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Bolsonaro government, which promised big economic reforms, did not deliver an administrative reform, did not deliver cuts to privileges, in fact, sent an administrative reform without the elite.",79.52,97.38,43,{"idx":174,"utterance_id":175,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":176,"start_s":177,"end_s":178,"word_count":179,"indexable":72},17,"79797","of the public civil service, without the political class, without the judiciary, without the Public Prosecutor's Office, did not manage to pass a tax reform, in fact approved the opposite.",97.8,107.34,24,{"idx":79,"utterance_id":181,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":182,"start_s":183,"end_s":184,"word_count":105,"indexable":72},"79798","It broke the spending cap practically 20 times and approved the PEC-CAMICAS.",108.12,111.84,{"idx":186,"utterance_id":187,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":188,"start_s":189,"end_s":190,"word_count":92,"indexable":72},19,"79799","So, our course is a deep reform of the 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handling regarding the arrest of former President Jair Bolsonaro?",489.12,505.52,{"idx":495,"utterance_id":496,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":497,"start_s":498,"end_s":499,"word_count":155,"indexable":72},72,"79852","Look, first, on the merits of the case, I consider it undeniable that Jair Bolsonaro is guilty.",506.92,511.9,{"idx":501,"utterance_id":502,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":503,"start_s":504,"end_s":505,"word_count":167,"indexable":72},73,"79853","And he was guilty, including producing evidence against himself in a very stupid and amateurish way.",512.7,518.42,{"idx":507,"utterance_id":508,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":509,"start_s":510,"end_s":511,"word_count":222,"indexable":72},74,"79854","Printing a draft of a coup on the printer of the Planalto (Presidential Palace) — don't even bother printing it on a home printer or at a copy shop — and you submit it... Up to that point, even if you had that printed draft, it would not be a crime, it is a preparatory act.",519.12,537.94,{"idx":513,"utterance_id":514,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":515,"start_s":516,"end_s":517,"word_count":289,"indexable":72},75,"79855","Now, you submit that to the commanders of the three services and only did not carry the project forward because the Army commander threatened the President of the Republic with arrest — that, without a doubt, constitutes an attempted coup.",538.26,550.14,{"idx":519,"utterance_id":520,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":521,"start_s":522,"end_s":523,"word_count":105,"indexable":72},76,"79856","Now... that also does not mean validating Alexandre de Moraes's abuses.",550.38,554.1,{"idx":525,"utterance_id":526,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":527,"start_s":528,"end_s":529,"word_count":105,"indexable":72},77,"79857","There were only two possibilities of trial for Jair Bolsonaro regarding jurisdiction.",554.74,559.14,{"idx":531,"utterance_id":532,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":533,"start_s":534,"end_s":535,"word_count":167,"indexable":72},78,"79858","And let's remember that jurisdiction was the excuse used to annul the entire Operation Lava Jato.",559.3,564.8,{"idx":537,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":174,"indexable":72},79,"79859","The abuse committed now is much greater than what they supposedly denounced in the Lava Jato.",565.48,571.48,{"idx":543,"utterance_id":544,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":545,"start_s":546,"end_s":547,"word_count":81,"indexable":72},80,"79860","Why?",571.58,571.82,{"idx":549,"utterance_id":550,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":551,"start_s":552,"end_s":553,"word_count":174,"indexable":72},81,"79861","Either one followed the STF's jurisprudence, which is cases of authorities of the Republic who had a privileged forum.",572.44,579.86,{"idx":555,"utterance_id":556,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":557,"start_s":558,"end_s":559,"word_count":153,"indexable":72},82,"79862","and if they were involved in a huge scandal with wide repercussions, they are judged by the full STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), not by a panel.",580.64,587.18,{"idx":561,"utterance_id":562,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":563,"start_s":564,"end_s":565,"word_count":21,"indexable":72},83,"79863","Jair Bolsonaro's case was judged by a panel out of casuistry, by the authoritarianism of Alexandre de Moraes and Minister Flávio Dino.",587.54,595.94,{"idx":567,"utterance_id":568,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":569,"start_s":570,"end_s":571,"word_count":254,"indexable":72},84,"79864","Another possibility, which I understand was correct, because it is what the law says, was trial in the first instance, because this president does not have a privileged 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defense could present its response to the accusation at the time of the complaint.",623.12,635.66,{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":87,"indexable":72},89,"79869","by the Public Prosecutor's Office.",636.08,636.96,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":49,"indexable":72},90,"79870","and