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Sorry, Daphne, just to close this subject.",1082.5,1086.7,{"idx":891,"utterance_id":892,"speaker_name":25,"text":893,"start_s":894,"end_s":895,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},147,"170220","But then there's the cost of the measure, the exemption, it's 27 billion that need to be compensated.",1088.4,1095.52,{"idx":897,"utterance_id":898,"speaker_name":25,"text":899,"start_s":900,"end_s":901,"word_count":49,"indexable":14},148,"170221","The government's formula, I think it's good, I think it's very fair that those who earn 50,000 in untaxed income pay those 10%.",1095.54,1107.86,{"idx":903,"utterance_id":904,"speaker_name":25,"text":905,"start_s":906,"end_s":907,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},149,"170222","I think the government's formula is very fair.",1108.1,1110.54,{"idx":909,"utterance_id":910,"speaker_name":25,"text":911,"start_s":912,"end_s":913,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},150,"170223","Now, we're seeing that this is exactly what Congress is stuck 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pyramid.",1129.68,1140.26,{"idx":939,"utterance_id":940,"speaker_name":25,"text":941,"start_s":942,"end_s":943,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},155,"170228","And then it might not produce, perhaps it won't generate all the money.",1140.7,1143.28,{"idx":945,"utterance_id":946,"speaker_name":25,"text":947,"start_s":948,"end_s":949,"word_count":88,"indexable":14},156,"170229","What proposals have you heard as alternatives to the government's formula?",1143.52,1148.64,{"idx":951,"utterance_id":952,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":953,"start_s":954,"end_s":955,"word_count":31,"indexable":14},157,"170230","That's it, Tereza.",1149.56,1150.38,{"idx":957,"utterance_id":958,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":959,"start_s":960,"end_s":961,"word_count":137,"indexable":14},158,"170231","To tax those who earn a little more than 50,000, whether it's 70,000 or 80,000, we couldn't say.",1150.68,1156.6,{"idx":963,"utterance_id":964,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":965,"start_s":966,"end_s":967,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},159,"170232","And that difference you mentioned that would be missing from the federal government's coffers... could also be compensated by removing tax expenditures, that is, fiscal benefits given to some sectors that today, perhaps, are no longer justified.",1156.98,1173.68,{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":125,"indexable":14},160,"170233","Let's remember what tax expenditures are: they are tax waivers, tax benefits that we give to sectors.",1173.72,1179.56,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":195,"indexable":14},161,"170234","You have the Manaus Free Trade Zone, you have the Simples Nacional, you have income tax deductions for health and education 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Let's make a linear cut.",1222.02,1224.62,{"idx":1029,"utterance_id":1030,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1031,"start_s":1032,"end_s":1033,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},170,"170243","Then you even hit Bolsa Família.",1224.66,1226.28,{"idx":1035,"utterance_id":1036,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1037,"start_s":1038,"end_s":1039,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},171,"170244","So it doesn't make sense.",1226.32,1227.28,{"idx":1041,"utterance_id":1042,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1043,"start_s":1044,"end_s":1045,"word_count":88,"indexable":14},172,"170245","It's about looking at which tax waivers are no longer justified.",1227.94,1234.08,{"idx":1047,"utterance_id":1048,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1049,"start_s":1050,"end_s":1051,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},173,"170246","For example, the income tax 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make sense for everyone to be benefited.",1259.52,1262.06,{"idx":1077,"utterance_id":1078,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1079,"start_s":1080,"end_s":1081,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},178,"170251","I don't do it because my income tax doesn't apply to me.",1262.34,1265.18,{"idx":1083,"utterance_id":1084,"speaker_name":25,"text":1085,"start_s":1086,"end_s":1087,"word_count":31,"indexable":14},179,"170252","Would there be salary bands?",1265.66,1269.3,{"idx":1089,"utterance_id":1090,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1091,"start_s":1092,"end_s":1093,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},180,"170253","That could be an alternative, Marcelo.",1269.34,1271.44,{"idx":1095,"utterance_id":1096,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1097,"start_s":1098,"end_s":1099,"word_count":31,"indexable":14},181,"170254","I don't 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remembering that this will take effect starting in April next year, when we declare our income tax, meaning it applies to the year 2026, counting that whole year.",1290.14,1300.1,{"idx":1125,"utterance_id":1126,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1127,"start_s":1128,"end_s":1129,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},186,"170259","And I think they will come up with alternatives to compensate.",1300.48,1303.98,{"idx":1131,"utterance_id":1132,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1133,"start_s":1134,"end_s":1135,"word_count":195,"indexable":14},187,"170260","The only thing the government cannot do is give up compensation, because giving up compensation would mean having to cut public policies, and we have no way of cutting.",1304.32,1315.96,{"idx":1137,"utterance_id":1138,"speaker_name":25,"text":1139,"start_s":1140,"end_s":1141,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},188,"170261","Even to measure the surplus 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voters?",1360.2,1361.88,{"idx":1185,"utterance_id":1186,"speaker_name":25,"text":1187,"start_s":1188,"end_s":1189,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},196,"170269","I can tack on a question.",1362.74,1365.18,{"idx":1191,"utterance_id":1192,"speaker_name":25,"text":1193,"start_s":1194,"end_s":1195,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},197,"170270","So go ahead.",1370.06,1370.4,{"idx":1197,"utterance_id":1198,"speaker_name":25,"text":1199,"start_s":1200,"end_s":1201,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},198,"170271","Later you can take the floor directly.",1370.46,1373.2,{"idx":1203,"utterance_id":1204,"speaker_name":25,"text":1205,"start_s":1206,"end_s":1207,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},199,"170272","We have some remarks here, Minister.",1373.42,1376.26,{"idx":1209,"utterance_id":1210,"speaker_name":25,"text":1211,"start_s":1212,"end_s":1213,"word_count":167,"indexable":14},200,"170273","Canon Kenko... asks me to ask about the MEI, whether the Minister can answer about increasing the MEI limit that has long been frozen.",1376.5,1389.22,{"idx":1215,"utterance_id":1216,"speaker_name":25,"text":1217,"start_s":1218,"end_s":1219,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},201,"170274","And we also have here the question from Clênio Souza: why is there no talk of an audit of the public debt?",1389.52,1398,{"idx":1221,"utterance_id":1222,"speaker_name":25,"text":1223,"start_s":1224,"end_s":1225,"word_count":150,"indexable":14},202,"170275","Lenise Vaz asks, Minister, why wasn't there a clarification of the devastated situation the country was in under the previous government?",1398.92,1406.76,{"idx":1227,"utterance_id":1228,"speaker_name":25,"text":1229,"start_s":1230,"end_s":1231,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},203,"170276","Thank you.",1407.4,1407.96,{"idx":1233,"utterance_id":1234,"speaker_name":25,"text":1235,"start_s":1236,"end_s":1237,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},204,"170277","When you took office, why wasn't there that clarification?",1408.26,1411.38,{"idx":1239,"utterance_id":1240,"speaker_name":25,"text":1241,"start_s":1242,"end_s":1243,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},205,"170278","Here Jairo already proposing you as Plan B for 2026 and Malon not criticizing.",1414.18,1421.24,{"idx":1245,"utterance_id":1246,"speaker_name":25,"text":1247,"start_s":1248,"end_s":1249,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},206,"170279","And people also asked to talk about the tax.",1421.68,1425.74,{"idx":1251,"utterance_id":1252,"speaker_name":25,"text":1253,"start_s":1254,"end_s":1255,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},207,"170280","Some people here spoke about taxing agribusiness.",1427.9,1430.7,{"idx":1257,"utterance_id":1258,"speaker_name":25,"text":1259,"start_s":1260,"end_s":1261,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},208,"170281","Elida speaks about agrarian reform too.",1431.7,1434.56,{"idx":1263,"utterance_id":1264,"speaker_name":25,"text":1265,"start_s":1266,"end_s":1267,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},209,"170282","if you could answer whatever you want, and then Marcelo will take the floor.",1435.62,1440.14,{"idx":1269,"utterance_id":1270,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1271,"start_s":1272,"end_s":1273,"word_count":86,"indexable":14},210,"170283","A little bit out of order, I won't remember everything, I should have written it down, I thought it was one question at a time.",1440.7,1444.94,{"idx":1275,"utterance_id":1276,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1277,"start_s":1278,"end_s":1279,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},211,"170284","But no problem, I thought it was one question at a time.",1445.5,1447.66,{"idx":1281,"utterance_id":1282,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1283,"start_s":1284,"end_s":1285,"word_count":117,"indexable":14},212,"170285","A public audit of the public debt can be done at any time, I think it's important to do, even to clarify what really is public debt, what isn't, and to put an end to any kind of narrative from one side or the other, but I think it's important to do.",1448,1459.8,{"idx":1287,"utterance_id":1288,"speaker_name":25,"text":1289,"start_s":1290,"end_s":1291,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},213,"170286","So why doesn't it happen?",1460.16,1461.82,{"idx":1293,"utterance_id":1294,"speaker_name":25,"text":1295,"start_s":1296,"end_s":1297,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},214,"170287","Why doesn't it happen?",1462.2,1463.4,{"idx":1299,"utterance_id":1300,"speaker_name":25,"text":1301,"start_s":1302,"end_s":1303,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},215,"170288","Everyone says that.",1463.62,1466.28,{"idx":1305,"utterance_id":1306,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1307,"start_s":1308,"end_s":1309,"word_count":137,"indexable":14},216,"170289","Yes, I think we can do it with a lot of balance, without a fuss, do it quietly, and then, of course, present it.",1466.3,1473.08,{"idx":1311,"utterance_id":1312,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1313,"start_s":1314,"end_s":1315,"word_count":299,"indexable":14},217,"170290","I'll bring that suggestion, including, to Minister Haddad, perhaps to deliver that work to the country by the end of 2026, which is not work done overnight, it won't be completed in three months, six months.",1473.1,1485.54,{"idx":1317,"utterance_id":1318,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1319,"start_s":1320,"end_s":1321,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},218,"170291","But I'll bring...",1485.9,1486.7,{"idx":1323,"utterance_id":1324,"speaker_name":25,"text":1325,"start_s":1326,"end_s":1327,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},219,"170292","Pass that on, that would be very good.",1486.78,1488.6,{"idx":1329,"utterance_id":1330,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1331,"start_s":1332,"end_s":1333,"word_count":93,"indexable":14},220,"170293","I'll make that suggestion to Minister Haddad and take it to him.",1488.62,1492.02,{"idx":1335,"utterance_id":1336,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1337,"start_s":1338,"end_s":1339,"word_count":330,"indexable":14},221,"170294","Regarding, I think Lenise — a beautiful name, but I found it hard to remember — she said, I agree with her, and so we reached a point where the government thought it was better to stop talking about the past, Lenise, and start talking about the future.",1492.66,1509.26,{"idx":1341,"utterance_id":1342,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1343,"start_s":1344,"end_s":1345,"word_count":43,"indexable":14},222,"170295","And