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Public Ministry), the Senate, in the drafting of that triple shortlist.",1190.66,1199.94,{"idx":1522,"utterance_id":1523,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1524,"start_s":1525,"end_s":1526,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},208,"75477","And that it would reach the president, and if I'm president I would give that up.",1200.82,1205.14,{"idx":1528,"utterance_id":1529,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1530,"start_s":1531,"end_s":1532,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},209,"75478","I want qualified people.",1205.26,1207.22,{"idx":1534,"utterance_id":1535,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1536,"start_s":1537,"end_s":1538,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},210,"75479","I don't have any names.",1207.72,1209.04,{"idx":1540,"utterance_id":1541,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1542,"start_s":1543,"end_s":1544,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},211,"75480","That one there is my friend, that one there is my 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absurd.",1230.56,1231.88,{"idx":1583,"utterance_id":1584,"speaker_name":238,"text":1585,"start_s":1586,"end_s":1587,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":1588,"topic_label":1589,"target_id":1590,"target_proposition":1591,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1592,"rationale":1593,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},218,"75487","You also advocate for the impeachment of STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) ministers, but that is an agenda that... has never advanced.",1232.04,1238.58,"investigacao-e-responsabilizacao-judicial","Investigation and Judicial Accountability","5959294f-f900-447b-830e-87ca3bb6d207","promote impeachment of magistrates of the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal)",0.65,"interviewer states that he supports impeachment, reporting the position without detailing the method.",{"idx":1595,"utterance_id":1596,"speaker_name":238,"text":1597,"start_s":1598,"end_s":1599,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},219,"75488","Impeachment of STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) 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impeachment.",{"idx":1618,"utterance_id":1619,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1620,"start_s":1621,"end_s":1622,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":1611,"topic_label":1612,"target_id":1623,"target_proposition":1624,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":1625,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},222,"75491","Natuza, those who follow this impeachment issue know that it is the president of the Senate who shelved everything.",1250.74,1258.48,"e67eabaa-8f4c-49d2-b022-0bf46a4134f2","approve impeachment of ministers","attributes the delay to the president of the Senate, implying support for approving impeachments.",{"idx":1627,"utterance_id":1628,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1629,"start_s":1630,"end_s":1631,"word_count":269,"topic_slug":1611,"topic_label":1612,"target_id":1623,"target_proposition":1624,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1632,"rationale":1633,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},223,"75492","He is the one who shelves impeachment 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problem, which is having ministers who are there using the office to enrich themselves, despite already receiving one of the highest salaries in Brazil.",1264.98,1287.1,"4f5906d2-67f8-4320-9f3e-0112c6841e0a","approve impeachment of ministers who use office for enrichment","proposes a solution for ministers who enrich themselves in office — advocates action (impeachment).",{"idx":1651,"utterance_id":1652,"speaker_name":238,"text":1653,"start_s":1654,"end_s":1655,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},226,"75495","I wanted to talk with you a bit about politics.",1288.56,1290.8,{"idx":1657,"utterance_id":1658,"speaker_name":238,"text":1659,"start_s":1660,"end_s":1661,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":211,"topic_label":212,"target_id":1662,"target_proposition":1663,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1664,"rationale":1665,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},227,"75496","About the running mate you chose on the penultimate day of the deadline, Eduardo Girão.",1291.76,1295.64,"281b4d5f-77c8-457e-b98b-a9927a4cb8d3","announce the running mate in advance",0.7,"journalistic question about the late vice announcement, without an explicit normative stance.",{"idx":1667,"utterance_id":1668,"speaker_name":238,"text":1669,"start_s":1670,"end_s":1671,"word_count":480,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},228,"75497","I kept thinking: he's from the same party as you, and we were waiting. I saw you speaking on Antagonista; this week you were in an interview, and when they asked, 'ah, when is it going to happen?'",1296.54,1306.86,{"idx":1673,"utterance_id":1674,"speaker_name":238,"text":1675,"start_s":1676,"end_s":1677,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},229,"75498","'It's coming, it's coming, it's coming,' but it took too long.",1307.18,1309.72,{"idx":1679,"utterance_id":1680,"speaker_name":238,"text":1681,"start_s":1682,"end_s":1683,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":211,"topic_label":212,"target_id":1684,"target_proposition":1685,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1664,"rationale":1686,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},230,"75499","Why did you have so much difficulty forming the alliance?",1309.98,1312.42,"973a8d7b-00ac-40b9-9ff7-e8a689a1d758","form alliances and political coalitions for the campaign","asks about difficulty in composing alliances\u002Ftickets, informative 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options for choosing a running mate","says he had been evaluating internal and external options for forming the ticket.",{"idx":1751,"utterance_id":1752,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1753,"start_s":1754,"end_s":1755,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},240,"75509","And you're going to...",1337.18,1337.94,{"idx":1757,"utterance_id":1758,"speaker_name":238,"text":1759,"start_s":1760,"end_s":1761,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},241,"75510","But what does he add, being from the same party, I mean...",1338.14,1340.86,{"idx":1763,"utterance_id":1764,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1765,"start_s":1766,"end_s":1767,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":211,"topic_label":212,"target_id":1768,"target_proposition":1769,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":1770,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},242,"75511","Well, first, he's from another state, he's from a different region.",1341.74,1346.76,"2e704834-5c70-42ac-8aee-59a3d1281886","choose a running 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impunity.",{"idx":1781,"utterance_id":1782,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1783,"start_s":1784,"end_s":1785,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1777,"target_proposition":1778,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":1786,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},244,"75513","He's one of the strongest critics of those aberrations in Brasília.",1353.64,1358.66,"says Girão criticizes aberrations in Brasília — reinforces an anti-corruption priority.",{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1788,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1789,"start_s":1790,"end_s":1791,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":1792,"topic_label":1793,"target_id":1794,"target_proposition":1795,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1796,"rationale":1797,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},"75514","So, he also isn't compromised.",1359.24,1361.24,"etica-e-integridade-publica","Ethics and Public Integrity","7d0733d2-5c70-494b-b166-6ea8ea2847f4","have on the ticket a running mate with a clean record and no involvement in irregularities",0.82,"highlights that the vice is 'ficha limpa' and without 'rabo preso' as justification.",{"idx":1799,"utterance_id":1800,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1801,"start_s":1802,"end_s":1803,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":1792,"topic_label":1793,"target_id":1804,"target_proposition":1805,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":1806,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},246,"75515","I've always said I want someone by my side who can criticize without having anything to fear.",1361.3,1367.38,"8e4b3b4f-5ef8-4b33-8f2a-88cbb4c3f08a","choose a running mate without conflicts of interest","says they want someone who can criticize without fearing retaliation (no conflicts).",{"idx":1808,"utterance_id":1809,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1810,"start_s":1811,"end_s":1812,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},247,"75516","He doesn't have a son involved in anything; he has a clean record.",1367.8,1370.66,{"idx":1814,"utterance_id":1815,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1816,"start_s":1817,"end_s":1818,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":1819,"topic_label":1820,"target_id":1821,"target_proposition":1822,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":1823,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},248,"75517","So that's what I want: the freedom to expose these aberrations that are happening.",1370.94,1376.26,"transparencia-e-investigacao","Transparency & Investigation","e06894af-e671-4f4f-9a2a-7d125637f7fe","document governmental irregularities and make them public","wants freedom to expose 'aberrações' occurring in politics.",{"idx":1825,"utterance_id":1826,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1827,"start_s":1828,"end_s":1829,"word_count":463,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},249,"75518","Now, if I bring someone from my own side, they'll say 'you can't go there because I'm involved in the process,' and they'll go after me later; I absolutely don't want 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more or less anticipated it and I saw that something was going to change, mainly because of Senator Cleitinho.",1438.5,1449.6,{"idx":1898,"utterance_id":1899,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1900,"start_s":1901,"end_s":1902,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},261,"75530","From the start I said I didn't believe he would follow through with his candidacy.",1449.98,1456.58,{"idx":1904,"utterance_id":1905,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1906,"start_s":1907,"end_s":1908,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},262,"75531","So I had already anticipated it.",1456.94,1457.88,{"idx":1910,"utterance_id":1911,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1912,"start_s":1913,"end_s":1914,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},263,"75532","The tangle that arose there left the parties somewhat scattered.",1459.52,1464.7,{"idx":1916,"utterance_id":1917,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1918,"start_s":1919,"end_s":1920,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},264,"75533","I didn't foresee that.",1464.78,1465.76,{"idx":1922,"utterance_id":1923,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1924,"start_s":1925,"end_s":1926,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},265,"75534","And Matheus Simões, who is the current governor, went there and showed he's capable of making a good coalition.",1466.22,1474.04,{"idx":1928,"utterance_id":1929,"speaker_name":238,"text":1930,"start_s":1931,"end_s":1932,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":211,"topic_label":212,"target_id":1933,"target_proposition":1934,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":1935,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},266,"75535","But do you run the risk of being left without a strong campaign platform in Minas?",1474.4,1477.6,"54d11b64-d477-4787-aa85-b4ac265bf489","maintain a strong political presence in Minas 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him.",1508.32,1509.54,{"idx":2005,"utterance_id":2006,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2007,"start_s":2008,"end_s":2009,"word_count":641,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},278,"75547","Brilliant, he was my right-hand man for seven and a half years, and now he comes with political strength, led by the PSD; yesterday he