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planning.",707.24,710.2,{"idx":872,"utterance_id":873,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":874,"start_s":875,"end_s":876,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},135,"172087","The world does that.",710.58,711.42,{"idx":878,"utterance_id":879,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":880,"start_s":881,"end_s":882,"word_count":323,"indexable":74},136,"172088","For example, China has planning horizons of 50 years; Europe — I've been there — it's 25 years, the same with the United States and so on; Brazil plans for at most four years, and everything changes with each election.",711.78,724.68,{"idx":884,"utterance_id":885,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":886,"start_s":887,"end_s":888,"word_count":300,"indexable":74},137,"172089","So when, at the time of — I don't know if it was Dilma I or Lula II, I said it was Dilma I — President Dilma decided at the time that Petrobras would... make investments in the fertilizer sector.",725.26,738.16,{"idx":890,"utterance_id":891,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":892,"start_s":893,"end_s":894,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},138,"172090","And she created a large strategic plan on that, from that time.",738.5,743.5,{"idx":51,"utterance_id":896,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":897,"start_s":898,"end_s":899,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},"172091","I know because I was there, I was mayor, I welcomed the Petrobras president there.",743.58,746.68,{"idx":901,"utterance_id":902,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":903,"start_s":904,"end_s":905,"word_count":294,"indexable":74},140,"172092","After that came President Dilma's impeachment; President Temer decided that they should no longer make investments in fertilizers because Operation Car Wash came, Petrobras was left in a more weakened situation, so let's focus only on oil.",747.34,759.12,{"idx":907,"utterance_id":908,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":909,"start_s":910,"end_s":911,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},141,"172093","So let's disinvest in fertilizers.",759.28,761.9,{"idx":913,"utterance_id":914,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":915,"start_s":916,"end_s":917,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},142,"172094","And then it stopped.",762.22,762.72,{"idx":919,"utterance_id":920,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":921,"start_s":922,"end_s":923,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},143,"172095","When President Bolsonaro came, he said, let's sell the plant.",763.56,766.32,{"idx":925,"utterance_id":926,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":927,"start_s":928,"end_s":929,"word_count":347,"indexable":74},144,"172096","So, again, I'm not blaming anyone, I'm telling the story as it is. President Hummel decided to make the factory; President Temer said, look, it's no longer feasible for Petrobras to be in charge of fertilizers because it is in a situation where it needs to readjust.",766.5,778.5,{"idx":931,"utterance_id":932,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":933,"start_s":934,"end_s":935,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},145,"172097","And then... President Temer stayed a short time, President Bolsonaro came and said, let's sell.",778.92,784.22,{"idx":937,"utterance_id":938,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":939,"start_s":940,"end_s":941,"word_count":359,"indexable":74},146,"172098","But I discovered, because this is my area — I am a professor of administrative contract law — I looked and said, wait a minute, in the tender notice for the sale of this factory, which is already 85% finished, there is no clause that whoever wins will have to finish the plant as a fertilizer factory.",784.82,800.74,{"idx":943,"utterance_id":944,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":945,"start_s":946,"end_s":947,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},147,"172099","So, it will be able to become a mere blending plant; instead of creating 2,000 jobs, it will create only 100 jobs.",801.36,805.8,{"idx":949,"utterance_id":950,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":951,"start_s":952,"end_s":953,"word_count":257,"indexable":74},148,"172100","Instead of producing cheap fertilizers for our agribusiness, so we can put cheaper food on Brazilians' tables, we will keep having to buy fertilizers from Russia and Ukraine, because the winner, incidentally, was a Russian company.",806.4,818.98,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":955,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":956,"start_s":957,"end_s":958,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},"172101","Do you think Russia, wanting to build the factory here, would allow the golden goose — Brazil — to stop buying from them?",819,826.24,{"idx":960,"utterance_id":961,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":962,"start_s":963,"end_s":964,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},150,"172102","So I said, that's not acceptable.",826.36,827.28,{"idx":966,"utterance_id":967,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":968,"start_s":969,"end_s":970,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},151,"172103","And I went into the Senate, I went to Petrobras and we put a halt to it.",827.78,830.22,{"idx":972,"utterance_id":973,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":974,"start_s":975,"end_s":976,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},152,"172104","They analyzed it and said no.",830.24,830.96,{"idx":978,"utterance_id":979,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":980,"start_s":981,"end_s":982,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},153,"172105","Not like that.",831.84,832.56,{"idx":984,"utterance_id":985,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":986,"start_s":987,"end_s":988,"word_count":477,"indexable":74},154,"172106","When President Lula took office, the first thing I did at the time was with President Jean-Paul Prats; President Jean-Paul made a commitment to us, he came to Três Lagos and said, 'We will take it to Petrobras's Board of Directors, there are several shareholders, we will show the importance of this factory for Mato Grosso do Sul, for the Center-West, for Brazil, for Brazilian food, and we will resume it.'",833.02,854.56,{"idx":990,"utterance_id":991,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":992,"start_s":993,"end_s":994,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},155,"172107","And now it is moving forward, the project is progressing; it's a long project, it's 5 billion reais, all of that has been done.",855.5,860.96,{"idx":996,"utterance_id":997,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":998,"start_s":999,"end_s":1000,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},156,"172108","With a lot of detail.",860.98,861.72,{"idx":1002,"utterance_id":1003,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1004,"start_s":1005,"end_s":1006,"word_count":597,"indexable":74},157,"172109","Long story short, because of the current crisis, the Israel-Iran war, those who were submitting proposals asked for a little more time — it's not only because of that, there are uncertainties, Trump and everything else — they asked for a bit more time to present proposals, so we will have, until the end of August, probably September, some proposals being submitted. We divided it into lots to finish, and if all goes well, already in January or February we will be in a position to sign the contract to resume the factory, which will take about a year and a half to complete.",862,892.46,{"idx":1008,"utterance_id":1009,"speaker_name":69,"text":1010,"start_s":1011,"end_s":1012,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},158,"172110","Is there more investment to restart the construction as well, Minister?",892.78,895.08,{"idx":1014,"utterance_id":1015,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1016,"start_s":1017,"end_s":1018,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},159,"172111","Because it's 5 billion in