later we even regretted it ourselves, because everything in life is a comparison.",1509.6,1514.14,{"idx":1347,"utterance_id":1348,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1349,"start_s":1350,"end_s":1351,"word_count":297,"indexable":14},223,"170296","And look, her question makes me able to talk a little about something I'd very much like to see, maybe a suggestion for the future, since the channel's name is 247, maybe to have a small space once or twice a week to talk about Brazil in numbers.",1514.68,1534.14,{"idx":1353,"utterance_id":1354,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1355,"start_s":1356,"end_s":1357,"word_count":228,"indexable":14},224,"170297","When we talk about Brazil in numbers, we are surprised by Brazil's greatness and by how much we've advanced in these two little years, it's not even two and a half years of government.",1534.94,1545.92,{"idx":1359,"utterance_id":1360,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1361,"start_s":1362,"end_s":1363,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},225,"170298","What I mean by that, which is Lenise's question — why we didn't clarify the country's devastated situation —",1546.32,1552.3,{"idx":1365,"utterance_id":1366,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1367,"start_s":1368,"end_s":1369,"word_count":93,"indexable":14},226,"170299","Is just to compare how we were in 2022 and how we are now in 2025.",1552.68,1558.4,{"idx":1371,"utterance_id":1372,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1373,"start_s":1374,"end_s":1375,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},227,"170300","I won't cite numbers, I'll give examples.",1558.6,1561.16,{"idx":1377,"utterance_id":1378,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1379,"start_s":1380,"end_s":1381,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},228,"170301","GDP: two consecutive years of growth above the average, with recession in the previous government.",1561.48,1568.42,{"idx":1383,"utterance_id":1384,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1385,"start_s":1386,"end_s":1387,"word_count":110,"indexable":14},229,"170302","Higher employment than the historical average for the first quarter; we are at 7%, which is the largest of unemployment, which is, therefore, the lowest unemployment rate in the historical series for the period.",1568.78,1580.26,{"idx":1389,"utterance_id":1390,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1391,"start_s":1392,"end_s":1393,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},230,"170303","Wage mass higher, historic trade balance.",1580.68,1585.54,{"idx":1395,"utterance_id":1396,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1397,"start_s":1398,"end_s":1399,"word_count":353,"indexable":14},231,"170304","We are coming out of misery, minimum wage above inflation; in short, when we look at Brazil in numbers, at the same time we have the demographic issue, a country with 210 million Brazilians, a reduction in social inequality, an infrastructure stock — we could spend the entire morning here talking about Brazil in numbers.",1585.94,1607.68,{"idx":1401,"utterance_id":1402,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1403,"start_s":1404,"end_s":1405,"word_count":150,"indexable":14},232,"170305","And then the question arises: why didn't we present the comparison properly... because everything in life is comparison.",1607.98,1615.54,{"idx":1407,"utterance_id":1408,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1409,"start_s":1410,"end_s":1411,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},233,"170306","So, I agree with you, I think we failed.",1615.58,1617.72,{"idx":1413,"utterance_id":1414,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1415,"start_s":1416,"end_s":1417,"word_count":228,"indexable":14},234,"170307","President Lula himself recognizes today that we stopped talking about comparisons prematurely, and this is doing us a lot of harm, because anything that falls into our lap ends up without a comparison.",1618.14,1631.5,{"idx":1419,"utterance_id":1420,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1421,"start_s":1422,"end_s":1423,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},235,"170308","So, I agree with you on that.",1631.92,1633.68,{"idx":1425,"utterance_id":1426,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1427,"start_s":1428,"end_s":1429,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},236,"170309","Agrarian reform — we have resources.",1633.72,1635.5,{"idx":1431,"utterance_id":1432,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1433,"start_s":1434,"end_s":1435,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},237,"170310","We have been requesting them, including amendments.",1635.96,1637.88,{"idx":1437,"utterance_id":1438,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1439,"start_s":1440,"end_s":1441,"word_count":217,"indexable":14},238,"170311","Minister Paulo Teixeira has been speaking with us; I myself come from an agricultural state and from a state that has public areas, Union lands, areas that can be used for agrarian reform.",1638.54,1652.4,{"idx":1443,"utterance_id":1444,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1445,"start_s":1446,"end_s":1447,"word_count":49,"indexable":14},239,"170312","We need to end this fuss of polarization — as if it were either family farming or agribusiness, or agrarian reform or agribusiness — as if it couldn't be both.",1653.56,1662.46,{"idx":1449,"utterance_id":1450,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1451,"start_s":1452,"end_s":1453,"word_count":119,"indexable":14},240,"170313","There are ways to find common ground, and both are fundamental for Brazil's development and growth.",1662.88,1667.24,{"idx":1455,"utterance_id":1456,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1457,"start_s":1458,"end_s":1459,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},241,"170314","So Minister Paulo Teixeira can later speak more authoritatively on the matter, but he has a plan — not only to expropriate land, but to buy land and use public areas for the purposes of agrarian reform.",1667.68,1681.44,{"idx":1461,"utterance_id":1462,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1463,"start_s":1464,"end_s":1465,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},242,"170315","So it is happening and I think it is important.",1681.46,1684.1,{"idx":1467,"utterance_id":1468,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1469,"start_s":1470,"end_s":1471,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},243,"170316","I don't remember what the first question was.",1684.5,1686.98,{"idx":1473,"utterance_id":1474,"speaker_name":25,"text":1475,"start_s":1476,"end_s":1477,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},244,"170317","About MEI.",1687.8,1688.18,{"idx":1479,"utterance_id":1480,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1481,"start_s":1482,"end_s":1483,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},245,"170318","The MEI.",1689.14,1689.56,{"idx":1485,"utterance_id":1486,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1487,"start_s":1488,"end_s":1489,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},246,"170319","It depends; I don't remember who asked, Canon, right?",1690.72,1693.46,{"idx":1491,"utterance_id":1492,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1493,"start_s":1494,"end_s":1495,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},247,"170320","Who asked the question.",1694.42,1695.26,{"idx":1497,"utterance_id":1498,"speaker_name":25,"text":1499,"start_s":1500,"end_s":1501,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},248,"170321","It was him.",1695.3,1695.68,{"idx":1503,"utterance_id":1504,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1505,"start_s":1506,"end_s":1507,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},249,"170322","Yes, Canon asked the question.",1696.36,1697.64,{"idx":1509,"utterance_id":1510,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1511,"start_s":1512,"end_s":1513,"word_count":161,"indexable":14},250,"170323","Again, it's possible; Congress just has to find another source to compensate, but that reminds me — this question is very important.",1697.92,1706.56,{"idx":1515,"utterance_id":1516,"speaker_name":25,"text":1517,"start_s":1518,"end_s":1519,"word_count":167,"indexable":14},251,"170324","Let's clarify better, Minister: is it the limit? I didn't understand — is he saying it's the person's revenue limit to be classified as MEI?",1706.58,1716.02,{"idx":1521,"utterance_id":1522,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1523,"start_s":1524,"end_s":1525,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},252,"170325","About MEI, increasing that limit.",1716.04,1719.38,{"idx":1527,"utterance_id":1528,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1529,"start_s":1530,"end_s":1531,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},253,"170326","Yes, and increasing the exemption, therefore, from contributions.",1719.4,1722.94,{"idx":1533,"utterance_id":1534,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1535,"start_s":1536,"end_s":1537,"word_count":86,"indexable":14},254,"170327","He doesn't have to pay into the social security system, doesn't have to pay taxes, because he pays a small fixed monthly amount, because he is considered an MEI.",1722.98,1732.1,{"idx":1539,"utterance_id":1540,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1541,"start_s":1542,"end_s":1543,"word_count":211,"indexable":14},255,"170328","If I increase that annual gross turnover... to extend MEI to other people who have a higher annual gross turnover, I need to compensate that revenue loss in some other way.",1732.54,1748.5,{"idx":1545,"utterance_id":1546,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1547,"start_s":1548,"end_s":1549,"word_count":263,"indexable":14},256,"170329","But the important thing about his question, which I think is a discussion we must have with great calm, expertise and balance, is: what is the profile today of our worker and of our entrepreneur?",1749.34,1764.54,{"idx":1551,"utterance_id":1552,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1553,"start_s":1554,"end_s":1555,"word_count":88,"indexable":14},257,"170330","What do Brazilian youth, what does the Brazilian worker want today?",1764.98,1768.44,{"idx":1557,"utterance_id":1558,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1559,"start_s":1560,"end_s":1561,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},258,"170331","Even if we might say, \"oh, I don't agree.\"",1768.8,1771.6,{"idx":1563,"utterance_id":1564,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1565,"start_s":1566,"end_s":1567,"word_count":93,"indexable":14},259,"170332","So that we can make public policies in a more targeted way.",1772.3,1777.32,{"idx":1569,"utterance_id":1570,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1571,"start_s":1572,"end_s":1573,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},260,"170333","This is what we are working on.",1777.4,1780.04,{"idx":1575,"utterance_id":1576,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1577,"start_s":1578,"end_s":1579,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},261,"170334","Including, Tereza, Daphne and Marcelo, and I've been hammering on this point: the calm and balanced discussion about ending the 6x1 schedule.",1780.18,1789.5,{"idx":1581,"utterance_id":1582,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1583,"start_s":1584,"end_s":1585,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},262,"170335","Which is an important agenda item.",1791.48,1793.74,{"idx":1587,"utterance_id":1588,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1589,"start_s":1590,"end_s":1591,"word_count":43,"indexable":14},263,"170336","Also recalling why today young people and workers no longer want a formal employment contract.",1794.48,1799.7,{"idx":1593,"utterance_id":1594,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1595,"start_s":1596,"end_s":1597,"word_count":217,"indexable":14},264,"170337","I know it's a complex topic, it could fill an entire episode of Bom Dia 247, but I think Cânion raised this issue which allows us to work on it with great responsibility.",1799.72,1811.06,{"idx":1599,"utterance_id":1600,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1601,"start_s":1602,"end_s":1603,"word_count":430,"indexable":14},265,"170338","The time is coming, or has perhaps already passed, for us to understand what the Brazilian worker wants today, what the young person entering the market wants, what this generation aged 35 and under wants, because