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consequently our discourses and our academic productions cannot either.",155.02,164.14,{"idx":179,"utterance_id":180,"speaker_name":44,"text":181,"start_s":182,"end_s":183,"word_count":184,"indexable":14},28,"64406","What we're saying is that we speak from a social place in which we were excluded and marginalized.",164.56,171.36,29,{"idx":184,"utterance_id":186,"speaker_name":44,"text":187,"start_s":188,"end_s":189,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},"64407","And there are groups that speak from social positions that were historically created through the oppression of these groups.",171.92,180.94,{"idx":191,"utterance_id":192,"speaker_name":44,"text":193,"start_s":194,"end_s":195,"word_count":86,"indexable":14},30,"64408","And these groups end up not seeing the other realities of other social groups.",181,184.96,{"idx":78,"utterance_id":197,"speaker_name":44,"text":198,"start_s":199,"end_s":200,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},"64409","They see only their own reality because they always interact among themselves; they don't discuss issues that don't directly affect them.",185.04,193.72,{"idx":202,"utterance_id":203,"speaker_name":44,"text":204,"start_s":205,"end_s":206,"word_count":179,"indexable":14},32,"64410","So it's not about what each person can speak about; what we're saying is that each person is socially located and speaks from that place.",193.8,200.86,{"idx":208,"utterance_id":209,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":210,"start_s":211,"end_s":212,"word_count":34,"indexable":14},33,"64411","That is, a white man can speak about feminism, can speak about racism.",201.46,205.56,{"idx":214,"utterance_id":215,"speaker_name":44,"text":216,"start_s":217,"end_s":218,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},34,"64412","He should.",206.02,206.36,{"idx":143,"utterance_id":220,"speaker_name":44,"text":221,"start_s":222,"end_s":223,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},"64413","He should speak up.",207.54,208.48,{"idx":225,"utterance_id":226,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":227,"start_s":228,"end_s":229,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},36,"64414","That's what I wanted.",209.48,210,{"idx":231,"utterance_id":232,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":233,"start_s":234,"end_s":235,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},37,"64415","In what terms can this dialogue be established?",210.2,213.4,{"idx":237,"utterance_id":238,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":239,"start_s":240,"end_s":241,"word_count":27,"indexable":14},38,"64416","Because I can think of the situation of a white man.",213.84,216.82,{"idx":243,"utterance_id":244,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":245,"start_s":246,"end_s":247,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},39,"64417","Very exploited, for example, in the countryside.",217.4,219.3,{"idx":249,"utterance_id":250,"speaker_name":44,"text":251,"start_s":252,"end_s":253,"word_count":16,"indexable":14},40,"64418","Yes.",221,221.2,{"idx":255,"utterance_id":256,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":257,"start_s":258,"end_s":259,"word_count":136,"indexable":14},41,"64419","Or I can speak of an indigenous person, an indigenous man, therefore not white, who is in a situation of a demarcated reserve, with his rights secured.",223.52,238.92,{"idx":261,"utterance_id":262,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":263,"start_s":264,"end_s":265,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},42,"64420","That is, I can speak from several perspectives.",239.38,241.8,{"idx":267,"utterance_id":268,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":269,"start_s":270,"end_s":271,"word_count":126,"indexable":14},43,"64421","The idea that often gets across is that this kind of approach can fragment a more universal emancipatory discourse.",242.52,252.28,{"idx":273,"utterance_id":274,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":275,"start_s":276,"end_s":277,"word_count":86,"indexable":14},44,"64422","How do you respond to this concern that seems legitimate to everyone?",253.44,258.92,{"idx":279,"utterance_id":280,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":281,"start_s":282,"end_s":283,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},45,"64423","Thinking in universal terms — is that in contradiction with thinking in terms I could call particularist?",259.44,267.82,{"idx":285,"utterance_id":286,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":287,"start_s":288,"end_s":289,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},46,"64424","That is, is there antagonism between the two?",268.4,271.16,{"idx":291,"utterance_id":292,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":293,"start_s":294,"end_s":295,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},47,"64425","Or can you think of these two dimensions as associated?",271.3,274.76,{"idx":297,"utterance_id":298,"speaker_name":44,"text":299,"start_s":300,"end_s":301,"word_count":86,"indexable":14},48,"64426","I think it depends on what we understand by 'universal.'",275.52,278.04,{"idx":303,"utterance_id":304,"speaker_name":44,"text":305,"start_s":306,"end_s":307,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},49,"64427","Our critique is that this 'universal' is conceived from the point of view of the white man.",278.56,283.04,{"idx":309,"utterance_id":310,"speaker_name":44,"text":311,"start_s":312,"end_s":313,"word_count":27,"indexable":14},50,"64428","We, as Black subjects, are not encompassed by this so-called universality.",284.04,288.38,{"idx":315,"utterance_id":316,"speaker_name":44,"text":317,"start_s":318,"end_s":319,"word_count":202,"indexable":14},51,"64429","We were not even elevated to the condition of human beings given... All the research we have, all the data we have on violence against Black and Indigenous groups.",288.44,297.72,{"idx":321,"utterance_id":322,"speaker_name":44,"text":323,"start_s":324,"end_s":325,"word_count":136,"indexable":14},52,"64430","It doesn't fragment because what interests me is what we still share in common as a group, due to being located in that