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Also because there is a sensitivity to be respected.",1038.16,1046.7,{"idx":1170,"utterance_id":1171,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1172,"start_s":1173,"end_s":1174,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},168,"116296","Which is: what is the role of religion currently in Brazil.",1048.7,1051.38,{"idx":1176,"utterance_id":1177,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1178,"start_s":1179,"end_s":1180,"word_count":250,"indexable":180},169,"116297","In your research you must also measure that kind of thing, ask.",1052.1,1056.44,{"idx":1182,"utterance_id":1183,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1184,"start_s":1185,"end_s":1186,"word_count":348,"indexable":180},170,"116298","Also because you are after consumption patterns and want to understand the Brazilian mind, which today is 30%, I don't know, 30% evangelical, something around that, 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election were also very important for President Lula's reelection.",1188.04,1197.22,{"idx":1336,"utterance_id":1337,"speaker_name":216,"text":1338,"start_s":1339,"end_s":1340,"word_count":279,"indexable":180},196,"116324","Some of the pastors who are with Bolsonaro today were at some point with President Lula.",1199.62,1203.76,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1342,"speaker_name":216,"text":1343,"start_s":1344,"end_s":1345,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},"116325","I'm only saying this to make clear that religion isn't the point there.",1203.8,1210.22,{"idx":1347,"utterance_id":1348,"speaker_name":216,"text":1349,"start_s":1350,"end_s":1351,"word_count":49,"indexable":180},198,"116326","The point is what kind of narrative is being made in the social debate that speaks to a portion of the Brazilian population that believes in God.",1210.82,1223.14,{"idx":1353,"utterance_id":1354,"speaker_name":216,"text":1355,"start_s":1356,"end_s":1357,"word_count":279,"indexable":180},199,"116327","that 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To educate.",1416.06,1417.86,{"idx":1563,"utterance_id":1564,"speaker_name":216,"text":1565,"start_s":1566,"end_s":1567,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},234,"116362","To educate.",1418.16,1418.52,{"idx":1569,"utterance_id":1570,"speaker_name":216,"text":1571,"start_s":1572,"end_s":1573,"word_count":279,"indexable":180},235,"116363","When you ask, does a school offering sexual guidance encourage people to take precautions?",1420.62,1436.18,{"idx":1575,"utterance_id":1576,"speaker_name":216,"text":1577,"start_s":1578,"end_s":1579,"word_count":206,"indexable":180},236,"116364","Or is it something that encourages people to have a diverse sexual orientation?",1437.42,1445.56,{"idx":1581,"utterance_id":1582,"speaker_name":216,"text":1583,"start_s":1584,"end_s":1585,"word_count":279,"indexable":180},237,"116365","Seventy percent think it encourages people to take precautions and to better prepare for life.",1445.58,1450.68,{"idx":1587,"utterance_id":1588,"speaker_name":216,"text":1589,"start_s":1590,"end_s":1591,"word_count":182,"indexable":180},238,"116366","I understand.",1450.74,1451,{"idx":1593,"utterance_id":1594,"speaker_name":216,"text":1595,"start_s":1596,"end_s":1597,"word_count":250,"indexable":180},239,"116367","If you have that debate, you find the consensus of Brazilian society.",1452.16,1457.02,{"idx":1599,"utterance_id":1600,"speaker_name":216,"text":1601,"start_s":1602,"end_s":1603,"word_count":250,"indexable":180},240,"116368","If you get into dick talk, you don't make that argument.",1457.3,1461,{"idx":1605,"utterance_id":1606,"speaker_name":216,"text":1607,"start_s":1608,"end_s":1609,"word_count":200,"indexable":180},241,"116369","What happens is that a portion of Brazilian society prefers to ridicule the other than to understand what unites.",1462.26,1468.52,{"idx":1611,"utterance_id":1612,"speaker_name":216,"text":1613,"start_s":1614,"end_s":1615,"word_count":226,"indexable":180},242,"116370","Because they are also in their comfort zone.",1469.36,1471.02,{"idx":1617,"utterance_id":1618,"speaker_name":216,"text":1619,"start_s":1620,"end_s":1621,"word_count":43,"indexable":180},243,"116371","The point, and this is what the opposition to this government didn't understand, is that there is no chance of