today they prefer to leave the formal market and move into informality, because they don't find what they aspire to within the employment relationship that exists today.",1811.08,1838.06,{"idx":1605,"utterance_id":1606,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1607,"start_s":1608,"end_s":1609,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},266,"170339","So they prefer to work fewer days from Monday to Friday, or from Monday to Thursday.",1838.32,1842.7,{"idx":1611,"utterance_id":1612,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1613,"start_s":1614,"end_s":1615,"word_count":183,"indexable":14},267,"170340","And sometimes even earn a little less, but have quality of life, more time for the family, be able to go out with friends on the weekend.",1843.6,1850.3,{"idx":1617,"utterance_id":1618,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1619,"start_s":1620,"end_s":1621,"word_count":235,"indexable":14},268,"170341","So, within this very broad process, and we will not discuss it now, I think in a mature and balanced way I... volunteer to talk about it, and I have been saying this to the productive sector.",1850.58,1861.74,{"idx":1623,"utterance_id":1624,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1625,"start_s":1626,"end_s":1627,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},269,"170342","When I gave an interview — I can't mention other channels here so as not to do promotion — I was speaking with a major journalist; I said this on a nationwide broadcast.",1862.06,1871.04,{"idx":1629,"utterance_id":1630,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1631,"start_s":1632,"end_s":1633,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},270,"170343","It's time for us to discuss, to re-discuss, the 6x1 schedule.",1871.06,1874.76,{"idx":1635,"utterance_id":1636,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1637,"start_s":1638,"end_s":1639,"word_count":93,"indexable":14},271,"170344","If it's not possible to do 4x3, we can talk about 5x2.",1875.4,1878.5,{"idx":1641,"utterance_id":1642,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1643,"start_s":1644,"end_s":1645,"word_count":573,"indexable":14},272,"170345","That we can talk about 5x2, and perhaps not overnight, but start with large companies; small ones sometimes don't have the capacity — for example, if they have two or three employees, they can't implement a five-by-two schedule for the employee — but large companies can do it, and do it in a balanced way, factoring it into their accounts, instead of saying \"ah, this will take away, will reduce Brazil's GDP, we'll go into recession\", as I've already seen.",1879.68,1915.74,{"idx":1647,"utterance_id":1648,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1649,"start_s":1650,"end_s":1651,"word_count":484,"indexable":14},273,"170346","People are saying — sorry for just putting elements on the table — but it's our moment; President Lula's government has now entered the process, the president spoke on nationwide broadcast; Marcelo recently said it's time we responsibly discuss ending the six-by-one schedule, and that's it: with balance, without prejudices or preconceptions, so that we can advance and show employers themselves that they will gain from this, not only the worker.",1916.16,1944.78,{"idx":1653,"utterance_id":1654,"speaker_name":25,"text":1655,"start_s":1656,"end_s":1657,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},274,"170347","Well, Minister, your sound went off, your microphone turned off by itself.",1946.3,1951.5,{"idx":1659,"utterance_id":1660,"speaker_name":25,"text":1661,"start_s":1662,"end_s":1663,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},275,"170348","You have no sound, okay?",1952.44,1953.88,{"idx":1665,"utterance_id":1666,"speaker_name":25,"text":1667,"start_s":1668,"end_s":1669,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},276,"170349","Let me take advantage of the fact that you brought up the 6x1.",1955.14,1957.34,{"idx":1671,"utterance_id":1672,"speaker_name":25,"text":1673,"start_s":1674,"end_s":1675,"word_count":233,"indexable":14},277,"170350","Yesterday I was at Chorinho at Praça São Salvador here in Laranjeiras and I met the embroiderers, those who do Rio-style embroidery — I even sent it to Daphne, if she wants to show the image — the 6x1 badges.",1957.88,1974.62,{"idx":1677,"utterance_id":1678,"speaker_name":25,"text":1679,"start_s":1680,"end_s":1681,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},278,"170351","It's an idea that took hold in society; it really took off.",1975.4,1979.1,{"idx":1683,"utterance_id":1684,"speaker_name":25,"text":1685,"start_s":1686,"end_s":1687,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},279,"170352","Now, it will generate discussion.",1979.18,1981.34,{"idx":209,"utterance_id":1689,"speaker_name":25,"text":1690,"start_s":1691,"end_s":1692,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},"170353","How will it generate discussion?",1981.54,1982.96,{"idx":1694,"utterance_id":1695,"speaker_name":25,"text":1696,"start_s":1697,"end_s":1698,"word_count":35,"indexable":14},281,"170354","The issue there is in your planning area: what will happen to the pension system with urbanization and self-employed workers who are not under CLT, who don't pay into social security, and so on.",1983.42,2001.44,{"idx":1700,"utterance_id":1701,"speaker_name":25,"text":1702,"start_s":1703,"end_s":1704,"word_count":31,"indexable":14},282,"170355","This will have an effect.",2001.88,2002.94,{"idx":1706,"utterance_id":1707,"speaker_name":25,"text":1708,"start_s":1709,"end_s":1710,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},283,"170356","On the network of retirees and it will affect future retirees.",2003.64,2009.16,{"idx":1712,"utterance_id":1713,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1714,"start_s":1715,"end_s":1716,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},284,"170357","How do we solve this problem?",2009.74,2013.12,{"idx":1718,"utterance_id":1719,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1720,"start_s":1721,"end_s":1722,"word_count":31,"indexable":14},285,"170358","Well, Marcelo, perfect.",2013.14,2014.48,{"idx":1724,"utterance_id":1725,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1726,"start_s":1727,"end_s":1728,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},286,"170359","That leads me to put another thing on the fundamental agenda.",2014.66,2018.12,{"idx":1730,"utterance_id":1731,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1732,"start_s":1733,"end_s":1734,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},287,"170360","And we've already been discussing planning for some time here in today's conversation on Bom Dia 247.",2018.82,2025.14,{"idx":1736,"utterance_id":1737,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1738,"start_s":1739,"end_s":1740,"word_count":137,"indexable":14},288,"170361","Because the Ministry of Planning and Budget says that I have two ministries: the one of the present and the one of the future.",2025.62,2030.62,{"idx":1742,"utterance_id":1743,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1744,"start_s":1745,"end_s":1746,"word_count":131,"indexable":14},289,"170362","The present one is how to pay for breakfast, lunch and dinner, which is the budget.",2030.94,2034.68,{"idx":1748,"utterance_id":1749,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1750,"start_s":1751,"end_s":1752,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},290,"170363","How to solve the problem today?",2035.2,2036.54,{"idx":1754,"utterance_id":1755,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1756,"start_s":1757,"end_s":1758,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},291,"170364","How not to let the patient die?",2037.28,2039.28,{"idx":1760,"utterance_id":1761,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1762,"start_s":1763,"end_s":1764,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},292,"170365","Which is all of us, Brazilian citizens.",2039.64,2041.86,{"idx":1766,"utterance_id":1767,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1768,"start_s":1769,"end_s":1770,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},293,"170366","This is my responsibility as Minister of the Budget.",2042,2044.28,{"idx":1772,"utterance_id":1773,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1774,"start_s":1775,"end_s":1776,"word_count":195,"indexable":14},294,"170367","There must not be a lack of money for public policies, while at the same time I cannot spend more than I collect, otherwise interest rates are impacted and inflation follows.",2044.32,2052.96,{"idx":1778,"utterance_id":1779,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1780,"start_s":1781,"end_s":1782,"word_count":88,"indexable":14},295,"170368","And inflation is the worst tax for the poorest.",2053.2,2055.8,{"idx":1784,"utterance_id":1785,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1786,"start_s":1787,"end_s":1788,"word_count":150,"indexable":14},296,"170369","But at the same time, this is something we've been doing since President Lula's first day in office: planning the future.",2056.1,2061.18,{"idx":1790,"utterance_id":1791,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1792,"start_s":1793,"end_s":1794,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},297,"170370","What will Brazil be like in 2030?",2061.58,2063.58,{"idx":1796,"utterance_id":1797,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1798,"start_s":1799,"end_s":1800,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},298,"170371","Brazil in 2035.",2064.06,2065.7,{"idx":1802,"utterance_id":1803,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1804,"start_s":1805,"end_s":1806,"word_count":263,"indexable":14},299,"170372","So, among other things, this year President Lula will deliver the Brazil 2050 strategy — what Brazil we will have in the coming years — based on studies by IBGE, based on the work of IPEA, and listening to Brazilian society.",2065.96,2081.56,{"idx":1808,"utterance_id":1809,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1810,"start_s":1811,"end_s":1812,"word_count":189,"indexable":14},300,"170373","It's a strategy that brings, among other things — and I'll go straight to your observation, Marcelo — under one of the umbrellas, and there are four major themes: the issue of demography.",2081.94,2094.28,{"idx":1814,"utterance_id":1815,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1816,"start_s":1817,"end_s":1818,"word_count":217,"indexable":14},301,"170374","Today we are 210 million Brazilians; we will still grow a bit before stopping growth — we'll be 220 in 2040, '42, and then we'll fall, but with an alarming fact: Brazil is aging... badly.",2094.86,2112.82,{"idx":1820,"utterance_id":1821,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1822,"start_s":1823,"end_s":1824,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},302,"170375","Because Brazil is aging before becoming rich as a nation.",2113.34,2117.14,{"idx":1826,"utterance_id":1827,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1828,"start_s":1829,"end_s":1830,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},303,"170376","Brazil is aging before distributing income.",2117.7,2120.64,{"idx":1832,"utterance_id":1833,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1834,"start_s":1835,"end_s":1836,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},304,"170377","Brazil is aging before achieving a high GDP per capita.",2120.7,2124.62,{"idx":1838,"utterance_id":1839,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1840,"start_s":1841,"end_s":1842,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},305,"170378","We often say, \"oh, Brazil's GDP grew 3%.