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details.",{"idx":482,"utterance_id":483,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":484,"start_s":485,"end_s":486,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":487,"target_proposition":488,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":489,"rationale":490,"indexable":257},61,"212429","And here in São Paulo, first of all, we do not have a valued police force today.",343.6,348.74,"2f885c22-1307-4a85-9ff8-cb36b7fa7583","value state police with better pay and strengthen disciplinary control mechanisms",0.86,"Says that today 'não temos uma polícia valorizada' and highlights the need.",{"idx":150,"utterance_id":492,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":493,"start_s":494,"end_s":495,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},"212430","We 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P.",1051.8,1054.52,{"idx":1334,"utterance_id":1335,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1336,"start_s":1337,"end_s":1338,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},196,"212564","I'm just not wanting to make a false symmetry.",1054.54,1058.1,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},"212565","I'm talking about a presidential candidate.",1058.9,1060.62,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},198,"212566","I'm not talking about his son, I'm talking about him.",1060.64,1063.02,{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},199,"212567","So let's not place such different things on the same 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There are 50 thousand councilors in Brazil.",1069.94,1073.82,{"idx":1369,"utterance_id":1370,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1371,"start_s":1372,"end_s":1373,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},202,"212570","There is only one commander of the Military Police of São Paulo.",1074.64,1076.96,{"idx":1375,"utterance_id":1376,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1377,"start_s":1378,"end_s":1379,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},203,"212571","And he is chosen by the governor; he does not have a mandate.",1077.92,1080.44,{"idx":1381,"utterance_id":1382,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1383,"start_s":1384,"end_s":1385,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},204,"212572","Chosen by the governor.",1081,1081.96,{"idx":1387,"utterance_id":1388,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1389,"start_s":1390,"end_s":1391,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},205,"212573","So, let's begin... Let's make the appropriate distinctions so as not to confuse apples and oranges.",1082.22,1088.68,{"idx":1393,"utterance_id":1394,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1395,"start_s":1396,"end_s":1397,"word_count":112,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":265,"target_proposition":266,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":280,"rationale":1398,"indexable":257},206,"212574","Now, regarding what you're talking about, what I think... Here's the thing: I will support the PEC on public security.",1089.16,1094.88,"Declares explicitly 'eu vou apoiar a PEC da segurança pública'.",{"idx":1400,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":157,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":352,"target_proposition":353,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":1405,"indexable":257},207,"212575","I believe that federative cooperation is the way to overcome our problem.",1095.5,1101.04,"Says they believe federative cooperation is the way.",{"idx":1407,"utterance_id":1408,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1409,"start_s":1410,"end_s":1411,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":265,"target_proposition":266,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":1412,"indexable":257},208,"212576","I believe in a unified public security system.",1101.46,1103.94,"States belief in a unified public security system.",{"idx":1414,"utterance_id":1415,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1416,"start_s":1417,"end_s":1418,"word_count":145,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1147,"target_proposition":1148,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":280,"rationale":1419,"indexable":257},209,"212577","I believe in the Federal Police; I think it must be strengthened.",1104.5,1107.72,"Declares belief in the PF and that it should be strengthened.",{"idx":1421,"utterance_id":1422,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1423,"start_s":1424,"end_s":1425,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1426,"target_proposition":1427,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":1428,"indexable":257},210,"212578","The fact that I grant a seat in the governor's office to a superintendent of the Federal Police in São Paulo — it's obvious that they can refuse.",1108.26,1116.44,"1cb5d18f-a452-47b1-8805-d6f7acbde7d1","create a permanent integration office among Federal Police, Civil Police, Military Police and Penal Police","Proposes giving a seat to the PF superintendent in the governor's cabinet.",{"idx":1430,"utterance_id":1431,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1432,"start_s":1433,"end_s":1434,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},211,"212579","But I would like to know why they would refuse if I invite them.",1116.56,1119.16,{"idx":1436,"utterance_id":1437,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1438,"start_s":1439,"end_s":1440,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},212,"212580","Me, as state governor.",1119.94,1120.94,{"idx":1442,"utterance_id":1443,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1444,"start_s":1445,"end_s":1446,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1426,"target_proposition":1427,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":1447,"indexable":257},213,"212581","I'll go to the president and say, I would like the superintendent of the Federal Police in São Paulo to have a seat in my office.",1121.16,1127.22,"Reiterates that they will ask the president for a seat for the superintendent in the cabinet.",{"idx":1449,"utterance_id":1450,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1451,"start_s":1452,"end_s":1453,"word_count":341,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1454,"target_proposition":1455,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":1456,"indexable":257},214,"212582","Because I want to know whether there is an exchange of information, whether the intelligence from here and there are cooperating, whether COAF is providing transaction data, whether the Revenue Service has indications of illegalities being committed during inspections.",1127.24,1143.08,"5929d1fb-c06f-4492-978e-b4e8b8deb5bf","create an integrated task force among COAF, Receita Federal, PF and PRF","Wants to know if COAF, Receita and intelligence are exchanging information.",{"idx":1458,"utterance_id":1459,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1460,"start_s":1461,"end_s":1462,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},215,"212583","And what answer will I receive?",1144.34,1145.76,{"idx":1464,"utterance_id":1465,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1466,"start_s":1467,"end_s":1468,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},216,"212584","No?",1146.02,1146.22,{"idx":1470,"utterance_id":1471,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1472,"start_s":1473,"end_s":1474,"word_count":145,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":1477,"indexable":257},217,"212585","If I want to chair a command to attack organized crime?",1147.36,1151.4,"c62e8473-a14f-4f79-9eb1-22b5e13fc016","promote interinstitutional cooperation to combat organized crime","Expresses intention to preside over a command to attack organized crime.",{"idx":1479,"utterance_id":1480,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1481,"start_s":1482,"end_s":1483,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":1484,"indexable":257},218,"212586","Well, at the very least, we will create a great embarrassment, because I will be asking for an effective and efficient participation in a body that I intend to chair, and I doubt I will hear no as an answer.",1151.82,1165,"Says they will request effective participation and expects agreement.",{"idx":1486,"utterance_id":1487,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1488,"start_s":1489,"end_s":1490,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},219,"212587","What does the Federal Police lose?",1165.28,1166.78,{"idx":1492,"utterance_id":1493,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1494,"start_s":1495,"end_s":1496,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":1497,"indexable":257},220,"212588","by saying, look, take part in a meeting with the governor.",1167.6,1169.9,"Proposes that the Polícia Federal participate in a meeting with the governor.",{"idx":1499,"utterance_id":1500,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1501,"start_s":1502,"end_s":1503,"word_count":119,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":1504,"indexable":257},221,"212589","You, as superintendent of São Paulo, see what the state's needs are to combat crime.",1170.48,1176.6,"Instructs the superintendent to map the state's needs to combat crime.",{"idx":1506,"utterance_id":1507,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1508,"start_s":1509,"end_s":1510,"word_count":157,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":1511,"rationale":1512,"indexable":257},222,"212590","Instead of us fighting for protagonism... Let's focus on what is necessary.",1176.92,1180.92,0.82,"Criticizes the struggle for protagonism and calls for a focus on cooperation.",{"idx":1514,"utterance_id":1515,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1516,"start_s":1517,"end_s":1518,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":532,"rationale":1519,"indexable":74},223,"212591","And, again, Operation Carbono Oculto happened.",1181.18,1184.8,"Reports the existence of operation 'carbono oculto' without proposing immediate action.",{"idx":1521,"utterance_id":1522,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1523,"start_s":1524,"end_s":1525,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1475,"target_proposition":1476,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":1526,"indexable":257},224,"212592","But it cannot be an exception, as it is today.",1185.28,1188.48,"Says the operation cannot be an exception, advocating its 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saying 'this is mine, this is yours,' pushing it from one to the other, that's why our Constitution has an entire chapter on education, another chapter on social security, which includes health, assistance, pensions, another chapter on sport, on culture — it does not have a chapter on public security.",1211.94,1235.42,"Argues that the Constitution lacks a chapter on security and calls for an institutional step.",{"idx":1596,"utterance_id":1597,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1598,"start_s":1599,"end_s":1600,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},236,"212604","That is not normal.",1235.88,1236.54,{"idx":1602,"utterance_id":1603,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1604,"start_s":1605,"end_s":1606,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":278,"target_proposition":279,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":1607,"rationale":1608,"indexable":74},237,"212605","So we need to take an institutional step.",1237.48,1240.04,0.83,"Reiterates that it is necessary to take an institutional step.",{"idx":1610,"utterance_id":1611,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1612,"start_s":1613,"end_s":1614,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1615,"target_proposition":1616,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":1617,"indexable":257},238,"212606","Now, it needs the governor's command, because I am in favor of the governor being the authority responsible for security, as he is today.",1240.54,1247.92,"6856ad8f-1d06-4005-96db-8c65fa6fbaf5","have the governor assume direct responsibility for state public security","Says explicitly 'sou a favor' that the governor should be the responsible authority.",{"idx":1619,"utterance_id":1620,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1621,"start_s":1622,"end_s":1623,"word_count":313,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1624,"target_proposition":1625,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":1626,"indexable":257},239,"212607","But that he have reinforcement, both from the mayors, because today the Civil Guard can do, according to the Supreme Federal Tribunal, some type of work involving public security, but also from the federal government, which has very qualified agencies.",1249.1,1265.12,"ab5895b5-71ee-4c50-b1b1-4014eb3a7915","integrate security forces across the Union, states, and institutions","Advocates strengthening mayors' and the federal government's role in state security.",{"idx":1628,"utterance_id":1629,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1630,"start_s":1631,"end_s":1632,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":1633,"topic_label":1634,"target_id":1635,"target_proposition":1636,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":1637,"indexable":74},240,"212608","I know the Revenue Service very well.",1265.58,1267.14,"gestao-publica-educacao","Public Management \u002F Education","edde3aa6-073f-45c6-aadb-902bed20d054","use the Federal Revenue Service to support security agencies in investigating and fighting crime","Proposes using Receita's capacity as support for security agencies.",{"idx":1639,"utterance_id":1640,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1641,"start_s":1642,"end_s":1643,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},241,"212609","And I tell you, the Revenue Service is an extraordinary asset.",1267.48,1271.2,{"idx":1645,"utterance_id":1646,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1647,"start_s":1648,"end_s":1649,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},242,"212610","It is not a security agency.",1272.22,1273.66,{"idx":1651,"utterance_id":1652,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1653,"start_s":1654,"end_s":1655,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},243,"212611","The Revenue Service is not. It is a supervisory agency.",1274.74,1276.94,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1657,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1658,"start_s":1659,"end_s":1660,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},"212612","But the support it can provide to security agencies to combat crime — I am convinced, from three years at the Ministry of Finance, that we can do speculative work.",1277.4,1287.04,{"idx":1662,"utterance_id":1663,"speaker_name":69,"text":1664,"start_s":1665,"end_s":1666,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},245,"212613","This infiltration of organized crime into the police, if I cite some cases, there are many others.",1287.06,1291.9,{"idx":1668,"utterance_id":1669,"speaker_name":69,"text":1670,"start_s":1671,"end_s":1672,"word_count":356,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1673,"target_proposition":1674,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":1675,"indexable":257},246,"212614","And in your government program in 2020, you had a proposal to detach the internal affairs offices from the police leaderships, linking them to the Secretariat of Public Security, to prevent investigations from sometimes remaining inside the police battalion itself.",1293.3,1305.66,"45db4df0-efd9-491c-afad-87fa653607a2","link police internal affairs divisions to the Public Security Secretariat","Reinstates a previous proposal to detach the internal affairs units and link them to the Secretariat.",{"idx":1677,"utterance_id":1678,"speaker_name":69,"text":1679,"start_s":1680,"end_s":1681,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1673,"target_proposition":1674,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":1682,"indexable":74},247,"212615","In this year's program, it's a program that has a centrality in public security but a bit more streamlined than last year's; it does not have that proposal.",1306.36,1313.6,"Notes that the current program does not include that proposal, describing the difference.",{"idx":1684,"utterance_id":1685,"speaker_name":69,"text":1686,"start_s":1687,"end_s":1688,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1673,"target_proposition":1674,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":1690,"indexable":74},248,"212616","I would like to know whether you intend to do that or have changed your mind in some way.",1313.62,1317.38,0.6,"Asks whether the candidate intends to implement it or has changed their mind.",{"idx":1692,"utterance_id":1693,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1694,"start_s":1695,"end_s":1696,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1673,"target_proposition":1674,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":576,"rationale":1697,"indexable":257},249,"212617","Look, I... I think that idea is a good idea.",1317.88,1321.22,"Explicitly states that they think the idea is good.",{"idx":1699,"utterance_id":1700,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1701,"start_s":1702,"end_s":1703,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":278,"target_proposition":279,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":1704,"indexable":74},250,"212618","There was a more recent debate about the nature of this anti-faction office and we arrived at this format, this consensus.",1321.4,1329.52,"Reports a recent debate and consensus on the format of the anti-faction office.",{"idx":1706,"utterance_id":1707,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1708,"start_s":1709,"end_s":1710,"word_count":119,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1711,"target_proposition":1712,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":532,"rationale":1713,"indexable":74},251,"212619","But I believe one of the things that doesn't work in the State is the State's general comptroller's office.",1330.02,1335.34,"2a09867e-e401-4e21-b832-7bd14b58d3e4","strengthen comptroller offices with their own career paths and autonomy","States that the State comptroller's office doesn't work, pointing out a problem.",{"idx":1715,"utterance_id":1716,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1717,"start_s":1718,"end_s":1719,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},252,"212620","It doesn't even have its own career\u002Fservice.",1336.32,1337.9,{"idx":1721,"utterance_id":1722,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1723,"start_s":1724,"end_s":1725,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1711,"target_proposition":1712,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":1726,"indexable":257},253,"212621","When I set up the municipal general comptroller's office here in São Paulo, I created a dedicated career path for the comptroller.",1338.44,1343.36,"Claims to have created a dedicated career track in the municipal control office (track 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situation.",1350.42,1354.5,{"idx":1747,"utterance_id":1748,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1749,"start_s":1750,"end_s":1751,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},257,"212625","In October of that same year, we were already executing search and seizure, with everything, and we removed the bad