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Brasil and TH+ are beginning a series of interviews with candidates for federal deputy from São Paulo.",0.06,6.28,21,false,{"idx":15,"utterance_id":16,"speaker_name":8,"text":17,"start_s":18,"end_s":19,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},1,"107808","And here at my side, our mentor, historian, journalist, master's degree holder, Heródoto Barbeiro.",6.78,13.68,12,{"idx":22,"utterance_id":23,"speaker_name":8,"text":24,"start_s":25,"end_s":26,"word_count":27,"indexable":13},2,"107809","And today we welcome, for our first interview, Kim Kataguiri, who is currently in his second term as federal deputy and is seeking a third in this election.",14.1,23.76,29,{"idx":29,"utterance_id":30,"speaker_name":8,"text":31,"start_s":32,"end_s":33,"word_count":34,"indexable":13},3,"107810","He is from the Missão party, created out of the MBL, which is the Movimento Brasil Livre, he even was a pre-candidate for the state government, but then ended up defining his candidacy for a third term in the Chamber of Deputies.",24.22,37.08,37,{"idx":36,"utterance_id":37,"speaker_name":8,"text":38,"start_s":39,"end_s":40,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},4,"107811","Well, thank you very much for the interview, welcome.",37.78,41.74,8,{"idx":43,"utterance_id":44,"speaker_name":8,"text":45,"start_s":46,"end_s":47,"word_count":41,"indexable":13},5,"107812","Thank you, good morning, it's a pleasure to be here.",41.9,43.22,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":50,"speaker_name":8,"text":51,"start_s":52,"end_s":53,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},6,"107813","Heródoto?",44.02,44.48,{"idx":55,"utterance_id":56,"speaker_name":8,"text":57,"start_s":58,"end_s":59,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},7,"107814","Yes.",47.48,47.62,{"idx":41,"utterance_id":61,"speaker_name":8,"text":62,"start_s":63,"end_s":64,"word_count":65,"topic_slug":66,"topic_label":67,"target_id":68,"target_proposition":69,"stance":70,"stance_confidence":71,"rationale":72,"indexable":73},"107815","88% of parliamentarians will run for re-election, according to a recent survey from Poder 360.",47.64,53.58,14,"eleicoes-presidenciais","Presidential Elections","0ed20704-f353-46e3-85da-bd54d11dff9c","run for re-election as federal deputy","neutro_descritivo",0.75,"States a statistic about re-candidacies without proposing change.",true,{"idx":75,"utterance_id":76,"speaker_name":8,"text":77,"start_s":64,"end_s":78,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":66,"topic_label":67,"target_id":80,"target_proposition":81,"stance":70,"stance_confidence":82,"rationale":83,"indexable":13},9,"107816","68% of people don't know who they voted for four years ago.",60.24,10,"eafc21af-a29a-42ea-9f03-19ea8308a503","increase voter information about their past votes",0.65,"Presents a statistic about electoral ignorance without advocating a solution.",{"idx":79,"utterance_id":85,"speaker_name":8,"text":86,"start_s":87,"end_s":88,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},"107817","That's for federal deputy.",60.4,61.56,{"idx":90,"utterance_id":91,"speaker_name":8,"text":92,"start_s":93,"end_s":94,"word_count":20,"topic_slug":95,"topic_label":96,"target_id":97,"target_proposition":98,"stance":70,"stance_confidence":82,"rationale":99,"indexable":13},11,"107818","Do you think one of the responsibilities for this is the so-called proportional vote?",62.96,68.72,"processo-eleitoral","Electoral Process","b360a547-f697-432f-b63e-306516b26433","use the proportional voting system","Asks about responsibility in proportional voting without taking a stance.",{"idx":20,"utterance_id":101,"speaker_name":8,"text":102,"start_s":103,"end_s":104,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":95,"topic_label":96,"target_id":97,"target_proposition":98,"stance":106,"stance_confidence":107,"rationale":108,"indexable":13},"107819","Where I vote for one and end up electing another that I don't know?",69.32,72.52,13,"ambiguo",0.5,"Questions the effect of the proportional system without a clear stance.",{"idx":105,"utterance_id":110,"speaker_name":8,"text":111,"start_s":112,"end_s":113,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":95,"topic_label":96,"target_id":114,"target_proposition":115,"stance":70,"stance_confidence":71,"rationale":116,"indexable":73},"107820","Because there's that vote puller who elects him plus 3 or 4 others.",73.2,76.02,"8eb83edc-1805-4e83-9072-f22889142257","allow the use of vote pullers to elect candidates","Explains the puxador de voto mechanism without explicit judgment.",{"idx":65,"utterance_id":118,"speaker_name":8,"text":119,"start_s":120,"end_s":121,"word_count":122,"topic_slug":95,"topic_label":96,"target_id":123,"target_proposition":124,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":127,"indexable":13},"107821","Wouldn't it be worth considering the possibility of a district vote so that we'd have better contact, a better voter relationship with someone who will represent them in the Chamber of Deputies?",76.72,86.74,36,"0dce0a2f-7f05-45f8-be21-d8039f986ebc","adopt district voting","a_favor",0.7,"Suggests considering the possibility of district voting as a solution.",{"idx":129,"utterance_id":130,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":133,"start_s":134,"end_s":135,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":95,"topic_label":96,"target_id":137,"target_proposition":138,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":140,"indexable":73},15,"107822","Kim Kataguiri","kim-kataguiri","Look, Herói, I personally advocate for a mixed-member district system, but I don't think