investment.",895.38,897.46,{"idx":1020,"utterance_id":1021,"speaker_name":69,"text":1022,"start_s":1023,"end_s":1024,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},160,"172112","Petrobras will still be the owner.",897.72,899.12,{"idx":1026,"utterance_id":1027,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1028,"start_s":1029,"end_s":1030,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},161,"172113","Then Petrobras will pay the companies.",899.14,901.22,{"idx":1032,"utterance_id":1033,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1034,"start_s":1035,"end_s":1036,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},162,"172114","Then if in the future, after it's finished, the next president wants to sell it, that's another situation.",901.8,907.02,{"idx":1038,"utterance_id":1039,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1040,"start_s":1041,"end_s":1042,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},163,"172115","The situation is such that I started this factory as mayor, and I want to leave the ministry with this also underway.",907.54,915.42,{"idx":1044,"utterance_id":1045,"speaker_name":69,"text":1046,"start_s":1047,"end_s":1048,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},164,"172116","Minister, this discontinuity... How much does the absence of this factory affect things today?",915.72,920.8,{"idx":1050,"utterance_id":1051,"speaker_name":69,"text":1052,"start_s":1053,"end_s":1054,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},165,"172117","Indeed.",921.24,922,{"idx":1056,"utterance_id":1057,"speaker_name":69,"text":1058,"start_s":1059,"end_s":1060,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},166,"172118","It's partly because of this recent war.",922.06,924.58,{"idx":1062,"utterance_id":1063,"speaker_name":69,"text":1064,"start_s":1065,"end_s":1066,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},167,"172119","With Brazil producing so much and having to...",924.68,928,{"idx":1068,"utterance_id":1069,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1070,"start_s":1066,"end_s":1071,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},168,"172120","Eighty-five percent of Brazil's fertilizers are imported.",934.84,{"idx":1073,"utterance_id":1074,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1075,"start_s":1076,"end_s":1077,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},169,"172121","We pay in dollars.",934.86,935.94,{"idx":1079,"utterance_id":1080,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1081,"start_s":1082,"end_s":1083,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},170,"172122","That's why production is costly.",936.02,937.32,{"idx":1085,"utterance_id":1086,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1087,"start_s":1088,"end_s":1089,"word_count":287,"indexable":74},171,"172123","Therefore, from family farming, which is the one that puts food — rice and beans — on the table, to large agribusiness, to which I belong, whether soy, sugarcane, or corn, you need fertilizers to produce and achieve productivity.",938.16,949.14,{"idx":1091,"utterance_id":1092,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1093,"start_s":1094,"end_s":1095,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},172,"172124","So you pay in dollars, you end up selling...",949.16,951.7,{"idx":1097,"utterance_id":1098,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1099,"start_s":1100,"end_s":1101,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},173,"172125","More expensively too, right?",952.34,953.28,{"idx":1103,"utterance_id":1104,"speaker_name":69,"text":1105,"start_s":1106,"end_s":1107,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},174,"172126","And then, just to note the timelines, up until now August...",954.66,958,{"idx":1109,"utterance_id":1110,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1111,"start_s":1112,"end_s":1113,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},175,"172127","It could be, we are now...",959.4,960.52,{"idx":1115,"utterance_id":1116,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1117,"start_s":1118,"end_s":1119,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},176,"172128","We will await external events, but it's in the plan.",960.94,963.94,{"idx":1121,"utterance_id":1122,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1123,"start_s":1124,"end_s":1125,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},177,"172129","The important thing is... The work plan was approved; Petrobras' Administrative Council gave the OK last year.",963.96,969.96,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1127,"speaker_name":69,"text":1128,"start_s":1129,"end_s":1130,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},"172130","To restart the sector.",969.98,970.78,{"idx":1132,"utterance_id":1133,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1134,"start_s":1135,"end_s":1136,"word_count":365,"indexable":74},179,"172131","The design was done with great rigor — basic design, executive design — the project is already underway. If all goes well this year with this tender, so to speak, at the beginning of next year we will be able to have Petrobras sign the contract for the construction of the plant.",972.72,988.4,{"idx":1138,"utterance_id":1139,"speaker_name":69,"text":1140,"start_s":1141,"end_s":1142,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},180,"172132","I would like to touch on this factory issue further, Minister.",988.88,991.6,{"idx":1144,"utterance_id":1145,"speaker_name":69,"text":1146,"start_s":1147,"end_s":1148,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},181,"172133","The factory was planned to make use of Bolivian natural gas.",992.74,997.6,{"idx":1150,"utterance_id":1151,"speaker_name":69,"text":1152,"start_s":1153,"end_s":1154,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},182,"172134","Well, from what we've heard, Bolivia is having difficulty meeting gas demand.",999.6,1004.98,{"idx":1156,"utterance_id":1157,"speaker_name":69,"text":1158,"start_s":1159,"end_s":1160,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},183,"172135","I don't know if there was a lack of investment there or if they simply don't have as much gas as it seemed.",1005.06,1011.2,{"idx":1162,"utterance_id":1163,"speaker_name":69,"text":1164,"start_s":1165,"end_s":1166,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},184,"172136","In the case, for example, of the plant starting to operate, wouldn't there be a problem with inputs?",1012.36,1019.4,{"idx":1168,"utterance_id":1169,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1170,"start_s":1171,"end_s":1172,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},185,"172137","That's why it took two years to figure out how Petrobras could not complete a factory if it doesn't have the feedstock.",1020.44,1025.52,{"idx":1174,"utterance_id":1175,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1176,"start_s":1177,"end_s":1178,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},186,"172138","But you are absolutely right.",1025.84,1026.96,{"idx":1180,"utterance_id":1181,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1182,"start_s":1183,"end_s":1184,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},187,"172139","Bolivia, due to political, administrative and financial issues, does not have financing capacity — it has stalled.",1027.24,1035.08,{"idx":1186,"utterance_id":1187,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1188,"start_s":1189,"end_s":1190,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},188,"172140","The investments.",1035.76,1036.56,{"idx":1192,"utterance_id":1193,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1194,"start_s":1195,"end_s":1196,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},189,"172141","They have a lot of gas; what they lack is investment.",1036.58,1038.42,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1198,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1199,"start_s":1200,"end_s":1201,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},"172142","So much so that I advocate...",1038.52,1039.38,{"idx":1203,"utterance_id":1204,"speaker_name":69,"text":1205,"start_s":1206,"end_s":1207,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},191,"172143","The gas needs to be