professionals.",1355.32,1363.26,{"idx":1753,"utterance_id":1754,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1755,"start_s":1756,"end_s":1757,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},258,"212626","We have incredible State careers, tax auditors, both at the federal and municipal levels.",1363.6,1369.28,{"idx":1759,"utterance_id":1760,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1761,"start_s":1762,"end_s":1763,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":1764,"target_proposition":1765,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":1766,"indexable":257},259,"212627","Look at the State Treasury Department.",1370.02,1372.44,"c9062055-9d66-4bde-a76b-01f7ebd83b6e","strengthen comptroller and corregedoria offices and guarantee autonomy for internal investigations","Criticizes agencies with corruption cases and the absence of a strong control office.",{"idx":1768,"utterance_id":1769,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1770,"start_s":1771,"end_s":1772,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},260,"212628","What is happening with the State Treasury Department?",1373.44,1376.78,{"idx":1774,"utterance_id":1775,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1776,"start_s":1777,"end_s":1778,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},261,"212629","Look at the agencies, several secretariats with corruption cases.",1377.9,1381.54,{"idx":1780,"utterance_id":1781,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1782,"start_s":1783,"end_s":1784,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},262,"212630","And you don't have a strong comptroller's office.",1381.98,1383.86,{"idx":1786,"utterance_id":1787,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1788,"start_s":1789,"end_s":1790,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},263,"212631","You don't have a strong internal affairs office.",1384.48,1387.12,{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},264,"212632","You don't give people the autonomy to do their work.",1387.14,1389.8,{"idx":1798,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},265,"212633","And it's a false illusion to imagine that you are protecting the corporation.",1390.7,1396.32,{"idx":1804,"utterance_id":1805,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1806,"start_s":1807,"end_s":1808,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},266,"212634","You are not protecting the corporation.",1396.36,1398.42,{"idx":1810,"utterance_id":1811,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1812,"start_s":1813,"end_s":1814,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},267,"212635","This is the beginning of destroying the corporation.",1398.76,1400.94,{"idx":1816,"utterance_id":1817,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1818,"start_s":1819,"end_s":1820,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},268,"212636","When you don't have internal control mechanisms.",1401.46,1404.84,{"idx":1822,"utterance_id":1823,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1824,"start_s":1825,"end_s":1826,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},269,"212637","There is the Public Prosecutor's Office, which is external.",1406.02,1407.8,{"idx":1828,"utterance_id":1829,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1830,"start_s":1831,"end_s":1832,"word_count":378,"indexable":74},270,"212638","But if you don't have internal control mechanisms, you won't be able to carry out the cleansing of the public apparatus, to eliminate those elements that erode the ethical standard of conduct of a career as important as, for example, the military police, which is a major corporation.",1408.22,1427.84,{"idx":1834,"utterance_id":1835,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1836,"start_s":1837,"end_s":1838,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":1839,"target_proposition":1840,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":1841,"indexable":257},271,"212639","Now, if you let these elements act and don't take the necessary measures, before long, what will happen to São Paulo?",1428.48,1436.74,"ee1b233f-5416-40fe-b9b6-63b07c8b245a","reformulate the public security policy of the State of São Paulo","Calls for an urgent 'freio de arrumação' due to a loss of governance in security.",{"idx":1843,"utterance_id":1844,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1845,"start_s":1846,"end_s":1847,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},272,"212640","We already have examples here in Brazil.",1437.02,1438.64,{"idx":1849,"utterance_id":1850,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1851,"start_s":1852,"end_s":1853,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},273,"212641","of a complete loss of governance over public security.",1439.18,1442.64,{"idx":1855,"utterance_id":1856,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1857,"start_s":1858,"end_s":1859,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},274,"212642","Are we going to let that happen in São Paulo?",1442.7,1443.98,{"idx":1861,"utterance_id":1862,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1863,"start_s":1864,"end_s":1865,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},275,"212643","So we have to put the brakes on and straighten things out quickly in the state of São Paulo, because things are not going well.",1445,1450.56,{"idx":1867,"utterance_id":1868,"speaker_name":69,"text":1869,"start_s":1870,"end_s":1871,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},276,"212644","We'll take a short break, because Roda Viva will return shortly with Fernando Haddad.",1451.1,1454.86,{"idx":1873,"utterance_id":1874,"speaker_name":69,"text":1875,"start_s":1876,"end_s":1877,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},277,"212645","Be right back.",1454.94,1455.2,{"idx":1879,"utterance_id":1880,"speaker_name":69,"text":1881,"start_s":1882,"end_s":1883,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},278,"212646","Okay, we're back with the PT candidate for governor of the state of São Paulo, Fernando Haddad, candidate.",1495.42,1500.62,{"idx":1885,"utterance_id":1886,"speaker_name":69,"text":1887,"start_s":1888,"end_s":1889,"word_count":283,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":1892,"target_proposition":1893,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":1894,"indexable":74},279,"212647","We have a question from the audience: Eduardo Fraçato, from São Paulo, the capital, says the following: Brazilians face long queues for consultations, exams and surgeries, in addition to a lack of doctors and medicines in many regions.",1500.98,1513.08,"saude-publica-e-infraestrutura-hospitalar","Public Health and Hospital Infrastructure","6e88ed3f-62c2-463e-9abe-8da551b561f1","reduce waiting times for consultations, tests and surgeries in the SUS","Public question describing the problem of queues and a lack of doctors.",{"idx":1896,"utterance_id":1897,"speaker_name":69,"text":1898,"start_s":1899,"end_s":1900,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},280,"212648","What is your concrete proposal to reduce these queues and improve SUS care in the state of São Paulo?",1513.1,1519.2,{"idx":1902,"utterance_id":1903,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1904,"start_s":1905,"end_s":1906,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":1892,"target_proposition":1893,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":1907,"indexable":74},281,"212649","Well, first of all, we inherited a severe post-pandemic health crisis that affected the entire world.",1519.92,1525.56,"Attributes queues to the post-pandemic backlog, describing the context.",{"idx":1909,"utterance_id":1910,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1911,"start_s":1912,"end_s":1913,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},282,"212650","Many procedures were postponed.",1526.78,1529,{"idx":1915,"utterance_id":1916,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1917,"start_s":1918,"end_s":1919,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},283,"212651","Both consultations, exams, and surgeries.",1529.42,1531.94,{"idx":1921,"utterance_id":1922,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1923,"start_s":1924,"end_s":1925,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},284,"212652","What measure did we take in the federal government?",1532.7,1534.78,{"idx":1927,"utterance_id":1928,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1929,"start_s":1930,"end_s":1931,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":1932,"target_proposition":1933,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1934,"rationale":1935,"indexable":74},285,"212653","We reinstated the health funding floor.",1535.48,1537.28,"993ecb86-1672-4181-9064-d8a8897b1d3e","increase funding for SUS",0.72,"Reports that the health floor was reinstated, citing increased resources.",{"idx":1937,"utterance_id":1938,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1939,"start_s":1940,"end_s":1941,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},286,"212654","That represents an additional 100 billion per year for health.",1537.92,1542.16,{"idx":1943,"utterance_id":1944,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1945,"start_s":1946,"end_s":1947,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},287,"212655","We distributed these funds according to SUS rules.",1542.98,1547.98,{"idx":1949,"utterance_id":1950,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1951,"start_s":1952,"end_s":1953,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},288,"212656","It's not about party, nothing like that.",1548.88,1550.46,{"idx":1955,"utterance_id":1956,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1957,"start_s":1958,"end_s":1959,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},289,"212657","It's a SUS rule.",1550.5,1551.28,{"idx":1961,"utterance_id":1962,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1963,"start_s":1964,"end_s":1965,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},290,"212658","We distributed these resources across the country.",1551.8,1553.5,{"idx":1967,"utterance_id":1968,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1969,"start_s":1965,"end_s":1970,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},291,"212659","An additional 100 billion.",1554.42,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":1972,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1973,"start_s":1974,"end_s":1975,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},"212660","It's not 100 billion, it's 100 billion more.",1554.9,1556.54,{"idx":1977,"utterance_id":1978,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1979,"start_s":1980,"end_s":1981,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},293,"212661","President Lula ordered... to restore the health funding floor that Bolsonaro had cut.",1557.3,1561.22,{"idx":1983,"utterance_id":1984,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1985,"start_s":1986,"end_s":1987,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},294,"212662","The queues progressed well in Brazil — rather, not just well, I'd say better across the whole country.",1562.84,1567.84,{"idx":1989,"utterance_id":1990,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1991,"start_s":1992,"end_s":1993,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},295,"212663","The CRI was below the national average.",1568.04,1570.12,{"idx":1995,"utterance_id":1996,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":1997,"start_s":1998,"end_s":1999,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},296,"212664","So we have a queue management problem, of course, in the SUS.",1570.7,1573.94,{"idx":2001,"utterance_id":2002,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2003,"start_s":2004,"end_s":2005,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2006,"target_proposition":2007,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":2008,"indexable":257},297,"212665","First because the regulation system, the CROSS, is outdated.",1574.34,1578.14,"4c2c8a05-8653-4400-816b-1c936adc3119","implement a zero-wait system in SUS for immediate care","Advocates adopting the model of 'cuidado integral' to avoid queue-to-queue.",{"idx":2010,"utterance_id":2011,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2012,"start_s":2013,"end_s":2014,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},298,"212666","The queue doesn't have intelligent management.",1578.44,1580.24,{"idx":2016,"utterance_id":2017,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2018,"start_s":2019,"end_s":2020,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},299,"212667","You get on the consultation queue, you leave the consultation queue, go to the exam queue, leave the exam queue, go to surgery.",1580.98,1589.3,{"idx":2022,"utterance_id":2023,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2024,"start_s":2025,"end_s":2026,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},300,"212668","All this can take two years before you complete your treatment.",1590.08,1593.5,{"idx":2028,"utterance_id":2029,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2030,"start_s":2031,"end_s":2032,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},301,"212669","Today the Ministry of Health organized — there are specialists here — a new modality, which São Paulo has not adopted, it should be said, which is a kind of comprehensive care.",1594,1604.72,{"idx":2034,"utterance_id":2035,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2036,"start_s":2037,"end_s":2038,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},302,"212670","You contract the treatment for the person, you contract a package for the 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Paulo.",{"idx":2060,"utterance_id":2061,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2062,"start_s":2063,"end_s":2064,"word_count":283,"indexable":74},306,"212674","Here in São Paulo I created the Day Hospital, for example, for outpatient surgeries, to avoid hospitalizing a person who can recover at home, because outpatient surgery solves their problem.",1620.88,1633.66,{"idx":2066,"utterance_id":2067,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2068,"start_s":2069,"end_s":2070,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},307,"212675","So you have several procedures through which you organize the queue better.",1634,1639.06,{"idx":2072,"utterance_id":2073,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2074,"start_s":2075,"end_s":2076,"word_count":137,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2077,"target_proposition":2078,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":2079,"indexable":257},308,"212676","We do not currently have a control panel for available beds in the State.",1640,1645.16,"0b9d0cdc-5d4e-453e-bf51-cb4fcdba0617","digitize and integrate health systems and implement private-sector standard technology in SUS","Advocates a bed dashboard and integration of SAMU, criticizing the current system.",{"idx":2081,"utterance_id":2082,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2083,"start_s":2084,"end_s":2085,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},309,"212677","You don't have a control panel.",1645.56,1646.82,{"idx":2087,"utterance_id":2088,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2089,"start_s":2090,"end_s":2091,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},310,"212678","Imagine having to pick up the phone today — as if we were still in the landline age here in São Paulo — for some procedures.",1647.2,1654.56,{"idx":2093,"utterance_id":2094,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2095,"start_s":2096,"end_s":2097,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},311,"212679","Pick up the phone to find out where there is a vacancy.",1655.2,1657.84,{"idx":2099,"utterance_id":2100,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2101,"start_s":2102,"end_s":2103,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},312,"212680","SAMU is not integrated to know where to take patients.",1658.32,1661.7,{"idx":2105,"utterance_id":2106,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2107,"start_s":2108,"end_s":2109,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},313,"212681","You lose time.",1661.86,1663.12,{"idx":2111,"utterance_id":2112,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2113,"start_s":2114,"end_s":2115,"word_count":245,"indexable":74},314,"212682","Sometimes a patient has a more serious problem than another, you respect chronological order and you lose the patient because they needed emergency care.",1664.04,1676.3,{"idx":2117,"utterance_id":2118,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2119,"start_s":2120,"end_s":2121,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2122,"target_proposition":2123,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":2124,"indexable":257},315,"212683","In Piauí, they set up an intelligence system that reduced deaths from heart attacks by 26%, with intelligent queue management.",1676.88,1689.3,"efc92aa9-306f-4801-8b67-15260003a54f","use artificial intelligence to prioritize care in SUS","Cites reduced deaths in Piauí from an intelligence system as an example.",{"idx":2126,"utterance_id":2127,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2128,"start_s":2129,"end_s":2130,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},316,"212684","The Farmácia Popular is a success, to continue the answer.",1690.02,1693.4,{"idx":2132,"utterance_id":2133,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2134,"start_s":2135,"end_s":2136,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},317,"212685","We moved from a medication where you paid 10% — now you pay nothing.",1694,1698.46,{"idx":2138,"utterance_id":2139,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2140,"start_s":2141,"end_s":2142,"word_count":137,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2143,"target_proposition":2144,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":280,"rationale":2145,"indexable":257},318,"212686","And I will implement here in São Paulo, furthermore, the Mobile Farmácia Popular.",1699.08,1703.24,"00d2c435-c9f5-4390-9841-c5ac56e1851b","implement Mobile Farmácia Popular and home delivery of medicines","Announces explicit intention to implement a Mobile Farmácia Popular and deliver it.",{"idx":2147,"utterance_id":2148,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2149,"start_s":2150,"end_s":2151,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},319,"212687","There are many people who cannot keep going to pick it up; sometimes there's a queue to pick it up.",1703.66,1708.48,{"idx":2153,"utterance_id":2154,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2155,"start_s":2156,"end_s":2157,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},320,"212688","We will create a distribution system for home delivery.",1708.86,1713.3,{"idx":2159,"utterance_id":2160,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2161,"start_s":2162,"end_s":2163,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},321,"212689","We will implement the Mobile Farmácia Popular, which will deliver to a group of people who have various delays in receiving, including high-cost medication.",1713.66,1724.68,{"idx":2165,"utterance_id":2166,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2167,"start_s":2168,"end_s":2169,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},322,"212690","So things need to be organized more or less across the board.",1724.98,1727.12,{"idx":2171,"utterance_id":2172,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2173,"start_s":2174,"end_s":2175,"word_count":163,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2176,"target_proposition":2177,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":2178,"indexable":257},323,"212691","Today