that's the solution to the problem.",87.1,92.34,22,"8ce0f961-ffc0-427c-97b8-c6540a7e4524","adopt a mixed electoral district system",0.9,"States explicitly 'eu pessoalmente defendo' the mixed-member district system.",{"idx":142,"utterance_id":143,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":144,"start_s":145,"end_s":146,"word_count":136,"topic_slug":147,"topic_label":148,"target_id":149,"target_proposition":150,"stance":106,"stance_confidence":151,"rationale":152,"indexable":13},16,"107823","Before entering the Chamber of Deputies, I thought electoral reform was more important than I think it is today.",92.76,99.8,"reforma-politica","Political Reform","f0505fa1-c078-443d-a101-de31e9f282a9","implement political reform to make parties programmatic and accountable",0.6,"Says he has reduced the priority given to electoral reform.",{"idx":154,"utterance_id":155,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":156,"start_s":157,"end_s":158,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},17,"107824","And I'll explain why.",99.86,100.84,{"idx":160,"utterance_id":161,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":162,"start_s":163,"end_s":164,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},18,"107825","Most voters have that contact you're talking about.",101.56,104.72,{"idx":166,"utterance_id":167,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":168,"start_s":169,"end_s":170,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},19,"107826","They are centrão deputies who get elected.",104.9,106.4,{"idx":172,"utterance_id":173,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":174,"start_s":175,"end_s":176,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},20,"107827","There are more than 300 deputies who get elected very close to their voters by inaugurating public works.",106.52,111.26,{"idx":12,"utterance_id":178,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":179,"start_s":180,"end_s":181,"word_count":182,"topic_slug":183,"topic_label":184,"target_id":185,"target_proposition":186,"stance":70,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":187,"indexable":13},"107828","But then the voter has no control over how the deputy votes, because that deputy earns the vote by inaugurating works, earns that vote by cutting ribbons, and not according to what... It is the role of a federal deputy to legislate and to oversee.",111.78,126.72,48,"representacao-politica","Political Representation","ff54c358-56b0-45a1-8988-0aee83b0bfe0","vote according to the will of the population","Describes voters' lack of control over their votes without proposing a concrete step.",{"idx":136,"utterance_id":189,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":190,"start_s":191,"end_s":192,"word_count":160,"indexable":13},"107829","Most deputies are elected with a 'district' vote, by votes in their electoral bases.",127.06,133,{"idx":194,"utterance_id":195,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":196,"start_s":197,"end_s":198,"word_count":166,"indexable":13},23,"107830","My case is an exceptional one, of having votes in all the cities of the State of São Paulo.",133.54,137.54,{"idx":200,"utterance_id":201,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":202,"start_s":203,"end_s":204,"word_count":205,"indexable":13},24,"107831","To have an ideological vote in accordance with that function, which is the typical function of a parliamentarian, in the legal sense, to legislate and to oversee.",137.58,145,25,{"idx":205,"utterance_id":207,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":208,"start_s":209,"end_s":210,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},"107832","But most of them are elected under that system.",145.32,147.72,{"idx":212,"utterance_id":213,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":214,"start_s":215,"end_s":216,"word_count":136,"indexable":13},26,"107833","So, in my assessment, we'll only see a higher level of people understanding the role of the parliament under three conditions.",148.12,157.32,{"idx":218,"utterance_id":219,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":220,"start_s":221,"end_s":222,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},27,"107834","One alternative and two others cumulative, so to speak.",158.32,161.74,{"idx":224,"utterance_id":225,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":226,"start_s":227,"end_s":228,"word_count":41,"topic_slug":229,"topic_label":230,"target_id":231,"target_proposition":232,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":234,"indexable":73},28,"107835","The first is to have a robust middle class.",161.78,163.24,"politica-monetaria","Monetary Policy","60f5c7bb-9a80-4128-a8fb-16bbb4c02bb3","implement economic reforms to promote development and strengthen the middle class",0.85,"States that a strong middle class is a necessary condition for better representation.",{"idx":27,"utterance_id":236,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":237,"start_s":238,"end_s":239,"word_count":224,"indexable":13},"107836","To have people who don't depend, so to speak, on the goodwill, on the favors of a parliamentarian to... have access to basic services, people who know their rights.",163.72,175.48,{"idx":241,"utterance_id":242,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":243,"start_s":244,"end_s":245,"word_count":218,"topic_slug":246,"topic_label":247,"target_id":248,"target_proposition":249,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":250,"indexable":73},30,"107837","50% of the population, 50% of high school students, according to PISA, Heródoto, do not have a sufficient level of Portuguese to exercise their own