extracted, right?",1039.46,1040.3,{"idx":1209,"utterance_id":1210,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1211,"start_s":1212,"end_s":1213,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},192,"172144","Exactly.",1040.4,1041,{"idx":1215,"utterance_id":1216,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1217,"start_s":1218,"end_s":1219,"word_count":300,"indexable":74},193,"172145","That Petrobras be here, becoming a partner; obviously, nobody will throw money away — Petrobras has to invest in Bolivia, for the good of Mato Grosso do Sul and of Brazil.",1041.06,1050.06,{"idx":1221,"utterance_id":1222,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1223,"start_s":1224,"end_s":1225,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},194,"172146","It becomes a partner, drills, it has expertise, it has resources, and we bring in more gas.",1050.36,1055.64,{"idx":1227,"utterance_id":1228,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1229,"start_s":1230,"end_s":1231,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},195,"172147","So, that is one option.",1055.66,1056.62,{"idx":1233,"utterance_id":1234,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1235,"start_s":1236,"end_s":1237,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},196,"172148","That would be an option.",1057.04,1057.9,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1239,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1240,"start_s":1241,"end_s":1242,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},"172149","The second option would be to bring part of the gas that Petrobras itself already produces.",1058.24,1061.88,{"idx":1244,"utterance_id":1245,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1246,"start_s":1247,"end_s":1248,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},198,"172150","We need 2 million cubic meters.",1061.92,1063.64,{"idx":1250,"utterance_id":1251,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1252,"start_s":1253,"end_s":1254,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},199,"172151","Petrobras produces more than 20.",1064.04,1065.62,{"idx":1256,"utterance_id":1257,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1258,"start_s":1259,"end_s":1260,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},200,"172152","So you would take it from somewhere to be able to bring it here.",1066.02,1068.88,{"idx":1262,"utterance_id":1263,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1264,"start_s":1265,"end_s":1266,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},201,"172153","Or Argentina's Vaca Muerta.",1069.42,1071.52,{"idx":1268,"utterance_id":1269,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1270,"start_s":1271,"end_s":1272,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},202,"172154","Argentina is also interested in crossing via Paraguay and bringing gas to Brazil.",1071.54,1076.96,{"idx":1274,"utterance_id":1275,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1276,"start_s":1277,"end_s":1278,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},203,"172155","So, the alternatives are on the table; nobody invests 5 billion and then says, 'now let's see where we're going to get it from.'",1077,1085.14,{"idx":1280,"utterance_id":1281,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1282,"start_s":1283,"end_s":1284,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},204,"172156","There are alternatives, but you are right, you raised a crucial point that is being analyzed with great care by Petrobras.",1085.54,1093.2,{"idx":1286,"utterance_id":1287,"speaker_name":69,"text":1288,"start_s":1289,"end_s":1290,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},205,"172157","There has to be that guarantee that it will supply the operation; all of that is part of it.",1093.22,1097.48,{"idx":1292,"utterance_id":1293,"speaker_name":69,"text":1294,"start_s":1295,"end_s":1296,"word_count":465,"indexable":74},206,"172158","Moreover, the State itself feels the fluctuation of Bolivian gas production — the State of Mato Grosso do Sul itself, in its economic matters, because revenue ends up... Let's talk about the presidential election, an important chapter in your political trajectory, because you decided to run in the last presidential election, walking as a third way in this polarized field and then received a very significant vote.",1097.62,1132.86,{"idx":1298,"utterance_id":1299,"speaker_name":69,"text":1300,"start_s":1301,"end_s":1302,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},207,"172159","Did you have support?",1134,1135.64,{"idx":1304,"utterance_id":1305,"speaker_name":69,"text":1306,"start_s":1307,"end_s":1308,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},208,"172160","From the party, starting with the MDB... 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I want to be on the right side of history.",1478.44,1480.96,{"idx":1709,"utterance_id":1710,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1711,"start_s":1712,"end_s":1713,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},276,"172228","At this moment, I am convinced of what I need to do.",1481.14,1483.92,{"idx":1715,"utterance_id":1716,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1717,"start_s":1718,"end_s":1719,"word_count":241,"indexable":74},277,"172229","The only thing President Lula said to me was, then just do one thing: take out of your statement that you will not accept a ministry.",1484.5,1491.26,{"idx":1721,"utterance_id":1722,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1723,"start_s":1724,"end_s":1725,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},278,"172230","I said, but president, the only way to make this legitimate is not to ask for a ministry.",1492,1496.96,{"idx":1727,"utterance_id":1728,"speaker_name":69,"text":1729,"start_s":1730,"end_s":1731,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},279,"172231","Not to get one, right?",1497.24,1497.92,{"idx":1733,"utterance_id":1734,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1735,"start_s":1736,"end_s":1737,"word_count":275,"indexable":74},280,"172232","Because, look, I need to show what I'm doing and I will have a personal electoral sacrifice, because my State is more conservative, in my State Bolsonaro won by a landslide in the first round.",1498.46,1506.92,{"idx":1739,"utterance_id":1740,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1741,"start_s":1742,"end_s":1743,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},281,"172233","He said, but don't put it in.",1507.1,1508.16,{"idx":1745,"utterance_id":1746,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1747,"start_s":1748,"end_s":1749,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},282,"172234","And later you decide.",1508.26,1509.22,{"idx":1751,"utterance_id":1752,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1753,"start_s":1754,"end_s":1755,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},283,"172235","And afterwards he offered two, three ministries, there was a conversation and I didn't accept.",1510.18,1513.36,{"idx":1757,"utterance_id":1758,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1759,"start_s":1760,"end_s":1761,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},284,"172236","I said, no, but why would I accept a ministry?",1513.38,1514.96,{"idx":1763,"utterance_id":1764,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1765,"start_s":1766,"end_s":1767,"word_count":257,"indexable":74},285,"172237","and I don't know what, until the moment my party said, look... 