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everyone, I'm Isabela Alonso Planho, a Veja reporter, and today I have here Senator and presidential pre-candidate Flávio Bolsonaro.",2.78,12.48,27,false,{"idx":180,"utterance_id":181,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":182,"start_s":183,"end_s":184,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},1,"208684","Hello, Senator, welcome and thank you for accepting our invitation.",12.98,16.94,11,{"idx":187,"utterance_id":188,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":189,"start_s":190,"end_s":191,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},2,"208685","Hello, Isabela, hello to everyone in the studios.",17.16,20,8,{"idx":194,"utterance_id":195,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":196,"start_s":197,"end_s":198,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},3,"208686","I hope we can have a good conversation here and clarify matters for the public, because we have a big and difficult job 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that at this moment changes absolutely nothing for him.",88.1,92.42,13,{"idx":185,"utterance_id":248,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":249,"start_s":250,"end_s":251,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},"208694","An innocent person who was 'justiçada' by his own enemies in a panel at the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",93.38,101.14,16,{"idx":220,"utterance_id":254,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":255,"start_s":256,"end_s":257,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},"208695","And he said plainly that if it meant that people like Débora do Batom could return to their homes, see their children, even if not with full freedom, he was willing to pay the price of having this text approved in that way.",101.62,117.48,47,{"idx":246,"utterance_id":260,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":261,"start_s":262,"end_s":263,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},"208696","And that's what we are doing, once again, so that the size of Jair Messias Bolsonaro's heart and the extent of his patriotism and humility are made public.",117.94,129.76,{"idx":265,"utterance_id":266,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":267,"start_s":268,"end_s":269,"word_count":240,"indexable":178},14,"208697","I'm sure that many watching us may not grasp the magnitude of this gesture of his.",129.78,137.96,{"idx":227,"utterance_id":271,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":272,"start_s":273,"end_s":274,"word_count":275,"indexable":178},"208698","He is there imprisoned, in a 12-square-meter room, locked up all day, with two hours of sun to go into... into a little enclosure of about 3 by 4 to take a walk, which isn't even enough to exercise, with the central air conditioning of the Federal Police building buzzing in his ear from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., and even so he is thinking of others, he is thinking of those people we know are innocent, and therefore he gave this command to us; it was what the PL (Liberal Party) bench and the bench of deputies allied in opposition to the Lula government did in yesterday's plenary in the Chamber of Deputies, so congratulations to them all, they were warriors, and obviously our fight doesn't stop there, it goes to the Senate, but I think the conditions will end up being the same, so let's take this first step, put innocent people like Débora do Batom back to having social life.",137.98,197.08,170,{"idx":252,"utterance_id":277,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":278,"start_s":279,"end_s":280,"word_count":281,"indexable":178},"208699","with their families, trying to seek some level of normality in their lives, and Bolsonaro asked that, at this moment, he himself take a back seat, once again leading by example.",197.42,207.12,31,{"idx":283,"utterance_id":284,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":285,"start_s":286,"end_s":287,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},17,"208700","Senator, as I understand it, this text therefore doesn't fully encompass what you intended, what the Bolsonaro clan wanted, but it was, in a way, a session that was carried out by the former president.",207.4,220.3,{"idx":289,"utterance_id":290,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":291,"start_s":292,"end_s":293,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},18,"208701","Senator, how was the coordination; what were the conversations with the Centrão like so that this vote could take place?",222.22,228,{"idx":240,"utterance_id":295,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":296,"start_s":297,"end_s":298,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},"208702","Did you or any representative of the Bolsonaro family take part in those conversations?",228.04,232.94,{"idx":191,"utterance_id":300,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":301,"start_s":302,"end_s":303,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},"208703","Not the latter ones, no, but the bench—our leaders—already knew what the guidance from President Bolsonaro himself was.",233.96,241.52,21,{"idx":304,"utterance_id":306,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":307,"start_s":308,"end_s":309,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},"208704","And yes, they once again showed their loyalty by believing his word, his strategy.",242.44,248.66,{"idx":233,"utterance_id":311,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":312,"start_s":313,"end_s":314,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},"208705","But, once again, it's the realization that there is no longer independence between the branches of power, because, once again, the debate was prohibited in the plenary of the Chamber of Deputies.",249.22,258.36,{"idx":26,"utterance_id":316,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":317,"start_s":318,"end_s":319,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},"208706","What did we always ask for?",258.38,259.34,{"idx":321,"utterance_id":322,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":323,"start_s":324,"end_s":325,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},24,"208707","We always asked for the bill to be scheduled, and then the wording, which would be the winning one after the entire legislative process, would be decided by the majority of deputies, as I understand it should be.",259.36,270.86,{"idx":199,"utterance_id":327,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":328,"start_s":329,"end_s":330,"word_count":331,"indexable":178},"208708","for the majority of senators to decide next what should happen the following week, perhaps the vote on this text, unless there will be a haste for it to quickly pass through the Senate's Constitution and Justice Committee and then go to the plenary.",271.38,289.86,48,{"idx":9,"utterance_id":333,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":334,"start_s":335,"end_s":336,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},"208709","But look, I've never seen in 22 years as a parliamentarian.",290.32,295.12,{"idx":177,"utterance_id":338,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":339,"start_s":340,"end_s":341,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},"208710","A parliamentarian being prohibited from making an amendment to a bill?",296.06,299.04,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":343,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":344,"start_s":345,"end_s":346,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"208711","A parliamentarian being prohibited from making a 'destaque'?",299.3,301.26,{"idx":54,"utterance_id":348,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":349,"start_s":350,"end_s":351,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},"208712","A parliamentarian being prohibited from defending his point of view and convictions from the Chamber of Deputies' plenary podium?",302.4,309.2,{"idx":206,"utterance_id":353,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":354,"start_s":355,"end_s":356,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},"208713","So, this is the reality we are facing today.",309.64,312.14,{"idx":281,"utterance_id":358,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":359,"start_s":360,"end_s":361,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},"208714","That's why my candidacy for the Presidency of 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Since the debate was shut down, it was what could be done.",352.5,358.68,{"idx":392,"utterance_id":393,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":394,"start_s":395,"end_s":396,"word_count":397,"indexable":178},37,"208720","At this moment, we fought with all our strength, but on this agenda the system won and we have to be aware that we need to look forward and count on a new parliament, with a new president of the republic, so that this agenda of justice is reestablished in our country.",358.86,377.6,54,{"idx":169,"utterance_id":399,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":400,"start_s":401,"end_s":402,"word_count":380,"indexable":178},"208721","Do you think that the movement made to approve this PL (Liberal Party) on dosimetry in the Chamber of Deputies, with the endorsement of the Centrão, is related to any maneuver to make you give up your pre-candidacy?",379.32,392.96,{"idx":404,"utterance_id":405,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":406,"start_s":407,"end_s":408,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},39,"208722","No, not at all.",392.98,393.82,{"idx":213,"utterance_id":410,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":411,"start_s":412,"end_s":413,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},"208723","Those two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other.",394.22,396.78,{"idx":415,"utterance_id":416,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":417,"start_s":418,"end_s":419,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},41,"208724","We had been asking for months for that bill to be put on the agenda, so it was scheduled in this way; Bolsonaro is being held captive.",397.42,406.48,{"idx":421,"utterance_id":422,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":423,"start_s":424,"end_s":425,"word_count":281,"indexable":178},42,"208725","They put a tiny finger in the little box, then the tip of the ear afterward, and the ransom price being paid is this; even so he will not be freed from captivity.",407,417.36,{"idx":427,"utterance_id":428,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":429,"start_s":430,"end_s":431,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},43,"208726","So, look at the level we've reached in Brazilian politics.",418.18,422.04,{"idx":433,"utterance_id":434,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":435,"start_s":436,"end_s":437,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},44,"208727","But it has absolutely nothing to do with my candidacy.",422.24,426.98,{"idx":439,"utterance_id":440,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":441,"start_s":442,"end_s":443,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},45,"208728","My candidacy was not related to the amnesty or anything.",427.08,431.32,{"idx":445,"utterance_id":446,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":447,"start_s":448,"end_s":449,"word_count":415,"indexable":178},46,"208729","What I have always said is the following, and this has become clear to everyone, I hope: the only condition for Flávio Bolsonaro not to be the presidential candidate was if the candidate were Jair Messias Bolsonaro.",431.34,444,{"idx":258,"utterance_id":451,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":452,"start_s":453,"end_s":454,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},"208730","So, since the system is imposing that my father cannot be the candidate, I will be the candidate and there is no possibility I will go back on that.",444.44,452.82,{"idx":331,"utterance_id":456,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":457,"start_s":458,"end_s":459,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},"208731","The name has been put forward and we will start debating more ideas here.",452.94,456.8,{"idx":461,"utterance_id":462,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":463,"start_s":464,"end_s":465,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},49,"208732","We will change the agenda beyond just amnesty, without forgetting it, because obviously that is something that will remain alive.",457.48,464.44,{"idx":467,"utterance_id":468,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":469,"start_s":470,"end_s":471,"word_count":404,"indexable":178},50,"208733","while it is not resolved, while the full democracy of our country is not restored, but a candidacy for the Presidency of the Republic is much more than that, and that is what I intend to demonstrate from now on.",465.3,477.36,{"idx":473,"utterance_id":474,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":475,"start_s":476,"end_s":477,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},51,"208734","I want to talk about Brazil's problems and the path we will propose to Brazilians, which is completely different from this path of darkness.",477.46,486.86,{"idx":479,"utterance_id":480,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":481,"start_s":482,"end_s":483,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},52,"208735","that Lula is taking our country down.",487.28,488.76,{"idx":485,"utterance_id":486,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":487,"start_s":488,"end_s":489,"word_count":281,"indexable":178},53,"208736","Senator, you mentioned this in the previous answer, but did your father, former president Bolsonaro, give the go-ahead for this IPL on dosimetry that was approved in the Chamber of Deputies?",489.04,499.66,{"idx":397,"utterance_id":491,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":492,"start_s":493,"end_s":494,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},"208737","Did he agree to concede?",499.82,501.22,{"idx":496,"utterance_id":497,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":498,"start_s":499,"end_s":500,"word_count":380,"indexable":178},55,"208738","Yes, he agreed once again, putting himself in second place, putting people like Débora do Batom first—people we all know were unjustly sentenced to very long terms.",501.86,515.3,{"idx":502,"utterance_id":503,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":504,"start_s":505,"end_s":506,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},56,"208739","So his reasoning was very simple.",516.06,517.62,{"idx":508,"utterance_id":509,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":510,"start_s":511,"end_s":512,"word_count":433,"indexable":178},57,"208740","Well, if the people who were out on the streets fighting for their convictions, which we all know we never expected there to be any kind of coup d'état because of what happened on January 8, because it's an impossible crime, right?",517.64,533.82,{"idx":514,"utterance_id":515,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":516,"start_s":517,"end_s":518,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},58,"208741","It's very childish for people to think that what happened on January 8 would result in Débora do Batom sitting in the chair of President of the Republic.",534.38,544.38,{"idx":218,"utterance_id":520,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":521,"start_s":522,"end_s":523,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"208742","Start giving orders and everyone obey.",544.78,546.76,{"idx":525,"utterance_id":526,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":527,"start_s":528,"end_s":529,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},60,"208743","Or for a sister, an old lady, to sit in the chair of President of the National Congress, start giving orders from there and everyone obey.",547.34,554.94,{"idx":531,"utterance_id":532,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":533,"start_s":534,"end_s":535,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},61,"208744","That was never going to happen, and it didn't.",555,558.56,{"idx":537,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},62,"208745","So we have to understand the moment Brazil is going through, make these difficult choices.",559.2,565.72,{"idx":543,"utterance_id":544,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":545,"start_s":546,"end_s":547,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},63,"208746","And President Bolsonaro made his choice to sacrifice himself once again.",566.22,571.68,{"idx":549,"utterance_id":550,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":551,"start_s":552,"end_s":553,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},64,"208747","for those people he knows are innocent.",572.12,574.74,{"idx":555,"utterance_id":556,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":557,"start_s":558,"end_s":559,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},65,"208748","Regarding your campaign next year, in your own political trajectory, do you intend to continue fighting for this broad, absolute and restricted amnesty?",575.32,586.28,{"idx":561,"utterance_id":562,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":563,"start_s":564,"end_s":565,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},66,"208749","And is that a condition for dialoguing with parties that might support you next