you have, within digital health, several procedures that also speed things up.",1728.06,1734.98,"eceb4dd7-4e76-41fb-a813-26521c6d0ef2","expand telemedicine and telecare programs in health services","Says digital health speeds up procedures and should be used.",{"idx":2180,"utterance_id":2181,"speaker_name":69,"text":2182,"start_s":2183,"end_s":2184,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},324,"212692","How long does this take?",1735.3,1736.4,{"idx":2186,"utterance_id":2187,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2188,"start_s":2189,"end_s":2190,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2191,"target_proposition":2192,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":2193,"indexable":257},325,"212693","Look, I think it's not... Look, there must be investment in the SUS, you will have to... There is still a lack of beds.",1737.56,1744.78,"68a90cb4-9fb5-40bb-b7c8-d70531565201","expand public health network by increasing hospital beds","Acknowledges the need for beds and cites federal financing of UPAs\u002FUBSs.",{"idx":2195,"utterance_id":2196,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2197,"start_s":2198,"end_s":2199,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},326,"212694","Beds that were closed during the pandemic were reopened, but there is still a need.",1745.24,1749.58,{"idx":2201,"utterance_id":2202,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2203,"start_s":2204,"end_s":2205,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},327,"212695","If there are day hospitals here, the federal government is financing a lot of BS and many UPAs in the state of São Paulo.",1749.96,1757.26,{"idx":2207,"utterance_id":2208,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2209,"start_s":2210,"end_s":2211,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},328,"212696","I visited the Sorocaba region recently; there we are finishing three UPAs, three UBSs, financed by the federal government.",1757.68,1765.46,{"idx":2213,"utterance_id":2214,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2215,"start_s":2216,"end_s":2217,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},329,"212697","But I think the management overhaul of the queue happens in the first year.",1766.68,1771.4,{"idx":2219,"utterance_id":2220,"speaker_name":69,"text":2221,"start_s":2222,"end_s":2223,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},330,"212698","New units.",1771.74,1772.68,{"idx":2225,"utterance_id":2226,"speaker_name":69,"text":2227,"start_s":2228,"end_s":2229,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},331,"212699","It's an option; there are more than 100 public hospitals in the state of São Paulo.",1772.72,1776.34,{"idx":2231,"utterance_id":2232,"speaker_name":69,"text":2233,"start_s":2234,"end_s":2235,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},332,"212700","Half are in the hands of social organizations, the other half is direct administration.",1776.72,1782.84,{"idx":2237,"utterance_id":2238,"speaker_name":69,"text":2239,"start_s":2240,"end_s":2241,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},333,"212701","Do you intend to increase that number, sir?",1783.3,1785.64,{"idx":442,"utterance_id":2243,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2244,"start_s":2245,"end_s":2246,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2247,"target_proposition":2248,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":2249,"indexable":257},"212702","The government program foresees some new units.",1787.72,1790.54,"2085f243-f6c3-44c2-b048-9211ccc50747","expand and strengthen the public health network","States the government program foresees new units.",{"idx":2251,"utterance_id":2252,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2253,"start_s":2254,"end_s":2255,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},335,"212703","I am here with Deputy Emílio de Souza, who made the government plan and identified the areas where it will need to expand.",1790.58,1796.58,{"idx":2257,"utterance_id":2258,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2259,"start_s":2260,"end_s":2261,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},336,"212704","Beds.",1796.66,1796.92,{"idx":2263,"utterance_id":2264,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2265,"start_s":2266,"end_s":2267,"word_count":319,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2268,"target_proposition":2269,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":2270,"indexable":257},337,"212705","But another thing I want to do is, for example, the Santas Casas, which are very important in the state of São Paulo — I proposed to them in Brasília, saying, look, let's set up a purchasing center.",1797.34,1808.48,"a22b7771-db8c-4621-a5e7-71c216ce8194","create a central purchasing unit for the Santas Casas","Proposes centralizing purchases to reduce prices, citing federal experience.",{"idx":2272,"utterance_id":2273,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2274,"start_s":2275,"end_s":2276,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},338,"212706","You buy in a very fragmented way.",1808.54,1810.82,{"idx":2278,"utterance_id":2279,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2280,"start_s":2281,"end_s":2282,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},339,"212707","If you have purchasing power, you will be able to negotiate prices.",1811.18,1815.88,{"idx":2284,"utterance_id":2285,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2286,"start_s":2287,"end_s":2288,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},340,"212708","as I did with the university hospitals of the federal universities.",1816.32,1819.92,{"idx":2290,"utterance_id":2291,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2292,"start_s":2293,"end_s":2294,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},341,"212709","Prices fell by 40% to 60%.",1820.46,1823.4,{"idx":2296,"utterance_id":2297,"speaker_name":69,"text":2298,"start_s":2299,"end_s":2300,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},342,"212710","Can this be done at the state level?",1823.82,1825.72,{"idx":2302,"utterance_id":2303,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2304,"start_s":2305,"end_s":2306,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},343,"212711","It must be done, because they pay high prices for what they buy, because it's an individual Santa Casa making purchases.",1825.92,1830.32,{"idx":2308,"utterance_id":2309,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2310,"start_s":2311,"end_s":2312,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},344,"212712","If you have all of them, or half of them, in a purchasing pool, you bring down the price of supplies.",1830.82,1837.36,{"idx":2314,"utterance_id":2315,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2316,"start_s":2317,"end_s":2318,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":2319,"target_proposition":2320,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":2321,"indexable":257},345,"212713","Another thing is the renegotiation of the Santas Casas' debt.",1837.86,1840.62,"efe1588b-35b4-4784-8998-ca1a6e89d67d","strengthen the Santas Casas financially through centralized procurement and lines of credit","Proposes renegotiating debts and creating a development bank for Santas Casas.",{"idx":2323,"utterance_id":2324,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2325,"start_s":2326,"end_s":2327,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},346,"212714","I am planning here to create a development bank.",1841.38,1844.02,{"idx":2329,"utterance_id":2330,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2331,"start_s":2332,"end_s":2333,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},347,"212715","within the BNDES modules, but to serve a different type of clientele that BNDES does not serve.",1844.5,1852.04,{"idx":2335,"utterance_id":2336,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2337,"start_s":2338,"end_s":2339,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":2340,"topic_label":2341,"target_id":2342,"target_proposition":2343,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":2344,"indexable":257},348,"212716","One axis of action is the reindustrialization of the State.",1853.06,1857.72,"politica-economica-desenvolvimento-regional","Economic Policy \u002F Regional Development","e8401386-5e04-4334-8821-bd08b2132769","prepare São Paulo for reindustrialization through tax reform and an end to the tax war","Links tax reform and the end of the fiscal war to the state's reindustrialization.",{"idx":2346,"utterance_id":2347,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2348,"start_s":2349,"end_s":2350,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},349,"212717","With tax reform and the end of the fiscal war, São Paulo can prepare to reindustrialize.",1858.22,1865.44,{"idx":2352,"utterance_id":2353,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2354,"start_s":2355,"end_s":2356,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},350,"212718","Without tax reform, forget it, but it's been approved and will come into force on January 1st of next year.",1865.78,1870.9,{"idx":2358,"utterance_id":2359,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2360,"start_s":2361,"end_s":2362,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":2363,"topic_label":2364,"target_id":2365,"target_proposition":2366,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":2367,"indexable":74},351,"212719","So we have the conditions.",1871.34,1872.26,"politica-tarifaria","Tariff Policy","aad4c1ea-9506-4252-882d-3d68f1bc286e","reform the tax system","States the reform is approved and will take effect; a factual report.",{"idx":2369,"utterance_id":2370,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2371,"start_s":2372,"end_s":2373,"word_count":137,"topic_slug":2374,"topic_label":2375,"target_id":2376,"target_proposition":2377,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":2378,"indexable":257},352,"212720","The other thing is to finance this type of debt swap, for example.",1872.64,1875.72,"politica-energetica-financas-publicas","Energy & Public Finance","bd5b2a8f-f92c-433f-a1ad-abb6672a3522","facilitate swapping expensive debt for cheap debt for health institutions","Proposes financing debt swaps for Santas Casas with the State playing an articulating role.",{"idx":2380,"utterance_id":2381,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2382,"start_s":2383,"end_s":2384,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},353,"212721","A Santa Casa can swap an expensive debt for a cheap one, but the State needs to play a coordinating role in that.",1876.06,1882.5,{"idx":2386,"utterance_id":2387,"speaker_name":69,"text":2388,"start_s":2389,"end_s":2390,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},354,"212722","Pedro has a question, right?",1883.3,1884.56,{"idx":2392,"utterance_id":2393,"speaker_name":69,"text":2394,"start_s":2395,"end_s":2396,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},355,"212723","Thank you, sir.",1884.58,1885.32,{"idx":2398,"utterance_id":2399,"speaker_name":69,"text":2400,"start_s":2401,"end_s":2402,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},356,"212724","Picking up a bit from what Mônica brought up in the first block, the PT has never governed São Paulo, but it governs other states in the country.",1885.88,1894.68,{"idx":2404,"utterance_id":2405,"speaker_name":69,"text":2406,"start_s":2407,"end_s":2408,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},357,"212725","Since 2007 it has governed the state of Bahia, which is noted for the police, perhaps the most violent police in Brazil.",1895.24,1901.7,{"idx":2410,"utterance_id":2411,"speaker_name":69,"text":2412,"start_s":2413,"end_s":2414,"word_count":400,"indexable":74},358,"212726","Why should the voter of São Paulo expect a less violent police force if you become governor, and to ask whether you think body cameras will resolve — be able to resolve — the entire problem of police lethality that we have here in São Paulo?",1902.42,1915.66,{"idx":2416,"utterance_id":2417,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2418,"start_s":2419,"end_s":2420,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2421,"target_proposition":2422,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":2423,"indexable":74},359,"212727","Not completely, but it will help a lot.",1916.56,1918.56,"542ebdde-abba-4b39-9703-1f3f21b0a926","strengthen internal affairs and internal oversight of the police","Says cameras and effective internal control\u002Finternal affairs units will help reduce lethality.",{"idx":2425,"utterance_id":2426,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2427,"start_s":2428,"end_s":2429,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},360,"212728","I think the camera will help a lot.",1919.3,1921.7,{"idx":2431,"utterance_id":2432,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2433,"start_s":2434,"end_s":2435,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},361,"212729","I believe an effective control office and an effective internal affairs department will go a long way.",1922.26,1928.2,{"idx":2437,"utterance_id":2438,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2439,"start_s":2440,"end_s":2441,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2442,"target_proposition":2443,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":2444,"indexable":257},362,"212730","I think we must improve internal mechanisms.",1928.7,1931.08,"b3301390-9eea-4161-b428-66d54ac30f9e","strengthen internal control mechanisms and dialogue with the corporations","Supports improving internal mechanisms and conveying confidence to the force.",{"idx":2446,"utterance_id":2447,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2448,"start_s":2449,"end_s":2450,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},363,"212731","I think you have to instill confidence in the corporation that you want to change the service for the better.",1931.46,1937.68,{"idx":2452,"utterance_id":2453,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2454,"start_s":2455,"end_s":2456,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},364,"212732","I am outraged by this lack of initiative in talking to the troops.",1938.58,1942.76,{"idx":2458,"utterance_id":2459,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2460,"start_s":2461,"end_s":2462,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},365,"212733","In fact, you should know that there was a very serious disorganization of the chain of command in São Paulo.",1944.08,1949.94,{"idx":2464,"utterance_id":2465,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2466,"start_s":2467,"end_s":2468,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},366,"212734","The current government, through a series of somewhat crony criteria, ended up retiring very serious people from the Military Police.",1951.02,1960.54,{"idx":2470,"utterance_id":2471,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2472,"start_s":2473,"end_s":2474,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},367,"212735","who were in active service and had the knowledge to effect a cultural change.",1961.12,1967.42,{"idx":2476,"utterance_id":2477,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2478,"start_s":2479,"end_s":2480,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},368,"212736","And they were retired because of that crony appointment that Tarcísio's secretary made in the Military Police, which caused great embarrassment for everyone.",1968.38,1978.56,{"idx":2482,"utterance_id":2483,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2484,"start_s":2485,"end_s":2486,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},369,"212737","I think there are colonels who even told me that it will take time for you to recover that corporate outlook.",1979.16,1988.52,{"idx":2488,"utterance_id":2489,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2490,"start_s":2491,"end_s":2492,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},370,"212738","with a well-structured chain of command.",1988.96,1991,{"idx":2494,"utterance_id":2495,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2496,"start_s":2497,"end_s":2498,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},371,"212739","But I believe that with dialogue, I think we can make a lot of progress on that.",1991.44,1996.22,{"idx":2500,"utterance_id":2501,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2502,"start_s":2503,"end_s":2504,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},372,"212740","And show everyone the following: we have a force that can function very well.",1996.72,2001.94,{"idx":2506,"utterance_id":2507,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2508,"start_s":2509,"end_s":2510,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":2511,"target_proposition":2512,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":2513,"indexable":257},373,"212741","And if that costs the removal of one or another professional who is not following the minimum rules of civility, that is for the good of the force.",2003.14,2012.82,"b8b5f496-4e53-4bf7-9004-e23ae0474948","remove compromised members from police forces","States that removing bad professionals is for the good of the force.",{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},374,"212742","It will not harm the force; it will do the force 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today.",2138.78,2142.26,{"idx":2697,"utterance_id":2698,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2699,"start_s":2700,"end_s":2701,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},402,"212770","I simply reproduced official data from the Finance Secretariat of the Treasury, which were the subject of a report in the newspaper Folha de São Paulo.",2143.6,2152.46,{"idx":2703,"utterance_id":2704,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2705,"start_s":2706,"end_s":2707,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},403,"212771","I reproduced them in a statement.",2152.7,2154.04,{"idx":2709,"utterance_id":2710,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2711,"start_s":2712,"end_s":2713,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},404,"212772","I said, look, what was a budget surplus turned into a deficit, official data.",2154.6,2160.54,{"idx":2715,"utterance_id":2716,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":2717,"start_s":2718,"end_s":2719,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},405,"212773","What was a primary surplus... fell by 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known.",2369.72,2375.6,{"idx":3012,"utterance_id":3013,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3014,"start_s":3015,"end_s":3016,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},450,"212818","When we took office, we had no idea what it was, because nobody had done anything.",2376.42,2381.4,{"idx":3018,"utterance_id":3019,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3020,"start_s":3021,"end_s":3022,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3023,"target_proposition":3024,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":3025,"indexable":257},451,"212819","We decided as follows: they would be tax-exempt.",2382.4,2386.2,"954beb72-d297-418d-9f15-852273a9bf45","exempt bets from taxes","claims action was taken ('elas ficaram isentas de impostos').",{"idx":3027,"utterance_id":3028,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3029,"start_s":3030,"end_s":3031,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2930,"target_proposition":2931,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":1511,"rationale":3032,"indexable":257},452,"212820","You