position.",298.28,304.74,{"idx":327,"utterance_id":328,"speaker_name":44,"text":329,"start_s":330,"end_s":331,"word_count":126,"indexable":14},53,"64431","This doesn't mean there are no middle-class Black people; it doesn't mean there are no poor white people.",304.8,310.58,{"idx":333,"utterance_id":334,"speaker_name":44,"text":335,"start_s":336,"end_s":337,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},54,"64432","Our debate is structural.",311.4,312.98,{"idx":339,"utterance_id":340,"speaker_name":44,"text":341,"start_s":342,"end_s":343,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},55,"64433","We are not talking about exceptions; we are still talking about 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there's no way, for example, for me as a Black woman, to choose.",503.88,509.78,{"idx":537,"utterance_id":538,"speaker_name":44,"text":539,"start_s":540,"end_s":541,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},88,"64466","Which oppression am I going to fight against?",510.36,511.78,{"idx":543,"utterance_id":544,"speaker_name":44,"text":545,"start_s":546,"end_s":547,"word_count":80,"indexable":14},89,"64467","If it is the set of these oppressions that put me in this position.",513.06,516.1,{"idx":549,"utterance_id":550,"speaker_name":44,"text":551,"start_s":552,"end_s":553,"word_count":145,"indexable":14},90,"64468","So I think that often we're debating when we're more or less talking about almost the same thing.",516.62,522.28,{"idx":555,"utterance_id":556,"speaker_name":44,"text":557,"start_s":558,"end_s":559,"word_count":138,"indexable":14},91,"64469","What we are saying as Black women is that we cannot choose which oppression is more 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conditions, at least in Brazil, would you say that intolerance and inequality — there is no hierarchy between these concepts?",550.42,561.02,{"idx":585,"utterance_id":586,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":587,"start_s":588,"end_s":589,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},96,"64474","They are equally repressive, oppressive.",561.36,564.72,{"idx":591,"utterance_id":592,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":593,"start_s":594,"end_s":595,"word_count":34,"indexable":14},97,"64475","And you need to combat them, in a way, from a structural whole.",565.26,569.32,{"idx":597,"utterance_id":598,"speaker_name":44,"text":599,"start_s":600,"end_s":601,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},98,"64476","It is from a structural whole.",570.02,571.14,{"idx":603,"utterance_id":604,"speaker_name":44,"text":605,"start_s":606,"end_s":607,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},99,"64477","I think that's what is often 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There was a program called Juventude Viva, aimed at black youth.",573.08,578.02,{"idx":615,"utterance_id":616,"speaker_name":44,"text":617,"start_s":618,"end_s":619,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},101,"64479","Why is it aimed at black youth?",578.6,580.54,{"idx":621,"utterance_id":622,"speaker_name":44,"text":623,"start_s":624,"end_s":625,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},102,"64480","Because it is the youth that is most victimized.",580.64,582.94,{"idx":627,"utterance_id":628,"speaker_name":44,"text":629,"start_s":630,"end_s":631,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},103,"64481","If you don't design a program for these young black people, they will remain segregated.",583.58,587.98,{"idx":633,"utterance_id":634,"speaker_name":44,"text":635,"start_s":636,"end_s":637,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},104,"64482","We need to bring these young people to... to humanity, which is Foucault's concept, to 'let 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speak.",612.6,614.76,{"idx":663,"utterance_id":664,"speaker_name":44,"text":665,"start_s":666,"end_s":667,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},109,"64487","So it is essential that we name these realities to fight this division that structural oppressions have caused.",615.14,623.2,{"idx":669,"utterance_id":670,"speaker_name":44,"text":671,"start_s":672,"end_s":673,"word_count":53,"indexable":14},110,"64488","We don't have the power to divide.",623.24,624.8,{"idx":675,"utterance_id":676,"speaker_name":44,"text":677,"start_s":678,"end_s":679,"word_count":86,"indexable":14},111,"64489","We, as oppressed groups, have no power to divide society.",625.4,629.12,{"idx":681,"utterance_id":682,"speaker_name":44,"text":683,"start_s":684,"end_s":685,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},112,"64490","It is already divided.",629.18,630.14,{"idx":687,"utterance_id":688,"speaker_name":44,"text":689,"start_s":690,"end_s":691,"word_count":34,"indexable":14},113,"64491","What we are saying is that our lives also 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scholars talking about it in Uruguay.",743.94,757.22,{"idx":813,"utterance_id":814,"speaker_name":44,"text":815,"start_s":816,"end_s":817,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},134,"64512","In Europe, I don't know so much; in France not much—the racial debate there is still very difficult.",758.36,765.24,{"idx":819,"utterance_id":820,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":821,"start_s":822,"end_s":823,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},135,"64513","Why do you imagine the interest of European publishers?",765.42,770.06,{"idx":825,"utterance_id":826,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":827,"start_s":828,"end_s":829,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},136,"64514","In your work, what do you think inspired them?",770.72,773.12,{"idx":831,"utterance_id":832,"speaker_name":44,"text":833,"start_s":834,"end_s":835,"word_count":27,"indexable":14},137,"64515","In France, because the racial debate there is very difficult.",773.76,777,{"idx":837,"utterance_id":838,"speaker_name":44,"text":839,"start_s":840,"end_s":841,"word_count":136,"indexable":14},138,"64516","They cannot speak about race in France, because for them it goes back to the Second World War, the question of eugenics, so they think it divides.",777.16,784.1,{"idx":843,"utterance_id":844,"speaker_name":44,"text":845,"start_s":846,"end_s":847,"word_count":168,"indexable":14},139,"64517","And