year?",586.76,592.1,{"idx":567,"utterance_id":568,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":569,"start_s":570,"end_s":571,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},67,"208750","Look, this is an agenda that, obviously, we will continue defending.",592.86,595.82,{"idx":573,"utterance_id":574,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":575,"start_s":576,"end_s":577,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},68,"208751","As I said, it's not resolved and needs to be resolved.",596.62,600.42,{"idx":579,"utterance_id":580,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":581,"start_s":582,"end_s":583,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},69,"208752","But I am not conditioning any support on that, no.",601.12,602.98,{"idx":585,"utterance_id":586,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":587,"start_s":588,"end_s":589,"word_count":433,"indexable":178},70,"208753","Actually, what I'm thinking calmly is that there will be a Bolsonaro on the ballot in 2026, whether people like it or not, and we will let the people decide which path Brazil will follow starting in 2027.",603.72,616.84,{"idx":591,"utterance_id":592,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":593,"start_s":594,"end_s":595,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},71,"208754","So that's what I will debate from now on, and whoever wants to unite with our agendas will be very welcome, at first or at a later moment, if they prefer.",617.2,627.28,{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},72,"208755","But the fact is that I know... Which path will Brazil choose?",627.78,630.96,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},73,"208756","Brazil will choose the path of prosperity and not the path of darkness and the foretold tragedy, which is the PT government, because Lula is an expired product, a product no one believes in anymore.",631.02,642.98,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":610,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":611,"start_s":612,"end_s":613,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},74,"208757","and we are able to move forward with important agendas that will be very well communicated to the entire population, with a lot of transparency and a lot of courage.",643.48,653.78,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":496,"indexable":178},75,"208758","for example, on the public security agenda, our agenda will be to crack down on dangerous criminals in this country, with changes in legislation, with construction of prisons, and so that everyone understands in the country that the one with legitimacy to govern is the elected government, not the parallel government of organized crime, as happens today.",654.16,675.64,{"idx":621,"utterance_id":622,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":623,"start_s":624,"end_s":625,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},76,"208759","So we will calmly fight to free those millions of people who are imprisoned there today.",675.66,683.22,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":386,"indexable":178},77,"208760","living under the domination of this parallel criminal power, which has taken over neighborhoods, which are militias, which are drug traffickers, which are narco-terrorists, who use war weapons, attack the police, attempt to impose their laws.",683.6,697.5,{"idx":633,"utterance_id":634,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":635,"start_s":636,"end_s":637,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},78,"208761","So I want to speak to you, father, who lives in a place like that and is worried that your daughter might be chosen by one of those drug traffickers.",697.9,707,{"idx":378,"utterance_id":639,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":640,"start_s":641,"end_s":642,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},"208762","to be his woman, against her will, against yours, with a gun, a rifle pointed at her head—I will free you.",707.38,713.86,{"idx":644,"utterance_id":645,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":646,"start_s":647,"end_s":648,"word_count":404,"indexable":178},80,"208763","I want to speak to you who have a hot dog stand in a favela in Rio de Janeiro, that you will no longer have to pay 20, 30 reais a week to a militiaman in order to be able to work with dignity.",714.4,728.56,{"idx":650,"utterance_id":651,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":652,"start_s":653,"end_s":654,"word_count":321,"indexable":178},81,"208764","So I will fight with all my strength to free all of you, and this is the agenda that Brazil will have to choose.",728.84,734.38,{"idx":656,"utterance_id":657,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":658,"start_s":659,"end_s":660,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},82,"208765","for example, in public security.",734.72,736.02,{"idx":662,"utterance_id":663,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":664,"start_s":665,"end_s":666,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},83,"208766","Whether you want to walk with us, where we will treat criminals as criminals and consider the human rights of honest and hard-working people, or whether Brazil will continue with a president who thinks traffickers are victims of users.",736.08,751.02,{"idx":668,"utterance_id":669,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":670,"start_s":671,"end_s":672,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},84,"208767","A president who thinks it's fine for a thief to steal a cell phone to buy a beer—his own words, Lula's.",751.48,759.5,{"idx":674,"utterance_id":675,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":676,"start_s":677,"end_s":678,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},85,"208768","It's a path that will be very easy to choose, for example, in public security.",759.92,762.88,{"idx":680,"utterance_id":681,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":682,"start_s":683,"end_s":684,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},86,"208769","And let's talk",763.26,763.88,{"idx":686,"utterance_id":687,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":688,"start_s":689,"end_s":690,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},87,"208770","about the other agendas here to show you the paths we will propose and the path that is being set by the current government.",764.24,770.76,{"idx":692,"utterance_id":693,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":694,"start_s":695,"end_s":696,"word_count":240,"indexable":178},88,"208771","Senator, I will also ask questions later about this subject of your agendas, your platforms for 2026.",771,778.72,{"idx":698,"utterance_id":699,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":700,"start_s":701,"end_s":702,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},89,"208772","But still within this theme of political maneuvering, do you intend to maintain your candidacy even if the Centrão does not give you ostensible or very clear support?",778.98,790,{"idx":704,"utterance_id":705,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":706,"start_s":707,"end_s":708,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},90,"208773","Isabela, let me be clearer if I haven't been.",791.28,793.54,{"idx":710,"utterance_id":711,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":712,"start_s":713,"end_s":714,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},91,"208774","I will not withdraw my candidacy.",794.1,795.52,{"idx":716,"utterance_id":717,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":718,"start_s":719,"end_s":720,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},92,"208775","I am a pre-candidate for the Presidency of the Republic.",795.88,797.82,{"idx":722,"utterance_id":723,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":724,"start_s":725,"end_s":726,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},93,"208776","Centrist parties that want to join us will be very welcome.",798.48,801.8,{"idx":728,"utterance_id":729,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":730,"start_s":731,"end_s":732,"word_count":233,"indexable":178},94,"208777","And the sooner they join, the more they will be able to participate in building this path of prosperity that we will propose to Brazil.",802.26,810.72,{"idx":734,"utterance_id":735,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":736,"start_s":737,"end_s":738,"word_count":233,"indexable":178},95,"208778","And if they conclude that I am not the best path, not the best candidate, that's fine, it's their right.",811.26,817.92,{"idx":740,"utterance_id":741,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":742,"start_s":743,"end_s":744,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},96,"208779","Now I have a political party; I'm with the PL.",818.6,820.54,{"idx":746,"utterance_id":747,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":748,"start_s":749,"end_s":750,"word_count":746,"indexable":178},97,"208780","Here in the PL my ticket is guaranteed, I'm a candidate, President Faldemar is here giving me all his support, and he already understands that it will be a professional structure, that we will work very hard, with great dedication; I'm here full of willingness because, once again, I feel in my heart that this is a project from God — not for my life, not a vanity project, not my personal project, but a project for the country that I feel very prepared for and convinced I can deliver.",821.14,848.82,{"idx":752,"utterance_id":753,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":754,"start_s":755,"end_s":756,"word_count":445,"indexable":178},98,"208781","this path of prosperity for the Brazilian people, so that they can choose whether it is the path that Flávio Bolsonaro will propose or whether it is the path that some other centrist or center-right candidate, who may also manage to make their candidacy viable, will propose.",849.36,864.06,{"idx":758,"utterance_id":759,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":760,"start_s":761,"end_s":762,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},99,"208782","So my candidacy — not only is it viable, it is very viable; it is on the table and it is irreversible.",864.46,870.18,{"idx":764,"utterance_id":765,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":766,"start_s":767,"end_s":768,"word_count":514,"indexable":178},100,"208783","And, Senator, as you have seen specifically this posture of a certain mistrust from some leaders like Rueda, from União Brasil, Ciro Nogueira, from the PP, or even the silence of some caciques of the Centrão, like Kassab, Marcos Pereira, do you believe these figures, by 2026, can change their minds and campaign alongside you?",871.04,892.68,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":770,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":771,"start_s":772,"end_s":773,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},"208784","Look, I will work for that; I know them all, and I get along very well with all of them.",893.94,898.02,{"idx":775,"utterance_id":776,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":777,"start_s":778,"end_s":779,"word_count":579,"indexable":178},102,"208785","They know my conciliatory profile, my centered profile, that I am a political person who knows the game of power here very well — even more so after these four years we spent alongside President Jair Bolsonaro running this country — therefore someone who already knows very well what worked, what didn't work, what can be worked on, and what can be improved.",899.1,921.3,{"idx":781,"utterance_id":782,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":783,"start_s":784,"end_s":785,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},103,"208786","And the sooner they want to walk with us, I think the more they will be able to participate.",922.58,926.86,{"idx":787,"utterance_id":788,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":789,"start_s":790,"end_s":791,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},104,"208787","in structuring the path that we will propose to our country.",927.56,931.92,{"idx":793,"utterance_id":794,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":795,"start_s":796,"end_s":797,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},105,"208788","So, everything in its time.",931.96,933.06,{"idx":799,"utterance_id":800,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":801,"start_s":802,"end_s":803,"word_count":233,"indexable":178},106,"208789","I think we will have, at the end of March, beginning of April, another important window for party decisions.",933.84,941.02,{"idx":805,"utterance_id":806,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":807,"start_s":808,"end_s":809,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},107,"208790","Parties have to do the math on how regional slates in the states will look before deciding whether they will come with us or not.",941.7,950.6,{"idx":811,"utterance_id":812,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":813,"start_s":814,"end_s":815,"word_count":392,"indexable":178},108,"208791","Anyway, for me it is very clear that at some point everyone will realize that the only one who has the conditions to take down Lula, to remove Lula, to defeat Lula's slate, is Flávio Bolsonaro.",951.14,962.1,{"idx":817,"utterance_id":818,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":819,"start_s":820,"end_s":821,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},109,"208792","You met on Monday night with some caciques and then, on Tuesday, there was a second meeting in which only Ciro Nogueira, Marcos Pereira and Rueda participated.",962.48,972.02,{"idx":823,"utterance_id":824,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":825,"start_s":826,"end_s":827,"word_count":233,"indexable":178},110,"208793","Do you think there could be some kind of outside stitching, something that could undermine or perhaps harm your pre-candidacy?",972.56,980.46,{"idx":829,"utterance_id":830,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":831,"start_s":832,"end_s":833,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},111,"208794","No, zero.",981.64,982.2,{"idx":835,"utterance_id":836,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":837,"start_s":838,"end_s":839,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},112,"208795","I have always been, and always will be, very transparent.",982.62,985.38,{"idx":841,"utterance_id":842,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":843,"start_s":844,"end_s":845,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},113,"208796","With all of them — once again — I get along very well with all of 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better.",1069.62,1078.14,{"idx":931,"utterance_id":932,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":933,"start_s":934,"end_s":935,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},128,"208811","So that is something inherent to me, it is in my blood.",1078.18,1081.02,{"idx":937,"utterance_id":938,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":939,"start_s":940,"end_s":941,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},129,"208812","So because I have Bolsonaro blood, people are already able to make a judgment about which issues I defend.",1081.24,1089.42,{"idx":943,"utterance_id":944,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":945,"start_s":946,"end_s":947,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},130,"208813","And once again, the way we will do this and communicate it, everyone will come to know.",1089.94,1094.96,{"idx":949,"utterance_id":950,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":951,"start_s":952,"end_s":953,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},131,"208814","Over time, I am sure they will be quickly convinced of the 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doing.",1120.9,1122.54,{"idx":979,"utterance_id":980,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":981,"start_s":982,"end_s":983,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},136,"208819","What is Lula doing today?",1122.84,1123.68,{"idx":985,"utterance_id":986,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":987,"start_s":988,"end_s":989,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},137,"208820","He keeps creating taxes, increases the tax burden, and only thinks about emptying the taxpayer's pocket.",1123.92,1131.48,{"idx":991,"utterance_id":992,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":993,"start_s":994,"end_s":995,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},138,"208821","My project will be to continue what President Bolsonaro was doing together with Paulo Guedes.",1132.14,1136.72,{"idx":997,"utterance_id":998,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":999,"start_s":1000,"end_s":1001,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},139,"208822","An 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Família, people used to receive on average R$ 190.",1192.78,1196.32,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":1039,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1040,"start_s":1041,"end_s":1042,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},"208829","There were people who received 50 reais per month.",1197.02,1199.68,{"idx":1044,"utterance_id":1045,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1046,"start_s":1047,"end_s":1048,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},147,"208830","And what did Bolsonaro