citizenship.",175.5,184,"educacao","Education","5ae17f2e-224a-433d-8ed4-a2a71dcf0493","improve literacy and numeracy","Cites PISA indices and links literacy to citizenship.",{"idx":252,"utterance_id":253,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":254,"start_s":255,"end_s":256,"word_count":90,"indexable":13},31,"107838","That number rises to 74% when we talk about mathematics.",184.18,186.88,{"idx":258,"utterance_id":259,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":260,"start_s":261,"end_s":262,"word_count":263,"topic_slug":246,"topic_label":247,"target_id":248,"target_proposition":249,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":264,"indexable":73},32,"107839","So, as long as we have a quality basic education, and we debate a lot in the Livro Amarelo, which is the Missão Party's program, the return to the phonics method, the one that, at least, I think was the method by which one of the last generations was taught to read and write, which is the Beabá, literally.",186.94,201.22,51,"Advocates returning to the phonics method and improving literacy.",{"idx":266,"utterance_id":267,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":268,"start_s":269,"end_s":270,"word_count":20,"topic_slug":246,"topic_label":247,"target_id":248,"target_proposition":249,"stance":70,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":271,"indexable":13},33,"107840","We won't be able to achieve a higher level among the parliamentarians of the Chamber.",202.82,206.52,"States that without basic education there will be no improvement among parliamentarians.",{"idx":273,"utterance_id":274,"speaker_name":8,"text":275,"start_s":276,"end_s":277,"word_count":105,"indexable":13},34,"107841","But even so, don't these people turn their backs on their voter?",206.58,209.16,{"idx":279,"utterance_id":280,"speaker_name":8,"text":281,"start_s":282,"end_s":283,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},35,"107842","And don't they care at all during the four years?",209.98,212,{"idx":122,"utterance_id":285,"speaker_name":8,"text":286,"start_s":287,"end_s":288,"word_count":160,"indexable":13},"107843","Isn't it as if you'd given the guy a blank check to stay there for four years?",212.08,216,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":290,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":291,"start_s":292,"end_s":293,"word_count":90,"topic_slug":294,"topic_label":295,"target_id":296,"target_proposition":297,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":298,"indexable":13},"107844","I think he doesn't care about his own parliamentary activity.",216.56,219.24,"politica-legislativa","Legislative Policy","3430bae0-2386-4301-b2b0-68961a9f7eb1","ensure deputies perform the functions of legislating and overseeing","Criticizes deputies for not performing typical parliamentary activity.",{"idx":300,"utterance_id":301,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":302,"start_s":303,"end_s":304,"word_count":205,"indexable":13},38,"107845","His only concern is to sell the vote to the government, for the government to fund the amendment and for him to inaugurate it in his district.",219.3,224.44,{"idx":306,"utterance_id":307,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":308,"start_s":309,"end_s":310,"word_count":142,"indexable":13},39,"107846","So, then, there is no concern with the voter in the sense of performing the function of a deputy.",224.82,229.16,{"idx":312,"utterance_id":313,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":314,"start_s":315,"end_s":316,"word_count":306,"indexable":13},40,"107847","He performs a function that is not that of a deputy, but people don't know that it's not the deputy's role to inaugurate works, it's not the deputy's role to execute the budget — that's the mayor, the governor and the president of the republic.",229.46,238.1,{"idx":318,"utterance_id":319,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":320,"start_s":321,"end_s":322,"word_count":212,"topic_slug":246,"topic_label":247,"target_id":248,"target_proposition":249,"stance":70,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":323,"indexable":13},41,"107848","Because people don't know what the function is, due to lack of access to education, due to most of the population living in poverty.",239.22,247.78,"Links lack of education and poverty to ignorance of the parliamentary function.",{"idx":325,"utterance_id":326,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":327,"start_s":328,"end_s":329,"word_count":330,"topic_slug":331,"topic_label":332,"target_id":333,"target_proposition":334,"stance":70,"stance_confidence":126,"rationale":335,"indexable":13},42,"107849","And so, I say in poverty, even if it's not the IBGE's definition, because living on half the minimum wage, as half of the Brazilian population does, in my view, is living in a situation of poverty, even if it's not the strict definition.",248.3,262.64,46,"politica-social","Social Policy","961fd885-8be0-49ce-ab28-4dc4773715a9","reduce poverty","Defines poverty and describes the social condition without a direct 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govern, because to choose their president, their prime minister, in reality they would have to vote for the prime minister's party.",269.22,279.56,{"idx":330,"utterance_id":360,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":361,"start_s":362,"end_s":363,"word_count":154,"topic_slug":342,"topic_label":343,"target_id":344,"target_proposition":345,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":71,"rationale":364,"indexable":73},"107853","So we wouldn't have anomalies like we have today, for example, with Lula as