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daughter.",1619.58,1623.62,{"idx":1893,"utterance_id":1894,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1895,"start_s":1896,"end_s":1897,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},307,"172259","And then they gave us space, albeit modest, for women to participate in the CPI (Parliamentary Inquiry Commission) on Covid.",1624.36,1629.88,{"idx":1899,"utterance_id":1900,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1901,"start_s":1902,"end_s":1903,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},308,"172260","And the rest, again, is history, because I've already told it, right?",1629.9,1632.08,{"idx":1905,"utterance_id":1906,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1907,"start_s":1908,"end_s":1909,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},309,"172261","From then on, they invited me to be a candidate for the presidency.",1632.12,1635.1,{"idx":1911,"utterance_id":1912,"speaker_name":69,"text":1913,"start_s":1914,"end_s":1915,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},310,"172262","That election, you were remembering that election for 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grateful.",1652.78,1653.74,{"idx":1941,"utterance_id":1942,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1943,"start_s":1944,"end_s":1945,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},315,"172267","I don't want to displease my father, I don't want to displease my father, right?",1653.76,1656.08,{"idx":1947,"utterance_id":1948,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1949,"start_s":1950,"end_s":1951,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},316,"172268","I said, ah, I'll go, I'll be a candidate.",1656.16,1657.8,{"idx":1953,"utterance_id":1954,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1955,"start_s":1956,"end_s":1957,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},317,"172269","And I won the election and here I am, right, in this whole process.",1658.24,1662.54,{"idx":1959,"utterance_id":1960,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":1961,"start_s":1962,"end_s":1963,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},318,"172270","But not without a political cost, 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you can tell that I'm not lying.",1735.62,1738.52,{"idx":2067,"utterance_id":2068,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2069,"start_s":2070,"end_s":2071,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},336,"172288","That I believe in what I'm doing.",1738.86,1740.28,{"idx":2073,"utterance_id":2074,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2075,"start_s":2076,"end_s":2077,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},337,"172289","And that mattered a lot in the debates.",1740.34,1741.82,{"idx":2079,"utterance_id":2080,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2081,"start_s":2082,"end_s":2083,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},338,"172290","And then I ended up.",1742.28,1742.94,{"idx":2085,"utterance_id":2086,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2087,"start_s":2088,"end_s":2089,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},339,"172291","in third place.",1742.96,1743.78,{"idx":2091,"utterance_id":2092,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2093,"start_s":2094,"end_s":2095,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},340,"172292","Ciro Gomes, who is someone more aligned with the left, did not take a position.",1744.18,1748.52,{"idx":2097,"utterance_id":2098,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2099,"start_s":2100,"end_s":2101,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},341,"172293","He didn't go to any side.",1749.2,1750.32,{"idx":2103,"utterance_id":2104,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2105,"start_s":2106,"end_s":2107,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},342,"172294","I had to make a decision.",1750.76,1752.06,{"idx":2109,"utterance_id":2110,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2111,"start_s":2112,"end_s":2113,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},343,"172295","And that may be my political cost, it's that... 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I'm saying it like this, how to put it?",1922.98,1926.72,{"idx":2301,"utterance_id":2302,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2303,"start_s":2304,"end_s":2305,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},375,"172327","Like someone who isn't passionate.",1926.86,1928.2,{"idx":2307,"utterance_id":2308,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2309,"start_s":2310,"end_s":2311,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},376,"172328","I don't know if at 60 I'll have the energy that President Lula has today at 78.",1928.68,1933.02,{"idx":2313,"utterance_id":2314,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2315,"start_s":2316,"end_s":2317,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},377,"172329","It's remarkable.",1933.44,1934.38,{"idx":2319,"utterance_id":2320,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2321,"start_s":2322,"end_s":2323,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},378,"172330","I think it's in his veins; he really enjoys it, and that's why he draws energy, who knows from where.",1934.4,1938.28,{"idx":2325,"utterance_id":2326,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":2327,"start_s":2328,"end_s":2329,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},379,"172331","So, well, of course, if God allows... 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I will not give up; I believe we will succeed.",2457.86,2460.98,{"idx":3100,"utterance_id":3101,"speaker_name":69,"text":3102,"start_s":3103,"end_s":3104,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},509,"172461","Is there any lobby?",2461,2461.5,{"idx":3106,"utterance_id":3107,"speaker_name":69,"text":3108,"start_s":3109,"end_s":3110,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},510,"172462","Against railways in Brazil, Minister?",2461.7,2463.36,{"idx":3112,"utterance_id":3113,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3114,"start_s":3115,"end_s":3116,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},511,"172463","No, Brazil lacks expertise and Brazil lacks money, both public and private.",2463.54,2467.52,{"idx":3118,"utterance_id":3119,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3120,"start_s":3121,"end_s":3122,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},512,"172464","So we have to open up.",2467.54,2468.46,{"idx":3124,"utterance_id":3125,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3126,"start_s":3127,"end_s":3128,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},513,"172465","Now, if you say, 'ah, but do the United States have an interest in building railways in Brazil?'",2468.96,2473.3,{"idx":3130,"utterance_id":3131,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3132,"start_s":3133,"end_s":3134,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},514,"172466","Probably not, because we would make our products competitive with theirs.",2473.36,2476.56,{"idx":3136,"utterance_id":3137,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3138,"start_s":3139,"end_s":3140,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},515,"172467","Does Europe have an interest?",2476.86,2478,{"idx":3142,"utterance_id":3143,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3132,"start_s":3144,"end_s":3145,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},516,"172468",2478.24,2481.62,{"idx":3147,"utterance_id":3148,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3149,"start_s":3150,"end_s":3151,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},517,"172469","So we have to look to the Asian markets themselves.",2481.64,2484.18,{"idx":3153,"utterance_id":3154,"speaker_name":69,"text":3155,"start_s":3156,"end_s":3157,"word_count":359,"indexable":74},518,"172470","Madam Minister, and this lady is talking about something that is expensive, an investment, about China's expertise that helps... in railways, but on the bioceanic route there is something that needs to advance, which is very far from any difficulty like that, which is much more a diplomatic negotiation regarding customs.",2484.46,2503.88,{"idx":3159,"utterance_id":3160,"speaker_name":69,"text":3161,"start_s":3162,"end_s":3163,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},519,"172471","Unify the customs of all the countries so that the bureaucracy, that the route...",2504.46,2509.28,{"idx":3165,"utterance_id":3166,"speaker_name":69,"text":3167,"start_s":3168,"end_s":3169,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},520,"172472","It stays stopped for two days at each customs checkpoint.",2509.34,2511.1,{"idx":3171,"utterance_id":3172,"speaker_name":69,"text":3173,"start_s":3174,"end_s":3175,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},521,"172473","Yes, because the bioceanic route is supposed to provide that agility.",2511.12,2514.22,{"idx":3177,"utterance_id":3178,"speaker_name":69,"text":3179,"start_s":3180,"end_s":3181,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},522,"172474","Now, if