do?",1200.16,1201.1,{"idx":1050,"utterance_id":1051,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1052,"start_s":1053,"end_s":1054,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},148,"208831","He began to set a floor.",1201.58,1203.4,{"idx":1056,"utterance_id":1057,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1058,"start_s":1059,"end_s":1060,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},149,"208832","It is at least 600 reais.",1203.46,1205.14,{"idx":1062,"utterance_id":1063,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1064,"start_s":1065,"end_s":1066,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},150,"208833","So, look at the social transformation.",1205.9,1208.04,{"idx":1068,"utterance_id":1069,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1070,"start_s":1071,"end_s":1072,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},151,"208834","It was the greatest social project in the history of Brazil carried out by President Jair Bolsonaro.",1208.1,1212.24,{"idx":1074,"utterance_id":1075,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1076,"start_s":1077,"end_s":1078,"word_count":233,"indexable":178},152,"208835","He did not create Bolsa Família, but he transformed Bolsa Família into this great tool of social justice.",1212.26,1218.96,{"idx":1080,"utterance_id":1081,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1082,"start_s":1083,"end_s":1084,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},153,"208836","And we had there an exit ramp from Bolsa Família that Lula eliminated.",1219.34,1223.46,{"idx":1086,"utterance_id":1087,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1088,"start_s":1089,"end_s":1090,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},154,"208837","What did Bolsonaro do?",1224.02,1225.16,{"idx":1092,"utterance_id":1093,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1094,"start_s":1095,"end_s":1096,"word_count":404,"indexable":178},155,"208838","Look, besides the 600 reais, if you manage to get a job you will continue to receive Bolsa Família for two more years, more than what you earn from your job, and they even give you a 200 real bonus.",1225.6,1237.6,{"idx":1098,"utterance_id":1099,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1100,"start_s":1101,"end_s":1102,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},156,"208839","So there was an incentive for people to seek 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itself.",1250.38,1255.32,{"idx":1127,"utterance_id":1128,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1129,"start_s":1130,"end_s":1131,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},161,"208844","He only thinks about votes, he only thinks about enslaving these people; he takes away these people's work cards to give them a Bolsa Família card.",1255.64,1263.72,{"idx":1133,"utterance_id":1134,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1135,"start_s":1136,"end_s":1137,"word_count":380,"indexable":178},162,"208845","So this is what we — this mentality — we will change with the path we will propose so that Brazil leaves the darkness to which the PT is leading us.",1264.28,1274.08,{"idx":1139,"utterance_id":1140,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1141,"start_s":1142,"end_s":1143,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},163,"208846","Senator, you, of the former president's three sons, being the eldest, have been in politics the longest, have been in this game the longest.",1274.58,1282.74,{"idx":1145,"utterance_id":1146,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1147,"start_s":1148,"end_s":1149,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},164,"208847","In your reading of the 2026 scenario, do you think the right risks going into this next contest very fragmented?",1283.28,1293.62,{"idx":1151,"utterance_id":1152,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1153,"start_s":1154,"end_s":1155,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},165,"208848","What would you think about perhaps having to face a candidate who is also from the right, from the same political spectrum as you?",1294.64,1302.32,{"idx":1157,"utterance_id":1158,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1159,"start_s":1160,"end_s":1161,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},166,"208849","Look, my analysis is the opposite.",1302.7,1304.42,{"idx":1163,"utterance_id":1164,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1165,"start_s":1166,"end_s":1167,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},167,"208850","When the name Flávio Bolsonaro comes to the table, the first thing that happens is the full union of the right.",1305.26,1310.92,{"idx":1169,"utterance_id":1170,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1171,"start_s":1172,"end_s":1173,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},168,"208851","Not only in Brazil, but around the world.",1311.96,1313.38,{"idx":1175,"utterance_id":1176,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1177,"start_s":1178,"end_s":1179,"word_count":373,"indexable":178},169,"208852","So I am very happy to have already received gestures of support from President Milley, from Abascal in Spain, from Jason Miller in the United States, and from leaders here in South America as well.",1314.1,1327.12,{"idx":275,"utterance_id":1181,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1182,"start_s":1183,"end_s":1184,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},"208853","So now that there is this consolidation of a name that will be the one endorsed by President Bolsonaro, who is the person who symbolizes the right throughout Brazil.",1327.24,1342.04,{"idx":1186,"utterance_id":1187,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1188,"start_s":1189,"end_s":1190,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},171,"208854","He brought the right out of the closet.",1342.1,1343.98,{"idx":1192,"utterance_id":1193,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1194,"start_s":1195,"end_s":1196,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},172,"208855","People were ashamed to say they were right-wing.",1344,1347.02,{"idx":1198,"utterance_id":1199,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1200,"start_s":1201,"end_s":1202,"word_count":439,"indexable":178},173,"208856","And today we defend these agendas with great conviction: against abortion, against drugs, in favor of... prosperity, of people depending less and less on the State, in favor of the free market, in favor of legal certainty to attract investments and generate jobs.",1347.46,1363.78,{"idx":1204,"utterance_id":1205,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1206,"start_s":1207,"end_s":1208,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},174,"208857","So we have here — we set the example.",1364.2,1366.36,{"idx":1210,"utterance_id":1211,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1212,"start_s":1213,"end_s":1214,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},175,"208858","With that, President Bolsonaro ended his government in 2022 with one trillion reais contracted.",1366.4,1374.02,{"idx":1216,"utterance_id":1217,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1218,"start_s":1219,"end_s":1220,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},176,"208859","With the private sector, to put money here, to build roads, to construct ports, airports, and to invest in basic sanitation.",1374.36,1380.96,{"idx":1222,"utterance_id":1223,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1224,"start_s":1225,"end_s":1226,"word_count":404,"indexable":178},177,"208860","This is Bolsonaro's government, which 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obviously that too — but mainly because I live here.",1403.94,1411.02,{"idx":1246,"utterance_id":1247,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1248,"start_s":1249,"end_s":1250,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},181,"208864","I have two young daughters, one 13 and one 11.",1412,1415.86,{"idx":1252,"utterance_id":1253,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1254,"start_s":1255,"end_s":1256,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},182,"208865","I am concerned about what their future will be like.",1417.44,1419.36,{"idx":1258,"utterance_id":1259,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1260,"start_s":1261,"end_s":1262,"word_count":427,"indexable":178},183,"208866","Soon they'll be leaving home; that phase begins where every father worries: finding a boyfriend, starting to flirt, starting to decide what to do with their life, what to work in, which profession to 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causing.",1446.02,1453.74,{"idx":1282,"utterance_id":1283,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1284,"start_s":1285,"end_s":1286,"word_count":281,"indexable":178},187,"208870","So, like this, for the first time now, I don't remember the last time we saw the number of openings offered by entrepreneurs in the labor market decrease.",1454.14,1464.62,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1288,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1289,"start_s":1290,"end_s":1291,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},"208871","What does that mean?",1465.3,1466.2,{"idx":1293,"utterance_id":1294,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1295,"start_s":1296,"end_s":1297,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},189,"208872","Look, people no longer have either the energy or the security.",1466.28,1470.42,{"idx":1299,"utterance_id":1300,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1301,"start_s":1302,"end_s":1303,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},190,"208873","to reinvest the money from their profits here in Brazil, to grow their companies.",1471.06,1475.64,{"idx":1305,"utterance_id":1306,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1307,"start_s":1308,"end_s":1309,"word_count":485,"indexable":178},191,"208874","So there is a generalized panic that the Lula government is causing, that if someone doesn't stand in front of it, like a wall, saying, look, enough, I won't accept this anymore, I will fight for my country, I won't give up, I won't stand idly by, I will leave my comfort zone.",1475.92,1490.26,{"idx":1311,"utterance_id":1312,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1313,"start_s":1314,"end_s":1315,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},192,"208875","So that's what is motivating me, it is not a personal project.",1490.82,1493.08,{"idx":1317,"utterance_id":1318,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1319,"start_s":1320,"end_s":1321,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},193,"208876","If I had a personal project, I would be a candidate for re-election to the Senate in Rio de Janeiro.",1493.52,1498.4,{"idx":1323,"utterance_id":1324,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1325,"start_s":1326,"end_s":1327,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},194,"208877","the polls there are showing that I have a great chance of being re-elected as senator of the Republic, but I think this is the moment to put myself forward here even as an example.",1498.84,1507.66,{"idx":1329,"utterance_id":1330,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1331,"start_s":1332,"end_s":1333,"word_count":496,"indexable":178},195,"208878","Look, as a person who, for the political class, let's put it that way, for the average in politics, I am a young person, but on the other hand I also have 22 years of public life experience, together with the four years accompanying President Bolsonaro here, participating closely in many important decisions that were made.",1507.74,1525.74,{"idx":1335,"utterance_id":1336,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1337,"start_s":1338,"end_s":1339,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},196,"208879","I know the path.",1526,1527.02,{"idx":1341,"utterance_id":1342,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1343,"start_s":1344,"end_s":1345,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},197,"208880","that Brazil has to follow.",1527.46,1528.36,{"idx":1347,"utterance_id":1348,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1349,"start_s":1350,"end_s":1351,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},198,"208881","I can see that Brazil is going to get screwed, that Brazil is going to be heading to jump off a cliff without a parachute with Lula.",1528.66,1534.46,{"idx":1353,"utterance_id":1354,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1355,"start_s":1356,"end_s":1357,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},199,"208882","So I decided, after President Bolsonaro's choice, to accept this mission and put my face on the line to offer Brazil this project of prosperity.",1535.02,1544.68,{"idx":1359,"utterance_id":1360,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1361,"start_s":1362,"end_s":1363,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},200,"208883","So this is what I will dedicate myself to doing.",1544.82,1546.78,{"idx":1365,"utterance_id":1366,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1367,"start_s":1368,"end_s":1369,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},201,"208884","Once again, I am very convinced, with great certainty of the correctness of the choice that we... made, at the right time, when it was needed.",1547.24,1557.46,{"idx":1371,"utterance_id":1372,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1373,"start_s":1374,"end_s":1375,"word_count":537,"indexable":178},202,"208885","also, this applied a corrective shake-up to everything on the center-right that was stumbling around, our activists got excited again, they came back to us, I think, they're back in the public debate, defending what they believe in, so now hope comes for Brazil to get out of this stagnation, to get out of this captivity it finds itself in today.",1557.52,1577.6,{"idx":1377,"utterance_id":1378,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1379,"start_s":1380,"end_s":1381,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},203,"208886","So, I am very happy.",1577.68,1578.72,{"idx":1383,"utterance_id":1384,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1385,"start_s":1386,"end_s":1387,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},204,"208887","with what I am doing here today, with what I represent and also very aware of my responsibility.",1579.4,1583.62,{"idx":1389,"utterance_id":1390,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1391,"start_s":1392,"end_s":1393,"word_count":603,"indexable":178},205,"208888","That's why it is up to me, I am the one who now has the work of convincing the parties to walk with me and I am very sure that I will succeed in this objective and whoever wants to walk with me will be very welcome, whoever doesn't want to walk with me from now on I will understand as well, but I have no doubt that we will be united against Lula or against any project.",1583.66,1605.32,{"idx":1395,"utterance_id":1396,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1397,"start_s":1398,"end_s":1399,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},206,"208889","that is doomed to failure that the left may propose for Brazil in 2026.",1605.38,1610.46,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1401,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1402,"start_s":1403,"end_s":1404,"word_count":281,"indexable":178},"208890","Senator, I believe that two banners that are already very clear to everyone who knows you and has followed your interviews are the question of amnesty and the public security agenda.",1611.08,1621.94,{"idx":1406,"utterance_id":1407,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1408,"start_s":1409,"end_s":1410,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},208,"208891","But thinking, if the presidential campaign were today, what would be, aside from these two themes that I think are already quite clear, what would be your three main banners?",1623.02,1633.84,{"idx":1412,"utterance_id":1413,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1414,"start_s":1415,"end_s":1416,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},209,"208892","I think that besides this question of the economy, it is fundamental, once again, because Brazil is at a moment when everyone can see the country is going insolvent.",1634.76,1645.62,{"idx":1418,"utterance_id":1419,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1420,"start_s":1421,"end_s":1422,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},210,"208893","President Bolsonaro took office in 2019 with a debt-to-GDP ratio of 75%.",1646.12,1652.3,{"idx":1424,"utterance_id":1425,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1426,"start_s":1427,"end_s":1428,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},211,"208894","Even with the pandemic, he left it with that proportion falling to 71%.",1653.12,1658.36,{"idx":56,"utterance_id":1430,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1431,"start_s":1432,"end_s":1433,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},"208895","Now Lula has pushed it up again to 80%.",1659,1660.92,{"idx":1435,"utterance_id":1436,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1437,"start_s":1438,"end_s":1439,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},213,"208896","The expectation is that it will reach 85% by the end of his government.",1661.92,1664.66,{"idx":1441,"utterance_id":1442,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1443,"start_s":1444,"end_s":1445,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},214,"208897","That