pay taxes, I pay taxes, the Bets did not pay taxes.",2386.72,2389.54,"contrasts those who pay taxes with 'as bets não pagavam', criticizing the exemption.",{"idx":3034,"utterance_id":3035,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3036,"start_s":3037,"end_s":3038,"word_count":92,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2930,"target_proposition":2931,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":3039,"indexable":257},453,"212821","We said, well, if it's a legal activity, let's regulate how it contributes like any other company.",2390.02,2397.46,"proposes regulating the legal activity so that it contributes (explicit 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was the volume of resources involved in the Bets.",2407.24,2411.4,"reports the 'susto' at the large volume of resources involved.",{"idx":3061,"utterance_id":3062,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3063,"start_s":3064,"end_s":3065,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3066,"target_proposition":3067,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":3068,"indexable":257},457,"212825","It doesn't generate employment, because it's all digital; the number of jobs created is minimal, except indirectly.",2412.3,2418.84,"795e53d6-bc61-4724-8d2a-d44acf7cec6d","assess economic impact and jobs generated by online betting","states that the sector generates few jobs; a factual evaluation.",{"idx":3070,"utterance_id":3071,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3072,"start_s":3073,"end_s":3074,"word_count":119,"topic_slug":2991,"topic_label":2992,"target_id":3075,"target_proposition":3076,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1934,"rationale":3077,"indexable":74},458,"212826","I'm talking about football clubs, media outlets, which are effectively receiving advertising funds.",2419.34,2424.98,"9953059c-a991-4c87-90e7-4ee6284637b2","increase transparency about advertising payments to media and clubs","says advertising money goes to clubs and media; describes the situation without proposing action here.",{"idx":3079,"utterance_id":3080,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3081,"start_s":3082,"end_s":3083,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},459,"212827","This advertising is not something they themselves produce; they use the appropriate channels.",2425.06,2429.5,{"idx":3085,"utterance_id":3086,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3087,"start_s":3088,"end_s":3089,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2945,"target_proposition":2946,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3090,"indexable":257},460,"212828","We approved tough laws regarding irregular betting operators.",2430.3,2434.62,"states 'nós aprovamos leis duras' regarding irregular bets (calls for action).",{"idx":3092,"utterance_id":3093,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3094,"start_s":3095,"end_s":3096,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3097,"target_proposition":3098,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3099,"indexable":257},461,"212829","Now, the moment has arrived for Brazilians, the Brazilian people, in light of this, to be able to judge what is best for the country.",2435.1,2444.8,"1d2b06eb-0bb2-48c3-85b7-6d003c480a23","submit the issue of online betting to 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Ministry of Health.",{"idx":3115,"utterance_id":3116,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3117,"start_s":3118,"end_s":3119,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":3120,"target_proposition":3121,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":3122,"indexable":257},464,"212832","up to training health personnel for the correct approach to a person who may be developing substance dependence.",2464,2471.26,"c2cde4b1-6c0a-4bfa-9756-7904494ed35b","implement health programs to treat gambling addiction","supports training health personnel to address addiction.",{"idx":3124,"utterance_id":3125,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3126,"start_s":3127,"end_s":3128,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":3120,"target_proposition":3121,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3129,"indexable":257},465,"212833","There is also a questionnaire within SUS Digital, where you take a self-test to find out if you need support.",2471.78,2482.14,"mentions a questionnaire on SUS Digital and self-tests as measures adopted.",{"idx":3131,"utterance_id":3132,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3133,"start_s":3134,"end_s":3135,"word_count":157,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":3120,"target_proposition":3121,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3136,"indexable":257},466,"212834","If you find out you do, you can self-exclude or seek professional help.",2483.56,2488.76,"encourages self-exclusion and seeking professional support (health measures).",{"idx":3138,"utterance_id":3139,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3140,"start_s":3141,"end_s":3142,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":1890,"topic_label":1891,"target_id":3120,"target_proposition":3121,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":3143,"indexable":257},467,"212835","The Ministry of Health is taking that measure.",2489.14,2491.38,"states that the Ministry of Health is taking concrete measures.",{"idx":3145,"utterance_id":3146,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3147,"start_s":3148,"end_s":3149,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3097,"target_proposition":3098,"stance":3150,"stance_confidence":3151,"rationale":3152,"indexable":74},468,"212836","But honestly, I'm a bit skeptical.",2491.98,2493.98,"ambiguo",0.5,"expresses skepticism without clarifying whether they disagree with the consultation or the solution.",{"idx":3154,"utterance_id":3155,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3156,"start_s":3157,"end_s":3158,"word_count":112,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3097,"target_proposition":3098,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3159,"indexable":257},469,"212837","After four years without any regulation, I think we created a problem that should be submitted to public opinion.",2495.74,2505.42,"advocates explicitly submitting the problem to public opinion.",{"idx":3161,"utterance_id":3162,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3163,"start_s":3164,"end_s":3165,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3097,"target_proposition":3098,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":3166,"indexable":257},470,"212838","We should dialog with public opinion about the advisability of maintaining this ecosystem.",2505.68,2512.54,"proposes dialogue with society and Congress about the desirability of the ecosystem.",{"idx":3168,"utterance_id":3169,"speaker_name":69,"text":3170,"start_s":3171,"end_s":3172,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},471,"212839","Now, there are many interests... Public opinion in opinion polls, for example, is largely opposed, but at the same time largely involved, right?",2513.06,2521.06,{"idx":3174,"utterance_id":3175,"speaker_name":69,"text":3176,"start_s":3177,"end_s":3178,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},472,"212840","They already place bets and see damage to their family...",2521.08,2524.56,{"idx":3180,"utterance_id":3181,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3182,"start_s":3183,"end_s":3184,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},473,"212841","I haven't seen recent research on a ban on virtual gambling.",2524.58,2527.38,{"idx":3186,"utterance_id":3187,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3188,"start_s":3189,"end_s":3190,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},474,"212842","I haven't seen recent research.",2527.9,2528.96,{"idx":3192,"utterance_id":3193,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3194,"start_s":3195,"end_s":3196,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3197,"target_proposition":3198,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3199,"indexable":257},475,"212843","But I think a government... First, it has to be discussed during the election what to do with this ecosystem.",2529.32,2537.16,"4d346759-0750-494f-9c9b-2e918d5e3569","discuss online betting policy during the elections","says the issue must be discussed in the election (calls for an electoral debate).",{"idx":3201,"utterance_id":3202,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3203,"start_s":3204,"end_s":3205,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},476,"212844","It has to be discussed in the election.",2538.82,2540.32,{"idx":3207,"utterance_id":3208,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3209,"start_s":3210,"end_s":3211,"word_count":454,"topic_slug":3212,"topic_label":3213,"target_id":3214,"target_proposition":3215,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3216,"indexable":257},477,"212845","But after the election... I am in favor of this kind of consultation, of eventually having a dialogue with society, involving Congress, holding expert seminars, having health professionals say what's happening, banks opening up data on what's happening with people's finances, which are being compromised by this.",2540.56,2562.48,"regulacao-e-transparencia-financeira","Financial Regulation & Transparency","34dc90b3-8b2c-4110-bc34-55a8ee199b11","open accounts and financial documents for judicial and Public Ministry audit","asks banks to disclose data on financial harm caused by betting.",{"idx":3218,"utterance_id":3219,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3220,"start_s":3221,"end_s":3222,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},478,"212846","We could be talking about 40 or 50 — there are even estimates of over 50 billion reais that remain in betting houses per year.",2562.92,2570.98,{"idx":3224,"utterance_id":3225,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3226,"start_s":3227,"end_s":3228,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},479,"212847","That is not a small amount.",2571.78,2572.86,{"idx":3230,"utterance_id":3231,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3232,"start_s":3233,"end_s":3234,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},480,"212848","It's a percentage of Brazilian GDP.",2573.6,2576.5,{"idx":3236,"utterance_id":3237,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3238,"start_s":3239,"end_s":3240,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},481,"212849","It can reach 0.5% of Brazilian GDP.",2577.94,2581.06,{"idx":3242,"utterance_id":3243,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3244,"start_s":3245,"end_s":3246,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},482,"212850","It's a lot, a lot of money.",2581.6,2583.4,{"idx":3248,"utterance_id":3249,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3250,"start_s":3251,"end_s":3252,"word_count":239,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2930,"target_proposition":2931,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3253,"indexable":257},483,"212851","So today, knowing this because I got my hands on the problem to understand it — something Bolsonaro didn't do — we looked into it and today we know the scale is large.",2583.72,2597.68,"states they investigated the problem and found it to be large in scale (calls for action).",{"idx":3255,"utterance_id":3256,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3257,"start_s":3258,"end_s":3259,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3260,"target_proposition":3261,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":3262,"indexable":74},484,"212852","Personally, I don't think it's worth it.",2598.26,2600.46,"971974e4-ebcc-4824-a3ba-9b645ef8b3d8","maintain the online betting ecosystem","says 'não acho que vale a pena' about keeping the sector (explicit negative evaluation).",{"idx":3264,"utterance_id":3265,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3266,"start_s":3267,"end_s":3268,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3260,"target_proposition":3261,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3269,"indexable":257},485,"212853","I think it's a sector that really doesn't contribute anything to the Brazilian economy, to entertainment, or to people's wellbeing.",2601.26,2609.52,"explicitly states that the sector 'não contribui em nada'.",{"idx":3271,"utterance_id":3272,"speaker_name":69,"text":3273,"start_s":3274,"end_s":3275,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3276,"target_proposition":3277,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":3278,"indexable":74},486,"212854","How do you now go about ending it?",2609.64,2611.44,"db67d44b-d6f9-4634-8907-879167f4898e","prohibit online betting","Asks 'como faz para acabar com ele?', suggesting support for prohibition.",{"idx":3280,"utterance_id":3281,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3282,"start_s":3283,"end_s":3284,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},487,"212855","That's what I told you, right?",2611.88,2612.64,{"idx":3286,"utterance_id":3287,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3288,"start_s":3289,"end_s":3290,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":2945,"target_proposition":2946,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3291,"indexable":257},488,"212856","After four years of complete neglect by the Bolsonaro government, we opened the box to see what was inside.",2613.12,2622.72,"Says 'abrimos a caixa' and that this created a problem, advocating investigation\u002Fregulation.",{"idx":3293,"utterance_id":3294,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3295,"start_s":3296,"end_s":3297,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},489,"212857","And then it grew even more.",2623.42,2624.28,{"idx":3299,"utterance_id":3300,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3301,"start_s":3302,"end_s":3303,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},490,"212858","And now we have a serious problem.",2624.3,2626.1,{"idx":3305,"utterance_id":3306,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3307,"start_s":3308,"end_s":3309,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":3310,"topic_label":3311,"target_id":3312,"target_proposition":3313,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3314,"indexable":257},491,"212859","Now, it's nothing the Brazilian people can't decide.",2626.42,2629.46,"consulta-publica","Public Consultation","29a728b0-c984-42d0-add0-22cfbf0f5c71","submit controversial policies to popular decision\u002Fconsultation","Says the people can decide on the matter (supports a popular consultation).",{"idx":3316,"utterance_id":3317,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3318,"start_s":3319,"end_s":3320,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},492,"212860","I mean, the National Congress has to represent the will of the population.",2630.12,2633.52,{"idx":3322,"utterance_id":3323,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3324,"start_s":3325,"end_s":3326,"word_count":211,"indexable":74},493,"212861","As much as interests are intertwined, it's an interest that is intertwined at the upper levels of society, in society's coverage.",2634.02,2642.68,{"idx":3328,"utterance_id":3329,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3330,"start_s":3331,"end_s":3332,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},494,"212862","The person on the factory floor is being harmed by an ecosystem whose contribution to the country I don't see.",2643.14,2653.02,{"idx":3334,"utterance_id":3335,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3336,"start_s":3337,"end_s":3338,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":2892,"topic_label":2893,"target_id":3260,"target_proposition":3261,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3339,"indexable":74},495,"212863","I don't see any advantage.",2653.14,2654.1,"States they see no advantage in the sector (assessment against maintaining it).",{"idx":3341,"utterance_id":3342,"speaker_name":69,"text":3343,"start_s":3344,"end_s":3345,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},496,"212864","Pedro Carvalho, I need to ask you a question, sir.",2654.12,2656.22,{"idx":3347,"utterance_id":3348,"speaker_name":69,"text":3349,"start_s":3350,"end_s":3351,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},497,"212865","Good evening, Minister.",2657.7,2658.46,{"idx":3353,"utterance_id":3354,"speaker_name":69,"text":3355,"start_s":3356,"end_s":3357,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},498,"212866","On the economic front, because it's not just families — bettors on betting platforms are also facing high levels of indebtedness.",2660.04,2666.06,{"idx":3359,"utterance_id":3360,"speaker_name":69,"text":3361,"start_s":3362,"end_s":3363,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},499,"212867","The government's own debt has been at the center of debates; it has now reached 82% of GDP.",2666.68,2672.68,{"idx":3365,"utterance_id":3366,"speaker_name":69,"text":3367,"start_s":3368,"end_s":3369,"word_count":259,"indexable":74},500,"212868","Your successor at the Ministry of Finance, Dario Durigan, has made statements suggesting that there is some need to reduce public spending in a possible next term.",2673.92,2684.94,{"idx":3371,"utterance_id":3372,"speaker_name":69,"text":3373,"start_s":3374,"end_s":3375,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},501,"212869","But President Lula, in the interview with Jornal Nacional, said the phrase, 'I am not worried about public debt.'",2686.56,2692.9,{"idx":3377,"utterance_id":3378,"speaker_name":69,"text":3379,"start_s":3380,"end_s":3381,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},502,"212870","Is that your view as well?",2693.88,2695.28,{"idx":3383,"utterance_id":3384,"speaker_name":69,"text":3385,"start_s":3386,"end_s":3387,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},503,"212871","Are you worried about public debt?",2695.34,2697.3,{"idx":3389,"utterance_id":3390,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3391,"start_s":3392,"end_s":3393,"word_count":112,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3394,"target_proposition":3395,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":3396,"indexable":74},504,"212872","Look, compared with many countries, we are at a level that is not... Now, the problem is the dynamics of the debt.",2698.48,2706.34,"e378ce13-ac6f-4354-8ec2-791b9d362604","control public debt and reduce interest rates","Says the problem is the debt dynamics, without presenting an immediate measure.",{"idx":3398,"utterance_id":3399,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3400,"start_s":3401,"end_s":3402,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3394,"target_proposition":3395,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1934,"rationale":3403,"indexable":74},505,"212873","In my opinion, the debt dynamics are worrying.",2706.8,2709.88,"Explains concern about the debt dynamics (technical assessment).",{"idx":3405,"utterance_id":3406,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3407,"start_s":3408,"end_s":3409,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},506,"212874","Why?",2710.7,2710.98,{"idx":3411,"utterance_id":3412,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3413,"start_s":3414,"end_s":3415,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},507,"212875","Because interest rates are around 14% while inflation is already below 