made an agreement there with several other parties; that means more mayors, more deputies working for him, more TV time, and he carries the DNA of Partido Novo; he was with me for seven years and is carrying forward everything that was planned.",1510.52,1538.54,{"idx":506,"utterance_id":2011,"speaker_name":238,"text":2012,"start_s":2013,"end_s":2014,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},"75548","You spoke about the state's situation, but there, according to Quest, you appeared in third place with 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polls?",1564.84,1567.9,{"idx":2034,"utterance_id":2035,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2036,"start_s":2037,"end_s":2038,"word_count":622,"topic_slug":1792,"topic_label":1793,"target_id":2039,"target_proposition":2040,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":2041,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},283,"75552","Natuza, I've traveled across Brazil, I've been to the Northeast, I've been to the South, I've presented my proposals to Brazilians, shown what I did in my seven and a half years leading my state: zero corruption, no relatives that I brought into my government, and Brazilians will tune into election mode on the eve.",1568.98,1597.24,"332d1db0-8b5c-4d3f-aaa2-f2e366935c4b","promote integrity and transparency in public administration","claims 'zero corrupção, zero parentes' as part of his governmental track record.",{"idx":2043,"utterance_id":2044,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2045,"start_s":2046,"end_s":2047,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},284,"75553","If it depended on polls, I know each election is different; I would never have been elected governor in 2018.",1597.88,1609.22,{"idx":2049,"utterance_id":2050,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2051,"start_s":2052,"end_s":2053,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},285,"75554","Until the last day before the election, I was far behind.",1609.72,1614.92,{"idx":2055,"utterance_id":2056,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2057,"start_s":2058,"end_s":2059,"word_count":503,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},286,"75555","And at the last minute, when the voter from Minas went to decide whom to vote for... He saw that there was a guy there who had worked his whole life, since childhood, who was different from the system and deserved a vote of confidence.",1615.68,1630.64,{"idx":2061,"utterance_id":2062,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2063,"start_s":2064,"end_s":2065,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},287,"75556","An election is very similar to going to a restaurant.",1631.48,1635.48,{"idx":2067,"utterance_id":2068,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2069,"start_s":2070,"end_s":2071,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},288,"75557","You only open the menu and look at it when you arrive.",1635.62,1641.18,{"idx":2073,"utterance_id":2074,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2075,"start_s":2076,"end_s":2077,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},289,"75558","I don't know anyone who asks for the menu a month or two in advance to keep looking at the dishes.",1641.76,1648.98,{"idx":2079,"utterance_id":2080,"speaker_name":238,"text":2081,"start_s":2082,"end_s":2083,"word_count":447,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},290,"75559","You talked about the people of Minas, so why do more than half of the voters from Minas who know you say they wouldn't vote for you, according to July data from Quest?",1649.02,1658.7,{"idx":2085,"utterance_id":2086,"speaker_name":238,"text":2087,"start_s":2088,"end_s":2089,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},291,"75560","Know and would vote 40%; know and would not vote 53%.",1659.1,1662.28,{"idx":2091,"utterance_id":2092,"speaker_name":238,"text":2093,"start_s":2094,"end_s":2095,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},292,"75561","What's your explanation for that?",1664.34,1666.04,{"idx":2097,"utterance_id":2098,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2099,"start_s":2100,"end_s":2101,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},293,"75562","Sadi?",1667.66,1668.02,{"idx":2103,"utterance_id":2104,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2105,"start_s":2106,"end_s":2107,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},294,"75563","Polls — once again, I have always oriented myself by them, I respect polls, but when the moment arrives, things are always subject to change.",1668.84,1682.4,{"idx":2109,"utterance_id":2110,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2111,"start_s":2112,"end_s":2113,"word_count":425,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},295,"75564","Now, among the candidates already running for the presidency, we have the overall rejection rates, and mine is one of the lowest.",1682.64,1697.18,{"idx":2115,"utterance_id":2116,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2117,"start_s":2118,"end_s":2119,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},296,"75565","There are me and others who aren't polling so well, but with a much lower rejection rate.",1697.72,1704.54,{"idx":2121,"utterance_id":2122,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2123,"start_s":2124,"end_s":2125,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},297,"75566","What we need is to look at Brazil's context.",1704.96,1707.72,{"idx":2127,"utterance_id":2128,"speaker_name":238,"text":2129,"start_s":2130,"end_s":2131,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},298,"75567","Yes, because we know that rejection is also linked to lack of familiarity.",1708.08,1713.94,{"idx":2133,"utterance_id":2134,"speaker_name":238,"text":2135,"start_s":2136,"end_s":2137,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},299,"75568","Exactly.",1714.18,1714.9,{"idx":2139,"utterance_id":2140,"speaker_name":238,"text":2141,"start_s":2142,"end_s":2143,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},300,"75569","But there's a point here that's important to emphasize.",1715.06,1719,{"idx":2145,"utterance_id":2146,"speaker_name":238,"text":2147,"start_s":2148,"end_s":2149,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},301,"75570","You in third place in the state you just governed.",1719.78,1722.76,{"idx":2151,"utterance_id":2152,"speaker_name":238,"text":2153,"start_s":2154,"end_s":2155,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},302,"75571","Therefore... a portion of the voters who know you, as Sadi said, don't want to vote for you.",1722.88,1729.7,{"idx":2157,"utterance_id":2158,"speaker_name":238,"text":2159,"start_s":2160,"end_s":2161,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},303,"75572","Your rival, Ronaldo Caiado, in his state, is in first place.",1730.18,1735,{"idx":2163,"utterance_id":2164,"speaker_name":238,"text":2165,"start_s":2166,"end_s":2167,"word_count":491,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},304,"75573","So we need to understand what's missing for you in Minas in order to conquer Brazil, since you know better than we do that Minas is the mirror state, the state that decides.",1735.04,1746.26,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":2169,"speaker_name":238,"text":2170,"start_s":2171,"end_s":2172,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},"75574","If you win in Minas, you win in Brazil.",1746.32,1748.72,{"idx":2174,"utterance_id":2175,"speaker_name":238,"text":2176,"start_s":2177,"end_s":2178,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},306,"75575","At least that's how it was in every election.",1748.78,1750.96,{"idx":2180,"utterance_id":2181,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2182,"start_s":2183,"end_s":2184,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},307,"75576","Exactly, Natuza.",1751.74,1753.28,{"idx":2186,"utterance_id":2187,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2188,"start_s":2189,"end_s":2190,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},308,"75577","Natuza, in Minas Gerais, they've already shown me there.",1753.94,1757.46,{"idx":2192,"utterance_id":2193,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2194,"start_s":2195,"end_s":2196,"word_count":441,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},309,"75578","When you ask a voter from Minas who he'll vote for governor this year, my name often appears listed, even though I'm not a candidate for governor.",1757.64,1769.98,{"idx":2198,"utterance_id":2199,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2200,"start_s":2201,"end_s":2202,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},310,"75579","Brazilians, the people from Minas, are not yet tuned into election mode.",1771.04,1777.18,{"idx":2204,"utterance_id":2205,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2206,"start_s":2207,"end_s":2208,"word_count":474,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},311,"75580","And maybe in Goiás people are better informed; Minas has 853 municipalities, many people in rural areas; it's one of the hardest places to do polls in Brazil because of the state's diversity.",1777.56,1794.14,{"idx":2210,"utterance_id":2211,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2212,"start_s":2213,"end_s":2214,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},312,"75581","And once again, in 2018 no poll pointed to me as someone who had a chance and all the polls pointed to Senator Dilma.",1794.68,1806.36,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":2216,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2217,"start_s":2218,"end_s":2219,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},"75582","And she finished in fourth 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Renan, from what I follow, has a message for young people.",1850.3,1854.68,{"idx":2269,"utterance_id":2270,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2271,"start_s":2272,"end_s":2273,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},322,"75591","And it's something that has a niche.",1855.22,1856.84,{"idx":2275,"utterance_id":2276,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2277,"start_s":2278,"end_s":2279,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},323,"75592","And which, in my opinion, also has a low ceiling.",1857.36,1860,{"idx":2281,"utterance_id":2282,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2283,"start_s":2284,"end_s":2285,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},324,"75593","It's that niche and that's what it will be.",1860.24,1862.34,{"idx":2287,"utterance_id":2288,"speaker_name":238,"text":2289,"start_s":2290,"end_s":2291,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},325,"75594","You already spoke here at the start of the interview about the Banco Master scandal.",1863.26,1868.32,{"idx":2293,"utterance_id":2294,"speaker_name":238,"text":2295,"start_s":2296,"end_s":2297,"word_count":32,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},326,"75595","In May, when the audios of Flávio Bolsonaro with Daniel Vorcaro came to light, you said the following, open quote, it is unforgivable, a slap in the face of decent Brazilians, close quote.",1868.4,1879.66,{"idx":2299,"utterance_id":2300,"speaker_name":238,"text":2301,"start_s":2302,"end_s":2303,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},327,"75596","Then you were criticized by... members of your party, and you began to say the following, quote, that the page had been turned, end quote.",1880.18,1889.82,{"idx":2305,"utterance_id":2306,"speaker_name":238,"text":2307,"start_s":2308,"end_s":2309,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},328,"75597","Were you pressured by the party to change?",1890.58,1892.76,{"idx":2311,"utterance_id":2312,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2313,"start_s":2314,"end_s":2315,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":2316,"topic_label":2317,"target_id":2318,"target_proposition":2319,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":2320,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},329,"75598","Sadi, everything I said I confirm, I don't change anything I said.",1894.14,1902.04,"governanca-e-corrupcao","Governance and Corruption","ca4ce2dc-d770-467e-917d-9a25b7d682e6","criticize politicians' ties to bankers under investigation","confirms previous criticisms of approaches to Daniel Vorcaro; maintains his stance.",{"idx":2322,"utterance_id":2323,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2324,"start_s":2325,"end_s":2326,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},330,"75599","It was a moment of great indignation for