debt-to-GDP ratio is madness.",1664.82,1666.5,{"idx":1447,"utterance_id":1448,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1449,"start_s":1450,"end_s":1451,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},215,"208898","Brazil has nowhere else to get money from.",1666.52,1668.04,{"idx":1453,"utterance_id":1454,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1455,"start_s":1456,"end_s":1457,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},216,"208899","And we have to invent something.",1668.84,1670.36,{"idx":1459,"utterance_id":1460,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1461,"start_s":1462,"end_s":1463,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},217,"208900","Not invent, actually.",1670.38,1671.44,{"idx":1465,"utterance_id":1466,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1467,"start_s":1468,"end_s":1469,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},218,"208901","We have to study what stands on its feet to put a cap on this growth of that expectation.",1671.46,1678.66,{"idx":1471,"utterance_id":1472,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1473,"start_s":1474,"end_s":1475,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},219,"208902","of the debt-to-GDP remaining so high.",1679.28,1680.92,{"idx":1477,"utterance_id":1478,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1479,"start_s":1480,"end_s":1481,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},220,"208903","And why do I say this?",1680.94,1681.68,{"idx":1483,"utterance_id":1484,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1485,"start_s":1486,"end_s":1487,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},221,"208904","Because this is what hinders.",1681.72,1682.8,{"idx":1489,"utterance_id":1490,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1491,"start_s":1492,"end_s":1493,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},222,"208905","Brazil will not have conditions for investment.",1682.82,1684.64,{"idx":1495,"utterance_id":1496,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1497,"start_s":1498,"end_s":1499,"word_count":537,"indexable":178},223,"208906","Brazil, more than ever, will need to create legal certainty in the country to attract these entrepreneurs, so that they can put the money here, have the certainty that they will get their profits in a predictable way and the population can dream again of having a job that pays well, so they can free themselves from Bolsa Família.",1685.22,1704.46,{"idx":1501,"utterance_id":1502,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1503,"start_s":1504,"end_s":1505,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},224,"208907","So, on the economy issue, I will choose a team here.",1704.78,1707.8,{"idx":1507,"utterance_id":1508,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1509,"start_s":1510,"end_s":1511,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},225,"208908","that is highly technical and that has full autonomy to do what needs to be done to save Brazil from this announced tragedy that will happen with respect to the PT.",1708.58,1719.78,{"idx":1513,"utterance_id":1514,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1515,"start_s":1516,"end_s":1517,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},226,"208909","Another agenda, besides security and the economy, that I will want to focus on a lot, without a doubt, is the education agenda, because that is linked to the issue of public security.",1720.32,1728.5,{"idx":1519,"utterance_id":1520,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1521,"start_s":1522,"end_s":1523,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},227,"208910","Today, our kids, the children, especially the teenagers, have no expectations for the future.",1729.14,1736.5,{"idx":293,"utterance_id":1525,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1526,"start_s":1527,"end_s":1528,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},"208911","They are studying and hopeless, thinking they won't get a place in the job market.",1737.06,1742.96,{"idx":1530,"utterance_id":1531,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1532,"start_s":1533,"end_s":1534,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},229,"208912","So, what will be our mission here?",1742.98,1744.46,{"idx":1536,"utterance_id":1537,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1538,"start_s":1539,"end_s":1540,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},230,"208913","To take the focus of education and concentrate it almost entirely on basic education, on elementary education, so that these kids can really learn math, Portuguese, science, technology.",1745.24,1757.2,{"idx":1542,"utterance_id":1543,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1544,"start_s":1545,"end_s":1546,"word_count":421,"indexable":178},231,"208914","And thus, I will take these kids by the hand and will lead them through high school until they... manage to create their own company, until they manage to have a formal signed work contract so they have their independence, because they will be prosperous.",1757.88,1770.62,{"idx":1548,"utterance_id":1549,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1550,"start_s":1551,"end_s":1552,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},232,"208915","So, this mindset that we need to instill in these kids, because today they have no expectations whatsoever.",1771.22,1777.2,{"idx":1554,"utterance_id":1555,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1556,"start_s":1557,"end_s":1558,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},233,"208916","And how do we do that?",1777.64,1778.44,{"idx":1560,"utterance_id":1561,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1562,"start_s":1563,"end_s":1564,"word_count":321,"indexable":178},234,"208917","There is a ton of money in education, but today the money is used to fund pieces in which a child climbs onto a stage, an adult naked.",1778.46,1786.1,{"idx":1566,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},235,"208918","And they keep touching the adult.",1787.04,1788.42,{"idx":1572,"utterance_id":1573,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1574,"start_s":1575,"end_s":1576,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},236,"208919","It's money from education, culture, science and technology, from the universities.",1788.7,1792.66,{"idx":1578,"utterance_id":1579,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1580,"start_s":1581,"end_s":1582,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},237,"208920","That's where it's going nowadays.",1792.96,1794.12,{"idx":1584,"utterance_id":1585,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1586,"start_s":1587,"end_s":1588,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},238,"208921","It is being paid to finance the little circle there, one sticking a finger into another's behind on stage.",1794.72,1799.86,{"idx":1590,"utterance_id":1591,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1592,"start_s":1593,"end_s":1594,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},239,"208922","This is a humiliation for Brazil.",1799.92,1801.76,{"idx":17,"utterance_id":1596,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1597,"start_s":1598,"end_s":1599,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},"208923","Whoever isn't outraged by something like this has already lost their reason to live.",1802.18,1805.94,{"idx":1601,"utterance_id":1602,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1603,"start_s":1604,"end_s":1605,"word_count":404,"indexable":178},241,"208924","So I want to take those resources that are spent like this today, to form militancy, to keep paying little cronies in unions and NGOs, and put them so the kids can have laboratories, can have a planetarium, exhibitions in the classroom.",1806.68,1819.36,{"idx":1607,"utterance_id":1608,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1609,"start_s":1610,"end_s":1611,"word_count":445,"indexable":178},242,"208925","Because these kids have to dream of being a Raíssa Leal, they have to dream of being a Daiane dos Santos, they have to dream of being an astronaut Marcos Pontes, they shouldn't have to dream of being the owner of the drug corner in the favela where they live.",1819.7,1832.34,{"idx":1613,"utterance_id":1614,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1615,"start_s":1616,"end_s":1617,"word_count":386,"indexable":178},243,"208926","So all of this together... I think these will be the pillars I will want to propose, obviously with much more detail, with what is clear and stands on its own feet, the cost of all this.",1833,1846.78,{"idx":1619,"utterance_id":1620,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1621,"start_s":1622,"end_s":1623,"word_count":502,"indexable":178},244,"208927","And now, over time, I will begin to build this with technical people who are willing to come to this project, because they are also feeling the same indignation and do not want to stand idly by watching Brazil go to the grave, as is happening with Lula.",1847.06,1861.8,{"idx":1625,"utterance_id":1626,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1627,"start_s":1628,"end_s":1629,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},245,"208928","Senator, what did you think of Governor Tarcísio de Freitas having mentioned the names of other possible candidates when he was asked about his pre-candidacy?",1862.22,1874.2,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":1631,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1632,"start_s":1633,"end_s":1634,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},"208929","I think he is a person who is making the correct analysis.",1875.56,1877.42,{"idx":1636,"utterance_id":1637,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1638,"start_s":1639,"end_s":1640,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},247,"208930","They are good names that are being put forward here from the center-right field.",1878.18,1883.66,{"idx":1642,"utterance_id":1643,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1644,"start_s":1645,"end_s":1646,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},248,"208931","They are people I respect greatly, whom I am convinced sooner or later we will walk together with.",1884.16,1889.7,{"idx":1648,"utterance_id":1649,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1650,"start_s":1651,"end_s":1652,"word_count":579,"indexable":178},249,"208932","And Governor Tarcísio is a fundamental piece in our project to rescue Brazil, because he is the governor of the largest state in the country in terms of budget and population, and he is doing a brilliant job, and I have no doubt he will be the main platform, any presidential candidate would dream of having a Tarcísio as a platform in the state of São Paulo.",1890.06,1913.7,{"idx":1654,"utterance_id":1655,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1656,"start_s":1657,"end_s":1658,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},250,"208933","And I am sure that I will have that with him; Tarcísio is a person who is a product of Bolsonaro.",1914.04,1918.98,{"idx":1660,"utterance_id":1661,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1662,"start_s":1663,"end_s":1664,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},251,"208934","We have to remember that he is a carioca and a Flamengo fan, and President Bolsonaro insisted that he had the profile to be governor of São Paulo.",1919.36,1927.06,{"idx":1666,"utterance_id":1667,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1668,"start_s":1669,"end_s":1670,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},252,"208935","Tarcísio accepts the mission as a gesture of loyalty to President Bolsonaro.",1927.44,1931.6,{"idx":1672,"utterance_id":1673,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1674,"start_s":1675,"end_s":1676,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},253,"208936","He is doing a brilliant job and we will walk together, despite all the strength that many try to use to separate us.",1932.2,1938.12,{"idx":1678,"utterance_id":1679,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1680,"start_s":1681,"end_s":1682,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},254,"208937","I have always respected Tarcísio a lot, I continue to respect him, I am a fan of Tarcísio.",1938.56,1942.66,{"idx":1684,"utterance_id":1685,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1686,"start_s":1687,"end_s":1688,"word_count":240,"indexable":178},255,"208938","He still has a lot to contribute to our country and, at this moment, to the State of São Paulo.",1943,1948.02,{"idx":1690,"utterance_id":1691,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1692,"start_s":1693,"end_s":1694,"word_count":514,"indexable":178},256,"208939","that he has so much to deliver in the government of São Paulo, that I am sure that also weighs on his decision to understand this scenario, to not want, in short, to put his name forward to contest anything in relation to me, to understand that he has this role at this important moment in the government of São Paulo.",1948.54,1967.02,{"idx":1696,"utterance_id":1697,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1698,"start_s":1699,"end_s":1700,"word_count":321,"indexable":178},257,"208940","Because he is doing such a brilliant job in infrastructure, in sanitation, in social issues, there with Cris, who is the first lady of the government.",1967.82,1974.1,{"idx":1702,"utterance_id":1703,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1704,"start_s":1705,"end_s":1706,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},258,"208941","And he will deliver all of this and the population recognizes it.",1974.72,1977.66,{"idx":1708,"utterance_id":1709,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1710,"start_s":1711,"end_s":1712,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},259,"208942","And I want, as President of the Republic, if that is the will of the population, to help him further enhance everything that is working well in São Paulo.",1977.98,1985.52,{"idx":1714,"utterance_id":1715,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1716,"start_s":1717,"end_s":1718,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},260,"208943","Today, the current president does do that, despite performing that mise-en-scène, that little theater, where he uses Union resources to help governors who are not.",1986.06,1996.7,{"idx":1720,"utterance_id":1721,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1722,"start_s":1723,"end_s":1724,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},261,"208944","Senator, in your previous answer you said it would be the dream of any presidential hopeful to have Tarcísio by their side, on the platform, or campaigning.",2006.04,2014.96,{"idx":1726,"utterance_id":1727,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1728,"start_s":1729,"end_s":1730,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},262,"208945","Do you include yourself in that calculation and would you eventually form a ticket with Tarcísio in 2026?",2015.98,2021.2,{"idx":1732,"utterance_id":1733,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1734,"start_s":1735,"end_s":1736,"word_count":662,"indexable":178},263,"208946","Look, in theory, that would be a dream ticket, but in practice I think it would be a great waste, because Governor Tarcísio is a person who is extremely well rated for his competence, for his work, in the largest electorate which is São Paulo, and I have no doubt that, if we look at the whole forest and not just the tree, we... We had in 2022 an advantage, Bolsonaro beat Lula in São Paulo by a 5 percentage point margin.",2022.7,2055.48,{"idx":1738,"utterance_id":1739,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1740,"start_s":1741,"end_s":1742,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},264,"208947","And I have no doubt that Tarcísio running for re-election as governor of São Paulo,",2056.4,2060.76,{"idx":1744,"utterance_id":1745,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1746,"start_s":1747,"end_s":1748,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},265,"208948","and the two of us together, helping each other.",2061.38,2064.48,{"idx":1750,"utterance_id":1751,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1752,"start_s":1753,"end_s":1754,"word_count":281,"indexable":178},266,"208949","We can, we have everything to increase that margin against the PT already in the state of São Paulo and that will impact the final result of the elections across Brazil.",2064.82,2074.48,{"idx":1756,"utterance_id":1757,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1758,"start_s":1759,"end_s":1760,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},267,"208950","Lula is melting down.",2075.06,2076.22,{"idx":1762,"utterance_id":1763,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1764,"start_s":1765,"end_s":1766,"word_count":473,"indexable":178},268,"208951","in the Northeast, because people have already seen through it, they no longer fall for Lula's lies, because they are people who have been governed there for 20 years by the PT, by the left, believing false promises, and people only became poorer, people only saw violence increase at their doorstep.",2076.52,2095.38,{"idx":1768,"utterance_id":1769,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1770,"start_s":1771,"end_s":1772,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},269,"208952","I see many people saying, ah, everything I have I owe to Paim, I owe to