the black French population, from the opportunity to speak with many, suffer a lot from this, because for them everyone is French, the question of universality.",785,793.1,{"idx":849,"utterance_id":850,"speaker_name":44,"text":851,"start_s":852,"end_s":853,"word_count":179,"indexable":14},140,"64518","But black immigrants, or black French people who were born in France, remain segregated, continue living in the peripheries, and are the ones with the least access to 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I think people are interested in knowing how we speak about it.",828.38,832.94,{"idx":885,"utterance_id":886,"speaker_name":44,"text":887,"start_s":888,"end_s":889,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},146,"64524","This in Brazil is no longer a big issue.",833,834.96,{"idx":891,"utterance_id":892,"speaker_name":44,"text":893,"start_s":894,"end_s":895,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},147,"64525","In France it is a big issue.",836,837.44,{"idx":897,"utterance_id":898,"speaker_name":44,"text":899,"start_s":900,"end_s":901,"word_count":191,"indexable":14},148,"64526","In Germany I gave a class there at... at the city of Goethe, in Frankfurt; I brought Lélia Gonzalez, who is a Brazilian black intellectual, and people were very shocked.",837.54,847.44,{"idx":903,"utterance_id":904,"speaker_name":44,"text":905,"start_s":906,"end_s":907,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},149,"64527","Wow, you were already studying that?",848.16,851.04,{"idx":909,"utterance_id":910,"speaker_name":44,"text":911,"start_s":912,"end_s":913,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},150,"64528","I said, yes, in the 1980s and 1990s.",851.08,852.18,{"idx":915,"utterance_id":916,"speaker_name":44,"text":917,"start_s":918,"end_s":919,"word_count":339,"indexable":14},151,"64529","So, as there is also this issue of Brazil being set apart, our intellectual production not being exported, us still being often seen as a backyard of the world, people are still surprised when, I think in South America, this discussion is much more advanced than in many European countries.",852.28,869.5,{"idx":921,"utterance_id":922,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":923,"start_s":924,"end_s":925,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},152,"64530","What is your assessment of what happened in Brazil regarding the question of black people?",870.24,876.18,{"idx":927,"utterance_id":928,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":929,"start_s":930,"end_s":931,"word_count":27,"indexable":14},153,"64531","How would you, as a black woman, evaluate this historical period?",876.84,883.32,{"idx":933,"utterance_id":934,"speaker_name":44,"text":935,"start_s":936,"end_s":937,"word_count":136,"indexable":14},154,"64532","In recent years, I think it is undeniable, especially when we debate education, access to education, how much reality has changed.",884.34,892.28,{"idx":939,"utterance_id":940,"speaker_name":44,"text":941,"start_s":942,"end_s":943,"word_count":27,"indexable":14},155,"64533","The quota law itself in all federal universities.",892.4,895.4,{"idx":945,"utterance_id":946,"speaker_name":44,"text":947,"start_s":948,"end_s":949,"word_count":202,"indexable":14},156,"64534","I think even earlier: UERJ was the first university to adopt quotas in 2001, UNB in 2004, and how much that has significantly changed the lives of part of the black population.",896.6,907.62,{"idx":951,"utterance_id":952,"speaker_name":44,"text":953,"start_s":954,"end_s":955,"word_count":53,"indexable":14},157,"64535","I, for example, am part of that generation.",907.9,909.78,{"idx":957,"utterance_id":958,"speaker_name":44,"text":959,"start_s":960,"end_s":961,"word_count":27,"indexable":14},158,"64536","that had access to public policies in the field of education.",910.46,913.28,{"idx":963,"utterance_id":964,"speaker_name":44,"text":965,"start_s":966,"end_s":967,"word_count":103,"indexable":14},159,"64537","I studied at Unifesp, on a humanities campus in Guarulhos, which was created in 2007.",913.32,918.04,{"idx":969,"utterance_id":970,"speaker_name":44,"text":971,"start_s":972,"end_s":973,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},160,"64538","I am from the class of 2008.",918.4,919.84,{"idx":975,"utterance_id":976,"speaker_name":44,"text":977,"start_s":978,"end_s":979,"word_count":179,"indexable":14},161,"64539","So this was, undeniably, a very significant change in breaking some cycles and, in fact, allowing us not only to have access but to remain at university.",920.28,933.04,{"idx":981,"utterance_id":982,"speaker_name":44,"text":983,"start_s":984,"end_s":985,"word_count":80,"indexable":14},162,"64540","The very expansion of public universities, programs like ProUni, undeniably",933.46,939.52,{"idx":987,"utterance_id":988,"speaker_name":44,"text":989,"start_s":990,"end_s":991,"word_count":191,"indexable":14},163,"64541","has positively affected the lives of the peripheral black population in Brazil in recent years and has formed a generation of people, most of whom are the first to have access to university.",940.6,952.5,{"idx":993,"utterance_id":994,"speaker_name":44,"text":995,"start_s":996,"end_s":997,"word_count":151,"indexable":14},164,"64542","I am the first person in my family to have had access to university and to leave university with a master's degree.",952.56,958.62,{"idx":999,"utterance_id":1000,"speaker_name":44,"text":1001,"start_s":1002,"end_s":1003,"word_count":136,"indexable":14},165,"64543","So I think it is undeniable that we see this whole rollback today; we know this will directly impact the lives of these groups.",959.1,966.5,{"idx":1005,"utterance_id":1006,"speaker_name":44,"text":1007,"start_s":1008,"end_s":1009,"word_count":80,"indexable":14},166,"64544","who were finally having the opportunity to access higher education.",966.96,971.74,{"idx":1011,"utterance_id":1012,"speaker_name":44,"text":1013,"start_s":1014,"end_s":1015,"word_count":261,"indexable":14},167,"64545","I think the PEC for domestic workers is also a great victory, especially because we are talking about a profession in which the majority of the women are black—around 5 million black