life, you have to be able to compete with substance, with moral credibility, to say that you are no one's proxy, that you are not a spokesperson for others.",5191.1,5204.4,{"idx":6855,"utterance_id":6856,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":3042,"start_s":6857,"end_s":6858,"word_count":190,"indexable":181},1125,"206388",5204.42,5205.4,{"idx":6860,"utterance_id":6861,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":114,"text":6862,"start_s":6863,"end_s":6864,"word_count":202,"indexable":181},1126,"206389","That is the reality.",5205.86,5206.76,{"idx":6866,"utterance_id":6867,"speaker_name":176,"text":6868,"start_s":6869,"end_s":6870,"word_count":323,"indexable":181},1127,"206390","Goiás, which is the state you govern for a second term, is the third state with the highest number of deaths caused by the police.",5208,5215.7,{"idx":6872,"utterance_id":6873,"speaker_name":176,"text":6874,"start_s":6875,"end_s":6876,"word_count":351,"indexable":181},1128,"206391","And scholars already have a 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