Lula.",2095.92,2100,{"idx":1774,"utterance_id":1775,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1776,"start_s":1777,"end_s":1778,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},270,"208953","Man, you will see, the person lives in a stilt house.",2100.48,2102.86,{"idx":1780,"utterance_id":1781,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1782,"start_s":1783,"end_s":1784,"word_count":54,"indexable":178},271,"208954","There is a ditch running in front of your house, where your daughter plays, where your daughter gets sick, there is no basic sanitation, there is no security.",2103.32,2112.48,{"idx":1786,"utterance_id":1787,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1788,"start_s":1789,"end_s":1790,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},272,"208955","This person goes to work and has no one to leave her daughter with.",2112.9,2115.16,{"idx":1792,"utterance_id":1793,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1794,"start_s":1795,"end_s":1796,"word_count":404,"indexable":178},273,"208956","She is robbed on the bus or on the train on the way to work, they steal her bag, they steal her phones, and if they don't steal her dignity with a sexual crime against her, they may take her life.",2115.86,2127.56,{"idx":1798,"utterance_id":1799,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1800,"start_s":1801,"end_s":1802,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},274,"208957","This is the reality that the PT is bringing to Brazil.",2128.1,2130.34,{"idx":1804,"utterance_id":1805,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1806,"start_s":1807,"end_s":1808,"word_count":378,"indexable":178},275,"208958","So, people in the Northeast, this is replicated in Rio de Janeiro, when you go to the Baixada Fluminense, where there are places that face as many difficulties as in the Northeast, this is all over Brazil, you go to Queimados there, it is a place where people are very needy, who need to be embraced, need to have security, need to have dignity, need to have some hope so that their children can work at something when they grow up, can create their own company.",2130.88,2156.74,{"idx":1810,"utterance_id":1811,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1812,"start_s":1813,"end_s":1814,"word_count":258,"indexable":178},276,"208959","So, the mindset we want to convey to the Brazilian people is that we can be victorious, we can win, you only need to flip a switch in your head and understand that it is the government's duty to give you a Bolsa Família because you need it.",2157.24,2172.12,{"idx":1816,"utterance_id":1817,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1818,"start_s":1819,"end_s":1820,"word_count":502,"indexable":178},277,"208960","Now, it is also the government's duty to build a scenario where you can stop depending on it, as President Bolsonaro did, where you can find a job that pays you better, where you can... create conditions for that person to have her own company, where she can be her own boss.",2172.76,2193.18,{"idx":1822,"utterance_id":1823,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1824,"start_s":1825,"end_s":1826,"word_count":240,"indexable":178},278,"208961","And that is the path to the right that we will propose for Brazil.",2193.7,2199.06,{"idx":1828,"utterance_id":1829,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1830,"start_s":1831,"end_s":1832,"word_count":698,"indexable":178},279,"208962","So the people of the Northeast who still give some support to Lula today have to stop believing in illusion, because what Lula brought in 20 years, not only him, but the leftist governors who govern much of the North and the Northeast, what they brought to you who live there was misery, was poverty, was dependence on politicians, was having to beg the mayor to give you a Bolsa Família, conditioning you to give you the money if you vote for him.",2199.36,2229.22,{"idx":1834,"utterance_id":1835,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1836,"start_s":1837,"end_s":1838,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},280,"208963","I want to free you.",2229.5,2230.4,{"idx":1840,"utterance_id":1841,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1842,"start_s":1843,"end_s":1844,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},281,"208964","You will have this opportunity.",2231.16,2232.24,{"idx":1846,"utterance_id":1847,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1848,"start_s":1849,"end_s":1850,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},282,"208965","Do you want to come with us or do you want to continue being a slave of politicians?",2232.26,2235.52,{"idx":1852,"utterance_id":1853,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1854,"start_s":1855,"end_s":1856,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},283,"208966","I want to emancipate you.",2235.98,2237.02,{"idx":1858,"utterance_id":1859,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1860,"start_s":1861,"end_s":1862,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},284,"208967","I want to give you prosperity.",2237.52,2238.84,{"idx":1864,"utterance_id":1865,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1866,"start_s":1867,"end_s":1868,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},285,"208968","I want to give you opportunity.",2239.2,2240.46,{"idx":1870,"utterance_id":1871,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1872,"start_s":1873,"end_s":1874,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},286,"208969","I want to give you security.",2240.74,2242.04,{"idx":1876,"utterance_id":1877,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1878,"start_s":1879,"end_s":1880,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},287,"208970","You will have this alternative.",2243.2,2244.48,{"idx":1882,"utterance_id":1883,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1884,"start_s":1885,"end_s":1886,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},288,"208971","Now, if you don't want it, that's fine.",2244.8,2245.9,{"idx":1888,"utterance_id":1889,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1890,"start_s":1891,"end_s":1892,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},289,"208972","You vote for this announced tragedy that is Lula and life goes on.",2245.96,2250.54,{"idx":1894,"utterance_id":1895,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1896,"start_s":1897,"end_s":1898,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},290,"208973","Because here I'm not worried about the name, once again.",2250.58,2252.84,{"idx":1900,"utterance_id":1901,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1902,"start_s":1903,"end_s":1904,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},291,"208974","This will not be an election of Lula against Bolsonaro.",2253.26,2255.78,{"idx":1906,"utterance_id":1907,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1908,"start_s":1909,"end_s":1910,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},292,"208975","This will be an election of the path to prosperity versus the path to tragedy.",2256.2,2260.72,{"idx":1912,"utterance_id":1913,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1914,"start_s":1915,"end_s":1916,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},293,"208976","Senator, how has the Bolsonaro family's relationship with Governor Tarcísio been in recent times?",2262.6,2268.82,{"idx":1918,"utterance_id":1919,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1920,"start_s":1921,"end_s":1922,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},294,"208977","Has he been calling you, asking how the former president is, offering help during this moment you're going through?",2269.24,2277.08,{"idx":1924,"utterance_id":1925,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1926,"start_s":1927,"end_s":1928,"word_count":421,"indexable":178},295,"208978","Look, I have such a good relationship with Tarcísio that I watched the Libertadores final at his house in the Palácio Bandeirantes. I, as a Vasco supporter whose team was being relegated, brought him a lot of luck, because Flamengo won the Libertadores — I was there.",2278.26,2289.08,{"idx":1930,"utterance_id":1931,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1932,"start_s":1933,"end_s":1934,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},296,"208979","Together with Tarcisão and his family, they were celebrating, and I was happy there too, because it was Brazil winning an international competition.",2289.7,2296.48,{"idx":1936,"utterance_id":1937,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1938,"start_s":1939,"end_s":1940,"word_count":555,"indexable":178},297,"208980","So, my relationship with him has always been wonderful and will continue to be, despite all the efforts many people make to create some friction between us. Look, to pick a fight with me you have to put in a lot of effort, and Tarcísio has the wisdom to know who the people are approaching him at this moment who will whisper nonsense in his ear to sell.",2296.96,2318.2,{"idx":1942,"utterance_id":1943,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1944,"start_s":1945,"end_s":1946,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},298,"208981","Something that is false, that doesn't exist.",2318.96,2321.78,{"idx":1948,"utterance_id":1949,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1950,"start_s":1951,"end_s":1952,"word_count":386,"indexable":178},299,"208982","And Tarcísio has enough intelligence, the political capacity he has today to see that this is the ideal project for us to take Lula's tragedy off the table in the 2026 elections.",2322.1,2336.06,{"idx":1954,"utterance_id":1955,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1956,"start_s":1957,"end_s":1958,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},300,"208983","It's over.",2336.1,2336.76,{"idx":1960,"utterance_id":1961,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1962,"start_s":1963,"end_s":1964,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},301,"208984","Flávio Bolsonaro together with Tarcísio — no one will stand a chance.",2337.4,2339.88,{"idx":1966,"utterance_id":1967,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1968,"start_s":1969,"end_s":1970,"word_count":233,"indexable":178},302,"208985","This is already the first V0, it's our launch in this race we're going to have to save Brazil.",2340.38,2346.38,{"idx":1972,"utterance_id":1973,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1974,"start_s":1975,"end_s":1976,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},303,"208986","I'm counting a lot on him, I'm sure he counts a lot on me too.",2346.48,2350.06,{"idx":1978,"utterance_id":1979,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1980,"start_s":1981,"end_s":1982,"word_count":373,"indexable":178},304,"208987","Senator, in this process of former president Bolsonaro deciding to pass the baton to you, did he ever consider nominating someone who was not from the Bolsonaro family?",2350.68,2361.82,{"idx":1984,"utterance_id":1985,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1986,"start_s":1987,"end_s":1988,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},305,"208988","Look, at various moments he would sit thinking, reflecting.",2362.22,2365,{"idx":1990,"utterance_id":1991,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1992,"start_s":1993,"end_s":1994,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},306,"208989","He, at least as far as I know, I believe he had me in mind.",2366.26,2369.02,{"idx":1996,"utterance_id":1997,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":1998,"start_s":1999,"end_s":2000,"word_count":386,"indexable":178},307,"208990","He already considered, like, a Tarcísio ticket with Michele as Vice, how we fit Ratinho into that situation, what Zema's importance is, how we talk to Caiado.",2369.54,2378.62,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":2002,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2003,"start_s":2004,"end_s":2005,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},"208991","So he always reflected a lot about this.",2379,2380.74,{"idx":2007,"utterance_id":2008,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2009,"start_s":2010,"end_s":2011,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},309,"208992","Now, regarding choosing my name, it was something he had been talking with me about for some time.",2381.14,2386.64,{"idx":2013,"utterance_id":2014,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2015,"start_s":2016,"end_s":2017,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},310,"208993","And once again, on Tuesday, the penultimate time I was with him, it had already been the fourth time he had told me that.",2387.22,2394.7,{"idx":2019,"utterance_id":2020,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2021,"start_s":2022,"end_s":2023,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},311,"208994","Not only spoken, he had already asked me, 'look, are you prepared?'\",",2394.72,2397.98,{"idx":2025,"utterance_id":2026,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2027,"start_s":2028,"end_s":2029,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},312,"208995","Let's go.",2398.12,2398.82,{"idx":2031,"utterance_id":2032,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2033,"start_s":2034,"end_s":2035,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},313,"208996","I can make this decision.",2399.36,2400.5,{"idx":2037,"utterance_id":2038,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2039,"start_s":2040,"end_s":2041,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},314,"208997","And that's what happened on the penultimate Tuesday I was with him.",2400.96,2406.56,{"idx":2043,"utterance_id":2044,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2045,"start_s":2046,"end_s":2047,"word_count":433,"indexable":178},315,"208998","And so, I seek a lot, Isabela, I've been seeking a lot, actually for quite some time now, to understand that, besides this contest of programs, ideas and such, debate, politics, this is also a spiritual war.",2407.16,2422.42,{"idx":2049,"utterance_id":2050,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2051,"start_s":2052,"end_s":2053,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},316,"208999","I see it that way.",2422.48,2423.6,{"idx":22,"utterance_id":2055,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2056,"start_s":2057,"end_s":2058,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},"209000","So I heavily seek spiritual protection.",2424.3,2426.6,{"idx":2060,"utterance_id":2061,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2062,"start_s":2063,"end_s":2064,"word_count":573,"indexable":178},318,"209001","From God, because I know the other side moves bad things, and before I go talk with my father, I do a mentoring with this, and I had prayed asking God that whatever came out of Jair Bolsonaro's mouth, my father's, in that visit I made to him, what he said at that moment would be what we would take as a definitive decision.",2427.7,2450.94,{"idx":2066,"utterance_id":2067,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2068,"start_s":2069,"end_s":2070,"word_count":502,"indexable":178},319,"209002","So I... went to visit him, I brought a letter from Eduardo Bolsonaro for him to read, he read it; it dealt with some points, including this one, regarding the decision that needed to be made, and then it was when he said in so many words, he said, 'man, the name has to be you and it has to be now, shall we go?'