women in Brazil today are domestic workers.",971.82,984.18,{"idx":1017,"utterance_id":1018,"speaker_name":44,"text":1019,"start_s":1020,"end_s":1021,"word_count":136,"indexable":14},168,"64546","How much that impacted in terms of guaranteeing rights for this category, in a country that still has this vision of the big house without the senzala.",984.64,991.86,{"idx":1023,"utterance_id":1024,"speaker_name":44,"text":1025,"start_s":1026,"end_s":1027,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},169,"64547","And the scandal it caused in Brazil because some wanted to stop domestic work",992.38,996.24,{"idx":1029,"utterance_id":1030,"speaker_name":44,"text":1031,"start_s":1032,"end_s":1033,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},170,"64548","as if it were not like any other work.",996.28,998.4,{"idx":1035,"utterance_id":1036,"speaker_name":44,"text":1037,"start_s":1038,"end_s":1039,"word_count":151,"indexable":14},171,"64549","So this is dignity also for black women, because we know that they still predominantly occupy these spaces.",999.12,1006.96,{"idx":1041,"utterance_id":1042,"speaker_name":44,"text":1043,"start_s":1044,"end_s":1045,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},172,"64550","I am the daughter of a domestic worker; the cycle of domestic work is broken in my generation.",1007.06,1011.02,{"idx":1047,"utterance_id":1048,"speaker_name":44,"text":1049,"start_s":1050,"end_s":1051,"word_count":179,"indexable":14},173,"64551","And we only break these cycles when we actually create opportunities, when public policies are created that truly affect the lives of these groups.",1011.48,1019.74,{"idx":1053,"utterance_id":1054,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1055,"start_s":1056,"end_s":1057,"word_count":80,"indexable":14},174,"64552","You know that at the São Paulo City Hall you were an undersecretary?",1019.86,1024.52,{"idx":1059,"utterance_id":1060,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1061,"start_s":1062,"end_s":1063,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},175,"64553","In our administration we approached businesspeople to try to establish a policy, an affirmative policy in some manner.",1025.86,1033.32,{"idx":1065,"utterance_id":1066,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1067,"start_s":1068,"end_s":1069,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},176,"64554","We in no way wanted to harm businesses, just as we did not harm universities by expanding access.",1033.56,1040.52,{"idx":1071,"utterance_id":1072,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1073,"start_s":1074,"end_s":1075,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},177,"64555","On the contrary, the data show that democratized access improved the quality of the institutions.",1040.56,1047.88,{"idx":1077,"utterance_id":1078,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1079,"start_s":1080,"end_s":1081,"word_count":34,"indexable":14},178,"64556","We understood and understand that this would also happen in the labor market.",1048.44,1053,{"idx":1083,"utterance_id":1084,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1085,"start_s":1086,"end_s":1087,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},179,"64557","Companies would become... better for being more diverse.",1053.06,1056.9,{"idx":1089,"utterance_id":1090,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1091,"start_s":1092,"end_s":1093,"word_count":202,"indexable":14},180,"64558","Strangely, I don't know if it's strange for you too, but we found much more receptiveness from multinationals than from national companies to this appeal to formulate affirmative policies.",1058.48,1076.1,{"idx":194,"utterance_id":1095,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1096,"start_s":1097,"end_s":1098,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},"64559","Do you have an explanation for that?",1078.1,1079.7,{"idx":1100,"utterance_id":1101,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1102,"start_s":1103,"end_s":1104,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},182,"64560","Or do you think that was just an impression?",1080.8,1083.64,{"idx":1106,"utterance_id":1107,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1108,"start_s":1109,"end_s":1110,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},183,"64561","Or is it real?",1085.12,1085.62,{"idx":1112,"utterance_id":1113,"speaker_name":44,"text":1114,"start_s":1115,"end_s":1116,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},184,"64562","It could be real because these multinationals often have these policies in their countries of origin.",1086.56,1091.98,{"idx":1118,"utterance_id":1119,"speaker_name":44,"text":1120,"start_s":1121,"end_s":1122,"word_count":53,"indexable":14},185,"64563","This is a very interesting question.",1092.9,1094.98,{"idx":1124,"utterance_id":1125,"speaker_name":44,"text":1126,"start_s":1127,"end_s":1128,"word_count":138,"indexable":14},186,"64564","Often these companies have these policies in their home countries, but when they come here to Brazil they end up not following them.",1095.2,1102.12,{"idx":1130,"utterance_id":1131,"speaker_name":44,"text":1132,"start_s":1133,"end_s":1134,"word_count":151,"indexable":14},187,"64565","So they have an easier time because the vast majority already apply them in their countries, because there are policies there that oblige them to apply them.",1102.76,1110.74,{"idx":1136,"utterance_id":1137,"speaker_name":44,"text":1138,"start_s":1139,"end_s":1140,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},188,"64566","And in Brazil we have this resistance, this extremely difficult colonial mentality to overcome.",1111.62,1117.28,{"idx":1142,"utterance_id":1143,"speaker_name":44,"text":1144,"start_s":1145,"end_s":1146,"word_count":145,"indexable":14},189,"64567","So it's not a matter of being better or worse, it's a matter of companies that already live with this in other countries.",1117.66,1124.18,{"idx":1148,"utterance_id":1149,"speaker_name":44,"text":1150,"start_s":1151,"end_s":1152,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},190,"64568","In the United States, for example, there are several such policies; in other countries there are, in