\"",2124.92,2128.16,{"idx":1844,"utterance_id":1845,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1846,"start_s":1847,"end_s":1848,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},306,"170379","Great.",2128.6,2129.02,{"idx":1850,"utterance_id":1851,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1852,"start_s":1853,"end_s":1854,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},307,"170380","Three — two consecutive years; that hadn't happened in many years.",2129.6,2134.42,{"idx":1856,"utterance_id":1857,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1858,"start_s":1859,"end_s":1860,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},308,"170381","But the important thing is, we need to have a GDP",2134.96,2138.26,{"idx":1862,"utterance_id":1863,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1864,"start_s":1865,"end_s":1866,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},309,"170382","per capita — that is, the individual wealth of each Brazilian citizen at European levels.",2138.6,2146,{"idx":1868,"utterance_id":1869,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1870,"start_s":1871,"end_s":1872,"word_count":31,"indexable":14},310,"170383","How do we do that?",2146.58,2147.74,{"idx":1874,"utterance_id":1875,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1876,"start_s":1877,"end_s":1878,"word_count":137,"indexable":14},311,"170384","So this 2050 strategy deals, among other things, even with preventing a new pension reform in the coming years.",2148.18,2156.82,{"idx":1880,"utterance_id":1881,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1882,"start_s":1883,"end_s":1884,"word_count":217,"indexable":14},312,"170385","So this strategy is being made with a lot of technical input, listening to all sectors of society; it was a year of work last year inside all the ministries of President Lula's government, listening to technical experts.",2157.24,2169.38,{"idx":1886,"utterance_id":1887,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1888,"start_s":1889,"end_s":1890,"word_count":49,"indexable":14},313,"170386","And now we are in every Brazilian state listening from the young to the elderly, from the unionist to the big entrepreneur; we are listening to society and will deliver the strategy",2169.44,2180.26,{"idx":1892,"utterance_id":1893,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1894,"start_s":1895,"end_s":1896,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},314,"170387","of the Brazil we want in the coming years.",2180.52,2182.44,{"idx":1898,"utterance_id":1899,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1900,"start_s":1901,"end_s":1902,"word_count":189,"indexable":14},315,"170388","And this issue you pointed out appears in the questionnaires, it appears in the responses, and it will appear in the form of solutions; it will appear in the form of suggestions.",2182.56,2194.76,{"idx":1904,"utterance_id":1905,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1906,"start_s":1907,"end_s":1908,"word_count":263,"indexable":14},316,"170389","I still can't speak about it because the work isn't finished, a lot is being designed and discussed, but among other things the question of productivity is raised and understanding the new concept of productivity for our young people and our workers.",2195.12,2210.9,{"idx":1910,"utterance_id":1911,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1912,"start_s":1913,"end_s":1914,"word_count":312,"indexable":14},317,"170390","For us to have a doubled GDP — that is, if an individual's GDP per capita is around 3,000 reais a month, and we want to double that to 5,800, to 6,000 — we need, among other things, and this is proven, to increase the time",2211.2,2228.56,{"idx":1916,"utterance_id":1917,"speaker_name":25,"text":1918,"start_s":1919,"end_s":1920,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},318,"170391","the years...",2229.14,2229.96,{"idx":1922,"utterance_id":1923,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1924,"start_s":1925,"end_s":1926,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},319,"170392","that our children and young people spend in school.",2230.42,2233.06,{"idx":1928,"utterance_id":1929,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1930,"start_s":1931,"end_s":1932,"word_count":62,"indexable":14},320,"170393","Increase to 13 and a half years, whereas today we have something around 11 and a half, 12 years, and so on.",2233.4,2239.24,{"idx":1934,"utterance_id":1935,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1936,"start_s":1937,"end_s":1938,"word_count":117,"indexable":14},321,"170394","It's a lot; I won't dwell on it here, I'm monopolizing your time too much — we've been talking for some time — but we are addressing this demographic issue allied to the pension issue within this 2050 strategy.",2239.86,2255.88,{"idx":1940,"utterance_id":1941,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1942,"start_s":1943,"end_s":1944,"word_count":31,"indexable":14},322,"170395","In what way?",2256.72,2257.44,{"idx":1946,"utterance_id":1947,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1948,"start_s":1949,"end_s":1950,"word_count":150,"indexable":14},323,"170396","In the face of this precarization of labor relations, and also, on the other hand, of no longer being able to put the genie back in the lamp.",2257.54,2266.22,{"idx":1952,"utterance_id":1953,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1954,"start_s":1955,"end_s":1956,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},324,"170397","It is necessary to understand that young people have a new mentality regarding labor relations.",2266.82,2271.72,{"idx":1958,"utterance_id":1959,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1960,"start_s":1961,"end_s":1962,"word_count":131,"indexable":14},325,"170398","Again, Marcelo, we may agree or not, but this is a reality that must be faced by Brazilian society.",2271.76,2278.76,{"idx":1964,"utterance_id":1965,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1966,"start_s":1967,"end_s":1968,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},326,"170399","We must, first, guarantee dignity for that worker.",2279.12,2282.04,{"idx":1970,"utterance_id":1971,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1972,"start_s":1973,"end_s":1974,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},327,"170400","Second, try as much as possible to ensure that the worker wants to have a formal employment contract.",2283.26,2288.46,{"idx":1976,"utterance_id":1977,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1978,"start_s":1979,"end_s":1980,"word_count":137,"indexable":14},328,"170401","That's why it's a healthy, salubrious work environment, a 5x2 schedule — how are we going to guarantee quality in that labor relationship.",2288.74,2303.78,{"idx":1982,"utterance_id":1983,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1984,"start_s":1985,"end_s":1986,"word_count":150,"indexable":14},329,"170402","And on the other hand, for those who don't want to, how to guarantee legal certainty so that in old age they can have a retirement.",2304.06,2311.42,{"idx":1988,"utterance_id":1989,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1990,"start_s":1991,"end_s":1992,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},330,"170403","And finally, right?",2311.54,2312.14,{"idx":1994,"utterance_id":1995,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1996,"start_s":1997,"end_s":1998,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},331,"170404","that all of us can have retirement.",2312.52,2314.9,{"idx":2000,"utterance_id":2001,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2002,"start_s":2003,"end_s":2004,"word_count":371,"indexable":14},332,"170405","Because when we talk about the budget and ask why there is no money to build houses, why there is no money to build a highway, why there is no money to eliminate the backlog of social programs, we run up against the fact that the largest expenditure today of the federal government, the largest, indisputably and far ahead of the others, is with social security spending.",2315.22,2338.46,{"idx":2006,"utterance_id":2007,"speaker_name":25,"text":2008,"start_s":2009,"end_s":2010,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},333,"170406","Minister, wait, Marcelo, you've already asked.",2340.06,2342.74,{"idx":2012,"utterance_id":2013,"speaker_name":25,"text":2014,"start_s":2015,"end_s":2016,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},334,"170407","No, go ahead, it's for you.",2342.76,2343.76,{"idx":2018,"utterance_id":2019,"speaker_name":25,"text":2020,"start_s":2021,"end_s":2022,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},335,"170408","You're not monopolizing.",2343.78,2345.8,{"idx":2024,"utterance_id":2025,"speaker_name":25,"text":2026,"start_s":2027,"end_s":2028,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},336,"170409","No, Minister, you're here for us to really listen to you.",2345.84,2348.16,{"idx":2030,"utterance_id":2031,"speaker_name":25,"text":2032,"start_s":2033,"end_s":2034,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},337,"170410","This is what I'm going to do, a question, a provocation.",2349.02,2353.16,{"idx":2036,"utterance_id":2037,"speaker_name":25,"text":2038,"start_s":2039,"end_s":2040,"word_count":43,"indexable":14},338,"170411","You just said, the largest expenditure of the Brazilian government is with Social Security.",2353.8,2358.4,{"idx":2042,"utterance_id":2043,"speaker_name":25,"text":2044,"start_s":2045,"end_s":2046,"word_count":117,"indexable":14},339,"170412","And an expense that has grown a lot, the government itself is saying, is with... the BPC, Benefício de Prestação Continuada, which is not exactly social security, because it is that benefit paid to people who have not contributed: the elderly (65+) and people with disabilities.",2358.88,2379.42,{"idx":2048,"utterance_id":2049,"speaker_name":25,"text":2050,"start_s":2051,"end_s":2052,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},340,"170413","I'm repeating for the people in the community.",2379.44,2381.88,{"idx":2054,"utterance_id":2055,"speaker_name":25,"text":2056,"start_s":2057,"end_s":2058,"word_count":88,"indexable":14},341,"170414","who don't know how to differentiate, may not know how to differentiate the BPC from retirement.",2382.96,2387.94,{"idx":2060,"utterance_id":2061,"speaker_name":25,"text":2062,"start_s":2063,"end_s":2064,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},342,"170415","Because many people think it's the same thing.",2388.26,2390.4,{"idx":2066,"utterance_id":2067,"speaker_name":25,"text":2068,"start_s":2069,"end_s":2070,"word_count":86,"indexable":14},343,"170416","I see people saying the following: 'No, I don't pay into social security, when I'm 65 I'll get it anyway, right?'",2390.94,2397.52,{"idx":2072,"utterance_id":2073,"speaker_name":25,"text":2074,"start_s":2075,"end_s":2076,"word_count":125,"indexable":14},344,"170417","I say, no, you won't get it regardless, that is not a retirement, BPC is something else.",2397.94,2403,{"idx":2078,"utterance_id":2079,"speaker_name":25,"text":2080,"start_s":2081,"end_s":2082,"word_count":263,"indexable":14},345,"170418","The government can even change the amount, can reduce it, it may not be a minimum wage, it will not end it, but it can... change the amounts and the way it is granted, as you are trying to scrutinize, find irregularities and so on.",2403.34,2419.46,{"idx":2084,"utterance_id":2085,"speaker_name":25,"text":2086,"start_s":2087,"end_s":2088,"word_count":43,"indexable":14},346,"170419","Then another thing comes up, then you say, well, encourage people to have social security.",2420.34,2425.66,{"idx":2090,"utterance_id":2091,"speaker_name":25,"text":2092,"start_s":2093,"end_s":2094,"word_count":137,"indexable":14},347,"170420","And, recently, we saw the category of app drivers refuse President Lula's proposal to make them part of the social security system, so to speak.",2426.48,2440.76,{"idx":2096,"utterance_id":2097,"speaker_name":25,"text":2098,"start_s":2099,"end_s":2100,"word_count":131,"indexable":14},348,"170421","that proposal by which they would pay something quite small, a small contribution, so that they could have Social Security.",2441.84,2450.06,{"idx":2102,"utterance_id":2103,"speaker_name":25,"text":2104,"start_s":2105,"end_s":2106,"word_count":31,"indexable":14},349,"170422","And they did not want it.",2450.82,2451.74,{"idx":2108,"utterance_id":2109,"speaker_name":25,"text":2110,"start_s":2111,"end_s":2112,"word_count":43,"indexable":14},350,"170423","We ourselves, everyone uses one of those cars at one time or another, or always.",2451.98,2458.7,{"idx":2114,"utterance_id":2115,"speaker_name":25,"text":2116,"start_s":2117,"end_s":2118,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},351,"170424","I talked to many and they really didn't want it.",2459.16,2462.72,{"idx":2120,"utterance_id":2121,"speaker_name":25,"text":2122,"start_s":2123,"end_s":2124,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},352,"170425","No, we don't want that, no.",2463.06,2465.32,{"idx":2126,"utterance_id":2127,"speaker_name":25,"text":2128,"start_s":2129,"end_s":2130,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},353,"170426","And the government even withdrew the bill from Congress.",2466.66,2469.64,{"idx":2132,"utterance_id":2133,"speaker_name":25,"text":2134,"start_s":2135,"end_s":2136,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},354,"170427","So I ask you, what will be the future of LOAS?",2470.12,2472.94,{"idx":2138,"utterance_id":2139,"speaker_name":25,"text":2140,"start_s":2141,"end_s":2142,"word_count":131,"indexable":14},355,"170428","Because all those people who don't want to pay into Social