bureaucracy gets stuck, because the cargo will have to stop in each country because of customs, that makes it unfeasible and it becomes bureaucratic again.",2514.24,2523.06,{"idx":3183,"utterance_id":3184,"speaker_name":69,"text":3185,"start_s":3186,"end_s":3187,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},523,"172475","Is the diplomatic relationship failing, in your opinion?",2524.2,2530.48,{"idx":3189,"utterance_id":3190,"speaker_name":69,"text":3191,"start_s":3192,"end_s":3193,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},524,"172476","And whether these talks are underway to get this off the paper, because the route seems to be just around the corner.",2530.68,2535.56,{"idx":3195,"utterance_id":3196,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3197,"start_s":3198,"end_s":3199,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},525,"172477","Good news, Fabiano.",2535.8,2536.98,{"idx":3201,"utterance_id":3202,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3203,"start_s":3204,"end_s":3205,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},526,"172478","When we talk about a route, the first step is logistics.",2537.02,2539.56,{"idx":3207,"utterance_id":3208,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3209,"start_s":3210,"end_s":3211,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},527,"172479","That is, highways, railways, ports, airports.",2539.64,2541.88,{"idx":3213,"utterance_id":3214,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3215,"start_s":3216,"end_s":3217,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},528,"172480","But this project involves 15 ministries.",2542.46,2545.08,{"idx":3219,"utterance_id":3220,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3221,"start_s":3222,"end_s":3223,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},529,"172481","I am the coordinator; we conceived this routes project.",2545.1,2547.96,{"idx":3225,"utterance_id":3226,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3227,"start_s":3228,"end_s":3229,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},530,"172482","And here is an important piece of news.",2548.34,2549.88,{"idx":3231,"utterance_id":3232,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3233,"start_s":3234,"end_s":3235,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},531,"172483","Which will be inaugurated first by the end of the year; it doesn't compete with our route, on the contrary.",2551.5,2555.36,{"idx":3237,"utterance_id":3238,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3239,"start_s":3240,"end_s":3241,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},532,"172484","It strengthens us, because Brazil is a continent — a whole Europe fits, more than one Europe inside Brazil.",2555.7,2559.88,{"idx":3243,"utterance_id":3244,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3245,"start_s":3246,"end_s":3247,"word_count":281,"indexable":74},533,"172485","So, if I were to sell to the world only the Mato Grosso do Sul route, people would say, Europe would say, 'this is just a project of President Lula's government.'",2560.4,2567.88,{"idx":3249,"utterance_id":3250,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3251,"start_s":3252,"end_s":3253,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},534,"172486","Then it will soon pass, in 2030... Maybe another president will come, everything changes.",2568.28,2572.46,{"idx":3255,"utterance_id":3256,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3257,"start_s":3258,"end_s":3259,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},535,"172487","When I show it, as I did, in Colombia, Argentina, and, by the way, they will be in Argentina on the 2nd now.",2572.84,2578.08,{"idx":3261,"utterance_id":3262,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3263,"start_s":3264,"end_s":3265,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},536,"172488","In the United States, China, passing through South Korea, etc.",2580,2582.72,{"idx":3267,"utterance_id":3268,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3269,"start_s":3270,"end_s":3271,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},537,"172489","When we show the route as a national project, as a Brazilian State project, show the five routes, they say, 'oh, now I'm seeing something for 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the civil service exam.",2600.6,2606.5,{"idx":3297,"utterance_id":3298,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3299,"start_s":3300,"end_s":3301,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},542,"172494","Now, to place them on the routes where they are missing, there will be a shortage of people.",2606.56,2610.02,{"idx":3303,"utterance_id":3304,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3305,"start_s":3306,"end_s":3307,"word_count":281,"indexable":74},543,"172495","And on this Mato Grosso do Sul route, we are already discussing with Paraguay a model similar to what Paraguay already does with Argentina and Chile, which is that double-head customs arrangement.",2610.6,2619.88,{"idx":3309,"utterance_id":3310,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3311,"start_s":3312,"end_s":3313,"word_count":406,"indexable":74},544,"172496","So, both on Paraná's side, because our bioceanic route involves the state of Paraná and Mato Grosso do Sul, and on the Mato Grosso do Sul side, the bridge and ramp 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now.",2667.34,2671.3,{"idx":3357,"utterance_id":3358,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3359,"start_s":3360,"end_s":3361,"word_count":294,"indexable":74},552,"172504","For now, but it's temporary, because one of the intentions, including China, Colombia, Peru and Brazil, is via Route 2, which is the Amazonian route, for us to be able to connect a railway that leaves from Bahia.",2671.92,2686.34,{"idx":3363,"utterance_id":3364,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3365,"start_s":3366,"end_s":3367,"word_count":347,"indexable":74},553,"172505","It crosses the Matupiba region, in Tocantins, goes up to Acre, over the top, and reaches the Andes in Peru, to also facilitate the transport of products and the export of our agribusiness, which is the Brazilian Center-West region, also over the top.",2687.06,2703.3,{"idx":3369,"utterance_id":3370,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3371,"start_s":3372,"end_s":3373,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},554,"172506","Because our route alone will not support all the traffic.",2703.98,2707.16,{"idx":3375,"utterance_id":3376,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3377,"start_s":3378,"end_s":3379,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},555,"172507","We can't rely solely on the bioceanic route, under the risk of bringing misery, a range of social problems, violence and so on.",2707.2,2713.7,{"idx":3381,"utterance_id":3382,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3383,"start_s":3384,"end_s":3385,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},556,"172508","They are trying to design a railway.",2715.66,2718.52,{"idx":3387,"utterance_id":3388,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3389,"start_s":3390,"end_s":3391,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},557,"172509","Today, it is even accessible across the mountain range.",2718.98,2721.74,{"idx":3393,"utterance_id":3394,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3395,"start_s":3396,"end_s":3397,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},558,"172510","How will our arrival at Antofagasta via Chile be accessible across the mountain range?",2721.88,2727.22,{"idx":3399,"utterance_id":3400,"speaker_name":69,"text":3401,"start_s":3402,"end_s":3403,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},559,"172511","Going up there, right?",2727.24,2727.68,{"idx":3405,"utterance_id":3406,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3407,"start_s":3408,"end_s":3409,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},560,"172512","Going up a bit.",2728.08,2728.9,{"idx":3411,"utterance_id":3412,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3413,"start_s":3414,"end_s":3415,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},561,"172513","So, but