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reasons of security, lack of job opportunities, or even outraged by corruption, they come here to build a country, a land where they can have dignity and better comfort for their family.",80.2,92.3,41,{"idx":111,"utterance_id":112,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":113,"start_s":114,"end_s":115,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},16,"13284","So, Latinos here are very concentrated, mainly in Florida: Cubans, people from El Salvador, Nicaragua, Brazil, Colombia, so it ended up being the perfect place for this audience.",92.36,103.3,27,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":118,"speaker_name":8,"text":119,"start_s":120,"end_s":121,"word_count":122,"indexable":12},"13285","In your speech at CIPAC Latina here in Florida on the first day of the event, you spoke about the judiciary's war in Brazil, which, in your words, the judiciary in Brazil has targeted conservative leaders 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the Democratic Party, to form an association and use his Brazilian inquiries to persecute Trump, Jason Miller, Elon Musk.",950.12,965.24,{"idx":967,"utterance_id":968,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":969,"start_s":970,"end_s":971,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},160,"13428","and several other authorities of the U.S. government.",965.6,968.44,{"idx":973,"utterance_id":974,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":975,"start_s":976,"end_s":977,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},161,"13429","I hope the American institutions are aware of this, because certainly this will happen.",968.84,976.04,{"idx":979,"utterance_id":980,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":981,"start_s":982,"end_s":983,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},162,"13430","It is happening to us here.",976.08,977.06,{"idx":985,"utterance_id":986,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":987,"start_s":988,"end_s":989,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},163,"13431","If nothing is done, it will happen to them in the future as well, if this scenario...",977.92,981.08,{"idx":991,"utterance_id":992,"speaker_name":8,"text":993,"start_s":994,"end_s":995,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},164,"13432","Did you ever meet Elon Musk at any point?",981.3,984.56,{"idx":997,"utterance_id":998,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":999,"start_s":1000,"end_s":1001,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},165,"13433","I prefer, Patrícia, anything I say could involve other people.",985.02,988.74,{"idx":1003,"utterance_id":1004,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1005,"start_s":1006,"end_s":1007,"word_count":245,"indexable":12},166,"13434","I appreciate the question, I'm not dodging it, but I'm saying that for obvious reasons, because we don't live in a healthy democracy, we cannot allow ourselves to publicize certain contacts we may or may not have.",988.94,1002.26,{"idx":1009,"utterance_id":1010,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1011,"start_s":1012,"end_s":1013,"word_count":267,"indexable":12},167,"13435","I give as an example Deputy Gustavo Gaia, who not coincidentally, after saying he was talking to Elon Musk on his cell phone, one or two weeks later the Federal Police raided the deputy's house and seized his cellphone.",1002.66,1014.88,{"idx":1015,"utterance_id":1016,"speaker_name":8,"text":1017,"start_s":1018,"end_s":1019,"word_count":124,"indexable":12},168,"13436","You are here in the United States on leave, an unpaid leave, with personal or family resources.",1017.1,1023.48,{"idx":1021,"utterance_id":1022,"speaker_name":8,"text":1023,"start_s":1024,"end_s":1025,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},169,"13437","How do you deal with news and criticism that come because you are here on leave supported by personal resources and not in the role of deputy?",1023.76,1034.6,{"idx":1027,"utterance_id":1028,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1029,"start_s":1030,"end_s":1031,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},170,"13438","Actually, you do politics much more outside the bureaucratic activities of Brasília.",1035.64,1040.68,{"idx":1033,"utterance_id":1034,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1035,"start_s":1036,"end_s":1037,"word_count":422,"indexable":12},171,"13439","I am living proof that the title of deputy, obviously, is interesting, it can give you standing, but the personal relationships we build, and we only build them on the ground, are sometimes more important than mere, with all due respect — because I have done them several times — bills, which are very difficult to get approved, etc.",1041.6,1062.7,{"idx":1039,"utterance_id":1040,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1041,"start_s":1042,"end_s":1043,"word_count":392,"indexable":12},172,"13440","So, when I came here, I gave an accounting to my electorate, because I am a public servant, I am a slave to the will of those I represent, but I had a lot of support from them and they were able to perceive that the activity I am providing here... is much more essential than the activity I was providing over there in the Chamber of Deputies of Brazil.",1063.48,1082.48,{"idx":1045,"utterance_id":1046,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1047,"start_s":1048,"end_s":1049,"word_count":284,"indexable":12},173,"13441","So, in fact, I receive people offering Pix donations, I turn them down, because I can support myself