4.5%.",2711.26,2717.92,{"idx":3417,"utterance_id":3418,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3419,"start_s":3420,"end_s":3421,"word_count":290,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3394,"target_proposition":3395,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":3422,"indexable":257},508,"212876","When you have a real interest rate of almost 10%, or say 8% above inflation, no primary surplus can keep up with the debt dynamics.",2718.94,2734.1,"Justifies concern about the debt using the real interest rate as evidence.",{"idx":3424,"utterance_id":3425,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3426,"start_s":3427,"end_s":3428,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},509,"212877","The math doesn't add up.",2734.8,2736.16,{"idx":3430,"utterance_id":3431,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3432,"start_s":3433,"end_s":3434,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3394,"target_proposition":3395,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":489,"rationale":3435,"indexable":74},510,"212878","So you effectively need to take measures.",2736.92,2739.42,"Directly states 'você precisa efetivamente tomar providências'.",{"idx":3437,"utterance_id":3438,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3439,"start_s":3440,"end_s":3441,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":3444,"target_proposition":3445,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":3446,"indexable":257},511,"212879","The first measure was taken today, if you want to know, which was the budget submitted by the Lula government for the next government.",2739.62,2746.66,"politica-fiscal-e-social","Fiscal and Social Policy","6a6b0310-4a0d-4794-b63a-2e1edca6655d","send the budget to the National Congress for the next government","Points to sending the budget as the first action taken.",{"idx":3448,"utterance_id":3449,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3450,"start_s":3451,"end_s":3452,"word_count":497,"indexable":74},512,"212880","Compare the budgets — and it's very useful to compare the last year of President Lula's term, who sent today the budget for the next government (which could be his), and the budget Bolsonaro sent to the National Congress on August 31, not knowing whether he would be president or not, for the next government, which could have been his.",2747.28,2769.02,{"idx":3454,"utterance_id":3455,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3456,"start_s":3457,"end_s":3458,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},513,"212881","The budget Bolsonaro sent for 2023 had a deficit of 60 billion reais.",2769.9,2776.6,{"idx":3460,"utterance_id":3461,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3462,"start_s":3463,"end_s":3464,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},514,"212882","Explicitly, not counting the default on precatórios and the Bolsa Família that he increased and did not include in the budget.",2778.04,2785.02,{"idx":3466,"utterance_id":3467,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3468,"start_s":3469,"end_s":3470,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},515,"212883","These are figures that can be verified, the numbers I'm giving, apart from the governors' defaults.",2785.88,2791.44,{"idx":3472,"utterance_id":3473,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3474,"start_s":3475,"end_s":3476,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},516,"212884","I'm talking about three unavoidable expenditures.",2791.46,2796.86,{"idx":3478,"utterance_id":3479,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3480,"start_s":3481,"end_s":3482,"word_count":157,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":3483,"target_proposition":3484,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":3485,"indexable":257},517,"212885","The precatórios, the projected deficit of 60 billion, plus the Bolsa Família of 50 billion.",2797.4,2802.04,"66e5bc54-a05e-410d-af47-4e99a6a003a0","ensure fiscal responsibility and payment of precatórios","Lists unavoidable expenses; it is a budgetary description.",{"idx":3487,"utterance_id":3488,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3489,"start_s":3490,"end_s":3491,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},518,"212886","What did President Lula send for next year?",2803.02,2805.06,{"idx":3493,"utterance_id":3494,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3495,"start_s":3496,"end_s":3497,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},519,"212887","A budget?",2807.42,2808.16,{"idx":3499,"utterance_id":3500,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3501,"start_s":3502,"end_s":3503,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},520,"212888","With a surplus.",2808.9,2809.74,{"idx":3505,"utterance_id":3506,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3507,"start_s":3508,"end_s":3509,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},521,"212889","See?",2811.68,2812.08,{"idx":3511,"utterance_id":3512,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3513,"start_s":3514,"end_s":3515,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},522,"212890","That in itself will already have an important impact on the market.",2812.68,2816.84,{"idx":3517,"utterance_id":3518,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3519,"start_s":3520,"end_s":3521,"word_count":211,"indexable":74},523,"212891","So the market, I think, there is a dispute over the narrative, you know, about whether this government delivered a better result or not.",2817.66,2832.6,{"idx":3523,"utterance_id":3524,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3525,"start_s":3526,"end_s":3527,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},524,"212892","Obviously the opposition will say no.",2833,2835.38,{"idx":3529,"utterance_id":3530,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3531,"start_s":3532,"end_s":3533,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},525,"212893","Compare them — they are two clear budgets: one for 2027, another for 2023.",2836.56,2842.22,{"idx":3535,"utterance_id":3536,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3537,"start_s":3538,"end_s":3539,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},526,"212894","Compare them, ask any specialist.",2842.72,2844.7,{"idx":3541,"utterance_id":3542,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3543,"start_s":3544,"end_s":3545,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},527,"212895","Remember that Bolsonaro had committed expenses up to 2026 that had no funding source, as was the case with Fundeb, for example.",2844.72,2856.42,{"idx":3547,"utterance_id":3548,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3549,"start_s":3550,"end_s":3551,"word_count":232,"indexable":74},528,"212896","So what I want to tell you is this: there is no way to compare the budget that my successor at the Ministry of Finance, whoever it may be, will receive with what I received from the Bolsonaro government.",2856.82,2868.32,{"idx":3553,"utterance_id":3554,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3555,"start_s":3556,"end_s":3557,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},529,"212897","There is no comparison.",2868.38,2869.74,{"idx":3559,"utterance_id":3560,"speaker_name":69,"text":3561,"start_s":3562,"end_s":3563,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},530,"212898","Now, on the issue of interest rates, which you said are to blame for...",2869.8,2873.06,{"idx":3565,"utterance_id":3566,"speaker_name":69,"text":3567,"start_s":3568,"end_s":3569,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},531,"212899","I think the interest rate is at an inadequate level.",2873.16,2875.92,{"idx":3571,"utterance_id":3572,"speaker_name":69,"text":3573,"start_s":3574,"end_s":3575,"word_count":364,"indexable":74},532,"212900","Lula, in the same interview with Jornal Nacional, said that this 14% interest rate is very high and that he had to contend with Bolsonaro's Central Bank president, referring to Roberto Campos Neto, who was the Central Bank president appointed by Bolsonaro.",2875.94,2892.48,{"idx":3577,"utterance_id":3578,"speaker_name":69,"text":3579,"start_s":3580,"end_s":3581,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},533,"212901","He spent 2023 and 2024, in Lula's government, at the head of the Central Bank.",2893.38,2897.62,{"idx":3583,"utterance_id":3584,"speaker_name":69,"text":3585,"start_s":3586,"end_s":3587,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},534,"212902","You yourself, in a recent meeting with industry businessmen, said that the rate is miscalibrated and that you see no reason for it to remain at that level.",2899.2,2907.88,{"idx":703,"utterance_id":3589,"speaker_name":69,"text":3590,"start_s":3591,"end_s":3592,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},"212903","Yes.",2908.48,2908.62,{"idx":3594,"utterance_id":3595,"speaker_name":69,"text":3596,"start_s":3597,"end_s":3598,"word_count":15,"indexable":74},536,"212904","It so happens that the current president of the Central Bank, Dario Durigan, was appointed by President Lula and has already been at the head of the Central Bank for one year and eight months.",2909.06,2918.18,{"idx":3600,"utterance_id":3601,"speaker_name":69,"text":3602,"start_s":3603,"end_s":3604,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},537,"212905","So there is also some issue with the management... Sorry.",2918.88,2921.72,{"idx":3606,"utterance_id":3607,"speaker_name":69,"text":3608,"start_s":3609,"end_s":3610,"word_count":211,"indexable":74},538,"212906","Galípolo, the current president Gabriel Galípolo, was appointed by Lula and has already been at the head of the Central Bank for one year and eight months.",2922.08,2926.98,{"idx":3612,"utterance_id":3613,"speaker_name":69,"text":3614,"start_s":3615,"end_s":3616,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},539,"212907","So, is there a problem then with Galípolo's management?",2927.82,2930.44,{"idx":3618,"utterance_id":3619,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3620,"start_s":3621,"end_s":3622,"word_count":145,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":32,"target_id":3623,"target_proposition":3624,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3625,"indexable":257},540,"212908","Well, look, the Central Bank has autonomy provided for by law.",2930.86,2936.5,"e9c8b131-e13b-4794-9104-c3a855834f89","ensure the Central Bank's independence and technical autonomy","States the existence of autonomy provided by law, without attacking.",{"idx":3627,"utterance_id":3628,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3629,"start_s":3630,"end_s":3631,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},541,"212909","It wasn't like that in the past.",2937,2938.16,{"idx":3633,"utterance_id":3634,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3635,"start_s":3636,"end_s":3637,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},542,"212910","In the past you could replace the president of the Central Bank whenever you saw fit.",2938.78,2943.02,{"idx":3639,"utterance_id":3640,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3641,"start_s":3642,"end_s":3643,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},543,"212911","Fernando Henrique had three presidents of the Central Bank, or four — I think four presidents of the Central 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point.",2955.1,2956.46,{"idx":3669,"utterance_id":3670,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3671,"start_s":3672,"end_s":3673,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},548,"212916","I'm making an assessment of what I think monetary policy should be.",2957.14,2961.3,{"idx":3675,"utterance_id":3676,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3677,"start_s":3678,"end_s":3679,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},549,"212917","I'm not the president of the Central Bank, nor am I a director of the Central Bank.",2961.36,2963.62,{"idx":3681,"utterance_id":3682,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3683,"start_s":3684,"end_s":3685,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},550,"212918","But as an outside observer, any of us has the right to voice an opinion about what we think.",2964.28,2971.02,{"idx":3687,"utterance_id":3688,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3689,"start_s":3690,"end_s":3691,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},551,"212919","If the financial market can voice opinions, why can't I, as a former Minister of Finance, voice mine?",2971.42,2975.7,{"idx":3693,"utterance_id":3694,"speaker_name":69,"text":3695,"start_s":3696,"end_s":3697,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},552,"212920","Folks, I need to take a break.",2975.96,2977.5,{"idx":763,"utterance_id":3699,"speaker_name":69,"text":3700,"start_s":3701,"end_s":3702,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},"212921","Now, we'll return to the subject, no problem, because we'll be back shortly with Fernando Haddad.",2977.54,2982.66,{"idx":3704,"utterance_id":3705,"speaker_name":69,"text":3706,"start_s":3707,"end_s":3708,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},554,"212922","See you shortly.",2982.74,2983.14,{"idx":3710,"utterance_id":3711,"speaker_name":69,"text":3712,"start_s":3713,"end_s":3714,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},555,"212923","Roda Viva back with the PT candidate, the governor of São Paulo, Fernando Haddad, Mônica Bergamo.",3022.22,3028.2,{"idx":3716,"utterance_id":3717,"speaker_name":69,"text":3718,"start_s":3719,"end_s":3720,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},556,"212924","I ran over you at the very end of the previous block, feel free, finish your question.",3028.3,3032.3,{"idx":3722,"utterance_id":3723,"speaker_name":69,"text":3724,"start_s":3725,"end_s":3726,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},557,"212925","I'd like to pick up here and continue on the same subject.",3032.9,3034.9,{"idx":3728,"utterance_id":3729,"speaker_name":69,"text":3730,"start_s":3731,"end_s":3732,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},558,"212926","You gave me an interview for Folha de São Paulo in October 2024 and you had a slightly different line of argument then.",3034.92,3040.8,{"idx":3734,"utterance_id":3735,"speaker_name":69,"text":3736,"start_s":3737,"end_s":3738,"word_count":211,"indexable":74},559,"212927","You were saying the following: you weren't talking about interest rates, you were talking about public 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that this needed to be addressed urgently.",3074.24,3077.38,{"idx":3764,"utterance_id":3765,"speaker_name":69,"text":3766,"start_s":3767,"end_s":3768,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},564,"212932","But this was not addressed.",3077.82,3079.24,{"idx":3770,"utterance_id":3771,"speaker_name":69,"text":3772,"start_s":3773,"end_s":3774,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},565,"212933","So is the Central Bank to blame?",3079.78,3081.3,{"idx":3776,"utterance_id":3777,"speaker_name":69,"text":3778,"start_s":3779,"end_s":3780,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},566,"212934","Or is there a responsibility on the part of the government that did not address those issues you said were urgent?",3081.92,3086.7,{"idx":3782,"utterance_id":3783,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3784,"start_s":3785,"end_s":3786,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":3787,"target_proposition":3788,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":3789,"indexable":74},567,"212935","First of all, they were addressed.",3086.98,3088.24,"d4932696-4c51-40ed-94c6-132aadf5c61d","implement national fiscal adjustment","Responds that the issue was addressed and mentions fiscal adjustment.",{"idx":3791,"utterance_id":3792,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3793,"start_s":3794,"end_s":3795,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":3787,"target_proposition":3788,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":3796,"indexable":257},568,"212936","We sent a fiscal adjustment precisely in 2024.",3088.32,3091.54,"Objectively states 'nós mandamos um ajuste fiscal em 2024'.",{"idx":3798,"utterance_id":3799,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3800,"start_s":3801,"end_s":3802,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},569,"212937","It's hard to talk about very complex things very quickly.",3093.96,3097.66,{"idx":3804,"utterance_id":3805,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3806,"start_s":3807,"end_s":3808,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},570,"212938","But 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We sent a PEC to the National Congress, we sent a complementary law, a provisional measure and a bill.",3105.54,3114.5,"739fd922-1e86-4b20-930c-289d7d371f40","send fiscal adjustment legislative package to the National Congress (PEC, law, MP)","Lists a PEC, complementary law, MP (provisional measure) and bill sent for fiscal adjustment.",{"idx":3843,"utterance_id":3844,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3845,"start_s":3846,"end_s":3847,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},576,"212944","At the end of 2024.",3115.3,3115.94,{"idx":3849,"utterance_id":3850,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3851,"start_s":3852,"end_s":3853,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},577,"212945","Okay?",3117.04,3117.16,{"idx":3855,"utterance_id":3856,"speaker_name":69,"text":3857,"start_s":3858,"end_s":3859,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},578,"212946","You changing the minimum wage, health, education, the 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counterpart, that is, there would be a fiscal shortfall of 100 billion reais.",3143.72,3164.46,{"idx":3900,"utterance_id":3901,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3902,"start_s":3903,"end_s":3904,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},585,"212953","That thing was a powder keg.",3165.5,3168.24,{"idx":3906,"utterance_id":3907,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3908,"start_s":3909,"end_s":3910,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},586,"212954","The dollar even reached 6.20 because of that.",3168.94,3172.56,{"idx":3912,"utterance_id":3913,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3914,"start_s":3915,"end_s":3916,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},587,"212955","It took weeks for us to explain that the income tax bill was neutral.",3174.68,3179.62,{"idx":3918,"utterance_id":3919,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3920,"start_s":3921,"end_s":3922,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},588,"212956","It was 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Paulo.",3269.14,3270.5,{"idx":4012,"utterance_id":4013,"speaker_name":69,"text":4014,"start_s":4015,"end_s":4016,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},604,"212972","Does this have to do with the State of São Paulo?",3270.52,3274.24,{"idx":4018,"utterance_id":4019,"speaker_name":69,"text":4020,"start_s":4021,"end_s":4022,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},605,"212973","He said that São Paulo's fiscal situation is a disaster.",3274.26,3277.06,{"idx":4024,"utterance_id":4025,"speaker_name":69,"text":4026,"start_s":4027,"end_s":4028,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},606,"212974","So how will he govern São Paulo if elected? I questioned the government's management.",3277.16,3284.82,{"idx":4030,"utterance_id":4031,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4032,"start_s":4033,"end_s":4034,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},607,"212975","I'm