Security today will in the future want to lean on LOAS.",2473.72,2480.08,{"idx":2144,"utterance_id":2145,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2146,"start_s":2147,"end_s":2148,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},356,"170429","Well, I think this question is very important.",2481.88,2484.6,{"idx":2150,"utterance_id":2151,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2152,"start_s":2153,"end_s":2154,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},357,"170430","I'll give a number, and this number is real.",2484.62,2486.84,{"idx":2156,"utterance_id":2157,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2158,"start_s":2159,"end_s":2160,"word_count":297,"indexable":14},358,"170431","Today, roughly, with some decimals, when we talk about Bolsa Família, to compare with the BPC and compare expenditures, when we talk about Bolsa Família we have approximately 20 million families who need it and are beneficiaries of Bolsa Família, and this costs, for the Brazilian budget, R$160 billion.",2487.88,2508.88,{"idx":2162,"utterance_id":2163,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2164,"start_s":2165,"end_s":2166,"word_count":137,"indexable":14},359,"170432","So, 20 million people cost... in a good sense, this cost is our obligation, no one is disputing, R$160 billion.",2508.92,2518.4,{"idx":2168,"utterance_id":2169,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2170,"start_s":2171,"end_s":2172,"word_count":189,"indexable":14},360,"170433","The BPC benefits only, just for numerical purposes—I'm putting that 'only' there—the BPC benefits only 6 million, therefore one third, and costs, for all of us, R$100 billion.",2519.42,2535.18,{"idx":2174,"utterance_id":2175,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2176,"start_s":2177,"end_s":2178,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},361,"170434","So the problem is, first, this disproportionality.",2536.94,2540.8,{"idx":2180,"utterance_id":2181,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2182,"start_s":2183,"end_s":2184,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},362,"170435","that it has to be paid, if it is fair.",2541.58,2543.72,{"idx":2186,"utterance_id":2187,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2188,"start_s":2189,"end_s":2190,"word_count":167,"indexable":14},363,"170436","To say, but that's the calculation, the criteria are different, Bolsa Família the amount is smaller, BPC the amount is larger, I'm not disputing that.",2543.8,2550.52,{"idx":2192,"utterance_id":2193,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2194,"start_s":2195,"end_s":2196,"word_count":257,"indexable":14},364,"170437","What I'm discussing is that, besides that, just by the large numbers, moreover the BPC has grown since the pandemic... when it was self-declaratory, I used to say, because no one could go to Social Security offices, I voted against people having to go to Social Security.",2550.8,2565.5,{"idx":2198,"utterance_id":2199,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2200,"start_s":2201,"end_s":2202,"word_count":161,"indexable":14},365,"170438","Because I used to say, it's a pandemic, if I have the right to stay at home, working from home, how could I say?",2565.52,2570,{"idx":2204,"utterance_id":2205,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2206,"start_s":2207,"end_s":2208,"word_count":233,"indexable":14},366,"170439","For a person on the autism spectrum, for a person who is 65 years old, who is more likely to catch the Covid virus, that they have to go to the INSS to say they are alive in order to continue receiving the BPC.",2570.32,2584.08,{"idx":2210,"utterance_id":2211,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2212,"start_s":2213,"end_s":2214,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},367,"170440","So I myself voted against that review.",2584.24,2587.8,{"idx":2216,"utterance_id":2217,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2218,"start_s":2219,"end_s":2220,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},368,"170441","which had to be done back then.",2588.22,2589.74,{"idx":2222,"utterance_id":2223,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2224,"start_s":2225,"end_s":2226,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},369,"170442","But the pandemic ended a long time ago.",2590.08,2591.98,{"idx":2228,"utterance_id":2229,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2230,"start_s":2231,"end_s":2232,"word_count":125,"indexable":14},370,"170443","So this issue of self-declaration and of reviewing the BPC every 24 months is very necessary.",2592.16,2601.1,{"idx":2234,"utterance_id":2235,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2236,"start_s":2237,"end_s":2238,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},371,"170444","That is to say, what is this?",2601.12,2602.04,{"idx":2240,"utterance_id":2241,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2242,"start_s":2243,"end_s":2244,"word_count":137,"indexable":14},372,"170445","Me, every 24 months, every two years, saying 'I'm alive, therefore I have to continue receiving the BPC.'",2602.4,2608.14,{"idx":2246,"utterance_id":2247,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2248,"start_s":2249,"end_s":2250,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},373,"170446","Which has a lot of fraud there.",2608.72,2609.92,{"idx":2252,"utterance_id":2253,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2254,"start_s":2255,"end_s":2256,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},374,"170447","The growth was exponential, Tereza.",2610.28,2612.36,{"idx":2258,"utterance_id":2259,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2260,"start_s":2261,"end_s":2262,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},375,"170448","So, one way not to have to do a pension reform in Brazil is... to continue responsibly reviewing expenditures.",2612.52,2621.2,{"idx":2264,"utterance_id":2265,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2266,"start_s":2267,"end_s":2268,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},376,"170449","Who is entitled to Bolsa Família?",2621.54,2624.14,{"idx":2270,"utterance_id":2271,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2272,"start_s":2273,"end_s":2274,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},377,"170450","Those people, they will continue receiving it.",2624.28,2626.24,{"idx":2276,"utterance_id":2277,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2278,"start_s":2279,"end_s":2280,"word_count":217,"indexable":14},378,"170451","From the previous government to this year, in the first year, we removed something around—now I don't remember if it was R$12 billion worth—of people who should not have been in Bolsa Família.",2626.62,2637.96,{"idx":2282,"utterance_id":2283,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2284,"start_s":2285,"end_s":2286,"word_count":88,"indexable":14},379,"170452","A councilman's son, people who were merchants and so on who were in it.",2638.08,2642.86,{"idx":2288,"utterance_id":2289,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2290,"start_s":2291,"end_s":2292,"word_count":31,"indexable":14},380,"170453","In Bolsa Família.",2643.24,2644.12,{"idx":2294,"utterance_id":2295,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2296,"start_s":2297,"end_s":2298,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},381,"170454","Likewise, the BPC.",2644.42,2645.8,{"idx":2300,"utterance_id":2301,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2302,"start_s":2303,"end_s":2304,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},382,"170455","Why is there such a large growth of the BPC?",2646.34,2649.06,{"idx":2306,"utterance_id":2307,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2308,"start_s":2309,"end_s":2310,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},383,"170456","And by the way, it's not the elderly BPC, huh?",2649.2,2652.4,{"idx":2312,"utterance_id":2313,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2314,"start_s":2315,"end_s":2316,"word_count":119,"indexable":14},384,"170457","The elderly BPC, you could say the following: people are aging, the Brazilian population is aging.",2652.88,2657.94,{"idx":2318,"utterance_id":2319,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2320,"start_s":2321,"end_s":2322,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},385,"170458","What is growing above average is the disability BPC.",2658.34,2664.46,{"idx":2324,"utterance_id":2325,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2326,"start_s":2327,"end_s":2328,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},386,"170459","So, that person with a disability.",2664.92,2666.94,{"idx":2330,"utterance_id":2331,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2332,"start_s":2333,"end_s":2334,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},387,"170460","In other words, Brazil is experiencing more health problems to the point that it increases.",2667.22,2672.38,{"idx":2336,"utterance_id":2337,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2338,"start_s":2339,"end_s":2340,"word_count":353,"indexable":14},388,"170461","The BPC at this scale, then, this review of expenditures is being done with great rigor; it's not just by my ministry, it's by our ministry, the Ministry of Social Security, the Ministry of Finance, the Budget Execution Board, which is coordinated over at the Casa Civil, so that we can understand... Why this exponential increase in the BPC?",2672.94,2695.62,{"idx":2342,"utterance_id":2343,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2344,"start_s":2345,"end_s":2346,"word_count":189,"indexable":14},389,"170462","This is one of the ways for us to review expenditures even to eliminate the backlog at Social Security, even to put that money into public policies that are necessary.",2695.9,2703.86,{"idx":2348,"utterance_id":2349,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2350,"start_s":2351,"end_s":2352,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},390,"170463","So, all of this is being built.",2703.88,2706.02,{"idx":2354,"utterance_id":2355,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2356,"start_s":2357,"end_s":2358,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},391,"170464","Finally, Tereza, this discussion is being held internally.",2706.4,2711.52,{"idx":2360,"utterance_id":2361,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2362,"start_s":2363,"end_s":2364,"word_count":280,"indexable":14},392,"170465","Within the Ministry of Labor, which you asked me about regarding 'uberization' and Marcelo as well, within the 2050 strategy, in what way we will solve Brazil's social security problem so as not to need, in the next two or three years, a new Social Security reform.",2712.08,2728.92,{"idx":2366,"utterance_id":2367,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2368,"start_s":2369,"end_s":2370,"word_count":142,"indexable":14},393,"170466","This is being addressed; it's not a simple answer, it is being worked on with IPEA, which is our great... Institute of Applied Economic Research, based on data from IBGE, based on surveys conducted—that quick in-person survey you did, that survey you did on-site—we are also taking very seriously the surveys that IBGE constantly carries out.",2729.18,2754.32,{"idx":2372,"utterance_id":2373,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2374,"start_s":2375,"end_s":2376,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},394,"170467","The government is not idle on this matter and is seeking alternatives.",2754.64,2757.8,{"idx":2378,"utterance_id":2379,"speaker_name":25,"text":2380,"start_s":2381,"end_s":2382,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},395,"170468","Minister, first, I know that your advisory staff is watching.",2758.8,2761.94,{"idx":2384,"utterance_id":2385,"speaker_name":25,"text":2386,"start_s":2387,"end_s":2388,"word_count":119,"indexable":14},396,"170469","I ask that you copy the compliments that are being made to you here in the comments, there are several.",2762.7,2767.48,{"idx":2390,"utterance_id":2391,"speaker_name":25,"text":2392,"start_s":2393,"end_s":2394,"word_count":43,"indexable":14},397,"170470","As our time is running, I have two matters to address with you.",2769.22,2772.84,{"idx":2396,"utterance_id":2397,"speaker_name":25,"text":2398,"start_s":2399,"end_s":2400,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},398,"170471","I want to get to the subject of 2026 politics, but first I'll mention Trump.",2773.46,2779.3,{"idx":2402,"utterance_id":2403,"speaker_name":25,"text":2404,"start_s":2405,"end_s":2406,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},399,"170472","Rates