me.",1902.86,1905.82,{"idx":2328,"utterance_id":2329,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2330,"start_s":2331,"end_s":2332,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},331,"75600","The New Party, which is my party, made an alliance with PL (Liberal Party) in the southern states.",1906.32,1912.52,{"idx":2334,"utterance_id":2335,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2336,"start_s":2337,"end_s":2338,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},332,"75601","And we were told that there was nothing related to Banco Master.",1913.22,1917.9,{"idx":2340,"utterance_id":2341,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2342,"start_s":2343,"end_s":2344,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},333,"75602","So I expressed myself that way, I confirm that, and in a party, even if it is a small party, we have hundreds of candidates.",1917.94,1928.28,{"idx":2346,"utterance_id":2347,"speaker_name":238,"text":2348,"start_s":2349,"end_s":2350,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},334,"75603","No, but there was a change of tone from you, right?",1928.38,1930.46,{"idx":2352,"utterance_id":2353,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2354,"start_s":2355,"end_s":2356,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},335,"75604","And there were some who thought it was more worthwhile to side with him than with me.",1931.28,1937.92,{"idx":2358,"utterance_id":2359,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2360,"start_s":2361,"end_s":2362,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},336,"75605","And I gave total freedom.",1938.32,1940.44,{"idx":2364,"utterance_id":2365,"speaker_name":238,"text":2366,"start_s":2367,"end_s":2368,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},337,"75606","But what does \"the page had been turned\" 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politics.",1962.6,1964.26,{"idx":2415,"utterance_id":2416,"speaker_name":238,"text":2417,"start_s":2418,"end_s":2419,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},345,"75614","But because of the Master case?",1964.3,1965.58,{"idx":2421,"utterance_id":2422,"speaker_name":238,"text":2423,"start_s":2424,"end_s":2425,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},346,"75615","Was there a loss of support?",1966.1,1967.06,{"idx":2427,"utterance_id":2428,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2429,"start_s":2430,"end_s":2431,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},347,"75616","That was already happening before in the party.",1967.32,1970.04,{"idx":2433,"utterance_id":2434,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2435,"start_s":2436,"end_s":2437,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},348,"75617","Some deputies who came said, we are here with PL (Liberal Party).",1970.26,1975.24,{"idx":2439,"utterance_id":2440,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2441,"start_s":2442,"end_s":2443,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},349,"75618","There were even people who came from PL (Liberal Party) who thought it would be more viable in Novo.",1975.68,1979.78,{"idx":2445,"utterance_id":2446,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2447,"start_s":2448,"end_s":2449,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},350,"75619","So I understand that perfectly.",1980.04,1981.66,{"idx":2451,"utterance_id":2452,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2453,"start_s":2454,"end_s":2455,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},351,"75620","And these divergences are very common, even within the household, let alone within a political party.",1982.02,1987.96,{"idx":2457,"utterance_id":2458,"speaker_name":238,"text":2459,"start_s":2460,"end_s":2461,"word_count":497,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},352,"75621","Now, you have already declared that in a possible second round, if it is Flávio Bolsonaro against President Lula, you have already declared support for Flávio Bolsonaro, but you also criticize, and criticize strongly, those who get close to the banker Daniel Vorcar.",1988.14,2001.72,{"idx":2463,"utterance_id":2464,"speaker_name":238,"text":2465,"start_s":2466,"end_s":2467,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},353,"75622","Isn't there a contradiction in that support you declared?",2001.8,2004.68,{"idx":2469,"utterance_id":2470,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2471,"start_s":2472,"end_s":2473,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},354,"75623","Not at all, Sadi.",2005.2,2008.1,{"idx":2475,"utterance_id":2476,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2477,"start_s":2478,"end_s":2479,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},355,"75624","First, the banker-bandit, you must have heard that from me, was born, grew up, was educated, married, had children, and resides in Belo Horizonte.",2009.2,2021.52,{"idx":577,"utterance_id":2481,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2482,"start_s":2483,"end_s":2484,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},"75625","The same city to which I moved eight years ago.",2022.42,2025.98,{"idx":2486,"utterance_id":2487,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2488,"start_s":2489,"end_s":2490,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},357,"75626","I have never been with him.",2026.26,2028.2,{"idx":2492,"utterance_id":2493,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2494,"start_s":2495,"end_s":2496,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},358,"75627","And he was received on a red carpet in several state capitals of Brazil, in Salvador, in Brasília, by various politicians.",2028.96,2038.4,{"idx":2498,"utterance_id":2499,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2500,"start_s":2501,"end_s":2502,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},359,"75628","And doing all this with left-wing politicians, many of whom even got employed and benefited, and also with right-wing politicians.",2039.8,2047.48,{"idx":2504,"utterance_id":2505,"speaker_name":238,"text":2506,"start_s":2507,"end_s":2508,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},360,"75629","But I just wanted to give your phrase about Daniel Vorcaro, because the question is about the support in relation to Flávio Bolsonaro.",2047.52,2055.48,{"idx":2510,"utterance_id":2511,"speaker_name":238,"text":2512,"start_s":2513,"end_s":2514,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},361,"75630","You said this on July 3, 2026.",2055.86,2058.4,{"idx":2516,"utterance_id":2517,"speaker_name":238,"text":2518,"start_s":2519,"end_s":2520,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},362,"75631","So, I criticize those who get close to this banker, because he is an evil guy.",2058.74,2062.12,{"idx":2522,"utterance_id":2523,"speaker_name":238,"text":2524,"start_s":2525,"end_s":2526,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},363,"75632","Do you agree?",2062.22,2063.02,{"idx":2528,"utterance_id":2529,"speaker_name":238,"text":2530,"start_s":2531,"end_s":2532,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},364,"75633","Whoever gets close to him, for me, missed the mark.",2063.08,2065.1,{"idx":2534,"utterance_id":2535,"speaker_name":238,"text":2536,"start_s":2537,"end_s":2538,"word_count":32,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},365,"75634","So, then, that's what you think of... Vorcar, my question is about the support you will give to Flávio Bolsonaro if he goes to the second round.",2065.9,2073.48,{"idx":2540,"utterance_id":2541,"speaker_name":238,"text":2542,"start_s":2543,"end_s":2544,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},366,"75635","Just to stay on the contradiction.",2074.32,2075.64,{"idx":2546,"utterance_id":2547,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2548,"start_s":2549,"end_s":2550,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},367,"75636","Correct.",2076.16,2076.66,{"idx":2552,"utterance_id":2553,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2554,"start_s":2555,"end_s":2556,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":2557,"topic_label":2558,"target_id":2559,"target_proposition":2560,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":2561,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},368,"75637","Someone who got close to him, I don't think you can applaud.",2077.52,2081.4,"filiacao-partidaria","Party Membership","8120bf8f-1708-4523-918e-88ac3ce1ecd9","not support politicians who approached Daniel Vorcaro","states that one should not applaud those who got close to the investigated banker.",{"idx":2563,"utterance_id":2564,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2565,"start_s":2566,"end_s":2567,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},369,"75638","Who got close to the greatest criminal banker in the history of Brazil.",2081.94,2085.88,{"idx":2569,"utterance_id":2570,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2571,"start_s":2572,"end_s":2573,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},370,"75639","Impossible to be applauding.",2086.42,2088.66,{"idx":2575,"utterance_id":2576,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2577,"start_s":2578,"end_s":2579,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},371,"75640","Now, in the second round, first, I will be there.",2089.72,2093.28,{"idx":2581,"utterance_id":2582,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2583,"start_s":2584,"end_s":2585,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},372,"75641","I am very confident.",2094.72,2095.94,{"idx":2587,"utterance_id":2588,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2589,"start_s":2590,"end_s":2591,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},373,"75642","And in the second round, the right will not vote for the PT (Workers' Party).",2097.06,2100.48,{"idx":2593,"utterance_id":2594,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2595,"start_s":2596,"end_s":2597,"word_count":376,"topic_slug":2598,"topic_label":2599,"target_id":2600,"target_proposition":2601,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":2602,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},374,"75643","I prefer to vote here in this cup than to vote for the PT (Workers' Party), which destroyed my state and is destroying Brazil.",2101.44,2109.24,"eleicoes-presidenciais","Presidential 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family.",{"idx":2613,"utterance_id":2614,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2615,"start_s":2616,"end_s":2617,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":219,"topic_label":108,"target_id":2618,"target_proposition":2619,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":2620,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},376,"75645","I never received a donation from anyone from Banco Master of the Vorkaro family.",2131.06,2137.74,"aa33aa92-3434-4cff-bb1c-17ba708cdfe5","receive donations from the Vorcaro family for my campaign","denies having received personal donations from the family linked to Banco Master.",{"idx":2622,"utterance_id":2623,"speaker_name":238,"text":2624,"start_s":2625,"end_s":2626,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},377,"75646","But your party received 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stamp.",2143.3,2144.44,{"idx":2643,"utterance_id":2644,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2645,"start_s":2646,"end_s":2647,"word_count":173,"topic_slug":219,"topic_label":108,"target_id":2618,"target_proposition":2619,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":2648,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},380,"75649","Yes, but absolutely nothing came to me.",2145,2149.18,"reaffirms that nothing from the Vorcaro family went to him personally.",{"idx":2650,"utterance_id":2651,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2652,"start_s":2653,"end_s":2654,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},381,"75650","Second, that was in 2022.",2149.46,2151.16,{"idx":2656,"utterance_id":2657,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2658,"start_s":2659,"end_s":2660,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},382,"75651","In 2022 there was no indication.",2153.44,2158.34,{"idx":2662,"utterance_id":2663,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2664,"start_s":2665,"end_s":2666,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},383,"75652","that this person was committing the offenses.",2159,2162.1,{"idx":2668,"utterance_id":2669,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2670,"start_s":2671,"end_s":2672,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},384,"75653","Another