changing this political mindset in the territory of hatred.",1471.68,1481.64,{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1623,"speaker_name":216,"text":1624,"start_s":1625,"end_s":1626,"word_count":279,"indexable":180},"116372","Hatred is Bolsonaro's territory, it's not the territory of the civilizational layer of Brazilian society.",1482.24,1488.3,{"idx":1628,"utterance_id":1629,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1630,"start_s":1631,"end_s":1632,"word_count":226,"indexable":180},245,"116373","Let me ask you one last question.",1489.4,1491.56,{"idx":1634,"utterance_id":1635,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1636,"start_s":1637,"end_s":1638,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},246,"116374","which is the question about authoritarianism.",1493.6,1495.4,{"idx":1640,"utterance_id":1641,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1642,"start_s":1643,"end_s":1644,"word_count":398,"indexable":180},247,"116375","Every now and then the refrain is, look, Brazilians are authoritarian at heart, they value strength, they like strong governments, but in the bad sense of the word 'strong'—the kind that restricts autonomy, restricts liberties and so on.",1496.32,1511.88,{"idx":1646,"utterance_id":1647,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1648,"start_s":1649,"end_s":1650,"word_count":226,"indexable":180},248,"116376","I, personally, don't have that perception of Brazilians.",1512.94,1516.88,{"idx":1652,"utterance_id":1653,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1654,"start_s":1655,"end_s":1656,"word_count":200,"indexable":180},249,"116377","What actually... What do you find from the questions you ask people in your surveys?",1518.24,1524.04,{"idx":1658,"utterance_id":1659,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1660,"start_s":1661,"end_s":1662,"word_count":214,"indexable":180},250,"116378","Do Brazilians have an authoritarian trait?",1524.8,1526.42,{"idx":1664,"utterance_id":1665,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1666,"start_s":1667,"end_s":1668,"word_count":4,"indexable":180},251,"116379","Does the Brazilian citizen have an authoritarian trait or a trait of authority?",1526.46,1532.02,{"idx":1670,"utterance_id":1671,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1672,"start_s":1673,"end_s":1674,"word_count":232,"indexable":180},252,"116380","What is he seeking from that point of view?",1532.22,1535.02,{"idx":1676,"utterance_id":1677,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1678,"start_s":1679,"end_s":1680,"word_count":279,"indexable":180},253,"116381","We've already talked about equality of opportunity, which involves education, security, health, a number of things.",1535.06,1540.48,{"idx":1682,"utterance_id":1683,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1684,"start_s":1685,"end_s":1686,"word_count":348,"indexable":180},254,"116382","We've already talked about customs, that you have to know how to deal with... It's not about turning topics into taboos, but about knowing how to approach them, to bring people back to rationality.",1540.92,1553.88,{"idx":1688,"utterance_id":1689,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1690,"start_s":1691,"end_s":1692,"word_count":243,"indexable":180},255,"116383","And on the political question, this issue of authoritarianism, how do you see it?",1554.54,1558.38,{"idx":1694,"utterance_id":1695,"speaker_name":216,"text":1696,"start_s":1697,"end_s":1698,"word_count":60,"indexable":180},256,"116384","I think there is no single thought in Brazilian society, nor a stagnant thought in Brazilian society on this topic.",1558.84,1565.16,{"idx":1700,"utterance_id":1701,"speaker_name":107,"speaker_slug":106,"text":1702,"start_s":1703,"end_s":1704,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},257,"116385","That is, it changes.",1567.28,1568.92,{"idx":1706,"utterance_id":1707,"speaker_name":216,"text":1708,"start_s":1709,"end_s":1710,"word_count":195,"indexable":180},258,"116386","It changes.",1568.98,1569.54,{"idx":1712,"utterance_id":1713,"speaker_name":216,"text":1714,"start_s":1715,"end_s":1716,"word_count":226,"indexable":180},259,"116387","It's fluid, to use the trendy terms.",1570.92,1572.9,{"idx":1718,"utterance_id":1719,"speaker_name":216,"text":1720,"start_s":1721,"end_s":1722,"word_count":285,"indexable":180},260,"116388","This