here with what I have today, I appreciate it, and the proof that they continue to support me is that I keep gaining followers on social networks.",1083,1096.34,{"idx":1051,"utterance_id":1052,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1053,"start_s":1054,"end_s":1055,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},174,"13442","I just passed the 6.3 million followers mark on Instagram, for example.",1096.8,1101.32,{"idx":1057,"utterance_id":1058,"speaker_name":8,"text":1059,"start_s":1060,"end_s":1061,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},175,"13443","Does this leave of absence from the Chamber have a deadline?",1103.14,1107.32,{"idx":1063,"utterance_id":1064,"speaker_name":8,"text":1065,"start_s":1066,"end_s":1067,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},176,"13444","I have to return to work by the end of July.",1107.98,1110.74,{"idx":1069,"utterance_id":1070,"speaker_name":8,"text":1071,"start_s":1072,"end_s":1073,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},177,"13445","And do you already know what you will do?",1110.78,1112.48,{"idx":1075,"utterance_id":1076,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1077,"start_s":1078,"end_s":1079,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},178,"13446","I have not made that decision yet.",1113.4,1114.58,{"idx":1081,"utterance_id":1082,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1083,"start_s":1084,"end_s":1085,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},179,"13447","Can you say?",1114.62,1115.08,{"idx":1087,"utterance_id":1088,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1089,"start_s":1090,"end_s":1091,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},180,"13448","No, I can say it here first-hand to you.",1115.82,1117.86,{"idx":1093,"utterance_id":1094,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1095,"start_s":1096,"end_s":1097,"word_count":267,"indexable":12},181,"13449","I still don't have a decision made regarding that, partly because I have to talk with my wife, this passes through the family, through other factors, but it is very likely that I will not be able to return to Brazil in time.",1118.4,1131.04,{"idx":1099,"utterance_id":1100,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1101,"start_s":1102,"end_s":1103,"word_count":131,"indexable":12},182,"13450","I strongly believe that we will be able to sanction Alexandre de Moraes, that sanction should already have been issued.",1131.48,1135.48,{"idx":1105,"utterance_id":1106,"speaker_name":8,"text":1107,"start_s":1108,"end_s":1109,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},183,"13451","Is there anything you can say?",1135.66,1137.72,{"idx":1111,"utterance_id":1112,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1113,"start_s":1114,"end_s":1115,"word_count":124,"indexable":12},184,"13452","On two occasions, I can say, his sanction already had a date set to be issued.",1138.12,1142.96,{"idx":1117,"utterance_id":1118,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1119,"start_s":1120,"end_s":1121,"word_count":217,"indexable":12},185,"13453","And they only didn't occur due to political instabilities, the last of which was Israel's bombing of Iran, and that captured the attention of the whole White House, otherwise Moraes would already be sanctioned.",1143.2,1152.78,{"idx":1123,"utterance_id":1124,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1125,"start_s":1126,"end_s":1127,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},186,"13454","That one, first love there to SBT.",1154.06,1155.46,{"idx":1129,"utterance_id":1130,"speaker_name":8,"text":1131,"start_s":1132,"end_s":1133,"word_count":63,"indexable":12},187,"13455","So you said you still don't know exactly in what situation you will remain in the United States.",1155.94,1162.34,{"idx":1135,"utterance_id":1136,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1137,"start_s":1138,"end_s":1139,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},188,"13456","There is the whole migration issue, visas, etc.",1163.44,1168.16,{"idx":1141,"utterance_id":1142,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1143,"start_s":1144,"end_s":1145,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},189,"13457","But that is also well underway, it doesn't worry me.",1168.54,1170.7,{"idx":1147,"utterance_id":1148,"speaker_name":8,"text":1149,"start_s":1150,"end_s":1151,"word_count":131,"indexable":12},190,"13458","In a recent interview with a Brazilian magazine, you indicated that you intend to run for the presidency in 2026.",1171,1181.06,{"idx":1153,"utterance_id":1154,"speaker_name":8,"text":1155,"start_s":1156,"end_s":1157,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},191,"13459","Is it a plan or is it already a decided decision?",1181.46,1182.88,{"idx":1159,"utterance_id":1160,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1161,"start_s":1162,"end_s":1163,"word_count":319,"indexable":12},192,"13460","I have never campaigned, I have never spoken openly about it, but I was very happy when my name appeared in Paraná Pesquisas tied with Lula within the margin of error and also more recently in the Futura poll, putting me four or five points ahead of Lula in a possible second round.",1183.46,1200.88,{"idx":1165,"utterance_id":1166,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1167,"start_s":1168,"end_s":1169,"word_count":182,"indexable":12},193,"13461","This shows that the name Bolsonaro remains firm and strong, that Jair Bolsonaro has his leadership preserved and he, for me, has to be the