point, the party in that election received donations from thousands of people.",2163.74,2169.36,{"idx":2674,"utterance_id":2675,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2676,"start_s":2677,"end_s":2678,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":219,"topic_label":108,"target_id":2679,"target_proposition":2680,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":2681,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},385,"75654","And another point, the New Party never made, regardless of amount, any commitment to facilitate anything for anyone should it receive any contribution.",2170.76,2183.66,"d07f06ae-6eb0-494a-8a32-83ca6e90649d","not offer benefits or favors in exchange for party donations","states that the party never pledged to facilitate anything in exchange for donations.",{"idx":2683,"utterance_id":2684,"speaker_name":238,"text":2685,"start_s":2686,"end_s":2687,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},386,"75655","But what we ended up learning, candidate, is that... These people don't do anything for free.",2183.8,2190.08,{"idx":2689,"utterance_id":2690,"speaker_name":238,"text":2691,"start_s":2692,"end_s":2693,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},387,"75656","They don't give money away for free.",2190.78,2192.26,{"idx":2695,"utterance_id":2696,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2697,"start_s":2698,"end_s":2699,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},388,"75657","So it was the first time they did it, because tell me if the New Party did anything for them.",2192.34,2197.78,{"idx":2701,"utterance_id":2702,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2703,"start_s":2704,"end_s":2705,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},389,"75658","I'm sure 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then.",2207.12,2210.5,{"idx":2722,"utterance_id":2723,"speaker_name":238,"text":2724,"start_s":2725,"end_s":2726,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},392,"75661","Did you advise the party to return that money?",2211,2213.72,{"idx":2728,"utterance_id":2729,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2730,"start_s":2731,"end_s":2732,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},393,"75662","That was raised recently.",2214.68,2216.66,{"idx":2734,"utterance_id":2735,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2736,"start_s":2737,"end_s":2738,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},394,"75663","It was in 2022 and it was raised only when the Master scandal came to light.",2217.48,2223.12,{"idx":2740,"utterance_id":2741,"speaker_name":238,"text":2742,"start_s":2743,"end_s":2744,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},395,"75664","But there's still time, right?",2223.16,2224.18,{"idx":2746,"utterance_id":2747,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2748,"start_s":2749,"end_s":2750,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":219,"topic_label":108,"target_id":2751,"target_proposition":2752,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1664,"rationale":2753,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},396,"75665","The money had already been spent, for sure, in the campaigns for state deputies, federal deputies, but it's something I will take up.",2224.7,2233.22,"09432c38-9711-45b2-87c3-41f1f6ed1a1e","investigate and take measures regarding suspicious party donations","says the amount was used in campaigns and that he will pursue the matter.",{"idx":2755,"utterance_id":2756,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2757,"start_s":2758,"end_s":2759,"word_count":173,"topic_slug":219,"topic_label":108,"target_id":2760,"target_proposition":2761,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1592,"rationale":2762,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},397,"75666","I don't know if it is legally possible to make that return.",2234.12,2238.04,"9587d85c-301f-43ff-8d4f-b035f934ac25","return suspicious party donations","acknowledges doubt about the legal possibility of returning the funds.",{"idx":2764,"utterance_id":2765,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2766,"start_s":2767,"end_s":2768,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":219,"topic_label":108,"target_id":2769,"target_proposition":2770,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":2771,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},398,"75667","Or else return it to some creditor, right?",2238.9,2240.96,"fe45a3b3-da4c-4758-aef4-492c287ee8a8","return suspicious party donations to creditors","suggests returning funds to creditors rather than keeping them with a suspicious donor.",{"idx":2773,"utterance_id":2774,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2775,"start_s":2776,"end_s":2777,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},399,"75668","Maybe that's better than to the bandit, do you 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right?",2267.4,2268.14,{"idx":2815,"utterance_id":2816,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2817,"start_s":2818,"end_s":2819,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},405,"75674","You're enslaving the child.",2268.2,2269.86,{"idx":2821,"utterance_id":2822,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2823,"start_s":2824,"end_s":2825,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},406,"75675","So, it's regrettable.",2269.92,2271.54,{"idx":2827,"utterance_id":2828,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2829,"start_s":2830,"end_s":2831,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":2796,"topic_label":2797,"target_id":2798,"target_proposition":2799,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":2832,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},407,"75676","But I think, I'm sure that we will change that.",2271.64,2274.76,"says with certainty that 'vamos mudar' the current conception about youth 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was an example of my own, that I have worked since I was a child.",2285.2,2290.44,{"idx":2864,"utterance_id":2865,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2866,"start_s":2867,"end_s":2868,"word_count":425,"topic_slug":2869,"topic_label":2870,"target_id":2871,"target_proposition":2872,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":2873,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},413,"75682","And I gave an example just to explain how here we create a culture in which the young person, remembering that here in Brazil we have the young apprentice program.",2291.14,2301.02,"educacao-e-capacitacao-profissional","Vocational education","0783033d-2231-4ddd-8d4a-2fbaa7e71765","expand training programs and promote local productive arrangements to generate jobs","notes that the youth apprenticeship is limited and argues to expand the 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you don't see a problem with delivering newspapers.",2440.86,2448.36,{"idx":3047,"utterance_id":3048,"speaker_name":238,"text":3049,"start_s":3050,"end_s":3051,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3052,"target_proposition":3053,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":3054,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},442,"75711","So I want to understand: you, if you assume the presidency of the Republic, will allow children under 14 to work?",2448.4,2456.18,"66e8407a-8dd3-49e3-ae83-2d6b31bfeead","allow work for children under 14","asks whether, if he assumes the presidency, he would allow work for under-14s.",{"idx":3056,"utterance_id":3057,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3058,"start_s":3059,"end_s":3060,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},443,"75712","Absolutely not.",2456.32,2457.76,{"idx":3062,"utterance_id":3063,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3064,"start_s":3065,"end_s":3066,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},444,"75713","What I meant to express there, children, young people — did I mention ages there?",2459.24,2463.86,{"idx":3068,"utterance_id":3069,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3070,"start_s":3071,"end_s":3072,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},445,"75714","I didn't mention any.",2464.08,2464.62,{"idx":3074,"utterance_id":3075,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3076,"start_s":3077,"end_s":3078,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},446,"75715","I didn't mention an age.",2465.24,2466.22,{"idx":3080,"utterance_id":3081,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3082,"start_s":3083,"end_s":3084,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3085,"target_proposition":3086,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":3087,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},447,"75716","What we need to provide in Brazil is ease for young people who want to work without harming their schooling.",2466.96,2475.32,"8fb117f2-ba47-4ba0-a1fe-f570097374f7","facilitate youth entry into the labor market without harming schooling","proposes easing access for youths who want to work without disrupting school.",{"idx":3089,"utterance_id":3090,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3091,"start_s":3092,"end_s":3093,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3085,"target_proposition":3086,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":3094,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},448,"75717","And my proposal is as follows: a state school that the young person is attending",2475.76,2481.2,"presents a proposal tying school attendance to permitting youth employment.",{"idx":3096,"utterance_id":3097,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3098,"start_s":3099,"end_s":3100,"word_count":441,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3085,"target_proposition":3086,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":409,"rationale":3101,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},449,"75718","— if they have good performance and regular attendance, it would give them permission to have a four-hour job or to work during the holidays; it wouldn't even need to be during class time.",2481.58,2495.18,"proposes school consent for four-hour jobs or holiday work.",{"idx":3103,"utterance_id":3104,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3105,"start_s":3106,"end_s":3107,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3085,"target_proposition":3086,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":3108,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},450,"75719","What I want is for us to create here the culture that exists worldwide that working also provides qualifications in addition to education.",2495.74,2505.96,"argues that working adds qualifications beyond education, promoting a youth work culture.",{"idx":3110,"utterance_id":3111,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3112,"start_s":3113,"end_s":3114,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3115,"target_proposition":3116,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":3117,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},451,"75720","Education first and then work.",2506.3,2509.2,"6c1c54b4-4ec8-431f-a9ea-d3ef3fc6141f","prioritize education in government","says 'Educação em primeiro lugar e depois o trabalho', defending educational priority.",{"idx":3119,"utterance_id":3120,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3121,"start_s":3122,"end_s":3123,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},452,"75721","Did I say there... Stop studying and go to work?",2509.74,2513.26,{"idx":3125,"utterance_id":3126,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3127,"start_s":3128,"end_s":3129,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},453,"75722","I didn't say that.",2513.44,2514.06,{"idx":3131,"utterance_id":3132,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3133,"start_s":3134,"end_s":3135,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3085,"target_proposition":3086,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":3136,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},454,"75723","I said that I want to change that concept.",2514.46,2517.48,"says he wants to change the notion that working hinders education.",{"idx":3138,"utterance_id":3139,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3140,"start_s":3141,"end_s":3142,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},455,"75724","Because here in Brazil we've created the concept that working interferes with