nothing that, again, technology and goodwill cannot solve.",2729.32,2732.64,{"idx":3417,"utterance_id":3418,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3419,"start_s":3420,"end_s":3421,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},562,"172514","It's under study how to... overcome this natural obstacle of the Andes mountain ranges.",2733,2739.84,{"idx":3423,"utterance_id":3424,"speaker_name":69,"text":3425,"start_s":3426,"end_s":3427,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},563,"172515","How long would such a railway alignment be?",2740.26,2742.06,{"idx":3429,"utterance_id":3430,"speaker_name":69,"text":3431,"start_s":3432,"end_s":3433,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},564,"172516","We're talking about railways again, right?",2742.26,2744.24,{"idx":3435,"utterance_id":3436,"speaker_name":69,"text":3437,"start_s":3438,"end_s":3439,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},565,"172517","So what would be the approximate distance of this alignment?",2744.28,2747.38,{"idx":3441,"utterance_id":3442,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3443,"start_s":3444,"end_s":3445,"word_count":257,"indexable":74},566,"172518","Because, as it is, in Bahia there is already — Vale is building a stretch, so if we count the stretch that the two will build in the coming years, we're not talking less than 2,000 kilometers within 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railway.",2770.92,2781.66,{"idx":3465,"utterance_id":3466,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3467,"start_s":3468,"end_s":3469,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},570,"172522","We say like, look, you can't, right?",2781.68,2782.94,{"idx":3471,"utterance_id":3472,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3473,"start_s":3474,"end_s":3475,"word_count":213,"indexable":74},571,"172523","So we are trying to raise awareness, to show the following: look, we have just had... a green light regarding the 63, the 262.",2784.38,2792.08,{"idx":3477,"utterance_id":3478,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3479,"start_s":3480,"end_s":3481,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},572,"172524","It doesn't make sense for the railway, because another counselor could have a different opinion.",2792.92,2797.08,{"idx":3483,"utterance_id":3484,"speaker_name":69,"text":3485,"start_s":3486,"end_s":3487,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},573,"172525","There is an appeal underway, that's it, right?",2797.44,2798.92,{"idx":3489,"utterance_id":3490,"speaker_name":69,"text":3491,"start_s":3492,"end_s":3493,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},574,"172526","It's not totally defined yet.",2799.46,2801.6,{"idx":3495,"utterance_id":3496,"speaker_name":69,"text":3497,"start_s":3498,"end_s":3499,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},575,"172527","Just so people understand, we're talking about the Malha Oeste.",2801.62,2804,{"idx":3501,"utterance_id":3502,"speaker_name":69,"text":3503,"start_s":3504,"end_s":3505,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},576,"172528","Now, do you believe that the Malha Oeste, revitalized with a new gauge, would have potential, for example, would it also be an alternative to the Pacific?",2804.28,2816.3,{"idx":3507,"utterance_id":3508,"speaker_name":69,"text":3509,"start_s":3510,"end_s":3511,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},577,"172529","Or is there a stretch there that?",2816.8,2818.2,{"idx":3513,"utterance_id":3514,"speaker_name":69,"text":3515,"start_s":3516,"end_s":3517,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},578,"172530","And in Bolivia?",2818.66,2819.34,{"idx":3519,"utterance_id":3520,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3521,"start_s":3522,"end_s":3523,"word_count":83,"indexable":74},579,"172531","Without a doubt.",2819.8,2820.52,{"idx":3525,"utterance_id":3526,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3527,"start_s":3528,"end_s":3529,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},580,"172532","First, Bolivia is interested in doing it.",2821.54,2823.92,{"idx":3531,"utterance_id":3532,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3533,"start_s":3534,"end_s":3535,"word_count":300,"indexable":74},581,"172533","Let's remember, this railway, which was the old railway network of Brazil, which began in Rio de Janeiro, especially here in the Port of Santos, crosses the state of São Paulo, crosses Mato Grosso do Sul, goes to Colombá.",2824.5,2835.84,{"idx":3537,"utterance_id":3538,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3539,"start_s":3540,"end_s":3541,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},582,"172534","But it doesn't stop in Colombá, it goes to Santa Cruz de la Sierra, in Bolivia, and there afterwards it only has a gap between... Santa Cruz do Iaxerra and Cochabamba.",2836.36,2845.1,{"idx":3543,"utterance_id":3544,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3545,"start_s":3546,"end_s":3547,"word_count":174,"indexable":74},583,"172535","So Bolivia is already studying to build that railway stretch as well, with financing banks.",2845.6,2851.92,{"idx":3549,"utterance_id":3550,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3551,"start_s":3552,"end_s":3553,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},584,"172536","I am the governor of some multilateral development banks.",2852.02,2858.42,{"idx":3555,"utterance_id":3556,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3557,"start_s":3558,"end_s":3559,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},585,"172537","So, BID, CAF, Fomplata, Caribbean Development Bank — I am governor representing Brazil.",2858.46,2864.74,{"idx":3561,"utterance_id":3562,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3563,"start_s":3564,"end_s":3565,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},586,"172538","So they are already talking with Fomplata, for example, and some banks in Bolivia to build this stretch.",2865.88,2870.32,{"idx":3567,"utterance_id":3568,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3569,"start_s":3570,"end_s":3571,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},587,"172539","So we are talking about a railway that could also be a bioceanic railway, linking the Pacific to the Atlantic.",2870.36,2880.82,{"idx":3573,"utterance_id":3574,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3575,"start_s":3576,"end_s":3577,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},588,"172540","This would be, of course I'm talking about the next five years, it's not something for tomorrow.",2880.96,2886.68,{"idx":3579,"utterance_id":3580,"speaker_name":69,"text":3581,"start_s":3582,"end_s":3583,"word_count":376,"indexable":74},589,"172541","Let's continue talking about economic policy, Chudo, and before we get into politics proper, I wanted to address more about this moment the federal government is going through, a crusade with the public accounts, because it's something the Minister of Planning and Budget is here talking to us about.",2886.78,2905.16,{"idx":3585,"utterance_id":3586,"speaker_name":69,"text":3587,"start_s":3588,"end_s":3589,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},590,"172542","The IOF has been the most recent chapter; it's a clash — the government proposed an initial format and resistance came, they had to adapt, introduced, made several changes, in short.",2906.02,2919.04,{"idx":3591,"utterance_id":3592,"speaker_name":69,"text":3593,"start_s":3594,"end_s":3595,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},591,"172543","Do you think the government, this... this current presidential term, can balance the public accounts?",2919.92,2926.94,{"idx":3597,"utterance_id":3598,"speaker_name":69,"text":3599,"start_s":3600,"end_s":3601,"word_count":281,"indexable":74},592,"172544","And we always do that exercise: the citizen has the obligation to balance their household accounts, because there's no other way to survive other than living well and healthily, otherwise they'll go bankrupt.",2927.48,2938.34,{"idx":3603,"utterance_id":3604,"speaker_name":69,"text":3605,"start_s":3606,"end_s":3607,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},593,"172545","The State, often, the State as a whole seems to