candidate.",1201.58,1209.52,{"idx":1171,"utterance_id":1172,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1173,"start_s":1174,"end_s":1175,"word_count":350,"indexable":12},194,"13462","The presidency, there's no reason why he shouldn't be, this absurd decision of the TSE (Superior Electoral Court) in record time, making him ineligible for eight years because he met with ambassadors and criticized the electronic voting machine, and because he made a speech to about a million people without using public resources, this is an affront to democracy.",1210,1228.64,{"idx":1177,"utterance_id":1178,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1179,"start_s":1180,"end_s":1181,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},195,"13463","This is engineering it through the courts... that opponent who is going to beat Lula.",1229.06,1233.22,{"idx":1183,"utterance_id":1184,"speaker_name":8,"text":1185,"start_s":1186,"end_s":1187,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},196,"13464","But if that possibility doesn't exist, you are the name.",1233.38,1236.64,{"idx":1189,"utterance_id":1190,"speaker_name":8,"text":1191,"start_s":1192,"end_s":1193,"word_count":92,"indexable":12},197,"13465","I put my name at disposal, if President Jair Bolsonaro deems it appropriate.",1236.78,1240.86,{"idx":1195,"utterance_id":1196,"speaker_name":8,"text":1197,"start_s":1198,"end_s":1199,"word_count":45,"indexable":12},198,"13466","Have you had that conversation?",1240.98,1242.18,{"idx":1201,"utterance_id":1202,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1203,"start_s":1204,"end_s":1205,"word_count":25,"indexable":12},199,"13467","He hasn't made the final decision.",1243.5,1244.48,{"idx":1207,"utterance_id":1208,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1209,"start_s":1210,"end_s":1211,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},200,"13468","I think he is very right, President Bolsonaro.",1244.52,1246.54,{"idx":1213,"utterance_id":1214,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1215,"start_s":1216,"end_s":1217,"word_count":103,"indexable":12},201,"13469","As long as there is the possibility of him reversing all this and my launching myself for the presidency of the Republic, he indeed doesn't have to pass the baton to someone else.",1246.62,1253.04,{"idx":1219,"utterance_id":1220,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1221,"start_s":1222,"end_s":1223,"word_count":278,"indexable":12},202,"13470","Because it doesn't make sense, imagine, he today comes and supports someone, soon the scenario changes, he can run, then he will have to take back the support, but he has already made commitments, so this instability doesn't allow him to act that way.",1253.08,1266.02,{"idx":1225,"utterance_id":1226,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1227,"start_s":1228,"end_s":1229,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},203,"13471","And I have great faith that he will be able to run as a candidate.",1266.08,1268.72,{"idx":1231,"utterance_id":1232,"speaker_name":8,"text":1233,"start_s":1234,"end_s":1235,"word_count":71,"indexable":12},204,"13472","If you are the name, what would that campaign be like while you are here in the United States?",1269.48,1273.66,{"idx":1237,"utterance_id":1238,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1239,"start_s":1240,"end_s":1241,"word_count":194,"indexable":12},205,"13473","For me to be the name, we have to sanction Alexandre de Moraes so that I have the comfort of returning to Brazil without suffering any retaliation.",1273.88,1280.26,{"idx":1243,"utterance_id":1244,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1245,"start_s":1246,"end_s":1247,"word_count":188,"indexable":12},206,"13474","It is not acceptable for me to be condemned overnight to 12 years in prison because of my activity, which two months ago he said was legal.",1281.36,1288.14,{"idx":1249,"utterance_id":1250,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1251,"start_s":1252,"end_s":1253,"word_count":84,"indexable":12},207,"13475","So everything hinges on that, but I think that at the right moment, all in God's time, we will be able to have a clearer scenario of how this 2026 race will be.",1289.22,1299.24,{"idx":1255,"utterance_id":1256,"speaker_name":8,"text":1257,"start_s":1258,"end_s":1259,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},208,"13476","How do you see Brazil today on the international stage?",1299.64,1302.4,{"idx":1261,"utterance_id":1262,"speaker_name":8,"text":1263,"start_s":1264,"end_s":1265,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},209,"13477","You who have been here... some time.",1302.94,1306.18,{"idx":1267,"utterance_id":1268,"speaker_name":8,"text":1269,"start_s":1270,"end_s":1271,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},210,"13478","In relation to the economy and also the topic of immigration, which was addressed at CEPAC Latino here and which impacts the countries of South and Central America.",1306.68,1317.62,{"idx":1273,"utterance_id":1274,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1275,"start_s":1276,"end_s":1277,"word_count":27,"indexable":12},211,"13479","Yes, certainly.",1317.7,1318.44,{"idx":1279,"utterance_id":1280,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1281,"start_s":1282,"end_s":1283,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},212,"13480","Regarding the immigration issue, we are foreigners.",1318.48,1321.96,{"idx":1285,"utterance_id":1286,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1287,"start_s":1288,"end_s":1289,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},213,"13481","It is up to the United