schooling.",2517.84,2522.7,{"idx":3144,"utterance_id":3145,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3146,"start_s":3147,"end_s":3148,"word_count":196,"topic_slug":222,"topic_label":223,"target_id":3085,"target_proposition":3086,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":3149,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},456,"75725","For me, working complements.",2523,2524.82,"states that, for him, work complements education.",{"idx":3151,"utterance_id":3152,"speaker_name":238,"text":3153,"start_s":3154,"end_s":3155,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},457,"75726","I'm interested in that concept of yours, candidate, about work.",2524.9,2530.12,{"idx":3157,"utterance_id":3158,"speaker_name":238,"text":3159,"start_s":3160,"end_s":3161,"word_count":557,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},458,"75727","Because not long ago you made a statement, if I'm not mistaken, it was before the 2022 campaign, also on the subject... But you went so far as to say at that time that in the Vale do Jequitinhonha and in another municipality, Mucuri, it was possible to find a domestic worker for 300 reais per month.",2530.66,2554.62,{"idx":3163,"utterance_id":3164,"speaker_name":238,"text":3165,"start_s":3166,"end_s":3167,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},459,"75728","What did you mean by that?",2555.96,2558.38,{"idx":3169,"utterance_id":3170,"speaker_name":238,"text":3171,"start_s":3172,"end_s":3173,"word_count":412,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},460,"75729","The domestic worker salary of 300 reais per month was seen by the MPF at the time as something that violated the rules of the game.",2558.88,2569.82,{"idx":3175,"utterance_id":3176,"speaker_name":238,"text":3177,"start_s":3178,"end_s":3179,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},461,"75730","That work would be akin to slave 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you... submit legislation to require everyone to disclose them?",2900.78,2906.46,"asks if he would submit legislation to require everyone to disclose beneficiaries.",{"idx":3592,"utterance_id":3593,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3594,"start_s":3595,"end_s":3596,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":216,"topic_label":217,"target_id":3597,"target_proposition":3598,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":3599,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},527,"75796","And a very important detail: when I took office, the State of Minas was 22nd in the transparency ranking; under my administration it went to 1st.",2906.8,2919.36,"7d9b6728-9726-4165-adfd-62d34754fa02","disclose government expenses and acts publicly and transparently","claims to have raised the state's transparency ranking during his 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in Dom Pedro II's accounts?",2951.4,2954.6,{"idx":3644,"utterance_id":3645,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1093,"start_s":3646,"end_s":3647,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},535,"75804",2955.44,2955.96,{"idx":3649,"utterance_id":3650,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3651,"start_s":3652,"end_s":3653,"word_count":262,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},536,"75805","Now in Minas, as governor, everything I spent I fully disclosed; I didn't take any flight without announcing it.",2957.06,2963.98,{"idx":3655,"utterance_id":3656,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3657,"start_s":3658,"end_s":3659,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},537,"75806","I went to such-and-such place to do that and it cost that much.",2964.38,2968,{"idx":3661,"utterance_id":3662,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3663,"start_s":3664,"end_s":3665,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},538,"75807","Everything was shown the following 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environmental licensing in your administration in Minas Gerais.",2985.22,2994.06,{"idx":3691,"utterance_id":3692,"speaker_name":238,"text":3693,"start_s":3694,"end_s":3695,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},543,"75812","How could a scheme of that size operate in your government's administration?",2994.1,2998.76,{"idx":3697,"utterance_id":3698,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3699,"start_s":3700,"end_s":3701,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},544,"75813","So, Andréia, there in Brasília there is the Ministry of Mines and Energy, Minister Alexandre Silveira.",2999.32,3008.46,{"idx":3703,"utterance_id":3704,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3705,"start_s":3706,"end_s":3707,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},545,"75814","And there's the National Mining Agency.",3009.58,3012.66,{"idx":3709,"utterance_id":3710,"speaker_name":238,"text":3711,"start_s":3712,"end_s":3713,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},546,"75815","I know 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doing something wrong.",3088.76,3092.22,{"idx":3849,"utterance_id":3850,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3851,"start_s":3852,"end_s":3853,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3786,"target_proposition":3787,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":3854,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},569,"75838","Now I'm in favor of any investigation, whatever the cost, into whoever it may be.",3092.44,3098.06,"declares himself in favor of any investigation, 'custe o que custar'.",{"idx":3856,"utterance_id":3857,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3858,"start_s":3859,"end_s":3860,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},570,"75839","I never asked anyone not to investigate this, to put a lid on it.",3098.62,3103.78,{"idx":3862,"utterance_id":3863,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3864,"start_s":3865,"end_s":3866,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},571,"75840","I was surprised and 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investigation is ongoing and you don't have concrete data, by law you can't do anything.",3134.52,3142.6,"argues to await investigation and concrete data before acting, citing legal limits.",{"idx":3908,"utterance_id":3909,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3910,"start_s":3911,"end_s":3912,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},578,"75847","And then shortly after, this happened.",3143.22,3144.94,{"idx":3914,"utterance_id":3915,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3916,"start_s":3917,"end_s":3918,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},579,"75848","But if that investigation hadn't taken place, the State General Comptroller's Office would very likely have caught that fish in a few more 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subjectivity... that those who end up being able to understand it and to carry forward a project are only the consultancies that often charge millions of reais for that.",3383.04,3399.46,{"idx":4105,"utterance_id":4106,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4107,"start_s":4108,"end_s":4109,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":3925,"topic_label":3926,"target_id":4110,"target_proposition":4111,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":4112,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},609,"75878","What I want is that the company, whoever requests an environmental analysis project, be able to fill it out on the computer and request it from the State.",3400.56,3412.88,"5289fc17-bcc7-4372-9804-72663f7d125b","speed up environmental permitting to accelerate concessions","proposes that companies submit requests by computer to reduce 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proposal in this area?",3435.14,3438.74,{"idx":4138,"utterance_id":4139,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4140,"start_s":4141,"end_s":4142,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":3925,"topic_label":3926,"target_id":4143,"target_proposition":4144,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4145,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},614,"75883","I am a defender of environmental preservation, but I am also a defender of economic and social development.",3439.46,3449.8,"d0958e7e-0873-4505-a354-7c152b28653e","promote development with environmental responsibility","says he defends both preservation and social and economic development.",{"idx":4147,"utterance_id":4148,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4149,"start_s":4150,"end_s":4151,"word_count":43,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},615,"75884","We have a country with people going hungry and there are times when a project is stalled because someone claims that there is a little snail there that is 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Horizonte.",3469.84,3476.48,{"idx":4168,"utterance_id":4169,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4170,"start_s":4171,"end_s":4172,"word_count":474,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},618,"75887","The Rodoanel has been waiting a year for the start of construction, because a community that isn't, and claims to be traditional, alleges that even though it's six kilometers away, it may have some impact.",3476.98,3493.26,{"idx":4174,"utterance_id":4175,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4176,"start_s":4177,"end_s":4178,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},619,"75888","And it needs to speak up and it doesn't.",3493.4,3496.3,{"idx":4180,"utterance_id":4181,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4182,"start_s":4183,"end_s":4184,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},620,"75889","I went to China several times while I was governor.",3497.58,3500.64,{"idx":4186,"utterance_id":4187,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4188,"start_s":4189,"end_s":4190,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},621,"75890","What I saw most there was construction all over the place.",3501.04,3504.68,{"idx":4192,"utterance_id":4193,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4194,"start_s":4195,"end_s":4196,"word_count":412,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},622,"75891","Brazil doesn't progress, because here we have legislation that I would say not only doesn't protect the environment, but is stupid.",3505.14,3513.74,{"idx":4198,"utterance_id":4199,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4200,"start_s":4201,"end_s":4202,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},623,"75892","Let's take the case of Belo Monte and Santo Antônio.",3514.24,3516.58,{"idx":4204,"utterance_id":4205,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4206,"start_s":4207,"end_s":4208,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},624,"75893","Run-of-river hydroelectric plants.",3517.36,3519.6,{"idx":4210,"utterance_id":4211,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4212,"start_s":4213,"end_s":4214,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},625,"75894","They produce 5, 10% of what they could produce.",3520,3523.48,{"idx":4216,"utterance_id":4217,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4218,"start_s":4219,"end_s":4220,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},626,"75895","What's happening in Brazil right now?",3523.92,3525.96,{"idx":4222,"utterance_id":4223,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4224,"start_s":4225,"end_s":4226,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},627,"75896","Building a thermoelectric plant?",3526.34,3527.88,{"idx":4228,"utterance_id":4229,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4230,"start_s":4231,"end_s":4232,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},628,"75897","Look at our beautiful environmental preservation.",3528.82,3531.46,{"idx":4234,"utterance_id":4235,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4236,"start_s":4237,"end_s":4238,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},629,"75898","What pollutes more than burning fossil fuel that's being burned?",3533.06,3538.48,{"idx":4240,"utterance_id":4241,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4242,"start_s":4243,"end_s":4244,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},630,"75899","Because Belo Monte and Santo Antônio couldn't have reservoirs.",3539,3542.98,{"idx":4246,"utterance_id":4247,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4248,"start_s":4249,"end_s":4250,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":4251,"topic_label":4252,"target_id":4253,"target_proposition":4254,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4255,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},631,"75900","Is that what preserving