making that provocation.",3285,3286.32,{"idx":4036,"utterance_id":4037,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4038,"start_s":4039,"end_s":4040,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},608,"212976","Compare the budget of the last year of the Lula government, which went to the National Congress today, with the budget of the last year of the Bolsonaro government, which was fake.",3286.8,3296.24,{"idx":4042,"utterance_id":4043,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4044,"start_s":4045,"end_s":4046,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},609,"212977","Because it had no Bolsa Família nor Precatório.",3296.56,3298.66,{"idx":4048,"utterance_id":4049,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4050,"start_s":4051,"end_s":4052,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},610,"212978","And even 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He couldn't even open competitions now before the election, but they're rushing.",3415.12,3420.3,{"idx":4175,"utterance_id":4176,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4177,"start_s":4178,"end_s":4179,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4180,"target_proposition":4181,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":4182,"indexable":257},631,"212999","Thank goodness there's democracy, because the guy feels pressured by the facts and by the drop.",3420.7,3425.8,"c2e1d590-1060-454b-87f2-5b26266c01b0","improve the quality of basic and secondary education to increase learning in math and languages","Calls the drop in IDEB 'absurdo' and calls for a change of policies.",{"idx":4184,"utterance_id":4185,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4186,"start_s":4187,"end_s":4188,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4189,"target_proposition":4190,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":4191,"indexable":257},632,"213000","There was a platformization of teaching that is completely counterproductive, against the teacher.",3426.38,3432.86,"4388a9f0-f158-498f-870f-3daf096a56f5","value teaching activity and avoid its mechanization","Criticizes 'plataformização' and defends valuing teachers.",{"idx":4193,"utterance_id":4194,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4195,"start_s":4196,"end_s":4197,"word_count":9,"indexable":74},633,"213001","In other words, you set the textbook aside, you set structured programs aside, you stuffed the school with bureaucratic tasks, with filling out spreadsheets,",3434.02,3447.14,{"idx":4199,"utterance_id":4200,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4201,"start_s":4202,"end_s":4203,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},634,"213002","totally without consequence for the teaching-learning relationship.",3448.86,3454.22,{"idx":4205,"utterance_id":4206,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4207,"start_s":4208,"end_s":4209,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},635,"213003","You have 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be continued by the current government.",3509.52,3512.98,{"idx":4289,"utterance_id":4290,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4291,"start_s":4292,"end_s":4293,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},648,"213016","You can count on it not reversing the situation.",3514.28,3516.58,{"idx":4295,"utterance_id":4296,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4297,"start_s":4298,"end_s":4299,"word_count":313,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4300,"target_proposition":4301,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4302,"indexable":257},649,"213017","Either we go back to holding public competitions, valuing teaching degrees, starting with the trainee teacher who can be incorporated into the school with initiation and teaching scholarships, as I did at MEC when I was minister.",3517.24,3532.44,"b5237c8a-ca34-4fe3-aebf-6f13d49a6016","hold public hiring exams and value teacher training","Proposes resuming public hiring exams and explicitly valuing teaching degrees.",{"idx":4304,"utterance_id":4305,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4306,"start_s":4307,"end_s":4308,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4309,"target_proposition":4310,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4311,"indexable":74},650,"213018","Recover the quality of the teaching materials.",3533.2,3535.5,"dfd72fde-097a-42ef-b4cc-06bebf7ad759","restore the quality of teaching materials","Proposes directly restoring the quality of teaching materials.",{"idx":4313,"utterance_id":4314,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4315,"start_s":4316,"end_s":4317,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4318,"target_proposition":4319,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4320,"indexable":74},651,"213019","Continuous teacher training.",3535.88,3537.74,"ffd2d22a-ac2b-4405-83bd-d526c6f8fb73","implement continuing training for teachers on inclusive education","Explicitly defends continuous professional development for teachers.",{"idx":4322,"utterance_id":4323,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4324,"start_s":4325,"end_s":4326,"word_count":94,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4327,"target_proposition":4328,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4329,"indexable":74},652,"213020","Full-time schooling.",3538.74,3540.04,"14993b68-b57a-46f5-a187-fd4e9a9d279e","strengthen technical education and expand full-time schools","Proposes full-time schooling as an educational policy measure.",{"idx":4331,"utterance_id":4332,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4333,"start_s":4334,"end_s":4335,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4336,"target_proposition":4337,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":4338,"indexable":74},653,"213021","We are at the tail end, we are at the national average.",3540.58,3544.06,"ce08ef8a-5630-40a9-adc5-5e2f7ac976bd","reverse the decline in the quality of state public education","Reports the state's inferior performance without proposing concrete action in that same passage.",{"idx":4340,"utterance_id":4341,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4342,"start_s":4343,"end_s":4344,"word_count":163,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4327,"target_proposition":4328,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":4345,"indexable":74},654,"213022","Full-time schooling, compared with other states, we are being completely outperformed.",3544.46,3549.26,"Compares full-time participation with other states without proposing a measure in that passage.",{"idx":4347,"utterance_id":4348,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4349,"start_s":4350,"end_s":4351,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4327,"target_proposition":4328,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":4352,"indexable":257},655,"213023","Piauí reaches as much as 81% full-time high school.",3550.24,3553.76,"Cites a Piauí statistic on full-time high school in a descriptive manner.",{"idx":4354,"utterance_id":4355,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4356,"start_s":4357,"end_s":4358,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4359,"target_proposition":4360,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":4361,"indexable":74},656,"213024","Vocational education is just for show.",3554.38,3556.28,"7b1536aa-e5a0-4ec3-aeea-68635bc7f4a1","strengthen vocational education and integrate a preparatory curriculum","Criticizes the current format and complains that vocational education does not improve learning.",{"idx":4363,"utterance_id":4364,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4365,"start_s":4366,"end_s":4367,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4359,"target_proposition":4360,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4368,"indexable":257},657,"213025","Vocational education must strengthen the propedeutic curriculum.",3557.1,3560.72,"States that vocational education must strengthen the propedêutico curriculum.",{"idx":4370,"utterance_id":4371,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4372,"start_s":4373,"end_s":4374,"word_count":100,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4359,"target_proposition":4360,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":4375,"indexable":74},658,"213026","It interacts with the propedeutic.",3561.42,3563,"Describes interaction between curricular components without presenting a new argument.",{"idx":4377,"utterance_id":4378,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4379,"start_s":4380,"end_s":4381,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4359,"target_proposition":4360,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":532,"rationale":4382,"indexable":74},659,"213027","Here it is having no impact whatsoever on learning.",3563.44,3565.84,"States, descriptively, a lack of impact on learning.",{"idx":4384,"utterance_id":4385,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4386,"start_s":4387,"end_s":4388,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4359,"target_proposition":4360,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":4389,"indexable":257},660,"213028","So vocational education is just for show, it does not improve education.",3566.76,3570.32,"Concludes that current vocational education 'faz de conta' and requires strengthening.",{"idx":4391,"utterance_id":4392,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4393,"start_s":4394,"end_s":4395,"word_count":92,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4359,"target_proposition":4360,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":4396,"indexable":74},661,"213029","You pretend you're teaching and the student doesn't pretend to be learning, because in fact they are not.",3571.26,3575.76,"Offers a critique of learning presented as a diagnosis.",{"idx":4398,"utterance_id":4399,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4400,"start_s":4401,"end_s":4402,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4403,"target_proposition":4404,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4405,"indexable":257},662,"213030","So, it's a reconfiguration, it's a reform we will have to undertake in São Paulo.",3576.36,3581.2,"08c891e2-77ca-414d-9ba4-690043209f7d","reform the state education system with a focus on the student","Announces the need to reconfigure and reform the state's education system.",{"idx":4407,"utterance_id":4408,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4409,"start_s":4410,"end_s":4411,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4403,"target_proposition":4404,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4412,"indexable":257},663,"213031","A real reform of the state education system.",3581.58,3585.28,"Repeats the proposal for a 'reforma para valer' of the state system.",{"idx":4414,"utterance_id":4415,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4416,"start_s":4417,"end_s":4418,"word_count":137,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4419,"target_proposition":4420,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":532,"rationale":4421,"indexable":74},664,"213032","Now, the teachers are eager for a solution, for a turnaround.",3586.14,3591.68,"45d864f3-f8b4-4979-ab5d-73aa2d203101","implement policies to value teachers and improve working conditions","Says that teachers seek solutions and recognition, without detailing measures there.",{"idx":4423,"utterance_id":4424,"speaker_name":69,"text":4425,"start_s":4426,"end_s":4427,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},665,"213033","Minister.",3591.98,3592.52,{"idx":4429,"utterance_id":4430,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4431,"start_s":4432,"end_s":4433,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4434,"target_proposition":4435,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":4436,"indexable":257},666,"213034","I think putting São Paulo, I mean, at least among the top five — it's not acceptable for São Paulo not to be at least among the five best education systems in the country.",3593.8,3603.92,"8f022c65-d134-4c98-b1a2-a1fa3a02655e","improve basic education indicators in the State of São Paulo (IDEB)","Sets an explicit goal to place São Paulo back among the top five systems.",{"idx":4438,"utterance_id":4439,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4440,"start_s":4441,"end_s":4442,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},667,"213035","That's not 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teacher.",3617.44,3623.08,{"idx":4467,"utterance_id":4468,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4469,"start_s":4470,"end_s":4471,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4403,"target_proposition":4404,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":295,"rationale":4472,"indexable":74},672,"213040","You carry out the reform with the teacher.",3623.24,3625.7,"States that reform must be done 'com o professor', proposing an inclusive method.",{"idx":4474,"utterance_id":4475,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4476,"start_s":4477,"end_s":4478,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},673,"213041","Because he'd even put the army inside the classroom to make that work.",3626.1,3629.78,{"idx":4480,"utterance_id":4481,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4482,"start_s":4483,"end_s":4484,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},674,"213042","And the disappointment is very great.",3630.86,3633.06,{"idx":4486,"utterance_id":4487,"speaker_name":69,"text":4488,"start_s":4489,"end_s":4490,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},675,"213043","Please, Clarissa has a question.",3633.54,3634.82,{"idx":4492,"utterance_id":4493,"speaker_name":69,"text":4494,"start_s":4495,"end_s":4496,"word_count":92,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":4497,"target_proposition":4498,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":4499,"indexable":257},676,"213044","Minister, we've seen the issue of corruption appear very strongly in this election once again.",3634.84,3642.08,"69173589-3c47-41dc-a234-53da52e356ea","combat corruption and impunity","Points out that corruption reappears as an electoral theme, without advocating a specific action.",{"idx":4501,"utterance_id":4502,"speaker_name":69,"text":4503,"start_s":4504,"end_s":4505,"word_count":356,"indexable":74},677,"213045","And recently in the interview you gave to CNN, I asked you a question and afterwards, watching it, one thing caught my attention that I'd like to talk to you about regarding the figure of the lobbyist Roberta Luxinger.",3642.46,3656,{"idx":4507,"utterance_id":4508,"speaker_name":69,"text":4509,"start_s":4510,"end_s":4511,"word_count":298,"indexable":74},678,"213046","I asked if you knew her and you answered as follows, saying that you might not even recognize her, that you've never been with her in the same environment, you've never witnessed a meeting with her, you've never been summoned.",3656.54,3668.86,{"idx":4513,"utterance_id":4514,"speaker_name":69,"text":4515,"start_s":4516,"end_s":4517,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},679,"213047","You even said you might have been summoned, but that you weren't.",3669.1,3672.16,{"idx":4519,"utterance_id":4520,"speaker_name":69,"text":4521,"start_s":4522,"end_s":4523,"word_count":169,"indexable":74},680,"213048","What strikes me, first, is who could have summoned you to a meeting with her?",3673.22,3678.06,{"idx":4525,"utterance_id":4526,"speaker_name":69,"text":4527,"start_s":4528,"end_s":4529,"word_count":313,"indexable":74},681,"213049","And secondly, whether anyone ever asked you to receive her, asked that you have a meeting with her, even if you declined, as you have, for example, said several times regarding Daniel Vorcaro.",3678.68,3690.34,{"idx":4531,"utterance_id":4532,"speaker_name":69,"text":4533,"start_s":4534,"end_s":4535,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":30,"topic_label":26,"target_id":4536,"target_proposition":4537,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":4538,"indexable":74},682,"213050","To understand to what extent this permeated your conduct?",3690.48,3694.9,"d95a1a58-252b-4cd9-a720-5ff98a8252a3","clarify relations with lobbyists and requests for meetings","Asks about a possible intermediary role of lobbyists, without supporting any concrete measure.",{"idx":4540,"utterance_id":4541,"speaker_name":69,"text":4542,"start_s":4543,"end_s":4544,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},683,"213051","Zero.",3695.1,3695.42,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":4546,"speaker_name":69,"text":4542,"start_s":4547,"end_s":4548,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},"213052",3696.42,3696.68,{"idx":4550,"utterance_id":4551,"speaker_name":69,"text":4552,"start_s":4553,"end_s":4554,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},685,"213053","But who could have summoned you to that meeting?",3697.44,3699.94,{"idx":4556,"utterance_id":4557,"speaker_name":69,"text":4558,"start_s":4559,"end_s":4560,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},686,"213054","You said it.",3699.96,3701,{"idx":4562,"utterance_id":4563,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4564,"start_s":4565,"end_s":4566,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":4567,"target_proposition":4568,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":4569,"indexable":257},687,"213055","No, if there were a meeting that the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Education needed to attend.",3701.02,3705.64,"112b47c0-41df-4f4d-b32f-d6ac4b235816","participate in interministerial meetings involving public funds","Explains the ministerial protocol on invitations to meetings involving resources.",{"idx":4571,"utterance_id":4572,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4573,"start_s":4574,"end_s":4575,"word_count":157,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":4567,"target_proposition":4568,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":4576,"indexable":257},688,"213056","The Ministry of Finance is invited to take part in all meetings on the Esplanade.",3705.9,3710.08,"Says Fazenda is invited to meetings that involve resources, explaining the routine.",{"idx":4578,"utterance_id":4579,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4580,"start_s":4581,"end_s":4582,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},689,"213057","Anything that involves 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I might even have a photo with Flávio Bolsonaro.",3749.9,3753.02,{"idx":4653,"utterance_id":4654,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4655,"start_s":4656,"end_s":4657,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},701,"213069","No one is going to accuse me of anything because of that.",3753.2,3754.96,{"idx":4659,"utterance_id":4660,"speaker_name":69,"text":4661,"start_s":4662,"end_s":4663,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},702,"213070","Candidate, in the last debate... A quick answer, because we have to go to the next break, but let's go.",3755.48,3760.56,{"idx":4665,"utterance_id":4666,"speaker_name":69,"text":4667,"start_s":4668,"end_s":4669,"word_count":49,"indexable":74},703,"213071","Well, in the last debate, in your only debate with Governor Tarcísio, there was a big discussion about federal investments in São Paulo.",3760.74,3768.22,{"idx":4671,"utterance_id":4672,"speaker_name":69,"text":4673,"start_s":4674,"end_s":4675,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},704,"213072","You noting that that volume increased a lot, which is true, but him