are rising and, with that, it seems that Brazil will be able to export more.",2779.92,2785.7,{"idx":2408,"utterance_id":2409,"speaker_name":25,"text":2410,"start_s":2411,"end_s":2412,"word_count":93,"indexable":14},400,"170473","And then comes your target project of... what's it called?",2786.28,2793.08,{"idx":2414,"utterance_id":2415,"speaker_name":25,"text":2416,"start_s":2417,"end_s":2418,"word_count":31,"indexable":14},401,"170474","Tereza, help me out.",2793.52,2794.32,{"idx":2420,"utterance_id":2421,"speaker_name":25,"text":2422,"start_s":2423,"end_s":2424,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},402,"170475","Routes.",2794.5,2794.8,{"idx":2426,"utterance_id":2427,"speaker_name":25,"text":2422,"start_s":2428,"end_s":2429,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},403,"170476",2794.82,2797.54,{"idx":2431,"utterance_id":2432,"speaker_name":25,"text":2433,"start_s":2434,"end_s":2435,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},404,"170477","To reduce the cost of exporting.",2797.56,2800.06,{"idx":2437,"utterance_id":2438,"speaker_name":25,"text":2439,"start_s":2440,"end_s":2441,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},405,"170478","How is that project of yours going?",2802.18,2803.66,{"idx":2443,"utterance_id":2444,"speaker_name":25,"text":2445,"start_s":2446,"end_s":2447,"word_count":119,"indexable":14},406,"170479","And what is your view of this issue that we are experiencing worldwide with such a crazy Trump?",2804.02,2810.98,{"idx":2449,"utterance_id":2450,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2451,"start_s":2452,"end_s":2453,"word_count":31,"indexable":14},407,"170480","Well, here we go.",2812.42,2813.08,{"idx":2455,"utterance_id":2456,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2457,"start_s":2458,"end_s":2459,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},408,"170481","We are in a new world order.",2814,2815.54,{"idx":2461,"utterance_id":2462,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2463,"start_s":2464,"end_s":2465,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},409,"170482","I think the D in 'data' has never been so in demand.",2816.72,2822,{"idx":2467,"utterance_id":2468,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2469,"start_s":2470,"end_s":2471,"word_count":125,"indexable":14},410,"170483","Deglobalization, disinformation generating fake news, regional disintegration, because... although in the globalized world trade was done in blocs.",2822.56,2834.16,{"idx":2473,"utterance_id":2474,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2475,"start_s":2476,"end_s":2477,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},411,"170484","Take North America, they trade among themselves; 40% of trade is among them.",2834.24,2839.26,{"idx":2479,"utterance_id":2480,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2481,"start_s":2482,"end_s":2483,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},412,"170485","Only afterwards do they buy from Brazil.",2839.46,2840.84,{"idx":2485,"utterance_id":2486,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2487,"start_s":2488,"end_s":2489,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},413,"170486","Asia too, more than 58%.",2841.24,2843.14,{"idx":2491,"utterance_id":2492,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2493,"start_s":2494,"end_s":2495,"word_count":86,"indexable":14},414,"170487","China buys from India, which buys from Vietnam, which buys from Singapore, which buys from Japan and only afterwards buys from us.",2844.04,2849.34,{"idx":2497,"utterance_id":2498,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2499,"start_s":2500,"end_s":2501,"word_count":93,"indexable":14},415,"170488","Europe, then, is even more protectionist, but it's not because it wants to be protectionist.",2849.72,2852.96,{"idx":2503,"utterance_id":2504,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2505,"start_s":2506,"end_s":2507,"word_count":49,"indexable":14},416,"170489","It's because they're next to each other, it's natural, it's about making money, buying cheaper and selling cheaper to the population of your country.",2853.22,2859.42,{"idx":2509,"utterance_id":2510,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2511,"start_s":2512,"end_s":2513,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},417,"170490","Brazil and South America do not do that.",2859.8,2861.78,{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":131,"indexable":14},418,"170491","We have our backs turned to our South American brothers and our South American brothers have their backs turned to us.",2862.26,2868.38,{"idx":2521,"utterance_id":2522,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2523,"start_s":2524,"end_s":2525,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},419,"170492","I'm from a border state, I've said this here before.",2868.44,2870.4,{"idx":2527,"utterance_id":2528,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2529,"start_s":2530,"end_s":2531,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},420,"170493","So, the routes are aimed exactly at increasing that flow of trade.",2870.88,2877.26,{"idx":2533,"utterance_id":2534,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2535,"start_s":2536,"end_s":2537,"word_count":195,"indexable":14},421,"170494","between neighboring countries, first of all, and thereby lowering the cost of products that arrive in Brazil and lowering the cost of our products sold there to neighboring countries.",2877.62,2886.76,{"idx":2539,"utterance_id":2540,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2541,"start_s":2542,"end_s":2543,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},422,"170495","I give three very simple examples.",2887.08,2888.74,{"idx":2545,"utterance_id":2546,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2547,"start_s":2548,"end_s":2549,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},423,"170496","Bolivia has what Brazil needs.",2888.86,2890.48,{"idx":2551,"utterance_id":2552,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2553,"start_s":2554,"end_s":2555,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},424,"170497","Fertilizers so we can plant more cheaply and eat more cheaply.",2891.18,2894.54,{"idx":2557,"utterance_id":2558,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2559,"start_s":2560,"end_s":2561,"word_count":211,"indexable":14},425,"170498","It has lithium, that is, to strengthen our industries and allow our industries to stop only... making semi-processed products and start building in the field of technology.",2895.54,2907.98,{"idx":2563,"utterance_id":2564,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2565,"start_s":2566,"end_s":2567,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},426,"170499","And we have what Bolivia needs, which is food.",2908.72,2911.36,{"idx":2569,"utterance_id":2570,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2571,"start_s":2572,"end_s":2573,"word_count":144,"indexable":14},427,"170500","And so on, it applies to Chile, to Argentina, to Venezuela, to any South American country.",2912.06,2916.8,{"idx":2575,"utterance_id":2576,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2577,"start_s":2578,"end_s":2579,"word_count":119,"indexable":14},428,"170501","But trade in South America among us amounts to only 15% of our trade.",2917.38,2924.48,{"idx":2581,"utterance_id":2582,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2583,"start_s":2584,"end_s":2585,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},429,"170502","So, we have... We can double our production.",2924.5,2928.16,{"idx":2587,"utterance_id":2588,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2589,"start_s":2590,"end_s":2591,"word_count":119,"indexable":14},430,"170503","Brazil has 200 million Brazilians and South America has 200 million South Americans.",2928.3,2932.98,{"idx":2593,"utterance_id":2594,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2595,"start_s":2596,"end_s":2597,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},431,"170504","So, we have another Brazil on our side.",2933.3,2935.68,{"idx":2599,"utterance_id":2600,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2601,"start_s":2602,"end_s":2603,"word_count":119,"indexable":14},432,"170505","And South America has another South America within Brazil, in terms of population.",2936.2,2941.22,{"idx":2605,"utterance_id":2606,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2607,"start_s":2608,"end_s":2609,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},433,"170506","So, what was missing?",2941.98,2943.64,{"idx":2611,"utterance_id":2612,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2613,"start_s":2614,"end_s":2615,"word_count":43,"indexable":14},434,"170507","A plan, a South American integration route, a bridge, a highway, customs, border security.",2943.74,2951.06,{"idx":2617,"utterance_id":2618,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2619,"start_s":2620,"end_s":2621,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},435,"170508","Sometimes, small things were missing.",2951.08,2952.48,{"idx":2623,"utterance_id":2624,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2625,"start_s":2626,"end_s":2627,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},436,"170509","They were missing.",2952.56,2953.24,{"idx":2629,"utterance_id":2630,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2631,"start_s":2632,"end_s":2633,"word_count":93,"indexable":14},437,"170510","Marcelo, they aren't missing anymore, because your question is, how is it going?",2954.1,2957.36,{"idx":2635,"utterance_id":2636,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2637,"start_s":2638,"end_s":2639,"word_count":353,"indexable":14},438,"170511","President Lula gives five routes; he can already inaugurate route two this year, and he will inaugurate route two, which is on the Peru side, over there in Colombia, to be able to export via the port that China built in Peru, and with that connect Brazil to China more quickly, with less time.",2957.72,2978.3,{"idx":2641,"utterance_id":2642,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2643,"start_s":2644,"end_s":2645,"word_count":195,"indexable":14},439,"170512","and with a shorter distance, we will reduce by at least 10,000 kilometers our maritime distance between Brazil and our largest trading partner, which is China.",2978.7,2991.74,{"idx":2647,"utterance_id":2648,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2649,"start_s":2650,"end_s":2651,"word_count":161,"indexable":14},440,"170513","So, products will arrive faster and cheaper in China, so China will buy more from Brazil and vice versa.",2992.1,2999.14,{"idx":2653,"utterance_id":2654,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2655,"start_s":2656,"end_s":2657,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},441,"170514","So, that means job and income generation, in the same way regarding the other routes.",2999.18,3005.16,{"idx":2659,"utterance_id":2660,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2661,"start_s":2662,"end_s":2663,"word_count":49,"indexable":14},442,"170515","The route... and Route 5, President Lula will also inaugurate by the end, and one leg of Route 3 by the end of the term in 2026.",3006.46,3016.1,{"idx":2665,"utterance_id":2666,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2667,"start_s":2668,"end_s":2669,"word_count":211,"indexable":14},443,"170516","Bottom line, with this new world order established by President Trump's government, a nationalism which I don't believe will work, anyway, it only strengthens the importance of these routes.",3016.52,3031.78,{"idx":2671,"utterance_id":2672,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2673,"start_s":2674,"end_s":2675,"word_count":478,"indexable":14},444,"170517","Now, Saturday... actually, I will spend Mother's Day away from my mother and my daughters, but it's out of necessity, it's important; we would be accompanying President Lula on the trip to China, because there will be the China-CELAC meeting there, which is this integration of Latin American countries, and we will be going, because one of the topics to be addressed quickly, in a bilateral there with the ministers, is in relation to... the South American integration routes.",3031.84,3062.74,{"idx":2677,"utterance_id":2678,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2679,"start_s":2680,"end_s":2681,"word_count":233,"indexable":14},445,"170518","We had work, the week before last, if I'm not mistaken, of a visit by several Chinese ministers, together with our ministry and with two more ministries, Ministry of Transport, Chief of Staff's Office, about the possibility of building a large