have an enormous difficulty in trimming expenditures, in making this adjustment.",2938.36,2945.3,{"idx":3609,"utterance_id":3610,"speaker_name":69,"text":3611,"start_s":3612,"end_s":3613,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},594,"172546","What is happening at this moment?",2945.34,2947.86,{"idx":3615,"utterance_id":3616,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3617,"start_s":3618,"end_s":3619,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},595,"172547","Fabiano, no one can spend more than they have.",2948.4,2950.3,{"idx":3621,"utterance_id":3622,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3623,"start_s":3624,"end_s":3625,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},596,"172548","Even more so the Brazilian State, because the money belongs to the people.",2950.62,2953.34,{"idx":3627,"utterance_id":3628,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3629,"start_s":3630,"end_s":3631,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},597,"172549","So, the money, we must not keep paying interest.",2953.52,2955.56,{"idx":3633,"utterance_id":3634,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3635,"start_s":3636,"end_s":3637,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},598,"172550","But, to be intellectually honest, we inherited an unprecedented primary deficit in Brazil.",2956.34,2964.94,{"idx":3639,"utterance_id":3640,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3641,"start_s":3642,"end_s":3643,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},599,"172551","We reached a deficit of almost 3% of GDP.",2965.54,2968.32,{"idx":3645,"utterance_id":3646,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3647,"start_s":3648,"end_s":3649,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},600,"172552","Today, we are almost zeroing that deficit.",2968.42,2970.42,{"idx":3651,"utterance_id":3652,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3653,"start_s":3654,"end_s":3655,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},601,"172553","That is, we are managing... to practically spend only what we collect, which did not happen in the previous government.",2970.44,2977.28,{"idx":3657,"utterance_id":3658,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3659,"start_s":3660,"end_s":3661,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},602,"172554","And I, again, am not going to polemicize here.",2977.32,2979.06,{"idx":3663,"utterance_id":3664,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3665,"start_s":3666,"end_s":3667,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},603,"172555","We had a pandemic, it disrupted the machine, but in the end, to close the accounts, Paulo Guedes, the former minister, had to do window-dressing; he had to pretend he wasn't spending.",2979.12,2989.28,{"idx":3669,"utterance_id":3670,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3671,"start_s":3672,"end_s":3673,"word_count":275,"indexable":74},604,"172556","He deferred precatórios, defaulted on precatório payments — 'we won't pay precatórios so as not to end the year in the red' — so as not to say we were spending more than we were collecting.",2989.6,3000,{"idx":3675,"utterance_id":3676,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3677,"start_s":3678,"end_s":3679,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},605,"172557","There was the fuel issue.",3000.02,3001.6,{"idx":3681,"utterance_id":3682,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3683,"start_s":3684,"end_s":3685,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},606,"172558","There was the fuel issue, which harmed the Brazilian states, so there was window-dressing.",3001.88,3006.4,{"idx":3687,"utterance_id":3688,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3689,"start_s":3690,"end_s":3691,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},607,"172559","And I'm not saying they shouldn't have done it.",3006.68,3008.24,{"idx":3693,"utterance_id":3694,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3695,"start_s":3696,"end_s":3697,"word_count":90,"indexable":74},608,"172560","I'm stating facts.",3008.26,3009.4,{"idx":3699,"utterance_id":3700,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3701,"start_s":3702,"end_s":3703,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},609,"172561","I was there and was a Senator of the Republic.",3009.42,3010.96,{"idx":3705,"utterance_id":3706,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3707,"start_s":3708,"end_s":3709,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},610,"172562","So, including on the precatório issue, I voted in favor, reducing it a bit, because they wanted to give a bigger default.",3011.28,3017.62,{"idx":3711,"utterance_id":3712,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3713,"start_s":3714,"end_s":3715,"word_count":95,"indexable":74},611,"172563","I said, no, if you reduce the size of the default, the whole Congress will vote [in favor].",3017.64,3020.92,{"idx":3717,"utterance_id":3718,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3719,"start_s":3720,"end_s":3721,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},612,"172564","Now, we are not doing... It's all with a lot of transparency.",3021.48,3024.34,{"idx":3723,"utterance_id":3724,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3725,"start_s":3726,"end_s":3727,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},613,"172565","We are reducing the deficit.",3024.62,3026.24,{"idx":3729,"utterance_id":3730,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3731,"start_s":3732,"end_s":3733,"word_count":192,"indexable":74},614,"172566","Now, decisions... And I am a fiscal expert, so I take care of the budget and say, we will not spend more than we collect.",3026.66,3032.62,{"idx":3735,"utterance_id":3736,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3737,"start_s":3738,"end_s":3739,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},615,"172567","Now... making fiscal and budgetary policy in Brazil is not the responsibility of a single power; it is the responsibility of two: the National Congress and the Executive, that is, the Legislative and the Executive.",3033.78,3044.54,{"idx":3741,"utterance_id":3742,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3743,"start_s":3744,"end_s":3745,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},616,"172568","When we sent some cost-containment measures, look, there's a drain here, there's water leaking from this drain 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expenditures.",3078.54,3083.68,{"idx":3789,"utterance_id":3790,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3791,"start_s":3792,"end_s":3793,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},624,"172576","Do you know how much we give to certain sectors?",3084.14,3086.14,{"idx":64,"utterance_id":3795,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3796,"start_s":3797,"end_s":3798,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},"172577","I'm not saying whether they should or not; some must continue.",3086.16,3088.4,{"idx":3800,"utterance_id":3801,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3802,"start_s":3803,"end_s":3804,"word_count":257,"indexable":74},626,"172578","For the sectors — the agribusiness sector, which is mine, the commerce sector, the industry sector, and so on — the Free Trade Zone of Manaus, the Federal District, which has a specific fund for the Federal District, almost R$800 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for.",3109.18,3121.8,{"idx":763,"utterance_id":3824,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3825,"start_s":3826,"end_s":3827,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},"172582","So, tax waivers have a cost.",3122.28,3124.28,{"idx":3829,"utterance_id":3830,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3831,"start_s":3832,"end_s":3833,"word_count":147,"indexable":74},631,"172583","The Brazilian government doesn't have the money to fulfill people's dreams.",3125,3128.26,{"idx":3835,"utterance_id":3836,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3837,"start_s":3838,"end_s":3839,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},632,"172584","So, in this respect, we have to review them every