pointing out that sometimes that funding took too long.",3768.8,3776.84,{"idx":4677,"utterance_id":4678,"speaker_name":69,"text":4679,"start_s":4680,"end_s":4681,"word_count":283,"indexable":74},705,"213073","Estadão did a survey, which we published, showing that the release — the Ministry's approval for loans made by the government of São Paulo — took almost three times longer compared with other states.",3776.86,3788.8,{"idx":4683,"utterance_id":4684,"speaker_name":69,"text":4685,"start_s":4686,"end_s":4687,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},706,"213074","I'd like you to explain why.",3788.82,3790.4,{"idx":4689,"utterance_id":4690,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4691,"start_s":4692,"end_s":4693,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":4694,"target_proposition":4695,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":4696,"indexable":257},707,"213075","First, saying 'three times' might give the impression that one took one year and the other three years.",3790.96,3795.92,"6b7915c9-4798-4806-9669-64024e79b124","clarify criteria and deadlines for state loan guarantees","Challenges the interpretation of the statistic, explaining deadlines in days for guarantees.",{"idx":4698,"utterance_id":4699,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4700,"start_s":4701,"end_s":4702,"word_count":4,"indexable":74},708,"213076","No, we're talking about 30 days and 60 days.",3796.52,3801.9,{"idx":4704,"utterance_id":4705,"speaker_name":69,"text":4706,"start_s":4702,"end_s":4707,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},709,"213077","28.3 days for the others and 78.2 days.",3804.6,{"idx":4709,"utterance_id":4710,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4711,"start_s":4712,"end_s":4713,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},710,"213078","So, we're talking days.",3804.62,3806.2,{"idx":4715,"utterance_id":4716,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4717,"start_s":4713,"end_s":4718,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},711,"213079","28 days versus 70 days.",3808.74,{"idx":4720,"utterance_id":4721,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4722,"start_s":4723,"end_s":4724,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":4725,"target_proposition":4726,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":4727,"indexable":257},712,"213080","We put four times more money here than Bolsonaro puts into the Doria government, with a 40-day difference between the averages.",3810.78,3818.22,"1a7e1275-47ab-4728-a3d0-de0b8d51dfd8","increase and enable federal investments in state public works","Claims to have released more funds and guarantees for works in São Paulo.",{"idx":4729,"utterance_id":4730,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":3407,"start_s":4731,"end_s":4732,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},713,"213081",3818.98,3819.3,{"idx":4734,"utterance_id":4735,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4736,"start_s":4737,"end_s":4738,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},714,"213082","Because of the volume.",3819.6,3820.32,{"idx":4740,"utterance_id":4741,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4742,"start_s":4743,"end_s":4744,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},715,"213083","The volume of resources we put here is not normal.",3821.84,3824.64,{"idx":4746,"utterance_id":4747,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4748,"start_s":4749,"end_s":4750,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":4725,"target_proposition":4726,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":4751,"indexable":257},716,"213084","We enabled all the State government's projects.",3825.62,3828.16,"Says he enabled all the State government's works, claiming credit for the action.",{"idx":4753,"utterance_id":4754,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4755,"start_s":4756,"end_s":4757,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},717,"213085","Meanwhile I... I'm going to give Amapá an approval.",3828.52,3832.88,{"idx":4759,"utterance_id":4760,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4761,"start_s":4762,"end_s":4763,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},718,"213086","It's a project of 200 million reais.",3833.56,3835.5,{"idx":4765,"utterance_id":4766,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4767,"start_s":4768,"end_s":4769,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},719,"213087","Here it's 2 billion, 3 billion, 5 billion.",3835.62,3837.42,{"idx":4771,"utterance_id":4772,"speaker_name":69,"text":4773,"start_s":4774,"end_s":4775,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},720,"213088","But we had, for example, one from Piauí — 2 billion, the approval in two days, for example.",3838.04,3843.9,{"idx":4777,"utterance_id":4778,"speaker_name":69,"text":4779,"start_s":4780,"end_s":4781,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},721,"213089","Or one in Bahia that took nine days.",3843.92,3844.92,{"idx":4783,"utterance_id":4784,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4785,"start_s":4786,"end_s":4787,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},722,"213090","Yes, but then you have the capacity.",3844.94,3846.06,{"idx":4789,"utterance_id":4790,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4791,"start_s":4792,"end_s":4793,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},723,"213091","There are many states that aren't in debt.",3847.18,3849.16,{"idx":4795,"utterance_id":4796,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4797,"start_s":4798,"end_s":4799,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},724,"213092","There are many states that don't owe anything.",3849.84,3851.68,{"idx":4801,"utterance_id":4802,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4803,"start_s":4804,"end_s":4805,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},725,"213093","You hardly have any analysis to do.",3851.7,3853.84,{"idx":4807,"utterance_id":4808,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4809,"start_s":4810,"end_s":4811,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},726,"213094","São Paulo is heavily indebted.",3854.6,3856.44,{"idx":4813,"utterance_id":4814,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4815,"start_s":4816,"end_s":4817,"word_count":239,"topic_slug":4818,"topic_label":4819,"target_id":4820,"target_proposition":4821,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":4822,"indexable":257},727,"213095","And it only owes less now, it has a smaller debt service, because we put here in São Paulo... We reduced the debt service by 12 billion per year.",3856.92,3866.08,"divida-publica-estadual","State public debt","d643ebb9-56d5-41fc-a27a-128e01e68675","adhere to Propag to restructure the state debt","Claims to have reduced São Paulo's debt service by 12 billion per year.",{"idx":4824,"utterance_id":4825,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4826,"start_s":4827,"end_s":4828,"word_count":92,"indexable":74},728,"213096","Do you know how the decrease in São Paulo's debt service over 10 years will be, so to speak?",3866.94,3874.34,{"idx":4830,"utterance_id":4831,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4832,"start_s":4833,"end_s":4834,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},729,"213097","It will be 128 billion reais.",3874.78,3877.48,{"idx":4836,"utterance_id":4837,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4838,"start_s":4839,"end_s":4840,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":4818,"topic_label":4819,"target_id":4820,"target_proposition":4821,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":4841,"indexable":257},730,"213098","São Paulo will pay less interest to the Union because of the debt renegotiation.",3877.9,3881.9,"Explains that a renegotiation will reduce interest paid by the Union to the State.",{"idx":4843,"utterance_id":4844,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4845,"start_s":4846,"end_s":4847,"word_count":112,"topic_slug":3442,"topic_label":3443,"target_id":4848,"target_proposition":4849,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":324,"rationale":4850,"indexable":257},731,"213099","So we did everything to create fiscal space for Tarcídio, who doesn't have the decency to thank or to acknowledge it.",3882.6,3890.6,"87f27a3e-0072-444a-a3df-7b2be1f5447f","renegotiate states' debt with the Union via Propag (complementary law)","says that actions opened fiscal space for the state government, criticizing the lack of recognition.",{"idx":4852,"utterance_id":4853,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4854,"start_s":4855,"end_s":4856,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},732,"213100","I don't know why... I think he's ashamed, because he's pro-Bolsonaro and all that.",3891.9,3898.18,{"idx":4858,"utterance_id":4859,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4860,"start_s":4861,"end_s":4862,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},733,"213101","Look, it's normal.",3898.48,3899.32,{"idx":4864,"utterance_id":4865,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4866,"start_s":4867,"end_s":4868,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},734,"213102","Say, 'okay, let's do it together.'",3899.52,3901.08,{"idx":4870,"utterance_id":4871,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4872,"start_s":4873,"end_s":4874,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},735,"213103","What's the problem?",3901.14,3901.88,{"idx":4876,"utterance_id":4877,"speaker_name":69,"text":4878,"start_s":4879,"end_s":4880,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},736,"213104","Is he hiding behind Bolsonaro?",3902.06,3904.18,{"idx":4882,"utterance_id":4883,"speaker_name":69,"text":4884,"start_s":4885,"end_s":4886,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},737,"213105","Sorry, folks, but I need to take another break.",3904.2,3907.2,{"idx":4888,"utterance_id":4889,"speaker_name":69,"text":4890,"start_s":4891,"end_s":4892,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},738,"213106","We'll continue next with Fernando Haddad.",3907.9,3910.66,{"idx":4894,"utterance_id":4895,"speaker_name":69,"text":1875,"start_s":4896,"end_s":4897,"word_count":82,"indexable":74},739,"213107",3911.12,3911.34,{"idx":4899,"utterance_id":4900,"speaker_name":69,"text":4901,"start_s":4902,"end_s":4903,"word_count":112,"indexable":74},740,"213108","We're back with our final block, a PT candidate for the State government of São Paulo, Fernando Haddad.",3946.86,3951.66,{"idx":4905,"utterance_id":4906,"speaker_name":69,"text":4907,"start_s":4908,"end_s":4909,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},741,"213109","Let's go, quick questions, straight to the point here.",3951.74,3954.4,{"idx":4911,"utterance_id":4912,"speaker_name":69,"text":4913,"start_s":4914,"end_s":4915,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},742,"213110","Guilherme de Abreu, from São Paulo.",3954.46,3955.96,{"idx":4917,"utterance_id":4918,"speaker_name":69,"text":4919,"start_s":4920,"end_s":4921,"word_count":259,"indexable":74},743,"213111","Extreme weather events in São Paulo put at risk the water supply, the agricultural harvest, and the lives of thousands of people, both in urban areas and on the coast.",3957.4,3967.02,{"idx":4923,"utterance_id":4924,"speaker_name":69,"text":4925,"start_s":4926,"end_s":4927,"word_count":43,"indexable":74},744,"213112","Besides disaster response actions, what is your concrete plan for adaptation and resilience of São Paulo's urban infrastructure and agribusiness in the face of these emergencies?",3967.4,3976.42,{"idx":4929,"utterance_id":4930,"speaker_name":69,"text":4931,"start_s":4932,"end_s":4933,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},745,"213113","An important question.",3976.44,3977.5,{"idx":4935,"utterance_id":4936,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4937,"start_s":4938,"end_s":4939,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},746,"213114","Good, good question.",3977.56,3978.9,{"idx":4941,"utterance_id":4942,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4943,"start_s":4944,"end_s":4945,"word_count":92,"topic_slug":4946,"topic_label":4947,"target_id":4948,"target_proposition":4949,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4950,"indexable":257},747,"213115","And look, there's no silver bullet, you don't have to do a lot, but rather water storage.",3979.2,3984.46,"meio-ambiente-infraestrutura","Environment \u002F Infrastructure","91c56360-0167-4869-82f8-2b777a41a150","invest in water reservation and storage","explicitly advocates heavy investment in water storage.",{"idx":4952,"utterance_id":4953,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4954,"start_s":4955,"end_s":4956,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":4946,"topic_label":4947,"target_id":4948,"target_proposition":4949,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4957,"indexable":257},748,"213116","We are going to have to continue investing heavily in water storage, because although the deniers say there are no extreme events or climate change, it is happening.",3985.14,3993.76,"repeats the commitment to keep investing heavily in water storage.",{"idx":4959,"utterance_id":4960,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4961,"start_s":4962,"end_s":4963,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},749,"213117","Heat waves, a series of problems.",3994.18,3996.12,{"idx":4965,"utterance_id":4966,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4967,"start_s":4968,"end_s":4969,"word_count":60,"topic_slug":4946,"topic_label":4947,"target_id":4970,"target_proposition":4971,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":4972,"indexable":257},750,"213118","So we're going to have to invest and make a water security plan for São Paulo, for human consumption and also for irrigation.",3996.8,4003.74,"71d13599-0c72-4cea-aa23-be188e42121e","develop and implement a water security plan for São Paulo","proposes a water security plan for human consumption and irrigation.",{"idx":4974,"utterance_id":4975,"speaker_name":69,"text":4976,"start_s":4977,"end_s":4978,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":4979,"topic_label":4980,"target_id":4981,"target_proposition":4982,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":532,"rationale":4983,"indexable":74},751,"213119","What do you do with Sabesp privatized?",4004,4005.9,"saneamento-privatizacao","Sanitation \u002F Privatization","390111b0-9b9b-4fe1-8620-c3cb50e7f8fa","define policy for Sabesp after a possible privatization","asks how to deal with a privatized Sabesp, without advocating his own measure.",{"idx":4985,"utterance_id":4986,"speaker_name":69,"text":4987,"start_s":4988,"end_s":4989,"word_count":76,"indexable":74},752,"213120","Renationalize?",4006.24,4007.1,{"idx":4991,"utterance_id":4992,"speaker_name":69,"text":4993,"start_s":4994,"end_s":4995,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},753,"213121","We're in that area, right?",4008.04,4009.36,{"idx":4997,"utterance_id":4998,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":4999,"start_s":5000,"end_s":5001,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":5002,"topic_label":5003,"target_id":5004,"target_proposition":5005,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":5006,"indexable":257},754,"213122","I've always been against the privatization of Sabesp.",4010,4013.82,"saneamento","Sanitation","7c32bd92-03d1-4b5f-8965-1315e2404c12","privatize Sabesp","explicitly declares being against the privatization of Sabesp.",{"idx":5008,"utterance_id":5009,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5010,"start_s":5011,"end_s":5012,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":5002,"topic_label":5003,"target_id":5004,"target_proposition":5005,"stance":331,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":5013,"indexable":257},755,"213123","Because Terci promised to lower the water bill that went up, to improve the service that declined, and the company's profit only keeps growing.",4014.34,4022.22,"points to unfulfilled promises as a direct criticism of privatization.",{"idx":50,"utterance_id":5015,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5016,"start_s":5017,"end_s":5018,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":5002,"topic_label":5003,"target_id":5019,"target_proposition":5020,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5021,"indexable":257},"213124","The fourth death now at a Sabesp construction site this week.",4022.74,4025.46,"7953b753-b591-415e-9764-77fea9bfb0c0","ensure safety and accountability in sanitation projects","reports a death on a Sabesp worksite, emphasizing the risk without an immediate proposal there.",{"idx":5023,"utterance_id":5024,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5025,"start_s":5026,"end_s":5027,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},757,"213125","And it seems he doesn't care.",4026.44,4028.04,{"idx":5029,"utterance_id":5030,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5031,"start_s":5032,"end_s":5033,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},758,"213126","He doesn't care about people.",4029.46,4030.64,{"idx":5035,"utterance_id":5036,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5037,"start_s":5038,"end_s":5039,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},759,"213127","But it's 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done.",4037.82,4042.94,{"idx":5056,"utterance_id":5057,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5058,"start_s":5059,"end_s":5060,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},762,"213130","So, that's the first thing.",4043.3,4044.62,{"idx":5062,"utterance_id":5063,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5064,"start_s":5065,"end_s":5066,"word_count":438,"topic_slug":5067,"topic_label":5068,"target_id":5069,"target_proposition":5070,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":255,"rationale":5071,"indexable":257},763,"213131","Second, the following: we need to have a better prepared civil defense, both for fires and for extreme events, like what happened in Ribeirão, like what happened... There are several things happening, we'll have a better civil defense for extreme events and predictability, invest more in research to try to map how this will happen.",4045.08,4064.92,"gestao-de-riscos-protecao-civil","Risk Management \u002F Civil Protection","3fd16acc-1ba8-44aa-90b6-1fee1b2a4195","strengthen civil defense and invest in research on extreme events","proposes a more prepared civil defense and more research for predictability.",{"idx":5073,"utterance_id":5074,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5075,"start_s":5076,"end_s":5077,"word_count":163,"topic_slug":5078,"topic_label":5079,"target_id":5080,"target_proposition":5081,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5082,"indexable":257},764,"213132","There's something that Minister Fávaro advocates that I want to bring to São Paulo.",4065.34,4069.54,"politica-agricola","Agricultural Policy","0f26efa9-3290-4c20-82c6-cd821b86ed56","implement rural insurance to guarantee coverage for crop losses","says he wants to bring a proposal to universalize parametric rural insurance.",{"idx":5084,"utterance_id":5085,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5086,"start_s":5087,"end_s":5088,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":5078,"topic_label":5079,"target_id":5080,"target_proposition":5081,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":1511,"rationale":5089,"indexable":74},765,"213133","He wants to universalize rural insurance.",4070.18,4072.62,"states that