then, in the final arguments, he dumped 80 terabytes of data for the defense to mine there in the law firm to present the defense.",637.12,649.52,{"idx":609,"utterance_id":610,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":611,"start_s":612,"end_s":613,"word_count":4,"indexable":72},91,"79871","So, the process was tainted, the process was illegal.",649.56,653.64,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":364,"indexable":72},92,"79872","Jair Bolsonaro could very well have been convicted and have his conviction become final following due process, proceeding in the first instance, then being confirmed in the second instance, but, unfortunately, in this zeal to demonstrate strength by Minister Alexandre de Moraes, they preferred to commit an abuse.",654.76,673.72,{"idx":252,"utterance_id":621,"speaker_name":69,"text":622,"start_s":623,"end_s":624,"word_count":122,"indexable":72},"79873","So, just to add, Caio, just to add.",674.52,677.42,{"idx":626,"utterance_id":627,"speaker_name":69,"text":628,"start_s":629,"end_s":630,"word_count":120,"indexable":72},94,"79874","Well, you said that you believe he is guilty, in the first place.",679.46,683.2,{"idx":632,"utterance_id":633,"speaker_name":69,"text":634,"start_s":635,"end_s":636,"word_count":107,"indexable":72},95,"79875","Second point, the process is null.",684.74,686.34,{"idx":638,"utterance_id":639,"speaker_name":69,"text":640,"start_s":641,"end_s":642,"word_count":122,"indexable":72},96,"79876","I also believe that the process is null.",688.86,690.84,{"idx":644,"utterance_id":645,"speaker_name":69,"text":646,"start_s":647,"end_s":648,"word_count":155,"indexable":72},97,"79877","I don't believe he is guilty, but I believe the whole process is null.",691.54,696.84,{"idx":650,"utterance_id":651,"speaker_name":69,"text":652,"start_s":653,"end_s":654,"word_count":155,"indexable":72},98,"79878","So, given that, do you think he could run for the Presidency of the Republic?",697.04,703.34,{"idx":656,"utterance_id":657,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":658,"start_s":659,"end_s":660,"word_count":21,"indexable":72},99,"79879","Well, obviously, if we were to accept that, if the process were declared null, he would be able to run in the election.",703.38,710.98,{"idx":662,"utterance_id":663,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":664,"start_s":665,"end_s":666,"word_count":49,"indexable":72},100,"79880","Actually, I don't think he would, in fact, be in a position to, despite having 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right?",728.18,730.78,{"idx":692,"utterance_id":693,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":694,"start_s":695,"end_s":696,"word_count":79,"indexable":72},105,"79885","If there were a declaration that the proceedings are nullified — let's suppose — if such a declaration were made today.",731.2,735.28,{"idx":698,"utterance_id":699,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":700,"start_s":701,"end_s":702,"word_count":186,"indexable":72},106,"79886","If the case starts in the first instance and the conviction is upheld in the second, he will be ineligible.",736.82,743.44,{"idx":704,"utterance_id":705,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":706,"start_s":707,"end_s":708,"word_count":155,"indexable":72},107,"79887","But I think that's an empty debate, because that possibility doesn't exist.",743.82,747.08,{"idx":710,"utterance_id":711,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":712,"start_s":713,"end_s":714,"word_count":43,"indexable":72},108,"79888","There won't be a declaration that the proceedings are nullified; the proceedings will continue, Bolsonaro will remain imprisoned, there won't be any challenge in that direction because there isn't the political strength",747.66,757.86,{"idx":716,"utterance_id":717,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":718,"start_s":719,"end_s":720,"word_count":4,"indexable":72},109,"79889","for Jair Bolsonaro to reverse that in the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal).",758.26,761.06,{"idx":722,"utterance_id":723,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":724,"start_s":725,"end_s":726,"word_count":283,"indexable":72},110,"79890","So, in fact, if the proceedings were declared null — which technically should be done — he could have... Actually, he wouldn't be able to run because there was still a prior conviction by the TSE (Superior Electoral Court).",761.14,772.68,{"idx":728,"utterance_id":729,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":730,"start_s":731,"end_s":732,"word_count":122,"indexable":72},111,"79891","So, even then, he would not have political rights.",772.9,774.42,{"idx":734,"utterance_id":735,"speaker_name":115,"speaker_slug":116,"text":736,"start_s":737,"end_s":738,"word_count":167,"indexable":72},112,"79892","Even with a declaration of nullity, still, under no circumstances would he be able to run in the election.",774.9,778.76,{"idx":740,"utterance_id":741,"speaker_name":69,"text":742,"start_s":743,"end_s":744,"word_count":120,"indexable":72},113,"79893","Federal Deputy Kim Kataguiri speaking with us here on the morning of this Wednesday.",780.42,783.96,{"idx":746,"utterance_id":747,"speaker_name":69,"text":748,"start_s":749,"end_s":750,"word_count":254,"indexable":72},114,"79894","Let me change 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