the environment is?",3543.06,3544.98,"politica-industrial-e-energia","Industrial and Energy Policy","0ee29905-a4e5-4bef-ac36-bbb29ceb6a63","build large hydroelectric plants with large reservoirs","questions restrictions that prevented reservoirs and advocates greater hydropower generation.",{"idx":4257,"utterance_id":4258,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4259,"start_s":4260,"end_s":4261,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},632,"75901","Those were the proposals of the eco-chiites in the past.",3545.34,3548.86,{"idx":4263,"utterance_id":4264,"speaker_name":238,"text":4265,"start_s":4266,"end_s":4267,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},633,"75902","Candidate, you... You talk a lot about parliamentary amendments, right?",3550.66,3556.14,{"idx":4269,"utterance_id":4270,"speaker_name":238,"text":4271,"start_s":4272,"end_s":4273,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},634,"75903","We are living through a time of several investigations running at the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) because of the poorly transparent federal parliamentary amendments.",3556.18,3568.78,{"idx":4275,"utterance_id":4276,"speaker_name":238,"text":4277,"start_s":4278,"end_s":4279,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},635,"75904","You already know how to make that diagnosis.",3568.98,3571.58,{"idx":4281,"utterance_id":4282,"speaker_name":238,"text":4283,"start_s":4284,"end_s":4285,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},636,"75905","You even said that there is... an ease of diverting those amendments through NGOs.",3572.14,3578.66,{"idx":4287,"utterance_id":4288,"speaker_name":238,"text":4289,"start_s":4290,"end_s":4291,"word_count":533,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},637,"75906","But when we look at the state amendments, at the amendments released via the Legislative Assembly of Minas, it's noted — and our production did this survey — that Minas was the state that ended up allocating the most amendment funds, 2.4 billion reais in 2026.",3579.04,3595.7,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":4293,"speaker_name":238,"text":4294,"start_s":4295,"end_s":4296,"word_count":32,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},"75907","And there is also, indeed, a growth in the so-called PIX amendments. Isn't it a contradiction, in that case, for you to say you will do that in Brasília, but that was happening in your state as well?",3597.94,3611.74,{"idx":4298,"utterance_id":4299,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4300,"start_s":4301,"end_s":4302,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4303,"target_proposition":4304,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4305,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},639,"75908","Natuza, as I said a little while ago, in much, perhaps more than in any other state in Brazil, the mandatory parliamentary amendments of state deputies are being applied to structuring projects like in Minas Gerais.",3614.18,3635.2,"ad0cf0aa-e8a8-49fa-a112-e9517bf0eb0c","apply parliamentary amendments to structuring projects","argues that mandatory amendments were applied to structural projects in the state.",{"idx":4307,"utterance_id":4308,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4309,"start_s":4310,"end_s":4311,"word_count":474,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},640,"75909","Especially because we created that catalog I mentioned a moment ago, and moreover we said that if you apply it to those structuring works, for every R$1.00 you put in, we'll put in R$2.00.",3636.1,3651.1,{"idx":4313,"utterance_id":4314,"speaker_name":238,"text":4315,"start_s":4316,"end_s":4317,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},641,"75910","Just so as not to confuse those watching us: mandatory amendments must be applied by the governing authority, whether president or governor.",3651.16,3661.94,{"idx":4319,"utterance_id":4320,"speaker_name":238,"text":4321,"start_s":4322,"end_s":4323,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},642,"75911","And there are the discretionary amendments, so to speak.",3662.66,3665.54,{"idx":4325,"utterance_id":4326,"speaker_name":238,"text":4327,"start_s":4328,"end_s":4329,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},643,"75912","These discretionary amendments are the ones that are not transparent.",3666.02,3669.28,{"idx":4331,"utterance_id":4332,"speaker_name":238,"text":4333,"start_s":4334,"end_s":4335,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},644,"75913","The PICs amendments are a practice of the State Assembly that you governed.",3669.72,3676.6,{"idx":4337,"utterance_id":4338,"speaker_name":238,"text":4339,"start_s":4340,"end_s":4341,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},645,"75914","I'd like to understand these amendments.",3676.66,3678.86,{"idx":4343,"utterance_id":4344,"speaker_name":238,"text":4345,"start_s":4346,"end_s":4347,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},646,"75915","These amendments that the public sector has such difficulty tracing and identifying irregularities in.",3679.26,3684.34,{"idx":4349,"utterance_id":4350,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4351,"start_s":4352,"end_s":4353,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4354,"target_proposition":4355,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":4356,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},647,"75916","Natuza, as you said, I've already said that I am totally opposed.",3685.58,3690.74,"3f148271-5d11-4cb5-b5ad-3f6436543320","increase oversight of parliamentary amendments","declares himself totally opposed to the application of those resources when not properly demonstrated.",{"idx":4358,"utterance_id":4359,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4360,"start_s":4361,"end_s":4362,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},648,"75917","the application of these resources that is not well demonstrated, not well audited.",3691.22,3698.42,{"idx":4364,"utterance_id":4365,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4366,"start_s":4367,"end_s":4368,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},649,"75918","Now we have this issue that has arisen all over Brazil.",3699.66,3704.28,{"idx":4370,"utterance_id":4371,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4372,"start_s":4373,"end_s":4374,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},650,"75919","We're talking about municipal chambers, state assemblies and even the National Congress over in Brasília.",3704.86,3710.92,{"idx":4376,"utterance_id":4377,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4378,"start_s":4379,"end_s":4380,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},651,"75920","Today there is already a major debate and this money needs to be better applied and monitored.",3711.8,3719.12,{"idx":4382,"utterance_id":4383,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4384,"start_s":4385,"end_s":4386,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},652,"75921","I totally agree with that.",3719.38,3721.18,{"idx":4388,"utterance_id":4389,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4390,"start_s":4391,"end_s":4392,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},653,"75922","And it's not just a problem of Minas Gerais, it's a problem throughout Brazil, and we need to work to eliminate it, if possible.",3721.66,3730.3,{"idx":4394,"utterance_id":4395,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4396,"start_s":4397,"end_s":4398,"word_count":497,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4354,"target_proposition":4355,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":356,"rationale":4399,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},654,"75923","Public funds are scarce, there's not enough money for public security, for health, and there are people spending it, paving a road that no one uses, because it's the deputy's mother-in-law who has a property there that will go up in value.",3730.66,3746.44,"criticizes irregular use of funds and calls for oversight to prevent waste.",{"idx":4401,"utterance_id":4402,"speaker_name":238,"text":4403,"start_s":4404,"end_s":4405,"word_count":497,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4406,"target_proposition":4407,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":3280,"rationale":4408,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},655,"75924","You said — you even mentioned this at the very beginning — but you said in an interview on Tuesday that the method to get a majority there in Minas was to offer the 77 deputies R$2.00 for every R$1.00 of amendment.",3747.08,3760.78,"452ea55a-e5fe-4c52-824a-bf7cad25ef19","offer resources via parliamentary amendments in exchange for political support","reports an accusation of swapping amendments for support, without proposing any action of his own.",{"idx":4410,"utterance_id":4411,"speaker_name":238,"text":4412,"start_s":4413,"end_s":4414,"word_count":343,"topic_slug":4415,"topic_label":4416,"target_id":4417,"target_proposition":4418,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1592,"rationale":4419,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},656,"75925","I ask you: what is the difference between that and the coalition presidentialism you criticize so much?",3761.4,3766.32,"politica-de-poderes-presidencialismo","Power Politics \u002F Presidentialism","f0c45702-5209-454f-8372-c88c85f5a04c","practice coalition presidentialism","asks, comparing the cited practice to coalition presidentialism.",{"idx":4421,"utterance_id":4422,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4423,"start_s":4424,"end_s":4425,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4426,"target_proposition":4427,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4428,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},657,"75926","So, all those projects where we applied that rule are for structuring projects.",3767.4,3777.26,"6bc0dcbc-a3d9-47fd-85b1-23a7d957bbf1","allocate parliamentary amendment funds to projects that improve public services","supports a rule that amendments be used for structural projects.",{"idx":4430,"utterance_id":4431,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4432,"start_s":4433,"end_s":4434,"word_count":503,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4426,"target_proposition":4427,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4435,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},658,"75927","Instead of him building a gateway in a town — which often benefits a construction company tied to the legislator who then funnels money to the legislator — he'll use that resource to renovate a school, which brings benefit to the people.",3778.36,3794.88,"contrasts parochial projects with renovating a school, advocating use for public benefit.",{"idx":4437,"utterance_id":4438,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4439,"start_s":4440,"end_s":4441,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4426,"target_proposition":4427,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1664,"rationale":4442,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},659,"75928","And the parliamentarians, Sadi, signed on because they saw",3795.84,3799.74,"explains that parliamentarians joined the program because they saw regional benefit.",{"idx":4444,"utterance_id":4445,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4446,"start_s":4447,"end_s":4448,"word_count":412,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4426,"target_proposition":4427,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":4449,"rationale":4450,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},660,"75929","that they would even have much more visibility and acceptance from the people in their regions than by doing those projects that are often parochial.",3800.04,3813.48,0.68,"says the actions bring more visibility and local acceptance.",{"idx":4452,"utterance_id":4453,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4454,"start_s":4455,"end_s":4456,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4426,"target_proposition":4427,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":4457,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},661,"75930","They are intended to address a situation that doesn't bring improvement to public service.",3814.5,3819.34,"contrasts with projects that do not bring improvement, advocating useful financing.",{"idx":4459,"utterance_id":4460,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4461,"start_s":4462,"end_s":4463,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4426,"target_proposition":4427,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":4464,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},662,"75931","And