president.",279.84,283.64,"Points to anomalies of the presidential system as an argument for a parliamentary system.",{"idx":366,"utterance_id":367,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":368,"start_s":369,"end_s":370,"word_count":224,"indexable":13},47,"107854","I can be in opposition to Lula, but naturally he won the election and the natural thing, in a healthy, developed democracy, would be for him to have a majority from his party.",284.22,293.5,{"idx":182,"utterance_id":372,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":373,"start_s":374,"end_s":375,"word_count":12,"indexable":13},"107855","So people vote for Lula, but... 200 parliamentarians who were elected with Lula's voters are not Lula's base.",294.9,302.06,{"idx":377,"utterance_id":378,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":379,"start_s":380,"end_s":381,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},49,"107856","The same strictly applies to Bolsonaro.",302.68,304.24,{"idx":383,"utterance_id":384,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":385,"start_s":386,"end_s":387,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},50,"107857","Bolsonaro had a caucus of 80, 90 parliamentarians in the PSL in the first election.",304.28,308.96,{"idx":263,"utterance_id":389,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":390,"start_s":391,"end_s":392,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},"107858","200 parliamentarians were elected with Bolsonaro's vote and were not Bolsonaro's base.",308.98,314.24,{"idx":394,"utterance_id":395,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":396,"start_s":397,"end_s":398,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},52,"107859","In parliamentarism, no.",314.3,315.26,{"idx":400,"utterance_id":401,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":402,"start_s":403,"end_s":404,"word_count":258,"indexable":13},53,"107860","Everyone elected in the prime minister's party would be the prime minister's base, and the other parties would form that coalition, people would be concerned with elections to parliament.",315.64,324.22,{"idx":406,"utterance_id":407,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":408,"start_s":409,"end_s":410,"word_count":252,"topic_slug":342,"topic_label":343,"target_id":344,"target_proposition":345,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":411,"rationale":412,"indexable":73},54,"107861","So either we have these two requisites — building a robust middle class and having good access to basic education, above all — or we adopt the parliamentary 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let's go.",360.98,361.34,{"idx":432,"utterance_id":433,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":434,"start_s":435,"end_s":436,"word_count":20,"topic_slug":437,"topic_label":438,"target_id":439,"target_proposition":440,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":441,"rationale":442,"indexable":73},58,"107865","In an ideal world, I advocate for the end of parliamentary amendments.",361.9,364.78,"emendas-parlamentares","Parliamentary Amendments","aaa404fd-7939-4f57-bc31-020b393563b2","end parliamentary amendments as they are",0.92,"States clearly 'no mundo ideal defendo que seja o fim das emendas'.",{"idx":444,"utterance_id":445,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":446,"start_s":447,"end_s":448,"word_count":406,"indexable":13},59,"107866","In our government program, in the Livro Amarelo, we argue that, today, to explain it to people, mandatory amendments are a portion of the net current revenue — that is, the more the government collects, or the more inflation there is, which also increases revenue, the more amendments the deputy has for his electoral base.",365.16,383.32,{"idx":450,"utterance_id":451,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":452,"start_s":453,"end_s":454,"word_count":266,"topic_slug":437,"topic_label":438,"target_id":455,"target_proposition":456,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":457,"indexable":73},60,"107867","We want to reverse that logic; we want to tie amendments to a proportion of discretionary spending, that is, today the parliament's incentive is to have more inflation or more taxation.",384.12,393.22,"13ba26d4-dd76-4ce6-9842-41d9449c0543","link parliamentary amendments to cuts in permanent spending","Proposes reversing the logic and linking amendments to permanent courts.",{"idx":459,"utterance_id":460,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":461,"start_s":462,"end_s":463,"word_count":172,"indexable":13},61,"107868","We want to invert it so that the more permanent spending cuts you promote, the more amendments you will have.",393.5,399.68,{"idx":465,"utterance_id":466,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":467,"start_s":468,"end_s":469,"word_count":160,"topic_slug":470,"topic_label":471,"target_id":472,"target_proposition":473,"stance":70,"stance_confidence":151,"rationale":474,"indexable":13},62,"107869","I have never received an amendment from the secret budget, I have never received an amendment for voting with the government's base.",400.14,405.4,"transparencia-fiscal","Fiscal Transparency","7338198b-d287-46b2-adee-7c7b01d3e0a5","eliminate the secret budget and prevent use of amendments to buy parliamentary support","Says he did not receive an amendment from the secret budget, criticizing the practice.",{"idx":476,"utterance_id":477,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":478,"start_s":479,"end_s":480,"word_count":194,"indexable":13},63,"107870","The amendments I have indicated are my duty to indicate — they are the mandatory ones tied to net current revenue — but again.",405.5,410.78,{"idx":482,"utterance_id":483,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":484,"start_s":485,"end_s":486,"word_count":444,"indexable":13},64,"107871","It's not even in my personal interest to propose amendments, and I'll confess to you that I don't even like to supervise amendments; I do it out of official duty, because... My voter votes for what I believe, for what I defend, for the projects I approve, for the projects I block.",412.1,429.1,{"idx":488,"utterance_id":489,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":490,"start_s":491,"end_s":492,"word_count":79,"indexable":13},65,"107872","So, then, I don't gain any votes from parliamentary amendments.",429.16,431.88,{"idx":494,"utterance_id":495,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":496,"start_s":497,"end_s":498,"word_count":252,"indexable":13},66,"107873","Most of my amendments, by the way, go to the Hospital das Clínicas at Unicamp, the Hospital das Clínicas at USP, the Barretos Hospital — none of them campaign for me.",432.3,439.28,{"idx":500,"utterance_id":501,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":502,"start_s":503,"end_s":504,"word_count":172,"indexable":13},67,"107874","And the budget I allocate is too small for any voter to link the hospital to my parliamentary activity.",439.82,447.56,{"idx":506,"utterance_id":507,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":508,"start_s":509,"end_s":510,"word_count":377,"topic_slug":437,"topic_label":438,"target_id":455,"target_proposition":456,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":511,"indexable":73},68,"107875","So, in an ideal world, I argue that... there are no parliamentary amendments, as there aren't in most serious countries, but since we don't have the conditions to do that in the short term, we advocate that they be tied to spending cuts instead of revenue increases.",447.94,460.58,"Admits that elimination is difficult and supports linking them to courts as an alternative.",{"idx":513,"utterance_id":514,"speaker_name":8,"text":515,"start_s":516,"end_s":517,"word_count":166,"indexable":13},69,"107876","Now, since you mentioned spending, bottlenecks, etc., people are tired of paying taxes.",461.04,468.74,{"idx":519,"utterance_id":520,"speaker_name":8,"text":521,"start_s":522,"end_s":523,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},70,"107877","We have a tax-meter — should we show it or not?",469.54,472.92,{"idx":525,"utterance_id":526,"speaker_name":8,"text":527,"start_s":528,"end_s":529,"word_count":154,"indexable":13},71,"107878","We always show the impostômetro so people know how much tax they're paying.",473.54,477.64,{"idx":531,"utterance_id":532,"speaker_name":8,"text":533,"start_s":534,"end_s":535,"word_count":194,"indexable":13},72,"107879","Then we see the following: look, up to the present minute we've already paid 2.5 trillion reais in taxes.",479.48,490.34,{"idx":537,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":8,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":154,"topic_slug":542,"topic_label":543,"target_id":544,"target_proposition":545,"stance":70,"stance_confidence":82,"rationale":546,"indexable":13},73,"107880","How does the Chamber of Deputies oversee where the executive branch spends that money?",490.88,498,"transparencia-e-investigacao","Transparency & Investigation","e31a99c8-4d18-4700-b747-79122fdb96a6","be accountable and subject the government to audit and oversight","Asks about oversight mechanisms of the Chamber of Deputies without giving an opinion.",{"idx":548,"utterance_id":549,"speaker_name":8,"text":550,"start_s":551,"end_s":552,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},74,"107881","Or applies that money?",498.34,499.3,{"idx":554,"utterance_id":555,"speaker_name":8,"text":556,"start_s":557,"end_s":558,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},75,"107882","Or invests that money?",499.34,500.32,{"idx":560,"utterance_id":561,"speaker_name":8,"text":562,"start_s":563,"end_s":564,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},76,"107883","The Chamber itself doesn't oversee anything.",500.68,502,{"idx":566,"utterance_id":567,"speaker_name":8,"text":568,"start_s":569,"end_s":570,"word_count":15,"indexable":13},77,"107884","Nothing?",502.18,502.42,{"idx":572,"utterance_id":573,"speaker_name":8,"text":574,"start_s":575,"end_s":576,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},78,"107885","There's no budget there?",502.8,503.98,{"idx":578,"utterance_id":579,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":580,"start_s":581,"end_s":582,"word_count":65,"topic_slug":583,"topic_label":584,"target_id":585,"target_proposition":586,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":587,"rationale":588,"indexable":73},79,"107886","Most of the Chamber, as I told you, sells its vote.",504.2,507.62,"governanca-e-corrupcao","Governance and Corruption","cb1d18fd-62cc-47fb-9e2c-a81b9a8910ba","combat vote-buying through jobs and amendments",0.8,"Accuses the majority of the Chamber of Deputies of 'vender o voto' and criticizes that practice.",{"idx":590,"utterance_id":591,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":592,"start_s":593,"end_s":594,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},80,"107887","to later inaugurate the work in its electoral stronghold.",508.08,510.06,{"idx":596,"utterance_id":597,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":598,"start_s":599,"end_s":600,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},81,"107888","So, on the contrary, the interest...",510.1,511.74,{"idx":602,"utterance_id":603,"speaker_name":8,"text":604,"start_s":605,"end_s":606,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},82,"107889","But