\",",2451.96,2470.72,{"idx":2072,"utterance_id":2073,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2074,"start_s":2075,"end_s":2076,"word_count":585,"indexable":178},320,"209003","I said, 'go ahead, yes sir, let's go, I'm prepared, I know what I have to do, I know my mission, I know my responsibility,' and from that moment it is up to me to seek the right people to walk with me at this moment, to distance myself from people who shouldn't be close to me, and always asking God for wisdom to give me that discernment.",2471.18,2497.26,{"idx":2078,"utterance_id":2079,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2080,"start_s":2081,"end_s":2082,"word_count":461,"indexable":178},321,"209004","So I've also learned from this work I've been doing, of seeking spiritual strength, that when God is speaking to you a certain peace comes to the heart; the Bible says that when God is speaking to you, you feel a peace that surpasses understanding.",2497.82,2516.76,{"idx":2084,"utterance_id":2085,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2086,"start_s":2087,"end_s":2088,"word_count":392,"indexable":178},322,"209005","And what I felt, when my father said that, was beyond that peace that surpasses understanding; I felt euphoria, joy, certainty, conviction — that it was what had to be done at that moment.",2517.48,2526.8,{"idx":2090,"utterance_id":2091,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2092,"start_s":2093,"end_s":2094,"word_count":485,"indexable":178},323,"209006","So, I'm very convinced, which is why I tell you that, beyond everything we've already discussed, this is a candidacy that's been put forward, there's no turning back, and now it's time for us to face reality, study the best scenarios, make the partnerships we have to make.",2527.28,2544.12,{"idx":2096,"utterance_id":2097,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2098,"start_s":2099,"end_s":2100,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},324,"209007","I've already started talking with leaders in some states so we can make the decisions.",2544.7,2549.18,{"idx":2102,"utterance_id":2103,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2104,"start_s":2105,"end_s":2106,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},325,"209008","And with Tarcísio, I think it's very well underway.",2549.86,2554.28,{"idx":2108,"utterance_id":2109,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2110,"start_s":2111,"end_s":2112,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},326,"209009","We just need to have more conversations there, be even closer than we already were.",2554.36,2557.9,{"idx":2114,"utterance_id":2115,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2116,"start_s":2117,"end_s":2118,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},327,"209010","As I said, a few days ago I was at his house, watching the Libertadores final, in which Flamengo became champion.",2557.92,2563.76,{"idx":2120,"utterance_id":2121,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2122,"start_s":2123,"end_s":2124,"word_count":427,"indexable":178},328,"209011","A person who... who one likes... we only open our home to someone we like, to someone we enjoy being near, talking to, living with; otherwise he would never have opened the doors of his house.",2564.62,2576.52,{"idx":2126,"utterance_id":2127,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2128,"start_s":2129,"end_s":2130,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},329,"209012","For me, and it's reciprocal.",2576.54,2578.5,{"idx":2132,"utterance_id":2133,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2134,"start_s":2135,"end_s":2136,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},330,"209013","So with Tarcísio, once again, there's no use trying to create some kind of intrigue to distance us; that simply will not happen.",2578.86,2586.32,{"idx":2138,"utterance_id":2139,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2140,"start_s":2141,"end_s":2142,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},331,"209014","Senator, what was that letter your brother Eduardo Bolsonaro sent to your father about?",2586.76,2592.94,{"idx":2144,"utterance_id":2145,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2146,"start_s":2147,"end_s":2148,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},332,"209015","And if you are elected president next year, do you intend to do anything to help your brother regarding the investigations he is responding to, or regarding his situation in the Chamber of Deputies, anything along those lines?",2593.48,2607.66,{"idx":2150,"utterance_id":2151,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2152,"start_s":2153,"end_s":2154,"word_count":380,"indexable":178},333,"209016","Well, answering from the end backwards, I am convinced that Brazil needs to be redemocratized, because what we live in today is not a full democracy and the press itself already recognizes this.",2608.42,2617.22,{"idx":2156,"utterance_id":2157,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2158,"start_s":2159,"end_s":2160,"word_count":392,"indexable":178},334,"209017","From the moment Jair Bolsonaro is buried alive, the statements from the major media outlets begin saying that now it's enough, the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) has to stop practicing excesses, it has to go back into its box.",2618.08,2630.6,{"idx":2162,"utterance_id":2163,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2164,"start_s":2165,"end_s":2166,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},335,"209018","So there is a recognition in the published opinion that what was done to Bolsonaro was a great 'justiçamento'.",2631.42,2638.2,{"idx":2168,"utterance_id":2169,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2170,"start_s":2171,"end_s":2172,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},336,"209019","It's an example of what happens with Eduardo Bolsonaro.",2638.9,2640.62,{"idx":2174,"utterance_id":2175,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2176,"start_s":2177,"end_s":2178,"word_count":439,"indexable":178},337,"209020","So, obviously we will have to, through politics, build the path so that Brazil returns to truly having peace; that's what I propose to do, once again, with the peacemaker profile that I believe I have.",2640.66,2652.22,{"idx":2180,"utterance_id":2181,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2182,"start_s":2183,"end_s":2184,"word_count":561,"indexable":178},338,"209021","Regarding Eduardo's letter to my father, it speaks of private things; he told him not to give up on Brazil, that it was difficult for him there, but not to worry about him, that he was taking care of his life; he said that the children, Gegê and Kiki, who are... the wonderful kids, my father's grandchildren, were missing him.",2652.88,2673.56,{"idx":2186,"utterance_id":2187,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2188,"start_s":2189,"end_s":2190,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},339,"209022","He included in that letter the drawings they made for my father.",2674.36,2678.2,{"idx":2192,"utterance_id":2193,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2194,"start_s":2195,"end_s":2196,"word_count":502,"indexable":178},340,"209023","So the drawings are there; I didn't get to see them because he... I only knew they existed because my brother told me, but they are there with him for him to look at every day and remember the family, not to give up, to lift his head, that he will come out of all this bigger than he was before.",2678.36,2691.94,{"idx":2198,"utterance_id":2199,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2200,"start_s":2201,"end_s":2202,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},341,"209024","Together, also a photo of him wearing the presidential sash.",2692.38,2695.76,{"idx":2204,"utterance_id":2205,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2206,"start_s":2207,"end_s":2208,"word_count":397,"indexable":178},342,"209025","At the inauguration, along with my two still very little daughters, so he can remember how they grew up, see how quickly time has passed; so you can rest assured that time will pass quickly in here for you and very soon you will be free again, God willing.",2696.7,2710.86,{"idx":2210,"utterance_id":2211,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2212,"start_s":2213,"end_s":2214,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},343,"209026","So the letter from Eduardo to him was in that sense.",2711.7,2713.58,{"idx":2216,"utterance_id":2217,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2218,"start_s":2219,"end_s":2220,"word_count":281,"indexable":178},344,"209027","Senator, this week former first lady Michele Bolsonaro stepped away from the pele mulher for health reasons and recently you had a public disagreement because of support for Ciro Gomes.",2713.82,2725.26,{"idx":2222,"utterance_id":2223,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2224,"start_s":2225,"end_s":2226,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},345,"209028","How is your relationship, the former president's children, with the former first lady?",2725.62,2730.22,{"idx":2228,"utterance_id":2229,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2230,"start_s":2231,"end_s":2232,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},346,"209029","Has the situation calmed down?",2730.6,2732.04,{"idx":2234,"utterance_id":2235,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2236,"start_s":2237,"end_s":2238,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},347,"209030","Is there still any disagreement?",2732.12,2733.94,{"idx":2240,"utterance_id":2241,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2242,"start_s":2243,"end_s":2244,"word_count":240,"indexable":178},348,"209031","Look, just to, it's important to clarify a point: our disagreement was not because of Ciro Gomes.",2735.4,2739.52,{"idx":2246,"utterance_id":2247,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2248,"start_s":2249,"end_s":2250,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},349,"209032","It's obvious that no one who is on the right can look at Ciro Gomes and see any reference, any positive thing in him.",2740.56,2748.72,{"idx":2252,"utterance_id":2253,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2254,"start_s":2255,"end_s":2256,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},350,"209033","That's not what it's about.",2749.46,2750.4,{"idx":2258,"utterance_id":2259,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2260,"start_s":2261,"end_s":2262,"word_count":445,"indexable":178},351,"209034","What we disagreed on was the way it was done, because there was our main leader from Ceará, Deputy André Fernandes, still making moves in conversations with authorization from President Bolsonaro, and that was exposed in a way I did not find appropriate.",2751.28,2766.52,{"idx":2264,"utterance_id":2265,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2266,"start_s":2267,"end_s":2268,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},352,"209035","At the event where Michelle was, where André was, where there were even people from another party on the stage, who at first will not walk with us.",2767.44,2776.86,{"idx":2270,"utterance_id":2271,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2272,"start_s":2273,"end_s":2274,"word_count":603,"indexable":178},353,"209036","In this undertaking, in this my pre-candidacy for the presidency, I will also look for a new party to understand; Zema is a pre-candidacy for the presidency that is out there and for which I have no doubt we will walk together — if not in the first round, then in the second round; Zema is a person who would be very important to be with us from the beginning, but my conversation with Michelle...",2778.16,2801.06,{"idx":2276,"utterance_id":2277,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2278,"start_s":2279,"end_s":2280,"word_count":585,"indexable":178},354,"209037","Then, since I think I'm the son of Bolsonaro who always had a better relationship with her, I've always had a very respectful relationship; we sat down as adults, understood each other, she with her reasons, me explaining my reasons for why it happened that way, we apologized, we moved forward — so much so that she was with us at this big event with our entire PL caucus.",2801.08,2823.86,{"idx":2282,"utterance_id":2283,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2284,"start_s":2285,"end_s":2286,"word_count":514,"indexable":178},355,"209038","Here in Brasília yesterday, where she was by my side there, supporting my pre-candidacy, me asking her for help to build our proposals for women, because she, together with Damares, they can contribute a lot to our continuing what they had already been doing in President Bolsonaro's government.",2825.24,2843.74,{"idx":2288,"utterance_id":2289,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2290,"start_s":2291,"end_s":2292,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},356,"209039","And she was there very excited, by my side, singing 'Volta, Bolsonaro!'.",2843.76,2847.62,{"idx":2294,"utterance_id":2295,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2296,"start_s":2297,"end_s":2298,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},357,"209040","Come back, Bolsonaro!",2848.58,2850.34,{"idx":2300,"utterance_id":2301,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2302,"start_s":2303,"end_s":2304,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},358,"209041","So, I think that's the spirit.",2850.9,2851.98,{"idx":2306,"utterance_id":2307,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2308,"start_s":2309,"end_s":2310,"word_count":433,"indexable":178},359,"209042","which will be with us from now on in total unity and with great joy at being able to present a real, concrete alternative that will bring hope back, will rekindle the flame inside the hearts of Brazilians, the pride of being Brazilian.",2852.48,2867.34,{"idx":2312,"utterance_id":2313,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2314,"start_s":2315,"end_s":2316,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},360,"209043","Senator, another question from our conversation: I understand this is already on your radar.",2868,2872.14,{"idx":2318,"utterance_id":2319,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2320,"start_s":2321,"end_s":2322,"word_count":321,"indexable":178},361,"209044","Have you and Senator Rogério Marinho already talked last Tuesday about how... which states need more attention?",2873.2,2882.36,{"idx":2324,"utterance_id":2325,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2326,"start_s":2327,"end_s":2328,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},362,"209045","What are the strategies for 2026?",2882.44,2884.24,{"idx":2330,"utterance_id":2331,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2332,"start_s":2333,"end_s":2334,"word_count":233,"indexable":178},363,"209046","So, given that, I ask you: in which states do you imagine the PL will have the most difficulty in 2026?",2884.84,2891.96,{"idx":2336,"utterance_id":2337,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2338,"start_s":2339,"end_s":2340,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},364,"209047","And what strategies are on the table to try to deal with that?",2892.68,2896.82,{"idx":2342,"utterance_id":2343,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2344,"start_s":2345,"end_s":2346,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},365,"209048","Look, these are still very preliminary conversations, especially because the putting forward of my name now was... not something many people were taking into consideration.",2897.7,2910.06,{"idx":2348,"utterance_id":2349,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2350,"start_s":2351,"end_s":2352,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},366,"209049","So the slates that will be decided in the states now will take shape.",2910.82,2915.26,{"idx":2354,"utterance_id":2355,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2356,"start_s":2357,"end_s":2358,"word_count":233,"indexable":178},367,"209050","There are some places where we can already have a clear view of the path we have to follow.",2915.28,2920.26,{"idx":2360,"utterance_id":2361,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2362,"start_s":2363,"end_s":2364,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},368,"209051","Now, there are other states that will depend on which parties want to walk with us from now on, which parties will want to walk with us in a possible second round.",2920.96,2930.84,{"idx":2366,"utterance_id":2367,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2368,"start_s":2369,"end_s":2370,"word_count":543,"indexable":178},369,"209052","And this, obviously, influences when we analyze which names have the potential to be elected or not, whether for governor, federal deputy, or senator — especially the majoritarian positions, which are governor and senator — that's where there has to be a bigger conversation with other parties, because what's the calculation everyone makes?",2931.68,2952.7,{"idx":2372,"utterance_id":2373,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2374,"start_s":2375,"end_s":2376,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},370,"209053","Look, in this state, what is the reality?",2952.78,2955.26,{"idx":2378,"utterance_id":2379,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2380,"start_s":2381,"end_s":2382,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},371,"209054","What is Bolsonaro's strength here?",2955.56,2956.76,{"idx":2384,"utterance_id":2385,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2386,"start_s":2387,"end_s":2388,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},372,"209055","What is the strength of the side of evil, Lula's?",2956.86,2958.96,{"idx":2390,"utterance_id":2391,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2392,"start_s":2393,"end_s":2394,"word_count":386,"indexable":178},373,"209056","How does the voter here behave, which proposal works, what is the profile of the person putting their name forward, who has more chance, who has less chance, how it will be if you elect them.",2959.64,2967.26,{"idx":2396,"utterance_id":2397,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2398,"start_s":2399,"end_s":2400,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},374,"209057","So those are the considerations that have to be made.",2967.84,2971.64,{"idx":2402,"utterance_id":2403,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2404,"start_s":2405,"end_s":2406,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},375,"209058","I can't give you specifics here, and even if it were already defined, I wouldn't announce it publicly, because these are conversations you have first before making any decision.",2971.66,2981.26,{"idx":2408,"utterance_id":2409,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2410,"start_s":2411,"end_s":2412,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},376,"209059","These are conversations that are held in private.",2982.06,2984.4,{"idx":2414,"utterance_id":2415,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2416,"start_s":2417,"end_s":2418,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},377,"209060","With a very frank conversation and which many times, if opened to the public, many people could distort or not understand.",2984.8,2990.52,{"idx":2420,"utterance_id":2421,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2422,"start_s":2423,"end_s":2424,"word_count":427,"indexable":178},378,"209061","But I, given my profile and because I like to do this — I love doing politics — will sit down with great calm and