everything we proposed brings improvement to public services.",3819.8,3824.5,"says the proposals presented bring improvements to public services.",{"idx":4466,"utterance_id":4467,"speaker_name":238,"text":4468,"start_s":4469,"end_s":4470,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":1819,"topic_label":1820,"target_id":4471,"target_proposition":4472,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4473,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},663,"75932","You are doing a 'toma lá, dá cá' of the good kind.",3824.8,3828.96,"673f6d4d-a1dd-4170-895c-65bd0b3668e2","ensure transparency and oversight over parliamentary amendments","accuses 'toma lá dá cá', therefore defends oversight and transparency as the opposite.",{"idx":4475,"utterance_id":4476,"speaker_name":238,"text":4477,"start_s":4478,"end_s":4479,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":4480,"topic_label":4481,"target_id":4482,"target_proposition":4483,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1615,"rationale":4484,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},664,"75933","You are transferring to the parliamentarians what would, under another model, be your responsibility to govern.",3829,3836.04,"poder-executivo","Executive Branch","bc7807e3-56ab-41ba-bcbf-9f9852c9e2f5","assume direct execution of state public policies by the government","criticizes the transfer of responsibilities from the governor to parliamentarians.",{"idx":4486,"utterance_id":4487,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4488,"start_s":4489,"end_s":4490,"word_count":213,"topic_slug":4491,"topic_label":4492,"target_id":4493,"target_proposition":4494,"stance":232,"stance_confidence":409,"rationale":4495,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},665,"75934","I am opposed to 'toma lá, dá cá'.",3836.62,3839.24,"casa-civil-articulacao-politica","Civil House \u002F Political Coordination","08b6e787-d479-4afd-b6b1-3f9cf88a8e76","carry out exchange of favors (toma lá, dá cá) to obtain political support","explicitly declares 'Eu sou contrário ao toma lá, dá cá'.",{"idx":4497,"utterance_id":4498,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4499,"start_s":4500,"end_s":4501,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":4491,"topic_label":4492,"target_id":4493,"target_proposition":4494,"stance":232,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4502,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},666,"75935","I did not do 'toma lá, dá cá'.",3839.78,3841.46,"denies having engaged in 'toma lá, dá cá' as a defense of his own behavior.",{"idx":4504,"utterance_id":4505,"speaker_name":238,"text":4506,"start_s":4507,"end_s":4508,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},667,"75936","But is that the case, candidate?",3841.5,3843.58,{"idx":4510,"utterance_id":4511,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1888,"start_s":4512,"end_s":4513,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},668,"75937",3844.48,3844.7,{"idx":4515,"utterance_id":4516,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3127,"start_s":4517,"end_s":4518,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},669,"75938",3846.58,3847.18,{"idx":4520,"utterance_id":4521,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4522,"start_s":4523,"end_s":4524,"word_count":262,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4426,"target_proposition":4427,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":4525,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},670,"75939","Those who joined did so of their own free will, because they saw that their region would benefit.",3848.14,3856.3,"says parliamentarians joined freely after seeing regional benefit.",{"idx":4527,"utterance_id":4528,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4529,"start_s":4530,"end_s":4531,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":2316,"topic_label":2317,"target_id":4532,"target_proposition":4533,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":4534,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},671,"75940","And I also made a commitment, it's worth remembering, to be with him in his city or region, announcing the works or making the deliveries.",3857.68,3868,"e4908c45-e210-404b-80fb-76a10773f169","monitor and announce public works together with parliamentarians","commits to being present at project handovers.",{"idx":4536,"utterance_id":4537,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4538,"start_s":4539,"end_s":4540,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":4541,"target_proposition":4542,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1615,"rationale":4543,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},672,"75941","So much so that I was the governor who visited the most cities, more than 430.",3868.48,3872.42,"0deee75a-2fef-4195-b460-b320b6ebd414","supervise and monitor execution of public works by the government","claims as governor to have visited many cities and monitored public works.",{"idx":4545,"utterance_id":4546,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4547,"start_s":4548,"end_s":4549,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},673,"75942","That, for me, is good politics: to speak.",3873.48,3876.54,{"idx":4551,"utterance_id":4552,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4553,"start_s":4554,"end_s":4555,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4556,"target_proposition":4557,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1796,"rationale":4558,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},674,"75943","The legislator: 'Walk with me and we'll use public resources in the best possible way.'",3877.26,3886.1,"930ea764-b7a3-4684-9d7b-ef04ffcb2ea5","coordinate with parliamentarians to use public resources efficiently","urges parliamentarians to work together to use 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parliamentary amendments and increase oversight","declares opposition to the current level of amendments and to deficient oversight.",{"idx":226,"utterance_id":4581,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":227,"start_s":228,"end_s":4582,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":229,"topic_label":230,"target_id":4583,"target_proposition":231,"stance":232,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4584,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},"75947",3909.56,"810478c8-5985-42fc-ae7e-099c95b61ef3","denies having promised votes in exchange for money, rejecting buying support.",{"idx":4586,"utterance_id":4587,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4588,"start_s":4589,"end_s":4590,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},679,"75948","Not at any time — that didn't happen.",3909.8,3911.7,{"idx":4592,"utterance_id":4593,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4594,"start_s":4595,"end_s":4596,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":202,"topic_label":203,"target_id":4426,"target_proposition":4427,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":4597,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},680,"75949","If they implement important projects to improve public services, we're together.",3912.34,3918.54,"supports implementing important projects to improve public service.",{"idx":4599,"utterance_id":4600,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4601,"start_s":4602,"end_s":4603,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},681,"75950","And they assessed that it was worth 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change.",3923.86,3926.72,{"idx":4622,"utterance_id":4623,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4624,"start_s":4625,"end_s":4626,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":4610,"topic_label":4611,"target_id":4627,"target_proposition":4628,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4629,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},684,"75953","In my opinion, Bolsa Família requires many improvements.",3928.46,3933.86,"799902b5-c875-40c0-b1f3-f84783fc51e9","strengthen Bolsa Família as an instrument to combat poverty","says Bolsa Família needs many improvements.",{"idx":4631,"utterance_id":4632,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4633,"start_s":4634,"end_s":4635,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4636,"target_proposition":4637,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":4638,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},685,"75954","First, those who care for children and the elderly need to receive more.",3934.8,3940.92,"30d641c7-e5d6-46d1-8511-3ae7133c9232","increase the value of the social benefit (Auxílio Brasil\u002FBolsa Família)","proposes that those who care for children and the elderly receive more.",{"idx":4640,"utterance_id":4641,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4642,"start_s":4643,"end_s":4644,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},686,"75955","What they receive today is too little.",3941.14,3942.7,{"idx":4646,"utterance_id":4647,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4648,"start_s":4649,"end_s":4650,"word_count":331,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4651,"target_proposition":4652,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":4653,"rationale":4654,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},687,"75956","Second, those who do not care for the elderly or children, are healthy, can work, receive job offers one, two, three times and don't take them, will have to explain themselves.",3942.98,3957.7,"0d629384-dc0b-4c11-9596-b1f7a29a3ba5","require conditions and training for Bolsa Família beneficiaries",0.92,"says those who can work and refuse a job will 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requirements.",{"idx":4688,"utterance_id":4689,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4690,"start_s":4691,"end_s":4692,"word_count":224,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4651,"target_proposition":4652,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":4693,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},693,"75962","It's a requirement in return for receiving it.",3993.96,3996.8,"says a counterpart is justified for receiving assistance.",{"idx":4695,"utterance_id":4696,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4697,"start_s":4698,"end_s":4699,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},694,"75963","In Brazil, we're used to giving everything away for free without any conditions.",3997.2,4002.2,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":4701,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4702,"start_s":4703,"end_s":4704,"word_count":196,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4651,"target_proposition":4652,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":4705,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},"75964","With me, that will end.",4002.28,4003.5,"declares 'Comigo, isso vai acabar' referring to the lack of counterpart requirements.",{"idx":4707,"utterance_id":4708,"speaker_name":238,"text":4709,"start_s":4710,"end_s":4711,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},696,"75965","Governor, candidate, I want to show here a video of you about Bolsa Família, which you talked about this June.",4004.24,4012.86,{"idx":4713,"utterance_id":4714,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4715,"start_s":4716,"end_s":4717,"word_count":269,"topic_slug":4718,"topic_label":4719,"target_id":4720,"target_proposition":4721,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":4722,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},697,"75966","I target men a lot.",4015.12,4016.9,"igualdade-de-genero","Gender equality","d29b71f2-ac01-4517-a196-e32aeda6724d","focus Bolsa Família requirements on able-bodied men","states the policy targets men heavily and that they will be invited to 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clear.",4065.48,4067.44,{"idx":4778,"utterance_id":4779,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4780,"start_s":4781,"end_s":4782,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},706,"75975","They are the people who care for children and the elderly.",4067.9,4071.46,{"idx":4784,"utterance_id":4785,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4786,"start_s":4787,"end_s":4788,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},707,"75976","According to surveys, women are over 80%.",4071.56,4074.28,{"idx":4790,"utterance_id":4791,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4792,"start_s":4793,"end_s":4794,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},708,"75977","But