they sell the vote?",511.78,513.24,{"idx":608,"utterance_id":609,"speaker_name":8,"text":610,"start_s":611,"end_s":612,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},83,"107890","They sell the vote to the government, of course.",513.68,515.22,{"idx":614,"utterance_id":615,"speaker_name":8,"text":616,"start_s":617,"end_s":618,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},84,"107891","There is no doubt about that.",515.26,516.24,{"idx":620,"utterance_id":621,"speaker_name":8,"text":622,"start_s":623,"end_s":624,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},85,"107892","So is there a bargaining counter there?",516.28,517.52,{"idx":626,"utterance_id":627,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":628,"start_s":629,"end_s":630,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},86,"107893","No, there's not a counter.",517.8,519,{"idx":632,"utterance_id":633,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":634,"start_s":635,"end_s":636,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},87,"107894","The entire ministries' esplanade is a counter, Heródoto.",519.1,521.78,{"idx":638,"utterance_id":639,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":640,"start_s":641,"end_s":642,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},88,"107895","I'm not going to lie here or sugarcoat reality for you.",522.12,525.06,{"idx":644,"utterance_id":645,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":646,"start_s":647,"end_s":648,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},89,"107896","Most deputies, whom we call the centrão, have no ideology at all.",525.72,529.52,{"idx":650,"utterance_id":651,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":652,"start_s":653,"end_s":654,"word_count":90,"indexable":13},90,"107897","He goes there, he wants to know how much the government is paying.",529.98,532.22,{"idx":656,"utterance_id":657,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":658,"start_s":659,"end_s":660,"word_count":90,"indexable":13},91,"107898","'Ah, is the government paying me to vote for a tax increase?'",532.34,534.24,{"idx":662,"utterance_id":663,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":664,"start_s":665,"end_s":666,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},92,"107899","Great, I'll go there and vote with them.",534.4,535.82,{"idx":668,"utterance_id":669,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":670,"start_s":671,"end_s":672,"word_count":79,"indexable":13},93,"107900","'Ah, is the government paying me to, well, increase spending?'",535.9,538.84,{"idx":674,"utterance_id":675,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":676,"start_s":677,"end_s":678,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},94,"107901","He goes there and votes with them.",538.92,540,{"idx":680,"utterance_id":681,"speaker_name":8,"text":682,"start_s":683,"end_s":684,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},95,"107902","But doesn't he have to explain that to his voter?",540.18,542.16,{"idx":686,"utterance_id":687,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":688,"start_s":689,"end_s":690,"word_count":172,"indexable":13},96,"107903","No, because his voter is concerned with the project he delivers and not with the way he votes.",542.36,546,{"idx":692,"utterance_id":693,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":694,"start_s":695,"end_s":696,"word_count":105,"indexable":13},97,"107904","His voter doesn't read the newspaper to follow how he votes, Heródoto.",546.08,549.08,{"idx":698,"utterance_id":699,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":700,"start_s":701,"end_s":702,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},98,"107905","So, then, oversight work, I'll tell you.",549.14,551.6,{"idx":704,"utterance_id":705,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":706,"start_s":707,"end_s":708,"word_count":55,"topic_slug":542,"topic_label":543,"target_id":709,"target_proposition":710,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":587,"rationale":711,"indexable":13},99,"107906","I've always been on the oversight committee.",552.52,554.36,"54851268-8f34-4142-bfd9-6720517253e4","increase independence and effectiveness of parliamentary oversight","Says they resigned due to inability to pass oversight requests.",{"idx":713,"utterance_id":714,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":715,"start_s":716,"end_s":717,"word_count":122,"indexable":13},100,"107907","In the last two years I gave up being on the oversight committee, because the government has a majority, I can't get an oversight committee request approved to send to the Federal Court of Accounts.",554.66,563.64,{"idx":719,"utterance_id":720,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":721,"start_s":722,"end_s":723,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},101,"107908","So, until we change the composition of parliament, it will be the opposite.",564.04,567.46,{"idx":725,"utterance_id":726,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":727,"start_s":728,"end_s":729,"word_count":258,"topic_slug":730,"topic_label":731,"target_id":732,"target_proposition":733,"stance":734,"stance_confidence":139,"rationale":735,"indexable":73},102,"107909","And I can say, I already had several clashes with Minister Flávio Dino when he was Minister of Justice, and I positioned myself absolutely opposed to his nomination to the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",567.52,576.08,"nomeacoes-e-indicacoes","Appointments and nominations","638ab0c5-f225-4817-b32f-3dde54855dea","nominate ministers