great sincerity together with Rogério Marinho, who will be my right-hand man on this journey; I already ask here publicly.",2991.12,3006.06,{"idx":2426,"utterance_id":2427,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2428,"start_s":2429,"end_s":2430,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},379,"209062","Once again, Marinho, I will need your leadership and your intelligence very much.",3006.12,3010.76,{"idx":2432,"utterance_id":2433,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2434,"start_s":2435,"end_s":2436,"word_count":473,"indexable":178},380,"209063","And your political vision for us to make the correct decisions across Brazil, because we have an entire country to restore dignity to and to bring hope back, to put into practice and realize this our dream of a Brazil of the future that never arrives.",3011.74,3028.74,{"idx":2438,"utterance_id":2439,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2440,"start_s":2441,"end_s":2442,"word_count":304,"indexable":178},381,"209064","The time has to be now, we can't wait any longer and I count a lot on Marinho as well in this mission.",3029.06,3034.4,{"idx":2444,"utterance_id":2445,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2446,"start_s":2447,"end_s":2448,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},382,"209065","Senator, two issues that are very hot on the agenda.",3034.98,3038.02,{"idx":2450,"utterance_id":2451,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2452,"start_s":2453,"end_s":2454,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},383,"209066","I'd like to bring them up and ask to know what you think about them.",3039.04,3042.44,{"idx":2456,"utterance_id":2457,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2458,"start_s":2459,"end_s":2460,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},384,"209067","The first of them is the issue of impeachment of an STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) minister, which was one of the reasons for clashes between the Judiciary and Congress in recent days.",3042.88,3051.38,{"idx":2462,"utterance_id":2463,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2464,"start_s":2465,"end_s":2466,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},385,"209068","Do you support the impeachment of an STF minister?",3054.42,3057.98,{"idx":2468,"utterance_id":2469,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2470,"start_s":2471,"end_s":2472,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},386,"209069","If elected president, will you try to push for some legislative change to return this prerogative to senators?",3058.68,3065.54,{"idx":2474,"utterance_id":2475,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2476,"start_s":2477,"end_s":2478,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},387,"209070","Look, I always defend compliance with the law, right?",3067.06,3068.72,{"idx":2480,"utterance_id":2481,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2482,"start_s":2483,"end_s":2484,"word_count":240,"indexable":178},388,"209071","And what is in the impeachment law is that a few of them there committed a crime of responsibility.",3069.7,3076.88,{"idx":2486,"utterance_id":2487,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2488,"start_s":2489,"end_s":2490,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},389,"209072","That is an objective, indisputable fact.",3076.9,3079.26,{"idx":2492,"utterance_id":2493,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2494,"start_s":2495,"end_s":2496,"word_count":445,"indexable":178},390,"209073","Now, from the moment there is a monocratic pen stroke to change a 1950 law on the argument that it is outdated and trampling a prerogative, an exclusive competence of the National Congress, it is a sign that there is no institutional normality in Brazil.",3080,3096.58,{"idx":2498,"utterance_id":2499,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2500,"start_s":2501,"end_s":2502,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},391,"209074","and that something needs to be done.",3097.28,3099.08,{"idx":2504,"utterance_id":2505,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2506,"start_s":2507,"end_s":2508,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},392,"209075","Back then I really believed in self-restraint by the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), which did not happen, did not materialize.",3100.02,3104.34,{"idx":2510,"utterance_id":2511,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2512,"start_s":2513,"end_s":2514,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},393,"209076","We cannot be afraid or ashamed to discuss this subject, because it has ended up becoming an issue for the 2026 election.",3104.94,3112.32,{"idx":2516,"utterance_id":2517,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2518,"start_s":2519,"end_s":2520,"word_count":496,"indexable":178},394,"209077","I am sure many voters will ask a Senate candidate whether they are for or against the impeachment of an STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) justice, because of the actions that some of them have taken and continue to take; for me it is inadmissible that, by a monocratic pen stroke, once again, in a precarious manner, you suspend a decision of the National Congress.",3112.66,3134.48,{"idx":2522,"utterance_id":2523,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2524,"start_s":2525,"end_s":2526,"word_count":473,"indexable":178},395,"209078","It was like that when the National Congress overturned another tax increase by the Lula government, the IOF on credit cards, Tax on Financial Transactions; by a wide majority in the Senate and the Chamber of Deputies the overturning of that tax increase was approved, and then, with a pen stroke the guy goes and says... the tax remains in effect.",3134.8,3153.58,{"idx":2528,"utterance_id":2529,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2530,"start_s":2531,"end_s":2532,"word_count":240,"indexable":178},396,"209079","Yes, because then they invent any justification to say it is an institutional tax, so today everything has become a matter for the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",3153.66,3158.34,{"idx":2534,"utterance_id":2535,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2536,"start_s":2537,"end_s":2538,"word_count":378,"indexable":178},397,"209080","So there must be a reform of the judiciary, I don't know exactly how that will be put on paper, but the political class has already understood that, unfortunately, there is a lack of common sense, at least in one justice of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), who has no limits, and if politics does not take some measures and make legislation and the Constitution be respected again in our country, our democracy will continue to be highly questioned.",3158.88,3188.62,{"idx":2540,"utterance_id":2541,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2542,"start_s":2543,"end_s":2544,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},398,"209081","Because there is a discourse of defending democracy — I'll do anything to defend democracy — even rape democracy, which is what they are doing.",3189.36,3199.58,{"idx":2546,"utterance_id":2547,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2548,"start_s":2549,"end_s":2550,"word_count":281,"indexable":178},399,"209082","So we have to rescue this value, the force of the Constitution and the legislation, because the law exists precisely for that: to prevent tyranny, to impose limits on people.",3200.08,3211.62,{"idx":2552,"utterance_id":2553,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2554,"start_s":2555,"end_s":2556,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},400,"209083","who would dare to do what is happening here in Brazil.",3212.02,3215.92,{"idx":2558,"utterance_id":2559,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2560,"start_s":2561,"end_s":2562,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},401,"209084","So, without any concern, without any shame, now, as soon as I am seated in the chair of the President of the Republic, this will be an issue for the National Congress.",3216.06,3222.66,{"idx":2564,"utterance_id":2565,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2566,"start_s":2567,"end_s":2568,"word_count":233,"indexable":178},402,"209085","I am speaking here as a senator, because I participate, I am held accountable for this, everyone knows my public opinion on the matter.",3223.06,3229.2,{"idx":2570,"utterance_id":2571,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2572,"start_s":2573,"end_s":2574,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},403,"209086","There are more than enough reasons to impeach justices of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), including the most recent one.",3229.86,3237.24,{"idx":2576,"utterance_id":2577,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2578,"start_s":2579,"end_s":2580,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},404,"209087","now, one very bad thing, right?",3237.28,3239.38,{"idx":2582,"utterance_id":2583,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2584,"start_s":2585,"end_s":2586,"word_count":61,"indexable":178},405,"209088","the wife herself receiving and signing a 124 million reais contract with a private company — I would like to understand what service she provides to a company like that, because it is difficult to explain 124 million reais; you can explain smaller amounts, little bits — that really works, there are good lawyers, everyone has problems and so on — but this is a scandal, this is a scandal and unfortunately much of the press does not raise it. Imagine if it were Senator Flávio Bolsonaro's office, a 124 million reais contract with a company that is in the spotlight today in Brazil.",3239.9,3276.22,{"idx":2588,"utterance_id":2589,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2590,"start_s":2591,"end_s":2592,"word_count":386,"indexable":178},406,"209089","It would be a total scandal, there would already be my impeachment request, there would be an STF decision removing me from office, but because she is the wife of STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) Justice Alexandre de Moraes, it is left there, it seems to be placed under secrecy.",3276.3,3286.94,{"idx":424,"utterance_id":2594,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2595,"start_s":2596,"end_s":2597,"word_count":373,"indexable":178},"209090","I think this is very bad; indeed a protection begins to happen. I want to address, I want to deal with all the laws in this Banco Master case, in which there is a delay regarding one of the partners.",3288.24,3297.88,{"idx":2599,"utterance_id":2600,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2601,"start_s":2602,"end_s":2603,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},408,"209091","And no one is talking about the other partner, why?",3298.34,3300.02,{"idx":2605,"utterance_id":2606,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2607,"start_s":2608,"end_s":2609,"word_count":531,"indexable":178},409,"209092","The so-called Augusto, who is the partner, the other partner at Banco Master, who is the person who, at least as far as I know, from what I hear, was the one responsible within that bank for handling these matters that today are the suspicions of corruption, of there having been some problem with the financial system.",3300.8,3319.26,{"idx":2611,"utterance_id":2612,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2613,"start_s":2614,"end_s":2615,"word_count":206,"indexable":178},410,"209093","They only talk about one guy and don't talk about this Augusto from Bahia, who I know is close to a lot of people in politics, in the PT (Workers' Party).",3319.66,3326.68,{"idx":2617,"utterance_id":2618,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2619,"start_s":2620,"end_s":2621,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},411,"209094","including people very close to Lula, or perhaps Lula himself.",3327.72,3330.7,{"idx":2623,"utterance_id":2624,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2625,"start_s":2626,"end_s":2627,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},412,"209095","So what is happening in Brazil today has to be faced head on with truth.",3331.34,3334.98,{"idx":2629,"utterance_id":2630,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2631,"start_s":2632,"end_s":2633,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},413,"209096","And that is also what the mecanizadora will bring.",3335.48,3337.36,{"idx":2635,"utterance_id":2636,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2637,"start_s":2638,"end_s":2639,"word_count":373,"indexable":178},414,"209097","Because I am disgusted by the way things are shielded here in Brazil, omitted by parts of the press, and we have to put our finger on the sore regarding these real problems.",3337.82,3348.3,{"idx":2641,"utterance_id":2642,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2643,"start_s":2644,"end_s":2645,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},415,"209098","I cannot be ashamed, I cannot be afraid to say this, because I want to believe we will build a truly democratic Brazil from now on.",3348.8,3357,{"idx":2647,"utterance_id":2648,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2649,"start_s":2650,"end_s":2651,"word_count":397,"indexable":178},416,"209099","To bury Bolsonaro alive, mission given, mission accomplished, we annihilated Bolsonaro, but they forgot that there are almost 60 million Bolsonaro followers across Brazil, whom they will not be able to put in a cage, put in a room at the Federal Police to be tortured psychologically, mentally and physically.",3357.34,3377.68,{"idx":2653,"utterance_id":2654,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2655,"start_s":2656,"end_s":2657,"word_count":240,"indexable":178},417,"209100","So my candidacy also has this tone of protest against everything we are seeing happen in Brazil.",3378.16,3382.88,{"idx":2659,"utterance_id":2660,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2661,"start_s":2662,"end_s":2663,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},418,"209101","and everyone keeps asking God what we should do, what the path is for getting out of this trap that has been set here, and nobody knows how to escape it.",3383.26,3395.98,{"idx":2665,"utterance_id":2666,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2667,"start_s":2668,"end_s":2669,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},419,"209102","So my name is being put forward once again with complete calm.",3396.3,3399.74,{"idx":2671,"utterance_id":2672,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2673,"start_s":2674,"end_s":2675,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},420,"209103","I am a conservative person.",3400.26,3401.6,{"idx":2677,"utterance_id":2678,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2679,"start_s":2680,"end_s":2681,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},421,"209104","I do not advocate radical changes, but we need to face the problem.",3402.14,3405.6,{"idx":2683,"utterance_id":2684,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2685,"start_s":2686,"end_s":2687,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},422,"209105","What is the diagnosis here?",3406.14,3407.1,{"idx":2689,"utterance_id":2690,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2691,"start_s":2692,"end_s":2693,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},423,"209106","I am a doctor.",3407.48,3408.1,{"idx":2695,"utterance_id":2696,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2697,"start_s":2698,"end_s":2699,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},424,"209107","What is the diagnosis?",3408.46,3409.16,{"idx":2701,"utterance_id":2702,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2703,"start_s":2704,"end_s":2705,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},425,"209108","This is the disease.",3409.18,3409.88,{"idx":2707,"utterance_id":2708,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2709,"start_s":2710,"end_s":2711,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},426,"209109","So we have to treat the disease in this way.",3410.26,3412.56,{"idx":2713,"utterance_id":2714,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2715,"start_s":2716,"end_s":2717,"word_count":191,"indexable":178},427,"209110","There is no point in trying to treat cancer by giving aspirin or trying to heal an open fracture by putting on a band-aid; it will not solve anything.",3412.84,3419.84,{"idx":2719,"utterance_id":2720,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2721,"start_s":2722,"end_s":2723,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},428,"209111","So we have to end this era of lies.",3420.46,3422.58,{"idx":2725,"utterance_id":2726,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2727,"start_s":2728,"end_s":2729,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},429,"209112","This is how Lula has gotten used to governing.",3422.62,3424.16,{"idx":2731,"utterance_id":2732,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2733,"start_s":2734,"end_s":2735,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},430,"209113","By lying, and with Flávio Bolsonaro it will be with the truth.",3424.18,3426.9,{"idx":2737,"utterance_id":2738,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2739,"start_s":2740,"end_s":2741,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},431,"209114","Senator, the other topic that is quite hot on the agenda that I would like to question you about is the PL on