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We are everything, exactly.",1545.26,1547.2,{"idx":2028,"utterance_id":2029,"speaker_name":86,"text":2030,"start_s":2031,"end_s":2032,"word_count":107,"indexable":75},330,"73757","You can't talk about persecution, for God's sake.",1547.68,1549.98,{"idx":2034,"utterance_id":2035,"speaker_name":86,"text":2036,"start_s":2037,"end_s":2038,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},331,"73758","So we generally do worry about that, indeed.",1550.44,1552.64,{"idx":2040,"utterance_id":2041,"speaker_name":86,"text":2042,"start_s":2043,"end_s":2044,"word_count":15,"indexable":75},332,"73759","The person we're laughing at, that group we're laughing at, they... are disadvantaged; can they answer back, generally, is what we ask, you know?",1552.94,1561.06,{"idx":2046,"utterance_id":2047,"speaker_name":86,"text":2048,"start_s":2049,"end_s":2050,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},333,"73760","Do they have any power to answer back?",1561.12,1563,{"idx":2052,"utterance_id":2053,"speaker_name":86,"text":2054,"start_s":2055,"end_s":2056,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},334,"73761","Or is it going to be a vertical thing, from top to bottom, hitting a minority?",1563.04,1566.56,{"idx":2058,"utterance_id":2059,"speaker_name":86,"text":2060,"start_s":2061,"end_s":2062,"word_count":27,"indexable":75},335,"73762","When we say, no, it's not. In our case, when we make a video, for example, in Zona Pastor Evangelico, which has some... Those guys have much more power than we do, actually.",1567.1,1574.2,{"idx":2064,"utterance_id":2065,"speaker_name":86,"text":2066,"start_s":2067,"end_s":2068,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},336,"73763","They have a whole television channel, in fact, several.",1574.24,1576.52,{"idx":2070,"utterance_id":2071,"speaker_name":86,"text":2072,"start_s":2073,"end_s":2074,"word_count":181,"indexable":75},337,"73764","So you can't say, 'poor Adir Macedo, he won't be able to respond to us.'",1576.82,1581.16,{"idx":2076,"utterance_id":2077,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2078,"start_s":2079,"end_s":2080,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},338,"73765","In other words, beyond parity of arms, everything is peaceful.",1581.2,1583.94,{"idx":2082,"utterance_id":2083,"speaker_name":86,"text":2084,"start_s":2085,"end_s":2086,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},339,"73766","Everything's peaceful, with God's love.",1583.98,1585.6,{"idx":2088,"utterance_id":2089,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2090,"start_s":2091,"end_s":2092,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},340,"73767","Do you think that's a criterion to evaluate the quality of humor?",1585.66,1590.36,{"idx":2094,"utterance_id":2095,"speaker_name":86,"text":2096,"start_s":2097,"end_s":2098,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},341,"73768","I think it is.",1591.88,1592.22,{"idx":2100,"utterance_id":2101,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2102,"start_s":2103,"end_s":2104,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},342,"73769","The vulnerability of the one who is...",1593.08,1594.84,{"idx":2106,"utterance_id":2107,"speaker_name":86,"text":2108,"start_s":2109,"end_s":2110,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},343,"73770","Totally.",1595.42,1595.98,{"idx":2112,"utterance_id":2113,"speaker_name":86,"text":2114,"start_s":2115,"end_s":2116,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},344,"73771","I think humor needs courage.",1596.42,1597.66,{"idx":2118,"utterance_id":2119,"speaker_name":86,"text":2120,"start_s":2121,"end_s":2122,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},345,"73772","I think when you only hit the disadvantaged, you're showing yourself to be a coward.",1598.16,1602.72,{"idx":2124,"utterance_id":2125,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2126,"start_s":2127,"end_s":2128,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},346,"73773","And Brazil is full of cowardly humor.",1603.42,1605.22,{"idx":2130,"utterance_id":2131,"speaker_name":86,"text":2132,"start_s":2133,"end_s":2134,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},347,"73774","It's full of cowardly humor.",1605.26,1606.36,{"idx":2136,"utterance_id":2137,"speaker_name":86,"text":2138,"start_s":2139,"end_s":2140,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},348,"73775","Full.",1606.76,1607.04,{"idx":2142,"utterance_id":2143,"speaker_name":86,"text":2144,"start_s":2145,"end_s":2146,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},349,"73776","There are people who only go after women, homosexuals and black people.",1607.78,1611.22,{"idx":2148,"utterance_id":2149,"speaker_name":86,"text":2150,"start_s":2151,"end_s":2152,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},350,"73777","In other words, there are comedians who hit the same people the police