railway.",3063.06,3076.62,{"idx":2683,"utterance_id":2684,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2685,"start_s":2686,"end_s":2687,"word_count":269,"indexable":14},446,"170519","We are working, seeing the route, seeing the possibility of partnership, because Brazil doesn't have public capital, we don't have public money to invest in railways, because it's very expensive, and nor do we have in the national private sector sufficient investment; only national private investment is insufficient.",3076.66,3094.32,{"idx":2689,"utterance_id":2690,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2691,"start_s":2692,"end_s":2693,"word_count":460,"indexable":14},447,"170520","because we are talking about many tens of billions of reais, it's insufficient; we would also need foreign investment, whatever it may be, American, Chinese, European, to build railways in Brazil, which is also the way, again, to get the product cheaper, faster and, consequently, that is, to lower production costs and then, obviously, with that, lower the cost of our coffee, our meat, our grains, our food.",3094.6,3122.8,{"idx":2695,"utterance_id":2696,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2697,"start_s":2698,"end_s":2699,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},448,"170521","In supermarkets.",3124.12,3125.08,{"idx":2701,"utterance_id":2702,"speaker_name":25,"text":2703,"start_s":2704,"end_s":2705,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},449,"170522","I have here.",3127.88,3129.02,{"idx":2707,"utterance_id":2708,"speaker_name":25,"text":2709,"start_s":2710,"end_s":2711,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},450,"170523","the audience's reaction once again.",3129.08,3131.22,{"idx":2713,"utterance_id":2714,"speaker_name":25,"text":2715,"start_s":2716,"end_s":2717,"word_count":150,"indexable":14},451,"170524","Clemson Otero sends an e-mail to the government's economic area suggesting the portability of public debt credit to international financial institutions.",3131.42,3141.3,{"idx":2719,"utterance_id":2720,"speaker_name":25,"text":2721,"start_s":2722,"end_s":2723,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},452,"170525","Would that be feasible?",3141.4,3142.26,{"idx":2725,"utterance_id":2726,"speaker_name":25,"text":2727,"start_s":2728,"end_s":2729,"word_count":31,"indexable":14},453,"170526","A question from him.",3142.8,3143.92,{"idx":2731,"utterance_id":2732,"speaker_name":25,"text":2733,"start_s":2734,"end_s":2735,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},454,"170527","I would like to thank Silvana Lima, who supports us.",3144.42,3149.12,{"idx":2737,"utterance_id":2738,"speaker_name":25,"text":2739,"start_s":2740,"end_s":2741,"word_count":38,"indexable":14},455,"170528","Anselmo, Marcelo Valor.",3149.62,3151.22,{"idx":2743,"utterance_id":2744,"speaker_name":25,"text":2745,"start_s":2746,"end_s":2747,"word_count":49,"indexable":14},456,"170529","the day, hour, month, value of the day, hour, month of work is immediately valued in the change to the 6x1 schedule, both for formal and informal work.",3152.28,3162.72,{"idx":2749,"utterance_id":2750,"speaker_name":25,"text":2751,"start_s":2752,"end_s":2753,"word_count":49,"indexable":14},457,"170530","Thanks here to Marlene Ribas, to Gabor Gaspar, I don't know if I understood correctly, it can't be fixed quietly, with total transparency with the debt, good luck.",3163.66,3173.48,{"idx":2755,"utterance_id":2756,"speaker_name":25,"text":2757,"start_s":2758,"end_s":2759,"word_count":183,"indexable":14},458,"170531","And Claudia, who asks, senator, minister, today I retired as self-employed, why doesn't the Brazilian government clarify better about the advantages of contributing as self-employed?",3174.3,3187.3,{"idx":2761,"utterance_id":2762,"speaker_name":25,"text":2763,"start_s":2764,"end_s":2765,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},459,"170532","She 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content.",3207.06,3215.62,{"idx":2785,"utterance_id":2786,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2787,"start_s":2788,"end_s":2789,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},463,"170536","Yes, I take the opportunity to talk about everything.",3216.04,3217.64,{"idx":2791,"utterance_id":2792,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2793,"start_s":2794,"end_s":2795,"word_count":43,"indexable":14},464,"170537","And therefore, Claudio, you are correct, I think we need to start to scale it up, right?",3217.96,3222.12,{"idx":2797,"utterance_id":2798,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2799,"start_s":2800,"end_s":2801,"word_count":62,"indexable":14},465,"170538","Constant dripping wears away the stone, so it's like a child: we talk, talk, talk and keep educating from a very young age.",3222.52,3229,{"idx":2803,"utterance_id":2804,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2805,"start_s":2806,"end_s":2807,"word_count":217,"indexable":14},466,"170539","I think that's missing, I think financial education is missing inside schools as well, to teach from a young age how to spend money, what to do thinking about the future.",3229.28,3242.02,{"idx":2809,"utterance_id":2810,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2811,"start_s":2812,"end_s":2813,"word_count":150,"indexable":14},467,"170540","Brazil does not have a culture of planning and Brazil never has a culture of medium and long term in everything in life.",3242.36,3247.28,{"idx":2815,"utterance_id":2816,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2817,"start_s":2818,"end_s":2819,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},468,"170541","We are immediate, human beings in general are, but Brazilians even more so.",3247.44,3251.36,{"idx":2821,"utterance_id":2822,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2823,"start_s":2824,"end_s":2825,"word_count":318,"indexable":14},469,"170542","I know the world a little, making a bit of a comparison for N reasons that don't matter, historical, we didn't experience wars as, for example, Europe did, since I saw before coming in here that someone was talking about the Second World War, which will be 80 years, anyway.",3251.54,3268.64,{"idx":2827,"utterance_id":2828,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2829,"start_s":2830,"end_s":2831,"word_count":88,"indexable":14},470,"170543","So, I think that mass dissemination is important, you're right, Claudia.",3269.42,3273.46,{"idx":2833,"utterance_id":2834,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2835,"start_s":2836,"end_s":2837,"word_count":448,"indexable":14},471,"170544","And here I think we were wrong in general, we were making a lot of mistakes, now Sidonio came to revolutionize, I'm very satisfied with his work, I think it's... effects will start to appear, they have already started to appear, we are starting to get the content right, the form as well, the very way President Lula has been communicating, but we did err, we spent two years stalling and we are paying for it.",3273.76,3292.9,{"idx":2839,"utterance_id":2840,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2841,"start_s":2842,"end_s":2843,"word_count":211,"indexable":14},472,"170545","Again, just to speak once a week about Brazil in numbers, regarding GDP, the wage bill and such, and we'll see... how much we were mistaken about that.",3293.18,3304.2,{"idx":2845,"utterance_id":2846,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2847,"start_s":2848,"end_s":2849,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},473,"170546","Anselmo, I will pass along this suggestion, is that possible?",3304.5,3306.64,{"idx":2851,"utterance_id":2852,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2853,"start_s":2854,"end_s":2855,"word_count":353,"indexable":14},474,"170547","He asked about the issue of public debt, to financial institutions, it's possible; we would need to see what the project is, again, as it is an issue that goes through the Ministry of Finance, I will pass this question to them, which obviously is a more complex subject and involves a whole technical work by the Ministry's team.",3306.7,3323.78,{"idx":2857,"utterance_id":2858,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2859,"start_s":2860,"end_s":2861,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},475,"170548","I don't remember what Clemerson asked.",3324,3326.68,{"idx":2863,"utterance_id":2864,"speaker_name":25,"text":2865,"start_s":2866,"end_s":2867,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},476,"170549","He said he sent an e-mail.",3327.94,3330.38,{"idx":2869,"utterance_id":2870,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2871,"start_s":2872,"end_s":2873,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},477,"170550","So, I don't remember what Anselmo asked me.",3330.92,3333.28,{"idx":2875,"utterance_id":2876,"speaker_name":25,"text":2877,"start_s":2878,"end_s":2879,"word_count":43,"indexable":14},478,"170551","Anselmo... Anselmo talked about the 6x1 schedule, but it was more for Marcelo here.",3333.84,3339.32,{"idx":2881,"utterance_id":2882,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2883,"start_s":2884,"end_s":2885,"word_count":74,"indexable":14},479,"170552","I would only raise one more theme in relation to 6x1.",3340.36,3342.44,{"idx":2887,"utterance_id":2888,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2889,"start_s":2890,"end_s":2891,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},480,"170553","If not for love, then for the wallet.",3344.38,3347.18,{"idx":2893,"utterance_id":2894,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2895,"start_s":2896,"end_s":2897,"word_count":353,"indexable":14},481,"170554","I really believe that, done intelligently... and phased, no one will say overnight that they will end six for one, but starting next year in stages, we will have gains for the companies themselves and gains in GDP, this kind of thing that would otherwise negatively impact GDP.",3347.94,3366.7,{"idx":2899,"utterance_id":2900,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2901,"start_s":2902,"end_s":2903,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},482,"170555","Look at the amount of money we will stop spending on mental health,",3367.14,3371.88,{"idx":2905,"utterance_id":2906,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2907,"start_s":2908,"end_s":2909,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},483,"170556","on public health, on medicine at the clinic, on surgeries, on transport, on pollution.",3372.34,3378.88,{"idx":2911,"utterance_id":2912,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2913,"start_s":2914,"end_s":2915,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},484,"170557","So, put the numbers on paper.",3379.26,3382.24,{"idx":2917,"utterance_id":2918,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2919,"start_s":2920,"end_s":2921,"word_count":183,"indexable":14},485,"170558","IPEA is working on this, we have been working within the Ministry on this 6x1 issue, and now I think it will gain traction within the National Congress.",3382.36,3390.54,{"idx":2923,"utterance_id":2924,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2925,"start_s":2926,"end_s":2927,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},486,"170559","It will be a very fine debate, I think.",3390.56,3394.58,{"idx":2929,"utterance_id":2930,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2931,"start_s":2932,"end_s":2933,"word_count":100,"indexable":14},487,"170560","But, again, it's necessary to have... I would say intellectual honesty from all of us.",3394.66,3399.7,{"idx":2935,"utterance_id":2936,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2937,"start_s":2938,"end_s":2939,"word_count":389,"indexable":14},488,"170561","Everyone must keep an open mind; I'm saying this to the shopkeeper, I'm saying this to the business owner, I know for microenterprises too, who get worried, oh my, can I manage, I only have two employees, I have three employees, meaning you won't treat them all the same way; there are N ways to gradually do the process.",3400.38,3418.18,{"idx":2941,"utterance_id":2942,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2943,"start_s":2944,"end_s":2945,"word_count":167,"indexable":14},489,"170562","If we have the intelligence, right, Marcelo, to go to the Moon, and now talk about wanting to go to Mars, we have the conditions to have",3418.44,3425.44,{"idx":2947,"utterance_id":2948,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2949,"start_s":2950,"end_s":2951,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},490,"170563","intelligent, rational alternatives for simple matters like