to the STF","contra","States they were 'absolutamente contrário' to the nomination.",{"idx":737,"utterance_id":738,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":739,"start_s":740,"end_s":741,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},103,"107910","I have several criticisms, including that he is a minister and keeps taking the podium in Maranhão.",576.66,580.46,{"idx":743,"utterance_id":744,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":745,"start_s":746,"end_s":747,"word_count":205,"topic_slug":542,"topic_label":543,"target_id":748,"target_proposition":749,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":587,"rationale":750,"indexable":73},104,"107911","But... Regarding the oversight of parliamentary amendments from the secret budget, I think he is doing a reasonable job, which needs to be done.",581,588.64,"673f6d4d-a1dd-4170-895c-65bd0b3668e2","ensure transparency and oversight over parliamentary amendments","Praises the oversight work on the secret budget.",{"idx":752,"utterance_id":753,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":754,"start_s":755,"end_s":756,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},105,"107912","Because if it depended on the Chamber of Deputies itself, there would be no oversight.",588.7,592.96,{"idx":758,"utterance_id":759,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":760,"start_s":761,"end_s":762,"word_count":224,"indexable":13},106,"107913","Because, look, since the Chamber of Deputies became a partner of the budget, that function I told you about was typically to legislate and oversee; you oversee when you have independence.",593.44,605.16,{"idx":764,"utterance_id":765,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":766,"start_s":767,"end_s":768,"word_count":194,"indexable":13},107,"107914","You oversee when your function is one thing, your little 'box' is one thing, and there is another 'box' that you have independence to oversee.",605.48,611.16,{"idx":770,"utterance_id":771,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":772,"start_s":773,"end_s":774,"word_count":252,"indexable":13},108,"107915","Now, when the two are confused, because parliament usurped an executive competence to execute the budget, it's not in parliament's interest to oversee the budget that it itself executes.",611.48,621.28,{"idx":776,"utterance_id":777,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":778,"start_s":779,"end_s":780,"word_count":105,"topic_slug":542,"topic_label":543,"target_id":748,"target_proposition":749,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":71,"rationale":781,"indexable":73},109,"107916","I'm one of the only fools who go there to oversee my own amendment.",621.32,624.12,"Claims to have monitored their own amendments and reported problems.",{"idx":783,"utterance_id":784,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":785,"start_s":786,"end_s":787,"word_count":172,"indexable":13},110,"107917","Send it to the Public Prosecutor's Office when there's a problem, to the PGR when there's a problem, to the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) when there's a problem.",624.48,628.8,{"idx":789,"utterance_id":790,"speaker_name":8,"text":791,"start_s":792,"end_s":793,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},111,"107918","Now, you mentioned the balcão.",629.96,631.58,{"idx":795,"utterance_id":796,"speaker_name":8,"text":797,"start_s":798,"end_s":799,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},112,"107919","Let me ask you the following.",631.92,632.72,{"idx":801,"utterance_id":802,"speaker_name":8,"text":803,"start_s":804,"end_s":805,"word_count":129,"indexable":13},113,"107920","The National Congress, of which you are a part, is the second most expensive in the world.",632.94,637.44,{"idx":807,"utterance_id":808,"speaker_name":8,"text":809,"start_s":810,"end_s":811,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},114,"107921","It's second only to the United States.",638.16,639.28,{"idx":813,"utterance_id":814,"speaker_name":8,"text":815,"start_s":816,"end_s":817,"word_count":172,"indexable":13},115,"107922","How can such a poor country spend 12 or 13 billion reais to maintain the legislative power?",639.7,645.14,{"idx":819,"utterance_id":820,"speaker_name":8,"text":821,"start_s":822,"end_s":823,"word_count":166,"indexable":13},116,"107923","Do you need all that money to maintain democracy or can it be maintained with a more modest budget?",645.4,651.74,{"idx":825,"utterance_id":826,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":827,"start_s":828,"end_s":829,"word_count":79,"topic_slug":830,"topic_label":831,"target_id":832,"target_proposition":833,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":411,"rationale":834,"indexable":73},117,"107924","It certainly can be maintained with a more modest budget.",652.26,654.96,"planejamento-e-orcamento","Planning and Budget","3a81befe-a575-4383-a7d8-81271306bf93","reduce the National Congress budget","States that the National Congress can be maintained with a more modest budget.",{"idx":836,"utterance_id":837,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":838,"start_s":839,"end_s":840,"word_count":212,"indexable":13},118,"107925","And I think that's a sign, Heródoto, that in many respects... In the Aristotelian definition, we are not living a democracy, we are living an oligarchy.",655.16,665.66,{"idx":842,"utterance_id":843,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":844,"start_s":845,"end_s":846,"word_count":337,"topic_slug":847,"topic_label":848,"target_id":849,"target_proposition":850,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":587,"rationale":851,"indexable":73},119,"107926","So much so that there is, curiously, a provision in the internal rules of the Chamber of Deputies that when distributing offices after the election, one of the criteria for preference is being the son of a deputy, as if the mandate were hereditary.",666.28,680.24,"instituicoes","Institutions","200331df-56c6-480f-ac0d-6ef65a39e5a8","eliminate relatives' privileges in office allocations","Criticizes a provision that favors deputies' children in the allocation of Chamber of Deputies offices.",{"idx":853,"utterance_id":854,"speaker_name":8,"text":855,"start_s":856,"end_s":857,"word_count":20,"indexable":13},120,"107927","So, for sure... 