hit.",1611.28,1613.74,{"idx":2154,"utterance_id":2155,"speaker_name":86,"text":2156,"start_s":2157,"end_s":2158,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},351,"73778","What you're doing is a disservice.",1614.58,1617.5,{"idx":2160,"utterance_id":2161,"speaker_name":86,"text":2162,"start_s":2163,"end_s":2164,"word_count":181,"indexable":75},352,"73779","You're really hitting, you're reinforcing a policy... Thinking, and worst of all, thinking you're being brave.",1617.66,1627.1,{"idx":2166,"utterance_id":2167,"speaker_name":86,"text":2168,"start_s":2169,"end_s":2170,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},353,"73780","Who says like, I say it, I'll say it, about black people or whatever.",1627.14,1629.98,{"idx":2172,"utterance_id":2173,"speaker_name":86,"text":2174,"start_s":2175,"end_s":2176,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},354,"73781","Man, you have no courage in that at all.",1630.26,1633.04,{"idx":2178,"utterance_id":2179,"speaker_name":86,"text":2180,"start_s":2181,"end_s":2182,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},355,"73782","That's not brave.",1633.6,1634.62,{"idx":2184,"utterance_id":2185,"speaker_name":86,"text":2186,"start_s":2187,"end_s":2188,"word_count":181,"indexable":75},356,"73783","You're saying what Brazil has been saying somewhere since the 16th century.",1634.66,1639.14,{"idx":2190,"utterance_id":2191,"speaker_name":86,"text":2192,"start_s":2193,"end_s":2194,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},357,"73784","So, I think it's a shame that this exists.",1639.9,1643.06,{"idx":2196,"utterance_id":2197,"speaker_name":86,"text":2198,"start_s":2199,"end_s":2200,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},358,"73785","And I think there's a line from my friend Antônio Prata that's great.",1643.54,1645.82,{"idx":2202,"utterance_id":2203,"speaker_name":86,"text":2204,"start_s":2205,"end_s":2206,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},359,"73786","Doing humor is like running your hand over the cop's ass.",1645.88,1647.76,{"idx":2208,"utterance_id":2209,"speaker_name":86,"text":2210,"start_s":2211,"end_s":2212,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},360,"73787","Somewhere, your target — if your target is armed, better.",1648.22,1652.66,{"idx":2214,"utterance_id":2215,"speaker_name":86,"text":2216,"start_s":2217,"end_s":2218,"word_count":169,"indexable":75},361,"73788","Because I think that's what makes it transgressive, what makes it funny.",1654.2,1660.14,{"idx":2220,"utterance_id":2221,"speaker_name":86,"text":2222,"start_s":2223,"end_s":2224,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},362,"73789","Somewhere it's your courage, it's the risk you're taking.",1660.6,1663,{"idx":2226,"utterance_id":2227,"speaker_name":86,"text":2228,"start_s":2229,"end_s":2230,"word_count":326,"indexable":75},363,"73790","If not, man, that comfortable humor of laughing only at people you know won't answer back, laughing only at who open TV has been laughing at for 200 years and the police already beat, I think it's cowardly, I think it's ugly and I don't find it funny either.",1663.5,1675.7,{"idx":2232,"utterance_id":2233,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2234,"start_s":2235,"end_s":2236,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},364,"73791","That's a discussion that goes on in the...",1676.62,1678.44,{"idx":2238,"utterance_id":2239,"speaker_name":86,"text":2240,"start_s":2241,"end_s":2242,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},365,"73792","Super.",1679.04,1679.32,{"idx":2244,"utterance_id":2245,"speaker_name":86,"text":2246,"start_s":2247,"end_s":2248,"word_count":150,"indexable":75},366,"73793","We have sketch meetings where we debate the texts.",1680,1683.54,{"idx":2250,"utterance_id":2251,"speaker_name":86,"text":2252,"start_s":2253,"end_s":2254,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},367,"73794","And, of course, the main criterion is funniness.",1683.68,1685.22,{"idx":2256,"utterance_id":2257,"speaker_name":86,"text":2258,"start_s":2259,"end_s":2260,"word_count":285,"indexable":75},368,"73795","We say, funny, that's not... But when we say, man, this might even be funny, but haven't we already seen this joke a thousand times on open TV, at the barbecue uncle?",1685.34,1694.44,{"idx":2262,"utterance_id":2263,"speaker_name":86,"text":2264,"start_s":2265,"end_s":2266,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},369,"73796","Doesn't that look like the kind of humor we're trying to avoid?",1694.78,1697.56,{"idx":2268,"utterance_id":2269,"speaker_name":86,"text":2270,"start_s":2271,"end_s":2272,"word_count":156,"indexable":75},370,"73797","And, in general, our main criterion is to not approve a video.",1698.34,1701.66,{"idx":2274,"utterance_id":2275,"speaker_name":86,"text":2276,"start_s":2277,"end_s":2278,"word_count":128,"indexable":75},371,"73798","To say, man, that one is sounding tired, you