year.",3128.92,3131.76,{"idx":3841,"utterance_id":3842,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3843,"start_s":3844,"end_s":3845,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},633,"172585","What used to be good as a tax incentive — sometimes 30 years ago — isn't anymore.",3132.16,3136.36,{"idx":3847,"utterance_id":3848,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3849,"start_s":3850,"end_s":3851,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},634,"172586","So, the National Congress is committed to that.",3136.66,3140.8,{"idx":3853,"utterance_id":3854,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3855,"start_s":3856,"end_s":3857,"word_count":180,"indexable":74},635,"172587","The only thing I wanted to finish with is the following, and again, the poor cannot cry out.",3141.1,3146,{"idx":3859,"utterance_id":3860,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3861,"start_s":3862,"end_s":3863,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},636,"172588","They don't have a channel.",3146.68,3147.98,{"idx":3865,"utterance_id":3866,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3867,"start_s":3868,"end_s":3869,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},637,"172589","an open, direct channel from their cellphone to the President of the Chamber of Deputies, to the Senate, to the President of the Republic, to the Minister.",3148.42,3153.1,{"idx":3871,"utterance_id":3872,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3873,"start_s":3874,"end_s":3875,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},638,"172590","So, today the ones who fight are the big lobbies.",3153.56,3155.84,{"idx":3877,"utterance_id":3878,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3879,"start_s":3880,"end_s":3881,"word_count":186,"indexable":74},639,"172591","The people who are out there working, having to earn their daily bread, cannot shout out.",3156.62,3160.8,{"idx":3883,"utterance_id":3884,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3885,"start_s":3886,"end_s":3887,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},640,"172592","So, what happens?",3161.18,3162.02,{"idx":3889,"utterance_id":3890,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3891,"start_s":3892,"end_s":3893,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},641,"172593","When you affect certain sectors, those sectors scream.",3162.08,3164.94,{"idx":3895,"utterance_id":3896,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3897,"start_s":3898,"end_s":3899,"word_count":287,"indexable":74},642,"172594","And we have to try to understand the following in Brazil: it's not possible for the impoverished middle class to pay 17% in taxes — people earning R$7,000, R$8,000, R$9,000 per month shouldn't have to pay 17%.",3165.4,3177.04,{"idx":3901,"utterance_id":3902,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3903,"start_s":3904,"end_s":3905,"word_count":141,"indexable":74},643,"172595","in taxes, and suddenly some sectors don't even pay 10%.",3177.54,3182.18,{"idx":3907,"utterance_id":3908,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3909,"start_s":3910,"end_s":3911,"word_count":109,"indexable":74},644,"172596","So you have to have a tax 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proposal.",3223.44,3225.14,{"idx":3979,"utterance_id":3980,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3981,"start_s":3982,"end_s":3983,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},656,"172608","We have to accept winning and losing in a democracy.",3225.86,3228.66,{"idx":3985,"utterance_id":3986,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3987,"start_s":3988,"end_s":3989,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},657,"172609","So when the president says, 'I will exempt,' and sent the bill, it causes a problem for me as the Budget Minister.",3229.04,3236.6,{"idx":3991,"utterance_id":3992,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3993,"start_s":3994,"end_s":3995,"word_count":102,"indexable":74},658,"172610","To exempt, I'll stop collecting almost, I don't know, R$30 billion.",3237.24,3242.9,{"idx":3997,"utterance_id":3998,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":3999,"start_s":4000,"end_s":4001,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},659,"172611","How do I make up for that shortfall?",3243.46,3246,{"idx":4003,"utterance_id":4004,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4005,"start_s":4006,"end_s":4007,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},660,"172612","The smart way is to review spending.",3246.5,3248.92,{"idx":4009,"utterance_id":4010,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4011,"start_s":4012,"end_s":4013,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},661,"172613","But it's easy to say.",3249.42,3250.42,{"idx":4015,"utterance_id":4016,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4017,"start_s":4018,"end_s":4019,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},662,"172614","When you go to ask for votes in the National Congress, it's hard to find anyone willing to review them.",3250.86,3255.52,{"idx":4021,"utterance_id":4022,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4023,"start_s":4024,"end_s":4025,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},663,"172615","It's good that the President of the Chamber of Deputies and the President of the 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right?",3274.62,3275.5,{"idx":4074,"utterance_id":4075,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4076,"start_s":4077,"end_s":4078,"word_count":81,"indexable":74},672,"172624","Yes, including credit-related and financial ones.",3275.72,3277.92,{"idx":4080,"utterance_id":4081,"speaker_name":69,"text":4082,"start_s":4083,"end_s":4084,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},673,"172625","The deficit today, annually... would it be 10% of that?",3278.22,3281.5,{"idx":4086,"utterance_id":4087,"speaker_name":69,"text":4088,"start_s":4089,"end_s":4090,"word_count":88,"indexable":74},674,"172626","No, the deficit is much less today.",3282.04,3283.44,{"idx":4092,"utterance_id":4093,"speaker_name":69,"text":4094,"start_s":4095,"end_s":4096,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},675,"172627","Much less than that?",3283.52,3284.12,{"idx":4098,"utterance_id":4099,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4100,"start_s":4101,"end_s":4102,"word_count":126,"indexable":74},676,"172628","Today the deficit, even under the fiscal framework law, Brazil's deficit can't exceed R$30 billion per year.",3284.32,3291.96,{"idx":4104,"utterance_id":4105,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4106,"start_s":4102,"end_s":4107,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},677,"172629","R$30 billion per year.",3292.7,{"idx":4109,"utterance_id":4110,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4111,"start_s":4112,"end_s":4113,"word_count":104,"indexable":74},678,"172630","Yes, R$30 billion per year.",3293.08,3294.3,{"idx":4115,"utterance_id":4116,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4117,"start_s":4118,"end_s":4119,"word_count":128,"indexable":74},679,"172631","In other words, I need only 5% of that.",3294.32,3296.3,{"idx":835,"utterance_id":4121,"speaker_name":69,"text":4122,"start_s":4123,"end_s":4124,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},"172632","And the EF would resolve 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they practically end up seizing part of the Brazilian budget.",3388.82,3394.1,{"idx":4293,"utterance_id":4294,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4295,"start_s":4296,"end_s":4297,"word_count":97,"indexable":74},709,"172661","I'll give a simple example.",3394.52,3395.64,{"idx":4299,"utterance_id":4300,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4301,"start_s":4302,"end_s":4303,"word_count":115,"indexable":74},710,"172662","We say, 'Wow, the Brazilian budget is over R$5 trillion.'",3395.92,3400.42,{"idx":4305,"utterance_id":4306,"speaker_name":135,"speaker_slug":136,"text":4307,"start_s":4308,"end_s":4309,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},711,"172663","Removing debt service — which I have to pay on loans that were taken out by other governments, by all governments — I have, let's say, a R$3 trillion 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