has to do with whether we are in a moment of crisis or not.",1574.36,1579.36,{"idx":1724,"utterance_id":1725,"speaker_name":216,"text":1726,"start_s":1727,"end_s":1728,"word_count":337,"indexable":180},261,"116389","In times of crisis, Brazilians look for a leadership with enough firmness to dictate the directions our country can take, or to inspire them.",1580.28,1593.88,{"idx":1730,"utterance_id":1731,"speaker_name":216,"text":1732,"start_s":1733,"end_s":1734,"word_count":43,"indexable":180},262,"116390","If they don't find an inspiring leader, someone firm enough to say 'I am against everything that's there,' even without presenting any proposal.",1594.06,1602.08,{"idx":1736,"utterance_id":1737,"speaker_name":216,"text":1738,"start_s":1739,"end_s":1740,"word_count":208,"indexable":180},263,"116391","That was the last presidential election.",1602.58,1603.7,{"idx":1742,"utterance_id":1743,"speaker_name":216,"text":1744,"start_s":1745,"end_s":1746,"word_count":226,"indexable":180},264,"116392","Proposals weren't discussed, merits weren't discussed.",1604.82,1607.14,{"idx":1748,"utterance_id":1749,"speaker_name":216,"text":1750,"start_s":1751,"end_s":1752,"word_count":267,"indexable":180},265,"116393","It was just speaking louder against something and not in favor of issues.",1607.2,1612.68,{"idx":1754,"utterance_id":1755,"speaker_name":216,"text":1756,"start_s":1757,"end_s":1758,"word_count":273,"indexable":180},266,"116394","What I can state is that Brazilians don't like those who don't have an opinion.",1612.72,1617.94,{"idx":413,"utterance_id":1760,"speaker_name":216,"text":1761,"start_s":1762,"end_s":1763,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},"116395","Historically they don't respect those who don't have an opinion.",1620.24,1624.8,{"idx":1765,"utterance_id":1766,"speaker_name":216,"text":1767,"start_s":1768,"end_s":1769,"word_count":226,"indexable":180},268,"116396","That's different from not respecting those who want to listen.",1626.34,1628.42,{"idx":1771,"utterance_id":1772,"speaker_name":216,"text":1773,"start_s":1774,"end_s":1775,"word_count":261,"indexable":180},269,"116397","who seeks consensus, but in a firm way, tends to have people's sympathy.",1633.34,1640.86,{"idx":1777,"utterance_id":1778,"speaker_name":216,"text":1779,"start_s":1780,"end_s":1781,"word_count":410,"indexable":180},270,"116398","I believe the electoral process has a great chance that the next presidential election will move toward a radicalization of the center, which I call the W theory. People think the center is lukewarm, that the center has no opinion.",1642.72,1658.22,{"idx":1783,"utterance_id":1784,"speaker_name":216,"text":1785,"start_s":1786,"end_s":1787,"word_count":49,"indexable":180},271,"116399","If you radicalize the center with what is consensus, with what up until now has been common sense for a considerable portion of people.",1659.4,1667.74,{"idx":1789,"utterance_id":1790,"speaker_name":216,"text":1791,"start_s":1792,"end_s":1793,"word_count":187,"indexable":180},272,"116400","By giving example, offering situations, you bring people in.",1668.24,1671.32,{"idx":1795,"utterance_id":1796,"speaker_name":216,"text":1797,"start_s":1798,"end_s":1799,"word_count":337,"indexable":180},273,"116401","It brings, for example, even on questions of customs, an evangelical who may be against abortion, but who had two daughters who were already forced to have abortions.",1672.3,1680.8,{"idx":1801,"utterance_id":1802,"speaker_name":216,"text":1803,"start_s":1804,"end_s":1805,"word_count":250,"indexable":180},274,"116402","And continues to receive those daughters and welcome them inside the home.",1681.5,1684.72,{"idx":1807,"utterance_id":1808,"speaker_name":216,"text":1809,"start_s":1810,"end_s":1811,"word_count":279,"indexable":180},275,"116403","Because in diversity you also find a solidarity, a generosity that mere discourse does not allow to exist.",1686.26,1693.1,{"idx":1813,"utterance_id":1814,"speaker_name":216,"text":1815,"start_s":1816,"end_s":1817,"word_count":226,"indexable":180},276,"116404","Understand that people don't care.",1693.86,1695.54,{"idx":1819,"utterance_id":1820,"speaker_name":216,"text":1821,"start_s":1822,"end_s":1823,"word_count":206,"indexable":180},277,"116405","Whether the state is big or small, they want one that 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