know?",1701.7,1705.4,{"idx":2280,"utterance_id":2281,"speaker_name":86,"text":2282,"start_s":2283,"end_s":2284,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},372,"73799","It's not just about being prejudiced.",1705.46,1707.6,{"idx":2286,"utterance_id":2287,"speaker_name":86,"text":2288,"start_s":2289,"end_s":2290,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},373,"73800","That's not our kind of humor anymore.",1708.32,1710,{"idx":2292,"utterance_id":2293,"speaker_name":86,"text":2294,"start_s":2295,"end_s":2296,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},374,"73801","We tend a lot to have some freshness, some surprise.",1710.04,1712.62,{"idx":2298,"utterance_id":2299,"speaker_name":86,"text":2300,"start_s":2301,"end_s":2302,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},375,"73802","Generally, freshness comes from you looking for new targets.",1712.76,1715.64,{"idx":2304,"utterance_id":2305,"speaker_name":86,"text":2306,"start_s":2307,"end_s":2308,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},376,"73803","You never saw anyone laughing at this, you know?",1715.7,1717.18,{"idx":2310,"utterance_id":2311,"speaker_name":86,"text":2312,"start_s":2313,"end_s":2314,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},377,"73804","I want to laugh at that.",1717.6,1718.26,{"idx":2316,"utterance_id":2317,"speaker_name":86,"text":2318,"start_s":2319,"end_s":2320,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},378,"73805","So we generally look for targets that are kind of virgin to getting hit.",1718.68,1722.04,{"idx":2322,"utterance_id":2323,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2324,"start_s":2325,"end_s":2326,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},379,"73806","Can you elaborate?",1722.36,1724.56,{"idx":2328,"utterance_id":2329,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2330,"start_s":2331,"end_s":2332,"word_count":163,"indexable":75},380,"73807","It's a difficult question I'm going to ask you, because I'm thinking about it myself here.",1724.6,1728.68,{"idx":2334,"utterance_id":2335,"speaker_name":69,"speaker_slug":70,"text":2336,"start_s":2337,"end_s":2338,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},381,"73808","Elaborate the difference between that and the politically correct.",1729.94,1733.18,{"idx":2340,"utterance_id":2341,"speaker_name":86,"text":2342,"start_s":2343,"end_s":2344,"word_count":77,"indexable":75},382,"73809","Yes.",1733.36,1733.5,{"idx":2346,"utterance_id":2347,"speaker_name":86,"text":2348,"start_s":2349,"end_s":2350,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},383,"73810","How do you elaborate?",1733.88,1735.02,{"idx":2352,"utterance_id":2353,"speaker_name":86,"text":2354,"start_s":2355,"end_s":2356,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},384,"73811","I think the politically correct is also very damaging.",1735.5,1737.8,{"idx":2358,"utterance_id":2359,"speaker_name":86,"text":2360,"start_s":2361,"end_s":2362,"word_count":95,"indexable":75},385,"73812","It's to avoid being annoying.",1738.2,1739.3,{"idx":2364,"utterance_id":2365,"speaker_name":86,"text":2366,"start_s":2367,"end_s":2368,"word_count":82,"indexable":75},386,"73813","Not to be annoying.",1739.34,1739.94,{"idx":2370,"utterance_id":2371,"speaker_name":86,"text":2372,"start_s":2373,"end_s":2374,"word_count":97,"indexable":75},387,"73814","How do you do it?",1740.02,1740.66,{"idx":2376,"utterance_id":2377,"speaker_name":86,"text":2378,"start_s":2379,"end_s":2380,"word_count":114,"indexable":75},388,"73815","Because the politically correct works with prohibition.",1740.84,1742.78,{"idx":2382,"utterance_id":2383,"speaker_name":86,"text":2384,"start_s":2385,"end_s":2386,"word_count":21,"indexable":75},389,"73816","And then when it makes a prohibition, we have that interest of the prohibition itself, which we were saying existed before.",1743.3,1748.8,{"idx":2388,"utterance_id":2389,"speaker_name":86,"text":2390,"start_s":2391,"end_s":2392,"word_count":109,"indexable":75},390,"73817","So, you know, it puts, for 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taboo.",1758.32,1759.66,{"idx":2423,"utterance_id":2424,"speaker_name":86,"text":2425,"start_s":2426,"end_s":2427,"word_count":126,"indexable":75},396,"73823","So, you can't make a sexist joke, that's forbidden, it's a crime.",1759.74,1762.9,{"idx":2429,"utterance_id":2430,"speaker_name":86,"text":2431,"start_s":2432,"end_s":2433,"word_count":4,"indexable":75},397,"73824","Whoa, even as a comedian I say, whoa, are you forbidding me?",1763.28,1766.34,{"idx":2435,"utterance_id":2436,"speaker_name":86,"text":2437,"start_s":2438,"end_s":2439,"word_count":121,"indexable":75},398,"73825","This will get interesting, I'll think that we, you know?",1766.58,1768.94,{"idx":2441,"utterance_id":2442,"speaker_name":86,"text":2443,"start_s":2444,"end_s":2445,"word_count":49,"indexable":75},399,"73826","That's why I think this whole business of forbidding the canceled is very bad for comedy, precisely because it generates a source of 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