this.",3425.74,3430.38,{"idx":2953,"utterance_id":2954,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":2955,"start_s":2956,"end_s":2957,"word_count":167,"indexable":14},491,"170564","The big issue is, the world changed, our youth are different, our workers think differently and we have to follow these movements.",3431.06,3439,{"idx":2959,"utterance_id":2960,"speaker_name":25,"text":2961,"start_s":2962,"end_s":2963,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},492,"170565","Inês, you spoke about communications, look... Is it getting better?",3440.22,3444.58,{"idx":2965,"utterance_id":2966,"speaker_name":25,"text":2967,"start_s":2968,"end_s":2969,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},493,"170566","Now, it's necessary to change focus.",3444.94,3446.78,{"idx":2971,"utterance_id":2972,"speaker_name":25,"text":2973,"start_s":2974,"end_s":2975,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},494,"170567","For example, you mentioned social security.",3446.82,3448.22,{"idx":2977,"utterance_id":2978,"speaker_name":25,"text":2979,"start_s":2980,"end_s":2981,"word_count":137,"indexable":14},495,"170568","It's not just communicating about what the government is doing in the present, but about the things that already exist.",3449.16,3454.32,{"idx":2983,"utterance_id":2984,"speaker_name":25,"text":2985,"start_s":2986,"end_s":2987,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},496,"170569","So, someone mentioned the contribution as self-employed.",3454.36,3457.44,{"idx":2989,"utterance_id":2990,"speaker_name":25,"text":2991,"start_s":2992,"end_s":2993,"word_count":93,"indexable":14},497,"170570","Lula, in his first term, created this special regime where you pay only 11%.",3457.8,3461.72,{"idx":2995,"utterance_id":2996,"speaker_name":25,"text":2997,"start_s":2998,"end_s":2999,"word_count":119,"indexable":14},498,"170571","Few people in Brazil know this, they think it's 20%, because for being self-employed it's 20%.",3462.68,3467.5,{"idx":3001,"utterance_id":3002,"speaker_name":25,"text":3003,"start_s":3004,"end_s":3005,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},499,"170572","The alternative 11% rule, nobody knows about it.",3468.18,3472.1,{"idx":3007,"utterance_id":3008,"speaker_name":25,"text":3009,"start_s":3010,"end_s":3011,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},500,"170573","Why not run a campaign explaining it?",3472.44,3474.66,{"idx":3013,"utterance_id":3014,"speaker_name":25,"text":3015,"start_s":3016,"end_s":3017,"word_count":189,"indexable":14},501,"170574","You know, join social security, protect your future, your children's, if you need health assistance and everything else, and you can pay only 11%.",3475.02,3484.82,{"idx":3019,"utterance_id":3020,"speaker_name":25,"text":3021,"start_s":3022,"end_s":3023,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},502,"170575","This, for example, is not done, you know?",3485.14,3486.76,{"idx":3025,"utterance_id":3026,"speaker_name":25,"text":3027,"start_s":3028,"end_s":3029,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},503,"170576","But, and I also hope...",3487.34,3488.82,{"idx":3031,"utterance_id":3032,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3033,"start_s":3034,"end_s":3035,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},504,"170577","This is what social security should be doing; excuse me for changing the subject, but I know a bit about public law, I taught 12 years ago, including administrative process, administrative disciplinary process, right?",3489.54,3501.58,{"idx":3037,"utterance_id":3038,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3039,"start_s":3040,"end_s":3041,"word_count":353,"indexable":14},505,"170578","Tereza, this is the role that social security itself should be doing, it has resources for that, anyway, again, Claudia is right and you are right, I think I will even suggest to Sidone that we could do some advertising notices regarding this contribution with a more modest percentage.",3501.64,3520.88,{"idx":3043,"utterance_id":3044,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3045,"start_s":3046,"end_s":3047,"word_count":43,"indexable":14},506,"170579","This applies to the MEI, so it applies to the self-employed and to informal workers.",3521.16,3525.46,{"idx":3049,"utterance_id":3050,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3051,"start_s":3052,"end_s":3053,"word_count":43,"indexable":14},507,"170580","But it's important to make clear here regarding the issue of social security.",3526.08,3531.3,{"idx":3055,"utterance_id":3056,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3057,"start_s":3058,"end_s":3059,"word_count":131,"indexable":14},508,"170581","It is the federal government's obligation, it is the Union's obligation to reimburse those who were harmed by omission of the public authority.",3531.78,3542,{"idx":3061,"utterance_id":3062,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3063,"start_s":3064,"end_s":3065,"word_count":233,"indexable":14},509,"170582","There was an omission by the INSS regarding... There was a collusion by a part, albeit tiny, small, of INSS employees, the vast majority are correct, honest, hardworking people who serve the most vulnerable population with all love and care.",3542.06,3559.32,{"idx":3067,"utterance_id":3068,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3069,"start_s":3070,"end_s":3071,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},510,"170583","But no one... corruption on that scale, of 6 billion reais, happens without a chain linking from an operations and execution-level employee up to the directorate level within the INSS.",3559.7,3576.22,{"idx":3073,"utterance_id":3074,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3075,"start_s":3076,"end_s":3077,"word_count":235,"indexable":14},511,"170584","I would just like to remind you that this form of contribution appeared in 2019, therefore it was not in this government, but it was this government that decided to put its finger on the wound; the president said 'hurt whoever it hurts' when he found out.",3576.42,3589.74,{"idx":3079,"utterance_id":3080,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3081,"start_s":3082,"end_s":3083,"word_count":305,"indexable":14},512,"170585","Through the Federal Police, through the Controladoria Geral da União, he automatically ordered that the investigation take place; it happened within the necessary time, this is not a simple process, if you don't do the inquiry, if you don't do the investigation correctly, later the lawyer cancels the punishment",3590.34,3612.26,{"idx":3085,"utterance_id":3086,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3087,"start_s":3088,"end_s":3089,"word_count":389,"indexable":14},513,"170586","of those involved, alleging procedural vices, so it was done within the time the CGU needed to do, with evaluations, and today not only do we have the power, but we will punish those who are truly guilty, block assets, as will be done by the courts, illicit assets that were acquired illicitly, take them to auction, and also, this is the president's determination, find alternatives",3613.78,3640.9,{"idx":3091,"utterance_id":3092,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3093,"start_s":3094,"end_s":3095,"word_count":43,"indexable":14},514,"170587","for the restitution of those retirees who were harmed, who had contributions made that they did not authorize.",3641.76,3650.18,{"idx":3097,"utterance_id":3098,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3099,"start_s":3100,"end_s":3101,"word_count":119,"indexable":14},515,"170588","I think it's important that we also pass this message to all who are following us.",3650.24,3655.58,{"idx":3103,"utterance_id":3104,"speaker_name":25,"text":3105,"start_s":3106,"end_s":3107,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},516,"170589","Otávio, I know we have to close.",3656.08,3660.56,{"idx":3109,"utterance_id":3110,"speaker_name":25,"text":3111,"start_s":3112,"end_s":3113,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},517,"170590","We have already started the other program, Marcelo.",3660.6,3662.44,{"idx":3115,"utterance_id":3116,"speaker_name":25,"text":3117,"start_s":3118,"end_s":3119,"word_count":125,"indexable":14},518,"170591","I just wanted the minister, when saying goodbye, to give a clarification and then we'll go into details.",3662.46,3668.56,{"idx":3121,"utterance_id":3122,"speaker_name":25,"text":3123,"start_s":3124,"end_s":3125,"word_count":69,"indexable":14},519,"170592","No, she can't make that offer now, Marcelo.",3668.92,3672.96,{"idx":3127,"utterance_id":3128,"speaker_name":25,"text":3129,"start_s":3130,"end_s":3131,"word_count":112,"indexable":14},520,"170593","Wait, in '26 will you be a candidate for deputy, senator, governor or vice president?",3672.98,3679.92,{"idx":3133,"utterance_id":3134,"speaker_name":25,"text":3135,"start_s":3136,"end_s":3137,"word_count":23,"indexable":14},521,"170594","Just that.",3680.18,3680.62,{"idx":3139,"utterance_id":3140,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3141,"start_s":3142,"end_s":3143,"word_count":51,"indexable":14},522,"170595","Well, that's an easy one, right?",3682.06,3683.32,{"idx":3145,"utterance_id":3146,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3147,"start_s":3148,"end_s":3149,"word_count":57,"indexable":14},523,"170596","I will continue to be a candidate to serve Brazil.",3683.74,3685.96,{"idx":3151,"utterance_id":3152,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3153,"start_s":3154,"end_s":3155,"word_count":88,"indexable":14},524,"170597","I've already had many terms, I was already ready to go back home.",3687.04,3691.16,{"idx":3157,"utterance_id":3158,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3159,"start_s":3160,"end_s":3161,"word_count":88,"indexable":14},525,"170598","when I was called into this process to be Minister of Planning and Budget.",3691.98,3696.44,{"idx":3163,"utterance_id":3164,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3165,"start_s":3166,"end_s":3167,"word_count":81,"indexable":14},526,"170599","I am very happy with the space the president gives me.",3696.74,3699.14,{"idx":3169,"utterance_id":3170,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3171,"start_s":3172,"end_s":3173,"word_count":150,"indexable":14},527,"170600","This is a broad-front government that allows a minister who is from MDB to be taking care of the Brazilian budget.",3699.48,3705.72,{"idx":3175,"utterance_id":3176,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3177,"start_s":3178,"end_s":3179,"word_count":119,"indexable":14},528,"170601","Look at the trust the president gives me and I carry that with great responsibility and care.",3706.04,3711.42,{"idx":3181,"utterance_id":3182,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3183,"start_s":3184,"end_s":3185,"word_count":150,"indexable":14},529,"170602","The only thing I say, Marcelo, is not just out of consistency, it's out of justice, to recognize the work of the federal government.",3711.72,3718.92,{"idx":3187,"utterance_id":3188,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3189,"start_s":3190,"end_s":3191,"word_count":263,"indexable":14},530,"170603","for everything we went through in the process of the attempted democratic rupture, that regardless of where my party goes... My candidate for President of the Republic, if he runs, which I believe he will, is President Lula.",3721.02,3736.5,{"idx":3193,"utterance_id":3194,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3195,"start_s":3196,"end_s":3197,"word_count":217,"indexable":14},531,"170604","So, within that process, he asked me to remain minister until December 31, 2026. I'll stay, if he thinks it's important that I carry out some mission as a candidate for senator, and so on.",3736.82,3747.8,{"idx":3199,"utterance_id":3200,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3201,"start_s":3202,"end_s":3203,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},532,"170605","I would hardly be a federal deputy, because, well, I also have a family.",3748.52,3751.32,{"idx":3205,"utterance_id":3206,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3207,"start_s":3208,"end_s":3209,"word_count":269,"indexable":14},533,"170606","Brasília is all very far away; to become a federal deputy, I don't think it would be of much importance for the government or for the country—anyone there could help any parliamentarian, any federal deputy from my state, who is able to do much better than I could.",3751.68,3765.44,{"idx":3211,"utterance_id":3212,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":3213,"start_s":3214,"end_s":3215,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},534,"170607","So, but anyway, it's far off; let's wait, let's 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