the goal is to universalize rural insurance, defending the idea.",{"idx":5091,"utterance_id":5092,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5093,"start_s":5094,"end_s":5095,"word_count":145,"topic_slug":5078,"topic_label":5079,"target_id":5080,"target_proposition":5081,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":5096,"indexable":257},766,"213134","But a real kind of insurance, the so-called parametric insurance.",4073.62,4078.24,"explains and supports the use of parametric insurance as an appropriate 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40%.",4104.02,4112.34,{"idx":5145,"utterance_id":5146,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5147,"start_s":5148,"end_s":5149,"word_count":60,"indexable":74},775,"213143","The State has a small subsidy; it even has a cap, which is low—I think it's a cap of 30 thousand reais.",4113.22,4119.26,{"idx":5151,"utterance_id":5152,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5153,"start_s":5154,"end_s":5155,"word_count":121,"topic_slug":5078,"topic_label":5079,"target_id":5080,"target_proposition":5081,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":383,"rationale":5156,"indexable":257},776,"213144","But we will have to innovate in insurance.",4120.14,4122.26,"states the need to innovate in insurance to give agribusiness more security.",{"idx":5158,"utterance_id":5159,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5160,"start_s":5161,"end_s":5162,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":5078,"topic_label":5079,"target_id":5163,"target_proposition":5164,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5165,"indexable":257},777,"213145","We will have to sit down with the insurers, with the federal government's insurance superintendent, which is SUSEP, which is linked to the Ministry of Finance.",4122.86,4130,"d67182b2-ae3c-4b5c-a8c9-ebecd9dbacd2","coordinate with SUSEP and insurers to create a new rural insurance","proposes sitting down with insurers and SUSEP to design a new rural insurance.",{"idx":5167,"utterance_id":5168,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5169,"start_s":5170,"end_s":5171,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},778,"213146","and with São Paulo agribusiness, and we will come up with a well-thought-out plan to give agribusiness more security regarding climate change.",4130.58,4137.84,{"idx":5173,"utterance_id":5174,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5175,"start_s":5176,"end_s":5177,"word_count":114,"indexable":74},779,"213147","We are working on new types of insurance.",4138.14,4140.32,{"idx":5179,"utterance_id":5180,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5181,"start_s":5182,"end_s":5183,"word_count":137,"topic_slug":5078,"topic_label":5079,"target_id":5184,"target_proposition":5185,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5186,"indexable":257},780,"213148","And I am eager to lead this discussion here in São Paulo.",4140.84,4143.58,"3ec1ba29-a31c-467d-a963-9e656e424be0","implement parametric rural insurance and lead the debate in São Paulo","says he is willing to lead the discussion on rural insurance in SP.",{"idx":5188,"utterance_id":5189,"speaker_name":69,"text":5190,"start_s":5191,"end_s":5192,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},781,"213149","Pedro, please.",4144.2,4144.74,{"idx":5194,"utterance_id":5195,"speaker_name":69,"text":5196,"start_s":5197,"end_s":5198,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":5199,"topic_label":5200,"target_id":5201,"target_proposition":5202,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":5203,"indexable":74},782,"213150","Minister, today the Legislative Assembly is a fairly conservative space.",4144.76,4149.78,"politica-estadual","State policy","586925e3-8429-4067-9297-264f245e0170","negotiate with the Legislative Assembly to approve the government's agenda","points to a conservative composition and the need to deal with the ALESP.",{"idx":5205,"utterance_id":5206,"speaker_name":69,"text":5207,"start_s":5208,"end_s":5209,"word_count":143,"indexable":74},783,"213151","The 94 deputies, if we add up the left-wing parties and the coalitions, will total approximately 29 seats.",4150.32,4157.5,{"idx":5211,"utterance_id":5212,"speaker_name":69,"text":5213,"start_s":5214,"end_s":5215,"word_count":169,"topic_slug":5199,"topic_label":5200,"target_id":5201,"target_proposition":5202,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":332,"rationale":5216,"indexable":74},784,"213152","If elected governor, how will you deal with Lespe, given such a likely unfavorable scenario?",4158.24,4162.64,"asks how the candidate will deal with an unfavorable legislative scenario.",{"idx":5218,"utterance_id":5219,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5220,"start_s":5221,"end_s":5222,"word_count":127,"topic_slug":5223,"topic_label":5224,"target_id":5225,"target_proposition":5226,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5227,"indexable":257},785,"213153","More or less how I did with the National Congress.",4163.16,4164.94,"casa-civil-articulacao-politica","Civil House \u002F Political Coordination","426b6558-12ef-40b6-9779-42cea4526279","form political coalitions when governing","says he intends to act as he did in Congress to approve state proposals.",{"idx":5229,"utterance_id":5230,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5231,"start_s":5232,"end_s":5233,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},786,"213154","It's not more unfavorable than the National Congress.",4166,4168.62,{"idx":5235,"utterance_id":5236,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5237,"start_s":5238,"end_s":5239,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":5223,"topic_label":5224,"target_id":5240,"target_proposition":5241,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5242,"indexable":257},787,"213155","And we sent to the National Congress, the one that's there, more than 70 legislative proposals, counting constitutional amendments, complementary laws, provisional measures—over 70.",4169.66,4181.08,"c13ccdba-ea33-4007-b68d-ba880f101f90","present and negotiate a broad legislative agenda (laws, PECs, MPs)","claims to have submitted over 70 projects and agendas to the Congress.",{"idx":44,"utterance_id":5244,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5245,"start_s":5246,"end_s":5247,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},"213156","I had two setbacks, two, out of more than 70.",4181.98,4186.96,{"idx":5249,"utterance_id":5250,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5251,"start_s":5252,"end_s":5253,"word_count":211,"topic_slug":5254,"topic_label":5255,"target_id":5256,"target_proposition":5257,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":310,"rationale":5258,"indexable":257},789,"213157","And in both I went to the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) and won there, because the Executive was right and the Congress exceeded its prerogatives.",4187.04,4197.3,"poder-judiciario-e-separacao-de-poderes","Judiciary & Separation of Powers","3e689e78-ec56-484a-9c6e-3babee7ec540","appeal to the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) when the National Congress exceeds the Executive's prerogatives","claims to have appealed to the STF and obtained favorable rulings for the Executive.",{"idx":5260,"utterance_id":5261,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5262,"start_s":5263,"end_s":5264,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},790,"213158","So we had a 100% success rate, 100% success rate.",4197.98,4203.6,{"idx":5266,"utterance_id":5267,"speaker_name":69,"text":5268,"start_s":5269,"end_s":5270,"word_count":114,"topic_slug":5271,"topic_label":5272,"target_id":5273,"target_proposition":5274,"stance":361,"stance_confidence":1689,"rationale":5275,"indexable":74},791,"213159","But then you have to open the coffers.",4203.64,4205.6,"estrategia-legislativa","Legislative strategy","43480bff-46a9-4007-861f-8310776e211a","use resources and amendments as part of legislative negotiation","interviewer states the need to 'abrir cofres' to negotiate, without personally endorsing it.",{"idx":5277,"utterance_id":5278,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5279,"start_s":5270,"end_s":5280,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},792,"213160","95% success in the vote.",4207.18,{"idx":5282,"utterance_id":5283,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5284,"start_s":5285,"end_s":5286,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},793,"213161","and 5% success at the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",4208.4,4210.7,{"idx":5288,"utterance_id":5289,"speaker_name":69,"text":5290,"start_s":5291,"end_s":5292,"word_count":105,"indexable":74},794,"213162","Then you have to open coffers, make the amendments, pay...",4210.84,4214.06,{"idx":5294,"utterance_id":5295,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5296,"start_s":5297,"end_s":5298,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},795,"213163","Look, you know, I'm going to tell you something, and you may or may not believe it, because it's unbelievable.",4214.14,4220.76,{"idx":5300,"utterance_id":5301,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5302,"start_s":5303,"end_s":5304,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":2374,"topic_label":2375,"target_id":5305,"target_proposition":5306,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5307,"indexable":257},796,"213164","But we managed to reach an understanding with the National Congress, and I did not stop praising the presidents of the two houses, saying, look, the economy requires caution because of Bolsonaro's legacy.",4222.08,4234.96,"c7758dcb-862b-4a07-802e-6f8896974d5e","isolate economic debates from negotiations over amendments and appointments","says he managed to isolate the economic agenda from the 'varejo' bargaining in Congress.",{"idx":5309,"utterance_id":5310,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5311,"start_s":5312,"end_s":5313,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},797,"213165","Shall we put this in order?",4235.36,4236.52,{"idx":5315,"utterance_id":5316,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5317,"start_s":5318,"end_s":5319,"word_count":185,"indexable":74},798,"213166","And let's isolate the economic debates from the more retail negotiation—it's amendments, it's positions, it's participation in government.",4237.06,4245.7,{"idx":5321,"utterance_id":5322,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5323,"start_s":5324,"end_s":5325,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},799,"213167","The Ministry of Finance won't be able to negotiate everything.",4246.1,4248.96,{"idx":5327,"utterance_id":5328,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5329,"start_s":5330,"end_s":5331,"word_count":227,"indexable":74},800,"213168","So we'll try to isolate as much as possible the state debates; it's a difficult agenda, a more complex agenda, an agenda that requires a lot of negotiation.",4248.98,4258.84,{"idx":5333,"utterance_id":5334,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5335,"start_s":5336,"end_s":5337,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},801,"213169","And we'll try to isolate a bit.",4259.42,4260.84,{"idx":5339,"utterance_id":5340,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5341,"start_s":5342,"end_s":5343,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},802,"213170","And we managed to achieve that isolation.",4261.44,4263.14,{"idx":5345,"utterance_id":5346,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5347,"start_s":5348,"end_s":5349,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},803,"213171","I never had to negotiate anything—positions, amendments.",4263.22,4266.3,{"idx":5351,"utterance_id":5352,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5353,"start_s":5354,"end_s":5355,"word_count":107,"indexable":74},804,"213172","to approve the Ministry of Finance's agenda.",4266.7,4268.72,{"idx":5357,"utterance_id":5358,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5359,"start_s":5360,"end_s":5361,"word_count":416,"indexable":74},805,"213173","Because a negotiation was made during the transition with Arthur Lira and with Rodrigo Pacheco, which later extended to the current presidents, Gumote and Alcolumbre, and we managed to say, look, let's try to maintain a minimal State agenda here, uncontaminated, because otherwise it won't",4269.2,4288.82,{"idx":5363,"utterance_id":5364,"speaker_name":69,"text":5365,"start_s":5366,"end_s":5367,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},806,"213174","we will deliver what",4288.9,4290.04,{"idx":5369,"utterance_id":5370,"speaker_name":69,"text":5371,"start_s":5372,"end_s":5373,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},807,"213175","the country needs.",4290.06,4291.14,{"idx":5375,"utterance_id":5376,"speaker_name":69,"text":5377,"start_s":5378,"end_s":5379,"word_count":100,"indexable":74},808,"213176","This bill has come due for someone.",4291.94,4293.5,{"idx":5381,"utterance_id":5382,"speaker_name":69,"text":5383,"start_s":5384,"end_s":5385,"word_count":127,"indexable":74},809,"213177","We know how the game works in the National Congress.",4293.58,4295.9,{"idx":5387,"utterance_id":5388,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5389,"start_s":5390,"end_s":5391,"word_count":290,"indexable":74},810,"213178","I'm saying, Clarissa, you are asking me, you asked me about Roberta, I answered you that I never had a meeting with her, that I never received a request for an audience, that I was never summoned for anything.",4295.92,4307.86,{"idx":5393,"utterance_id":5394,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5395,"start_s":5396,"end_s":5397,"word_count":211,"indexable":74},811,"213179","And I'm telling you that I never had to negotiate with any of the presidents of the houses around the economic agenda.",4308.36,4316.1,{"idx":5399,"utterance_id":5400,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5401,"start_s":5402,"end_s":5403,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},812,"213180","If I said otherwise, I would be lying.",4316.54,4318.46,{"idx":5405,"utterance_id":5406,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5407,"start_s":5408,"end_s":5409,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},813,"213181","That didn't happen.",4318.8,4319.54,{"idx":5411,"utterance_id":5412,"speaker_name":69,"text":5413,"start_s":5414,"end_s":5415,"word_count":73,"indexable":74},814,"213182","Minister, you...",4319.88,4320.98,{"idx":5417,"utterance_id":5418,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5419,"start_s":5420,"end_s":5421,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},815,"213183","When the two setbacks that I couldn't get approved happened, I appealed to the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",4321.22,4328.58,{"idx":5423,"utterance_id":5424,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5425,"start_s":5426,"end_s":5427,"word_count":94,"indexable":74},816,"213184","And those were tense days.",4329.28,4331.6,{"idx":5429,"utterance_id":5430,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5431,"start_s":5432,"end_s":5433,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},817,"213185","Having to go to the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) to oppose the National Congress isn't easy.",4332.3,4336.1,{"idx":5435,"utterance_id":5436,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5437,"start_s":5438,"end_s":5439,"word_count":137,"indexable":74},818,"213186","But not only was I right on the merits, I also needed the measure.",4336.66,4341.12,{"idx":5441,"utterance_id":5442,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5443,"start_s":5444,"end_s":5445,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},819,"213187","To deliver today a budget to the National Congress with a primary surplus, something I did not receive.",4342.16,4347.94,{"idx":5447,"utterance_id":5448,"speaker_name":69,"text":5449,"start_s":5450,"end_s":5451,"word_count":27,"indexable":74},820,"213188","In 2022, you ran against Tarcísio de Freitas, lost electorally, but achieved a political victory by taking the PT (Workers' Party) to an unprecedented second-round result in the State.",4348.84,4360.44,{"idx":5453,"utterance_id":5454,"speaker_name":69,"text":5455,"start_s":5456,"end_s":5457,"word_count":467,"indexable":74},821,"213189","In this election, he is the incumbent, running for re-election as the sitting governor; he is widely ahead in the polls, and an extract from Datafolha, an analysis by segment, shows that—excluding the São Paulo metropolitan region, that is, in the interior and on the State's coast—he has double your share of the vote intention.",4361,4381.3,{"idx":5459,"utterance_id":5460,"speaker_name":69,"text":5461,"start_s":5462,"end_s":5463,"word_count":21,"indexable":74},822,"213190","What would constitute, and you also said the other day that it is mathematically impossible to have a second round with only two competitive candidates in the race?",4381.4,4390.46,{"idx":5465,"utterance_id":5466,"speaker_name":69,"text":5467,"start_s":5468,"end_s":5469,"word_count":157,"indexable":74},823,"213191","What would be for you a victory, if not electoral, then political, in this election?",4391.2,4395.58,{"idx":5471,"utterance_id":5472,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5473,"start_s":5474,"end_s":5475,"word_count":259,"topic_slug":5476,"topic_label":5477,"target_id":5478,"target_proposition":5479,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5480,"indexable":257},824,"213192","Look, I have a view of democracy that sometimes conflicts a bit with... For me, democracy is something very sacred, which is the following: the sovereign is the voter.",4396.84,4413.78,"democracia-e-participacao-eleitoral","Democracy & Electoral Participation","f86eb1bf-53c3-448e-b41b-3f0a82f41715","promote public debate and clarification about policies","argues that informing the population is a condition for exercising sovereignty.",{"idx":5482,"utterance_id":5483,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5484,"start_s":5485,"end_s":5486,"word_count":145,"indexable":74},825,"213193","Now, an uninformed voter will not exercise that sovereignty in the most adequate way.",4414.46,4420.38,{"idx":5488,"utterance_id":5489,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5490,"start_s":5491,"end_s":5492,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":5476,"topic_label":5477,"target_id":5478,"target_proposition":5479,"stance":254,"stance_confidence":428,"rationale":5493,"indexable":257},826,"213194","If I am able to inform everything, everything I know about São Paulo, all the problems I identified in 120 days of work, with a team of 100 people, thoroughly analyzing each state secretariat.",4420.9,4433.96,"commits to informing the public about the diagnosis of the state administration.",{"idx":5495,"utterance_id":5496,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5497,"start_s":5498,"end_s":5499,"word_count":119,"indexable":74},827,"213195","If I inform the population, and still they prefer to give continuity, I have fulfilled the role of the opposition.",4434.52,4441.52,{"idx":5501,"utterance_id":5502,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5503,"start_s":5504,"end_s":5505,"word_count":121,"indexable":74},828,"213196","But I know the people of São Paulo.",4442.3,4444.94,{"idx":5507,"utterance_id":5508,"speaker_name":247,"speaker_slug":248,"text":5509,"start_s":5510,"end_s":5511,"word_count":163,"indexable":74},829,"213197","And I'm sure that, if informed, on October 4th these people will 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