Canada, etc.",1124.22,1129.28,{"idx":1154,"utterance_id":1155,"speaker_name":44,"text":1156,"start_s":1157,"end_s":1158,"word_count":86,"indexable":14},191,"64569","So in their countries of origin they are already used to doing it.",1129.92,1132.34,{"idx":1160,"utterance_id":1161,"speaker_name":44,"text":1162,"start_s":1163,"end_s":1164,"word_count":53,"indexable":14},192,"64570","So I think that's the difference.",1133.08,1134.86,{"idx":1166,"utterance_id":1167,"speaker_name":44,"text":1168,"start_s":1169,"end_s":1170,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},193,"64571","Of course it is also important to say that in the public sphere there were policies, like the federal law, entrance exams.",1135.34,1140.62,{"idx":1172,"utterance_id":1173,"speaker_name":44,"text":1174,"start_s":1175,"end_s":1176,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},194,"64572","This is important to actually reflect and absorb those people who had access to university.",1141.5,1149.76,{"idx":1178,"utterance_id":1179,"speaker_name":44,"text":1180,"start_s":1181,"end_s":1182,"word_count":126,"indexable":14},195,"64573","Without creating these policies, unfortunately people will not do it willingly, because they will not understand the importance of it.",1149.84,1156.84,{"idx":1184,"utterance_id":1185,"speaker_name":44,"text":1186,"start_s":1187,"end_s":1188,"word_count":27,"indexable":14},196,"64574","Today I see more companies joining diversity programs.",1157.38,1163.18,{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":44,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":202,"indexable":14},197,"64575","There are many specialists, like Cida Bento, who is a great specialist in this area, who has been working on this for a long time with companies to address racial inequality at work.",1163.3,1172.64,{"idx":1196,"utterance_id":1197,"speaker_name":44,"text":1198,"start_s":1199,"end_s":1200,"word_count":27,"indexable":14},198,"64576","There are organizations that do this, I think it's important to mention.",1172.72,1175.74,{"idx":1202,"utterance_id":1203,"speaker_name":44,"text":1204,"start_s":1205,"end_s":1206,"word_count":225,"indexable":14},199,"64577","I think CERT, which is an organization... Coordinated by Cidamento, is an organization that for many decades has been proposing this type of affirmative policies, but of course overall things are still very incipient.",1176.14,1188.6,{"idx":1208,"utterance_id":1209,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1210,"start_s":1211,"end_s":1212,"word_count":291,"indexable":14},200,"64578","With all the complexity that Brazilian society is, we elected a president who cannot hide, even though he has tried, sometimes tries, to hide his psychological problems with... with women, with black people, with Northeasterners; in short, he has difficulty dealing with the concept of difference.",1189.72,1213.56,{"idx":1214,"utterance_id":1215,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1216,"start_s":1217,"end_s":1218,"word_count":143,"indexable":14},201,"64579","Do you think there was also, in the 2018 election, a certain reaction from those who viewed with concern this more radical movement, from a democratic point of view, of actually looking out for all Brazilians?",1214.02,1231.98,{"idx":1220,"utterance_id":1221,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1222,"start_s":1223,"end_s":1224,"word_count":145,"indexable":14},202,"64580","Did you feel that as... a black woman, in your interaction with your peers, with other women, with other black people—was that noticeable?",1232.08,1243.5,{"idx":1226,"utterance_id":1227,"speaker_name":44,"text":1228,"start_s":1229,"end_s":1230,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},203,"64581","We understand that it is also a response to those advances that happened in recent years.",1244.6,1249.86,{"idx":1232,"utterance_id":1233,"speaker_name":44,"text":1234,"start_s":1235,"end_s":1236,"word_count":168,"indexable":14},204,"64582","I usually say that in recent years we experienced some ripples, some progressive waves, and then things came back again to how they were before.",1250.3,1258.08,{"idx":1238,"utterance_id":1239,"speaker_name":44,"text":1240,"start_s":1241,"end_s":1242,"word_count":179,"indexable":14},205,"64583","So we also perceive that it is a reaction to those advances, together with the whole media discourse of criminalizing the PT that existed, and so many other things.",1258.62,1268.56,{"idx":1244,"utterance_id":1245,"speaker_name":44,"text":1246,"start_s":1247,"end_s":1248,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},206,"64584","But indeed it is a response to that; it's as if they were saying, go back to your places, you've advanced too far.",1269.14,1275.94,{"idx":1250,"utterance_id":1251,"speaker_name":44,"text":1252,"start_s":1253,"end_s":1254,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},207,"64585","And, unfortunately, that's what hurts us a lot, to feel that this process is being blocked.",1276.66,1282.82,{"idx":1256,"utterance_id":1257,"speaker_name":44,"text":1258,"start_s":1259,"end_s":1260,"word_count":501,"indexable":14},208,"64586","The budget cuts in public universities, this project, actually, of the public university they want to implement, regarding the titling of quilombola lands, regarding indigenous peoples... we feel that this is indeed a response to those advances that existed in recent years. In Rio de Janeiro, under this state government, so many people have never been killed before; now, looking at the first semester in Rio de Janeiro, at how the Rio police are killing in Rio de Janeiro.",1282.88,1316.72,{"idx":1262,"utterance_id":1263,"speaker_name":44,"text":1264,"start_s":1265,"end_s":1266,"word_count":267,"indexable":14},209,"64587","So we perceive that yes, although I recognize the advances of recent years—of course we have points to raise and criticisms—it's undeniable that there were some advances and we perceive this very violent reaction as a way to block them.",1317.1,1331.64,{"idx":229,"utterance_id":1268,"speaker_name":44,"text":1269,"start_s":1270,"end_s":1271,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},"64588","I think the university, for the first time in Brazil, was in fact more