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familiarity to send you a WhatsApp message to ask you for tens of millions of reais.",831.06,836.74,{"idx":1033,"utterance_id":1034,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":1035,"start_s":1036,"end_s":1037,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},149,"107956","But then when it's time to break relations I need to go to your house?",837.08,840,{"idx":1039,"utterance_id":1040,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":1041,"start_s":1042,"end_s":1043,"word_count":49,"indexable":13},150,"107957","So, he doesn't fool anyone.",840.1,841.88,{"idx":1045,"utterance_id":1046,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":1047,"start_s":1048,"end_s":1049,"word_count":172,"indexable":13},151,"107958","We have independence to talk both about Jax Wagner and Rui Costa at Banco Master, as well as about Flávio Bolsonaro.",842.44,848.54,{"idx":1051,"utterance_id":1052,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":350,"start_s":1053,"end_s":1054,"word_count":22,"indexable":13},152,"107959",848.76,849.02,{"idx":1056,"utterance_id":1057,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":1058,"start_s":1059,"end_s":1060,"word_count":65,"indexable":13},153,"107960","I have never seen Forcaro in my life, just as Renan Santos never has.",849.72,852.4,{"idx":1062,"utterance_id":1063,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":1064,"start_s":1065,"end_s":1066,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},154,"107961","So, there are two fundamental differences.",852.46,854.7,{"idx":1068,"utterance_id":1069,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":1070,"start_s":1071,"end_s":1072,"word_count":27,"topic_slug":1073,"topic_label":1074,"target_id":1075,"target_proposition":1076,"stance":70,"stance_confidence":71,"rationale":1077,"indexable":73},155,"107962","And another point, Flávio Bolsonaro talks about tougher 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so, because our time is up, people are also running back and forth.",920.54,924.5,{"idx":1127,"utterance_id":1128,"speaker_name":8,"text":1129,"start_s":1130,"end_s":1131,"word_count":154,"indexable":13},164,"107971","But I ask the following: so we don't have the condition to change this country overnight?",925.32,930.66,{"idx":1133,"utterance_id":1134,"speaker_name":8,"text":1135,"start_s":1136,"end_s":1137,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},165,"107972","No, but that...",931.36,932.06,{"idx":1139,"utterance_id":1140,"speaker_name":8,"text":1141,"start_s":1142,"end_s":1143,"word_count":79,"indexable":13},166,"107973","In the way you just laid out for us?",932.1,934.08,{"idx":1145,"utterance_id":1146,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":1147,"start_s":1148,"end_s":1149,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},167,"107974","No, not overnight.",934.56,935.72,{"idx":1151,"utterance_id":1152,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":1153,"start_s":1154,"end_s":1155,"word_count":29,"indexable":13},168,"107975","It won't change?",935.76,936.26,{"idx":1157,"utterance_id":1158,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":1159,"start_s":1160,"end_s":1161,"word_count":105,"indexable":13},169,"107976","I'm not going to lie to you that it will change overnight.",936.36,938.08,{"idx":1163,"utterance_id":1164,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":1165,"start_s":1166,"end_s":1167,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},170,"107977","Now, is there a way to change?",938.14,939,{"idx":1169,"utterance_id":1170,"speaker_name":8,"text":1171,"start_s":1172,"end_s":1173,"word_count":55,"indexable":13},171,"107978","Not even from one term to the next?",939.04,940.18,{"idx":1175,"utterance_id":1176,"speaker_name":8,"text":1177,"start_s":1178,"end_s":1179,"word_count":36,"indexable":13},172,"107979","It is possible to change, right?",940.48,942.1,{"idx":1181,"utterance_id":1182,"speaker_name":8,"text":1183,"start_s":1184,"end_s":1185,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},173,"107980","Wouldn't one have to change the Constitution to be able to change?",942.18,944.08,{"idx":1187,"utterance_id":1188,"speaker_name":8,"text":1189,"start_s":1190,"end_s":1191,"word_count":75,"indexable":13},174,"107981","Then we get into a subject I like a lot.",944.68,946.8,{"idx":1193,"utterance_id":1194,"speaker_name":8,"text":1195,"start_s":1196,"end_s":1197,"word_count":43,"indexable":13},175,"107982","A new National Constituent Assembly?",947.44,949.04,{"idx":1199,"utterance_id":1200,"speaker_name":131,"speaker_slug":132,"text":1201,"start_s":1202,"end_s":1203,"word_count":12,"topic_slug":147,"topic_label":148,"target_id":1204,"target_proposition":1205,"stance":125,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":1206,"indexable":73},176,"107983","I advocate for a National Constituent Assembly, but I don't think it is feasible in the short to 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