States to make the regulation and the relevant legislation of the country.",1322.42,1327.34,{"idx":1291,"utterance_id":1292,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1293,"start_s":1294,"end_s":1295,"word_count":155,"indexable":12},214,"13482","And there was a lot of criticism due to the massive... illegal migration, which was even increasing crime rates in the United States.",1327.56,1337.96,{"idx":1297,"utterance_id":1298,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1299,"start_s":1300,"end_s":1301,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},215,"13483","So what I see is Trump wanting to fix that kind of thing.",1338.04,1341.28,{"idx":1303,"utterance_id":1304,"speaker_name":8,"text":1305,"start_s":1306,"end_s":1307,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},216,"13484","Do you see it as the right decision?",1341.36,1342.84,{"idx":1309,"utterance_id":1310,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1311,"start_s":1312,"end_s":1313,"word_count":58,"indexable":12},217,"13485","I see that it is an internal policy of theirs.",1343.62,1344.98,{"idx":1315,"utterance_id":1316,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1317,"start_s":1318,"end_s":1319,"word_count":129,"indexable":12},218,"13486","I am not comfortable commenting on whether it is right or wrong, because it has a lot to do with them.",1345.02,1349.1,{"idx":1321,"utterance_id":1322,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1323,"start_s":1324,"end_s":1325,"word_count":73,"indexable":12},219,"13487","Now, of course, living here in the United States, I am grateful.",1349.16,1351.82,{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":136,"indexable":12},220,"13488","When he sends the criminals from Trem da Arágua, or maybe in the future even from the PCC, to Nayib Bukele's prisons in El Salvador... I am much happier, because they are rapists, they are criminals.",1351.86,1362,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":98,"indexable":12},221,"13489","These types of people really do have to be deported, extradited, etc.",1362.36,1367.08,{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":131,"indexable":12},222,"13490","But returning to your first question about Brazil, all you have to do is take the temperature to watch the BRICS meeting.",1367.78,1373.1,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},223,"13491","These are the countries, theoretically, allied with Lula.",1374.18,1376.54,{"idx":1351,"utterance_id":1352,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1353,"start_s":1354,"end_s":1355,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},224,"13492","Neither Putin nor Xi Jinping made themselves available to come to Brazil.",1377.04,1380.2,{"idx":1357,"utterance_id":1358,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1359,"start_s":1360,"end_s":1361,"word_count":116,"indexable":12},225,"13493","And the more Lula places himself on the side of terrorist groups, the smaller he makes... he makes Brazil increasingly a diplomatic dwarf.",1380.68,1389.94,{"idx":1363,"utterance_id":1364,"speaker_name":8,"text":1365,"start_s":1366,"end_s":1367,"word_count":111,"indexable":12},226,"13494","It's that Putin also faces a conviction by a court and he could be detained.",1389.98,1395.82,{"idx":1369,"utterance_id":1370,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1371,"start_s":1372,"end_s":1373,"word_count":63,"indexable":12},227,"13495","and there isn't that... Yes, but Maduro was received at Lula's inauguration here in Brazil.",1395.88,1399.14,{"idx":1375,"utterance_id":1376,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1377,"start_s":1378,"end_s":1379,"word_count":129,"indexable":12},228,"13496","So, the discrediting of Lula ends up being noticeable when Putin, perhaps out of fear of that, does not want to come to Brazil.",1399.82,1407.8,{"idx":1381,"utterance_id":1382,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1383,"start_s":1384,"end_s":1385,"word_count":86,"indexable":12},229,"13497","But Brazil no longer has room anywhere in the world.",1409.36,1411.86,{"idx":1387,"utterance_id":1388,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1389,"start_s":1390,"end_s":1391,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},230,"13498","Lula wants to be a mediator while taking the side of terrorists.",1412.1,1414.96,{"idx":1393,"utterance_id":1394,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1395,"start_s":1396,"end_s":1397,"word_count":51,"indexable":12},231,"13499","No one will take that seriously.",1415.04,1416.34,{"idx":1399,"utterance_id":1400,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1401,"start_s":1402,"end_s":1403,"word_count":79,"indexable":12},232,"13500","He receives warships from Iran that are sanctioned by the United States.",1416.88,1420.2,{"idx":1405,"utterance_id":1406,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1407,"start_s":1408,"end_s":1409,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},233,"13501","Ships that have already been accused of trafficking terrorists.",1420.52,1422.94,{"idx":1411,"utterance_id":1412,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1413,"start_s":1414,"end_s":1415,"word_count":32,"indexable":12},234,"13502","My God, what kind of country is this?",1423.92,1425.92,{"idx":1417,"utterance_id":1418,"speaker_name":66,"speaker_slug":67,"text":1419,"start_s":1420,"end_s":1421,"word_count":182,"indexable":12},235,"13503","It's a country where the people who accepted César and Batiste staying here in Brazil say that the people of January 8 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