diverse.",1332.68,1337.82,{"idx":1273,"utterance_id":1274,"speaker_name":44,"text":1275,"start_s":1276,"end_s":1277,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},211,"64589","Indeed, there were policies that significantly changed the lives of groups that until then had been made invisible.",1338.9,1345.52,{"idx":1279,"utterance_id":1280,"speaker_name":44,"text":1281,"start_s":1282,"end_s":1283,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},212,"64590","So we perceive, even by how people feel, that they are feeling more at ease.",1345.88,1351.94,{"idx":1285,"utterance_id":1286,"speaker_name":44,"text":1287,"start_s":1288,"end_s":1289,"word_count":103,"indexable":14},213,"64591","and much more comfortable saying things they wouldn't have said a short time ago.",1353.5,1359.04,{"idx":1291,"utterance_id":1292,"speaker_name":44,"text":1293,"start_s":1294,"end_s":1295,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},214,"64592","Misogynistic, racist things, as if saying that were being cool, hip, being against the 'feminist whining'.",1360.02,1368.38,{"idx":1297,"utterance_id":1298,"speaker_name":44,"text":1299,"start_s":1300,"end_s":1301,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},215,"64593","This issue was posed as being a person who has the courage to confront political correctness.",1368.48,1374.92,{"idx":1303,"utterance_id":1304,"speaker_name":44,"text":1305,"start_s":1306,"end_s":1307,"word_count":103,"indexable":14},216,"64594","There ended up being this inversion of values and people are feeling much more... Authorized.",1374.98,1381.5,{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":44,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},217,"64595","Authorized, that's the word, authorized to do things that some time ago they wouldn't have.",1381.54,1388.38,{"idx":1315,"utterance_id":1316,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1317,"start_s":1318,"end_s":1319,"word_count":53,"indexable":14},218,"64596","Which could be running over a landless person.",1388.46,1390.34,{"idx":1321,"utterance_id":1322,"speaker_name":44,"text":1323,"start_s":1324,"end_s":1325,"word_count":29,"indexable":14},219,"64597","Exactly, as happened.",1390.84,1392.06,{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},220,"64598","To shoot from a helicopter.",1392.1,1393.7,{"idx":252,"utterance_id":1333,"speaker_name":44,"text":1334,"start_s":1335,"end_s":1336,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},"64599","Assaulting a gay young man on Paulista, which happened.",1394.14,1396.9,{"idx":1338,"utterance_id":1339,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1340,"start_s":1341,"end_s":1342,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},222,"64600","Calling all Northeasterners 'paraíba' and so on.",1396.94,1399.5,{"idx":1344,"utterance_id":1345,"speaker_name":44,"text":1346,"start_s":1347,"end_s":1348,"word_count":21,"indexable":14},223,"64601","Exactly, calling, referring to quilombolas as 'arrobas', saying misogynistic things to women, extremely violent expressions that allude to sexual violence.",1399.66,1408.28,{"idx":1350,"utterance_id":1351,"speaker_name":44,"text":1352,"start_s":1353,"end_s":1354,"word_count":36,"indexable":14},224,"64602","thinking all of that is fine.",1409.32,1410.16,{"idx":1356,"utterance_id":1357,"speaker_name":44,"text":1358,"start_s":1359,"end_s":1360,"word_count":126,"indexable":14},225,"64603","I think that in Brazil today we are discussing absurdities, things we shouldn't even be discussing.",1411.02,1415.1,{"idx":1362,"utterance_id":1363,"speaker_name":44,"text":1364,"start_s":1365,"end_s":1366,"word_count":103,"indexable":14},226,"64604","Discussing absurdities like not being allowed to say 'I won't rape you' to a woman.",1416,1422.28,{"idx":1368,"utterance_id":1369,"speaker_name":44,"text":1370,"start_s":1371,"end_s":1372,"word_count":27,"indexable":14},227,"64605","Absurd things like referring to the Northeastern people as 'paraíba'.",1422.88,1426.06,{"idx":1374,"utterance_id":1375,"speaker_name":44,"text":1376,"start_s":1377,"end_s":1378,"word_count":126,"indexable":14},228,"64606","So we are discussing things that shouldn't even be on the agenda for us to be debating.",1426.12,1432.26,{"idx":1380,"utterance_id":1381,"speaker_name":44,"text":1382,"start_s":1383,"end_s":1384,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},229,"64607","So it's a discussion of the absurd today, at a level... with this government that makes us despair.",1432.32,1437.28,{"idx":1386,"utterance_id":1387,"speaker_name":44,"text":1388,"start_s":1389,"end_s":1390,"word_count":285,"indexable":14},230,"64608","We have to tell people the obvious of human decency and you have that represented in a head of State who speaks openly and people thinking all of this—many people, not everyone, obviously—finding all this fine, all this normal.",1437.32,1454,{"idx":1392,"utterance_id":1393,"speaker_name":44,"text":1394,"start_s":1395,"end_s":1396,"word_count":80,"indexable":14},231,"64609","So I think today we are discussing extremely absurd things.",1454.72,1457.44,{"idx":1398,"utterance_id":1399,"speaker_name":44,"text":1400,"start_s":1401,"end_s":1402,"word_count":86,"indexable":14},232,"64610","For us, as Black feminists, it's... distressing to have to talk about certain things.",1457.5,1462.18,{"idx":1404,"utterance_id":1405,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1406,"start_s":1407,"end_s":1408,"word_count":255,"indexable":14},233,"64611","This posture of a head of State, after all, in saying what is inadmissible— as a social movement today, you who are called to speak across Brazil and now beyond Brazil—how is a reaction being sketched?",1462.42,1483.16,{"idx":1410,"utterance_id":1411,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1412,"start_s":1413,"end_s":1414,"word_count":103,"indexable":14},234,"64612","We are still in a period of mourning regarding... How are you seeing this?",1483.76,1489.9,{"idx":1416,"utterance_id":1417,"speaker_name":44,"text":1418,"start_s":1419,"end_s":1420,"word_count":168,"indexable":14},235,"64613","From my travels around Brazil, I perceive that people—especially those who witnessed the advances of recent years—are very organized to resist.",1490.98,1504.5,{"idx":1422,"utterance_id":1423,"speaker_name":44,"text":1424,"start_s":1425,"end_s":1426,"word_count":184,"indexable":14},236,"64614","So, of