dosimetry in the Senate.",3427.58,3435.62,{"idx":2743,"utterance_id":2744,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2745,"start_s":2746,"end_s":2747,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},432,"209115","We started talking about that at the very beginning of our conversation, but we moved on to other subjects.",3435.64,3440.94,{"idx":2749,"utterance_id":2750,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2751,"start_s":2752,"end_s":2753,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},433,"209116","Senator Espiridião Amin has just been chosen as rapporteur.",3441.42,3445.16,{"idx":2755,"utterance_id":2756,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2757,"start_s":2758,"end_s":2759,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},434,"209117","And the president of the CCJ, Otto Alencar, spoke with our columnist Marcela Raal and said he intended to shelve this PL in the Senate.",3445.18,3454.64,{"idx":2761,"utterance_id":2762,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2763,"start_s":2764,"end_s":2765,"word_count":192,"indexable":178},435,"209118","What do you think about this move?",3455.02,3457.46,{"idx":2767,"utterance_id":2768,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2769,"start_s":2770,"end_s":2771,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},436,"209119","Look, I think that was not what we agreed when Hugo Mota and Belcolumbre were the candidates for the presidencies of the Chamber of Deputies and the Senate, respectively.",3457.8,3468.64,{"idx":2773,"utterance_id":2774,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2775,"start_s":2776,"end_s":2777,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},437,"209120","So, it is a situation that is yet another sign of fatigue",3469.38,3472.58,{"idx":2779,"utterance_id":2780,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2781,"start_s":2782,"end_s":2783,"word_count":1068,"indexable":178},438,"209121","of our democracy, it is another sign of the Legislature's submission to the Judiciary, but the understanding that was reached, including with the acquiescence of President Bolsonaro, was the following: look, today we do not have the votes, there is external pressure on the Legislature, let's face reality, let's vote in favor of this project, let's continue fighting for the amnesty agenda, because from the text as we understand it the calculation being made is that, except for President Bolsonaro and people close to him, all the rest of these innocent, wronged political prisoners will at least be able to return to live with their families, be able to breathe fresh air again, take a walk, open a beach chair on the sidewalk in front of their house and breathe fresh air and talk with their relatives at night, drinking a chimarrão or talking about Brazil, while he remains there imprisoned.",3473.42,3532.42,{"idx":2785,"utterance_id":2786,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2787,"start_s":2788,"end_s":2789,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},439,"209122","in a cage, suffering psychological torture.",3532.98,3535.52,{"idx":2791,"utterance_id":2792,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2793,"start_s":2794,"end_s":2795,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},440,"209123","It was his choice, Jair Bolsonaro's, to lead us this way.",3535.58,3539.74,{"idx":2797,"utterance_id":2798,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2799,"start_s":2800,"end_s":2801,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},441,"209124","So, another gesture, a gesture of a person who is the way he is.",3539.78,3543.38,{"idx":2803,"utterance_id":2804,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2805,"start_s":2806,"end_s":2807,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},442,"209125","I am sure that a large part of those listening to us or who will read this interview would make a different decision; they would be selfish, they would think of him.",3544.04,3553.62,{"idx":2809,"utterance_id":2810,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2811,"start_s":2812,"end_s":2813,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},443,"209126","And even in this moment, you see Jair Bolsonaro's greatness in not thinking of himself.",3554.2,3558.54,{"idx":449,"utterance_id":2815,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2816,"start_s":2817,"end_s":2818,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},"209127","Once again, as he always has, he always thought of Brazil.",3558.78,3560.9,{"idx":2820,"utterance_id":2821,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2822,"start_s":2823,"end_s":2824,"word_count":722,"indexable":178},445,"209128","Now he continues to think of the people who are suffering as he is, but if the price is for these people to be able to breathe a little semi-freedom, which is what is being offered to them, with the cost being that I remain here without freedom, let things blow up — I can take the heat here and I trust in God that sooner or later I will also be on the streets doing what I like, which is hugging the people and helping to build a project that will take Brazil out of this captivity.",3561.46,3589.4,{"idx":2826,"utterance_id":2827,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2828,"start_s":2829,"end_s":2830,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},446,"209129","Senator, now moving toward the end of our interview, a subject that is from the past but which I cannot fail to ask you about.",3590.24,3598,{"idx":2832,"utterance_id":2833,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2834,"start_s":2835,"end_s":2836,"word_count":386,"indexable":178},447,"209130","Are you afraid that investigations to which you have already responded, such as the rachadinha case involving the purchase of property in Brasília, could in some way harm your campaign next year?",3598.48,3610.92,{"idx":2838,"utterance_id":2839,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2840,"start_s":2841,"end_s":2842,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},448,"209131","And if, eventually, you are not elected, are you worried about losing your privileged forum?",3611.66,3617.38,{"idx":2844,"utterance_id":2845,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2846,"start_s":2847,"end_s":2848,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},449,"209132","Important question, because it is another opportunity for me to talk about it.",3617.9,3621.5,{"idx":2850,"utterance_id":2851,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2852,"start_s":2853,"end_s":2854,"word_count":283,"indexable":178},450,"209133","I will speak a lot about this whenever I am questioned, because the truth is on my side.",3621.52,3625.04,{"idx":2856,"utterance_id":2857,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2858,"start_s":2859,"end_s":2860,"word_count":233,"indexable":178},451,"209134","It is a matter that has already been filed away for quite some time; there is nothing more that can be done about it.",3625.96,3631.72,{"idx":2862,"utterance_id":2863,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2864,"start_s":2865,"end_s":2866,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},452,"209135","They carried out a thorough probe into my life.",3632.64,3634.3,{"idx":2868,"utterance_id":2869,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2870,"start_s":2871,"end_s":2872,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},453,"209136","My banking secrecy, tax secrecy, everything was broken going back 11 years.",3634.78,3639.88,{"idx":2874,"utterance_id":2875,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2876,"start_s":2877,"end_s":2878,"word_count":252,"indexable":178},454,"209137","I have never seen this happen to anyone in the history of Brazil; I never had absolutely anything.",3640.04,3643.9,{"idx":2880,"utterance_id":2881,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2882,"start_s":2883,"end_s":2884,"word_count":386,"indexable":178},455,"209138","Not a single line against my conduct, against my conduct as a public figure, in 16 years that I was a state deputy in Rio for four terms; it was enough for President Bolsonaro to be elected for this persecution to begin.",3644.74,3657.48,{"idx":2886,"utterance_id":2887,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2888,"start_s":2889,"end_s":2890,"word_count":177,"indexable":178},456,"209139","So the investigation that was carried out, the horrible way it was done, with an absurd exposure, an attempt to annihilate my public image — what did it show?",3658,3667.56,{"idx":2892,"utterance_id":2893,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2894,"start_s":2895,"end_s":2896,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},457,"209140","It showed that my assets are compatible with my income.",3667.66,3670.48,{"idx":2898,"utterance_id":2899,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2900,"start_s":2901,"end_s":2902,"word_count":213,"indexable":178},458,"209141","The dozens of people who were heard there, and who were, trying, induced to try to say something about me, all of them always said that I never participated in anything, never offered a position in exchange for anything, never asked for money, never anything.",3671.42,3684.96,{"idx":2904,"utterance_id":2905,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2906,"start_s":2907,"end_s":2908,"word_count":220,"indexable":178},459,"209142","This process was the greatest attestation to my integrity that I could have.",3685.68,3689.84,{"idx":2910,"utterance_id":2911,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2912,"start_s":2913,"end_s":2914,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},460,"209143","It is a case that was already filed away in Rio de Janeiro.",3690.56,3694,{"idx":2916,"utterance_id":2917,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2918,"start_s":2919,"end_s":2920,"word_count":208,"indexable":178},461,"209144","That is a closed chapter.",3694.16,3695.84,{"idx":2922,"utterance_id":2923,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2924,"start_s":2925,"end_s":2926,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},462,"209145","Obviously they will try to keep reheating this.",3695.92,3698.54,{"idx":2928,"utterance_id":2929,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2930,"start_s":2931,"end_s":2932,"word_count":265,"indexable":178},463,"209146","And furthermore, you see what the biggest corruption scandals in Brazil were.",3699.12,3703.12,{"idx":2934,"utterance_id":2935,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2936,"start_s":2932,"end_s":2937,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},464,"209147","2003, Mensalão, President Lula.",3706.66,{"idx":2939,"utterance_id":2940,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2941,"start_s":2937,"end_s":2942,"word_count":201,"indexable":178},465,"209148","2007, Petrolão, President Lula.",3709.44,{"idx":2944,"utterance_id":2945,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2946,"start_s":2942,"end_s":2947,"word_count":235,"indexable":178},466,"209149","2023, now, the theft from INSS retirees, President Lula.",3715.1,{"idx":2949,"utterance_id":2950,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2951,"start_s":2952,"end_s":2953,"word_count":281,"indexable":178},467,"209150","I mean, his governments were where the biggest corruption scandals took place, in which billions and billions of reais were stolen from taxpayers' money, from our tax money.",3715.96,3727.24,{"idx":2955,"utterance_id":2956,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2957,"start_s":2958,"end_s":2959,"word_count":240,"indexable":178},468,"209151","And I went through a process in which I was never... There was never the start of a criminal proceeding against Flávio Bolsonaro.",3728.5,3734.64,{"idx":2961,"utterance_id":2962,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2963,"start_s":2964,"end_s":2965,"word_count":392,"indexable":178},469,"209152","Unlike the competition, the evil one, who was convicted in all instances, everyone talking, the guy saying he delivered money to Lula in a shoebox inside the plane at the airport in São Paulo.",3735.14,3745.86,{"idx":2967,"utterance_id":2968,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2969,"start_s":2970,"end_s":2971,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},470,"209153","I mean, billions and billions returned by companies and individuals who confessed the crimes, who said that Lula was the leader of the gang.",3746.04,3754.96,{"idx":2973,"utterance_id":2974,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2975,"start_s":2976,"end_s":2977,"word_count":215,"indexable":178},471,"209154","I mean, all of that is history.",3754.98,3756.22,{"idx":2979,"utterance_id":2980,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2981,"start_s":2982,"end_s":2983,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},472,"209155","He managed to make a turnaround.",3757.06,3759.62,{"idx":2985,"utterance_id":2986,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2987,"start_s":2988,"end_s":2989,"word_count":421,"indexable":178},473,"209156","because it was interesting at some point to put him back in the political game, to combat the threat to democracy that was chosen at the time, which was Jair Bolsonaro, whom we know is not a threat to democracy at all.",3760.46,3770.6,{"idx":2991,"utterance_id":2992,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2993,"start_s":2994,"end_s":2995,"word_count":485,"indexable":178},474,"209157","Lula is a threat to democracy, Lula is the one who corrupts institutions, it is under his government that retirees are robbed, it is Lula's son who is accused of receiving 300 thousand reais as a little allowance from the bald man at the INSS, it is Lula's son who fled the country.",3771.08,3788.38,{"idx":2997,"utterance_id":2998,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":2999,"start_s":3000,"end_s":3001,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},475,"209158","afraid of that investigation, and Bolsonaro's son is here, leaving his comfort zone, wanting to propose a project to rescue Brazil.",3788.84,3796.18,{"idx":3003,"utterance_id":3004,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":3005,"start_s":3006,"end_s":3007,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},476,"209159","Senator, we have reached the end of the interview; I wanted to thank you for your availability, for agreeing to this conversation with us; in short, I hope to be able to interview you again on other occasions.",3796.7,3807.44,{"idx":3009,"utterance_id":3010,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":3011,"start_s":3012,"end_s":3013,"word_count":233,"indexable":178},477,"209160","The greatest pleasure, Isabela, thank you for the opportunity, thanks also to Maurício Lima, for the space and for this important moment of our Brazil.",3808.38,3815.96,{"idx":3015,"utterance_id":3016,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":3017,"start_s":3018,"end_s":3019,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},478,"209161","that we become aware to stop, to stop pulanizing this process.",3816.58,3822.54,{"idx":3021,"utterance_id":3022,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":3023,"start_s":3024,"end_s":3025,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},479,"209162","Once again, we are not dealing with an election of Lula against Bolsonaro.",3822.58,3825.48,{"idx":3027,"utterance_id":3028,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":3029,"start_s":3030,"end_s":3031,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},480,"209163","We are dealing with which path Brazil will follow.",3825.5,3828.74,{"idx":3033,"utterance_id":3034,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":3035,"start_s":3036,"end_s":3037,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},481,"209164","The path of darkness with Lula or the path of prosperity with Bolsonaro.",3828.98,3832.4,{"idx":3039,"utterance_id":3040,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":3041,"start_s":3042,"end_s":3043,"word_count":289,"indexable":178},482,"209165","Thank you very much to everyone who followed the interview here on our TV channel Veja Mais.",3833.68,3840.08,{"idx":3045,"utterance_id":3046,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":3047,"start_s":3048,"end_s":3049,"word_count":26,"indexable":178},483,"209166","You can also find this interview in this week's print edition and along with other news that are also available on Veja's website.",3840.4,3848.28,{"idx":3051,"utterance_id":3052,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":3053,"start_s":3054,"end_s":3055,"word_count":233,"indexable":178},484,"209167","Get to know our TV channel Veja Mais, which is available on Samsung TV, on LG Channels and also on TCL Channels.",3848.68,3855.4,{"idx":3057,"utterance_id":3058,"speaker_name":134,"speaker_slug":133,"text":3059,"start_s":3060,"end_s":3061,"word_count":194,"indexable":178},485,"209168","See you next time!",3855.74,3860.56,"en",{"job_id":3064,"title":3065,"source_url":3066,"platform":3067,"content_type":3068,"published_at":3069,"duration_sec":3070,"n_classified":3071,"speakers":3072},"184bac5c-1625-4bf9-9ec5-4f2a5d5650ff","Entrevista com o senador Flávio Bolsonaro, pré-candidato à Presidência da República | Em Pauta","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=DmKIZBk74gw","youtube","video","2025-12-12T13:44:11Z",3860.549688,486,[3073],{"name":134,"slug":133,"photo_url":138,"n_falas":3071},"https:\u002F\u002Fi.ytimg.com\u002Fvi\u002FDmKIZBk74gw\u002Fhqdefault.jpg"]