course all these absurdities are happening, but I think it's important to also say how many movements, collectives, and people there are today who are organized.",1504.86,1514.2,{"idx":1428,"utterance_id":1429,"speaker_name":44,"text":1430,"start_s":1431,"end_s":1432,"word_count":184,"indexable":14},237,"64615","I think it's important also to say that there are people... very young girls creating their collectives, debating feminism; in my time that was unthinkable.",1514.26,1525,{"idx":1434,"utterance_id":1435,"speaker_name":44,"text":1436,"start_s":1437,"end_s":1438,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},238,"64616","This head of State won, but there were also movements that gained ground and that are there resisting.",1526.66,1533.88,{"idx":1440,"utterance_id":1441,"speaker_name":44,"text":1442,"start_s":1443,"end_s":1444,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},239,"64617","So I perceive that people are, of course, lamenting all that is happening in Brazil today.",1533.92,1539.78,{"idx":1446,"utterance_id":1447,"speaker_name":44,"text":1448,"start_s":1449,"end_s":1450,"word_count":78,"indexable":14},240,"64618","Inevitably, there is no way not to lament, but at the same time I perceive organized people, more conscious people, people understanding the importance of debating racial and gender issues.",1540.52,1553.58,{"idx":1452,"utterance_id":1453,"speaker_name":44,"text":1454,"start_s":1455,"end_s":1456,"word_count":143,"indexable":14},241,"64619","We go to very small towns, we leave this southeast axis; for example, we were in Campo Grande, actually in Bonito, Mato Grosso do Sul, a town with 19 thousand inhabitants.",1554.46,1564.74,{"idx":1458,"utterance_id":1459,"speaker_name":44,"text":1460,"start_s":1461,"end_s":1462,"word_count":138,"indexable":14},242,"64620","There were women's collectives debating this, going to schools, women going to hospitals to talk about obstetric violence with other women.",1565.14,1573.88,{"idx":1464,"utterance_id":1465,"speaker_name":44,"text":1466,"start_s":1467,"end_s":1468,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},243,"64621","I was in Acre too; I saw several riverside movements.",1574.44,1577.72,{"idx":1470,"utterance_id":1471,"speaker_name":44,"text":1472,"start_s":1473,"end_s":1474,"word_count":138,"indexable":14},244,"64622","So I think it's also important to say that people—many people—are attentive to what is happening.",1577.76,1584.44,{"idx":1476,"utterance_id":1477,"speaker_name":44,"text":1478,"start_s":1479,"end_s":1480,"word_count":103,"indexable":14},245,"64623","And more than that, they are creating mobilization strategies and strategies of resistance as well.",1585.02,1590.68,{"idx":1482,"utterance_id":1483,"speaker_name":44,"text":1484,"start_s":1485,"end_s":1486,"word_count":67,"indexable":14},246,"64624","to all that is happening in Brazil today.",1591.4,1593.36,{"idx":1488,"utterance_id":1489,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1490,"start_s":1491,"end_s":1492,"word_count":151,"indexable":14},247,"64625","How is it for you to watch or see a black person often defending a point of view that is directly opposed to yours?",1593.62,1607.12,{"idx":1494,"utterance_id":1495,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1496,"start_s":1497,"end_s":1498,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},248,"64626","How do you perceive that?",1608.58,1610.36,{"idx":1500,"utterance_id":1501,"speaker_name":44,"text":1502,"start_s":1503,"end_s":1504,"word_count":214,"indexable":14},249,"64627","So I see it as, first, I don't have to answer for that person, especially since white men are not held accountable because Bolsonaro is president, so why would I be held accountable?",1611.08,1621.16,{"idx":1506,"utterance_id":1507,"speaker_name":44,"text":1508,"start_s":1509,"end_s":1510,"word_count":48,"indexable":14},250,"64628","Because there is a reactionary black person.",1621.22,1622.88,{"idx":1512,"utterance_id":1513,"speaker_name":44,"text":1514,"start_s":1515,"end_s":1516,"word_count":291,"indexable":14},251,"64629","And secondly, understanding our diversity, because we are human and complex, I am in another camp and I will fight, yes, politically, what that person... So I think it's important to understand that, just as there are reactionary white people, there are reactionary Black people, there are reactionary women...",1623.38,1642.24,{"idx":1518,"utterance_id":1519,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1520,"start_s":1521,"end_s":1522,"word_count":120,"indexable":14},252,"64630","But do you feel more like picking up the phone, sending an email, sending an inbox message to the person?",1642.34,1648.64,{"idx":1524,"utterance_id":1525,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1526,"start_s":1527,"end_s":1528,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},253,"64631","Does that in some way...",1649.52,1651.14,{"idx":1530,"utterance_id":1531,"speaker_name":44,"text":1532,"start_s":1533,"end_s":1534,"word_count":27,"indexable":14},254,"64632","No, if the person is very reactionary, not at all.",1652.08,1654.66,{"idx":1536,"utterance_id":1537,"speaker_name":44,"text":1538,"start_s":1539,"end_s":1540,"word_count":86,"indexable":14},255,"64633","We need to politically combat what that person is saying; not at all [would I contact them].",1657.26,1661.42,{"idx":1542,"utterance_id":1543,"speaker_name":44,"text":1544,"start_s":1545,"end_s":1546,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},256,"64634","I only think that many times people want me to give a response to that, that happens.",1662,1666.02,{"idx":1548,"utterance_id":1549,"speaker_name":44,"text":1550,"start_s":1551,"end_s":1552,"word_count":78,"indexable":14},257,"64635","So, there was a recent case of a minister, at the time of the Temer government, who was reactionary; someone wrote to me, Djamila, what do you think about that?",1666.5,1676.46,{"idx":1554,"utterance_id":1555,"speaker_name":44,"text":1556,"start_s":1557,"end_s":1558,"word_count":255,"indexable":14},258,"64636","I said, well, I don't think anything, just as I didn't call you when Geddel was found with a suitcase full of money, when Cunha was caught with corruption, why do I have to respond about that person?",1676.5,1685.24,{"idx":1560,"utterance_id":1561,"speaker_name":44,"text":1562,"start_s":1563,"end_s":1564,"word_count":151,"indexable":14},259,"64637","An individual doesn't have to answer for the group; just as white men are held individually, it's not the group that is held responsible.",1686.12,1692.74,{"idx":1566,"utterance_id":1567,"speaker_name":44,"text":1568,"start_s":1569,"end_s":1570,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},260,"64638","But I believe that I am in another camp.",1693.6,1695.68,{"idx":1572,"utterance_id":1573,"speaker_name":44,"text":1574,"start_s":1575,"end_s":1576,"word_count":34,"indexable":14},261,"64639","And I think we have to politically combat that person's discourse.",1696,1698.96,{"idx":1578,"utterance_id":1579,"speaker_name":44,"text":1580,"start_s":1581,"end_s":1582,"word_count":80,"indexable":14},262,"64640","That's why representativeness is important, but it has limits.",1699.78,1703.8,{"idx":1584,"utterance_id":1585,"speaker_name":44,"text":1586,"start_s":1587,"end_s":1588,"word_count":80,"indexable":14},263,"64641","We also can't fall into the shallow discourse of representativeness.",1703.92,1706.88,{"idx":1590,"utterance_id":1591,"speaker_name":44,"text":1592,"start_s":1593,"end_s":1594,"word_count":157,"indexable":14},264,"64642","So, to truly represent, a person needs to be aligned with the historical demands of that group for dignity, for humanity, for public policies.",1707.42,1721.08,{"idx":1596,"utterance_id":1597,"speaker_name":44,"text":1598,"start_s":1599,"end_s":1600,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},265,"64643","So it's not enough to be a woman.",1721.14,1722.24,{"idx":1602,"utterance_id":1603,"speaker_name":44,"text":1604,"start_s":1605,"end_s":1606,"word_count":27,"indexable":14},266,"64644","This is a criticism that Black feminists have historically made.",1723.12,1725.96,{"idx":1608,"utterance_id":1609,"speaker_name":44,"text":1610,"start_s":1611,"end_s":1612,"word_count":42,"indexable":14},267,"64645","Oh, but she's a woman.",1726.3,1727.24,{"idx":1614,"utterance_id":1615,"speaker_name":44,"text":1616,"start_s":1617,"end_s":1618,"word_count":53,"indexable":14},268,"64646","Okay, but she could be Margaret Thatcher.",1727.32,1728.78,{"idx":1620,"utterance_id":1621,"speaker_name":44,"text":1622,"start_s":1623,"end_s":1624,"word_count":72,"indexable":14},269,"64647","So, if she's a woman who is representing the discourse of power, she does not interest us.",1728.84,1733,{"idx":1626,"utterance_id":1627,"speaker_name":44,"text":1628,"start_s":1629,"end_s":1630,"word_count":179,"indexable":14},270,"64648","Of course we want more women in politics, more Black people in politics, but we also want those people to be committed to emancipation agendas.",1733.38,1742.9,{"idx":1632,"utterance_id":1633,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1634,"start_s":1635,"end_s":1636,"word_count":97,"indexable":14},271,"64649","And what are the new stages of the social movement, of the Black movement in particular?",1743.54,1749.24,{"idx":1638,"utterance_id":1639,"speaker_name":8,"speaker_slug":9,"text":1640,"start_s":1641,"end_s":1642,"word_count":53,"indexable":14},272,"64650","What do you imagine as the next stage?",1749.5,1751.7,{"idx":1644,"utterance_id":1645,"speaker_name":44,"text":1646,"start_s":1647,"end_s":1648,"word_count":525,"indexable":14},273,"64651","We as a movement are very diverse too; there are several currents, several perspectives, we don't necessarily agree among ourselves—quite the opposite, same thing in the feminist movement—but I think that today, as Black feminists, the importance for us is to continue insisting that our lives matter, to make people understand that when we are having this debate, we are not having a debate... While the majority of the population is not included, then yes the debate is particular and sectoral.",1752.68,1785.56,{"idx":1650,"utterance_id":1651,"speaker_name":44,"text":1652,"start_s":1653,"end_s":1654,"word_count":191,"indexable":14},274,"64652","When we are claiming our right to voice, when we are claiming our right to be visible, we are claiming the right to our existence.",1785.84,1794.08,{"idx":1656,"utterance_id":1657,"speaker_name":44,"text":1658,"start_s":1659,"end_s":1660,"word_count":184,"indexable":14},275,"64653","And Brazil, being this country that is majority Black, with all this history, not thinking racial issues as fundamental is leaving aside the majority of the population.",1794.7,1804.74,{"idx":1662,"utterance_id":1663,"speaker_name":44,"text":1664,"start_s":1665,"end_s":1666,"word_count":60,"indexable":14},276,"64654","So I think our struggle is to continue.",1804.82,1807.66,{"idx":1668,"utterance_id":1669,"speaker_name":44,"text":1670,"start_s":1671,"end_s":1672,"word_count":53,"indexable":14},277,"64655","putting these issues on the agenda, formulating them, creating actions.",1808.48,1812.74,{"idx":1674,"utterance_id":1675,"speaker_name":44,"text":1676,"start_s":1677,"end_s":1678,"word_count":363,"indexable":14},278,"64656","I am part of an editorial project to publish Pessoas Negras, but so that people understand that it's not... We need to confront colonialism, this colonial thinking in Brazil, which still positions us, Black people, often as the enemies of the progressive debate, when in fact what we are saying is, look, we are left out.",1813.42,1831.58,{"idx":1680,"utterance_id":1681,"speaker_name":44,"text":1682,"start_s":1683,"end_s":1684,"word_count":27,"indexable":14},279,"64657","Young Black people are dying, Black women are dying.",1832.9,1835.34,{"idx":1686,"utterance_id":1687,"speaker_name":44,"text":1688,"start_s":1689,"end_s":1690,"word_count":65,"indexable":14},280,"64658","We need to be raised to the status of humanity; we need a new civilizational framework.",1836.36,1840.12,{"idx":1692,"utterance_id":1693,"speaker_name":44,"text":1694,"start_s":1695,"end_s":1696,"word_count":53,"indexable":14},281,"64659","That's what we are saying.",1840.38,1841.46,{"idx":1698,"utterance_id":1699,"speaker_name":44,"text":1700,"start_s":1701,"end_s":1702,"word_count":13,"indexable":14},282,"64660","Thank you, 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