I should have been more precise 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unconstitutional.",4170.46,4182.74,{"idx":4921,"utterance_id":4922,"speaker_name":238,"text":4923,"start_s":4924,"end_s":4925,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},727,"75996","Here in Brazil, how will you do that if elected?",4183.68,4185.54,{"idx":4927,"utterance_id":4928,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4929,"start_s":4930,"end_s":4931,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":4932,"target_proposition":4933,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1796,"rationale":4934,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},728,"75997","Is there anything more unconstitutional than a PCC and Comando Vermelho controlling territory?",4186.18,4193.82,"68870c5c-74fa-43f1-8d60-79651a044907","reoccupy territories dominated by criminal factions","describes territorial control by factions as a problem that requires action.",{"idx":4936,"utterance_id":4937,"speaker_name":238,"text":4938,"start_s":4939,"end_s":4940,"word_count":59,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},729,"75998","Let me just make a list for you and you tell me which items you agree with.",4194.22,4198.02,{"idx":4942,"utterance_id":4943,"speaker_name":238,"text":4944,"start_s":4945,"end_s":4946,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},730,"75999","Arrest without a warrant, do you agree?",4198.12,4199.82,{"idx":4948,"utterance_id":4949,"speaker_name":238,"text":4759,"start_s":4950,"end_s":4951,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},731,"76000",4199.88,4200.66,{"idx":4953,"utterance_id":4954,"speaker_name":238,"text":4955,"start_s":4956,"end_s":4957,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},732,"76001","But yes, that happened there.",4200.72,4203.26,{"idx":4959,"utterance_id":4960,"speaker_name":238,"text":4961,"start_s":4962,"end_s":4963,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},733,"76002","So, what is it?",4204.6,4205.2,{"idx":4965,"utterance_id":4966,"speaker_name":238,"text":4967,"start_s":4968,"end_s":4969,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},734,"76003","Arrest without a warrant, extending the time of detention without a judicial order.",4205.6,4208.74,{"idx":4971,"utterance_id":4972,"speaker_name":238,"text":4973,"start_s":4974,"end_s":4975,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},735,"76004","I also disagree.",4209.08,4210.18,{"idx":4977,"utterance_id":4978,"speaker_name":238,"text":4979,"start_s":4980,"end_s":4981,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},736,"76005","Drastic reduction of habeas corpus.",4210.3,4212.38,{"idx":4983,"utterance_id":4984,"speaker_name":238,"text":4985,"start_s":4986,"end_s":4987,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},737,"76006","Not that either.",4212.92,4213.46,{"idx":4989,"utterance_id":4990,"speaker_name":238,"text":4991,"start_s":4992,"end_s":4993,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},738,"76007","Difficulty in accessing lawyers?",4213.68,4215.52,{"idx":4995,"utterance_id":4996,"speaker_name":238,"text":3058,"start_s":4997,"end_s":4998,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},739,"76008",4215.76,4216.64,{"idx":5000,"utterance_id":5001,"speaker_name":238,"text":5002,"start_s":5003,"end_s":5004,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},740,"76009","Collective trial of hundreds of defendants?",4216.74,4218.94,{"idx":5006,"utterance_id":5007,"speaker_name":238,"text":4985,"start_s":5008,"end_s":5009,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},741,"76010",4219.3,4219.92,{"idx":5011,"utterance_id":5012,"speaker_name":238,"text":5013,"start_s":5014,"end_s":5015,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},742,"76011","Arrests based on anonymous tips, territorial profiling and tattoos?",4220.94,4224.96,{"idx":5017,"utterance_id":5018,"speaker_name":238,"text":4985,"start_s":5019,"end_s":5020,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},743,"76012",4225.24,4225.88,{"idx":5022,"utterance_id":5023,"speaker_name":238,"text":5024,"start_s":5025,"end_s":5026,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},744,"76013","But then what is it about Bukele that you want here? I don't understand.",4225.94,4228.42,{"idx":5028,"utterance_id":5029,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5030,"start_s":5031,"end_s":5032,"word_count":343,"topic_slug":12,"topic_label":8,"target_id":5033,"target_proposition":5034,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":5035,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},745,"76014","But I disagree much more, Sadi and Natursa, about the more than 40,000 lives that Brazil loses each year.",4228.8,4237.7,"554b78d9-4efe-4a8b-90b3-63d8efd356b8","reduce homicides and combat organized crime","prioritizes lost lives and expresses disagreement with the status quo that allows deaths.",{"idx":5037,"utterance_id":5038,"speaker_name":238,"text":5039,"start_s":5040,"end_s":5041,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},746,"76015","How will you apply this security model here?",4237.82,4240.84,{"idx":5043,"utterance_id":5044,"speaker_name":238,"text":5045,"start_s":5046,"end_s":5047,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},747,"76016","I just read it to you; I wanted to understand it from a practical point of view.",4242.24,4245.18,{"idx":5049,"utterance_id":5050,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5051,"start_s":5052,"end_s":5053,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":5054,"target_proposition":5055,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":409,"rationale":5056,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},748,"76017","I will first retake all the territories, which is the main problem.",4245.54,4250.22,"34c880e5-59a4-4c1c-9f3b-bcdd9643ff81","retake control of territories dominated by criminal factions","declares 'vou primeiro retomar todos os territórios' as a priority.",{"idx":5058,"utterance_id":5059,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5060,"start_s":5061,"end_s":5062,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},749,"76018","This is what sustains the factions and criminal organizations.",4250.56,4254.68,{"idx":5064,"utterance_id":5065,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5066,"start_s":5067,"end_s":5068,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},750,"76019","They extort billions of reais from people through water, electricity and internet bills, in parking lots, at tolls, and so on.",4255.88,4269.92,{"idx":5070,"utterance_id":5071,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5072,"start_s":5073,"end_s":5074,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},751,"76020","Today, 60 million Brazilians live in areas controlled by these factions and criminal organizations.",4270.76,4280.44,{"idx":5076,"utterance_id":5077,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5078,"start_s":5079,"end_s":5080,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},752,"76021","A dog's life, without any 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politicians who benefit from organized crime","blames the failure on politicians who benefit and calls for confronting them.",{"idx":5120,"utterance_id":5121,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5122,"start_s":5123,"end_s":5124,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},758,"76027","A lot.",4329.32,4329.7,{"idx":5126,"utterance_id":5127,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5128,"start_s":5129,"end_s":5130,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},759,"76028","So much so that the biggest criminal banker had access to the highest authorities in Brazil, including ministers of the Supreme Court.",4330.52,4339.44,{"idx":5132,"utterance_id":5133,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5134,"start_s":5135,"end_s":5136,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},760,"76029","Now, regarding organized crime, who knows what's going on out there.",4339.84,4343.66,{"idx":5138,"utterance_id":5139,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5140,"start_s":5141,"end_s":5142,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},761,"76030","I'm not compromised.",4344.66,4346.48,{"idx":5144,"utterance_id":5145,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5146,"start_s":5147,"end_s":5148,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},762,"76031","As I've already said, I'm even answering a lawsuit from the untouchable Gilmar Mendes.",4346.68,4351.32,{"idx":5150,"utterance_id":5151,"speaker_name":238,"text":5152,"start_s":5153,"end_s":5154,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},763,"76032","But when you say that just yesterday you published a video saying you are inspired by Bukele.",4351.5,4356.3,{"idx":5156,"utterance_id":5157,"speaker_name":238,"text":5158,"start_s":5159,"end_s":5160,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},764,"76033","Sadi went through Bukele's model point by 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measures","says he will 'colocar o custo do crime lá em cima' to discourage crimes.",{"idx":5183,"utterance_id":5184,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5185,"start_s":5186,"end_s":5187,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},768,"76037","Today the cost of crime in Brazil is rock-bottom.",4374.86,4377.32,{"idx":5189,"utterance_id":5190,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5191,"start_s":5192,"end_s":5193,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},769,"76038","It's paying off to be a criminal in Brazil.",4380.22,4382.52,{"idx":5195,"utterance_id":5196,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5197,"start_s":5198,"end_s":5199,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},770,"76039","Now the decent people — and they are the majority of Brazilians, you, me, those who are following us here — are 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normal.",4448.98,4451.82,{"idx":5276,"utterance_id":5277,"speaker_name":238,"text":5278,"start_s":5279,"end_s":5280,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},782,"76051","But I just don't understand how you are going to put more people behind bars?",4452.02,4455.68,{"idx":5282,"utterance_id":5283,"speaker_name":238,"text":5284,"start_s":5285,"end_s":5286,"word_count":474,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},783,"76052","Because if you are inspired by Bukele but said here you will not adopt any of Bukele's measures, how will you fill up those prisons you want to build?",4456.02,4466.58,{"idx":5288,"utterance_id":5289,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5290,"start_s":5291,"end_s":5292,"word_count":269,"topic_slug":5293,"topic_label":5294,"target_id":5295,"target_proposition":5296,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":5297,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},784,"76053","We will change the legislation.",4468.34,4470.76,"processo-penal","Criminal 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crimes","proposes that after a third occurrence there should be preventive detention.",{"idx":5314,"utterance_id":5315,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5316,"start_s":5317,"end_s":5318,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},787,"76056","Someone who has already committed three offenses, none of which have yet been tried, will they remain free and continue committing them?",4484.52,4491.66,{"idx":5320,"utterance_id":5321,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5322,"start_s":5323,"end_s":5324,"word_count":306,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},788,"76057","If three is too few, maybe it's four, maybe it's five?",4492.22,4495.4,{"idx":5326,"utterance_id":5327,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5328,"start_s":5329,"end_s":5330,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},789,"76058","That will be 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Rio de Janeiro we will adopt a special measure, like those in the past, only those were like... chemotherapy and radiotherapy for a month.",4518.38,4529.2,"f40894a1-a523-46f3-a754-a8e5ce60ec13","adopt special and prolonged security measures for Rio de Janeiro","proposes continuous treatment over years to confront factions in Rio.",{"idx":5376,"utterance_id":5377,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5378,"start_s":5379,"end_s":5380,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},796,"76065","It doesn't cure the tumor, no.",4529.34,4530.52,{"idx":5382,"utterance_id":5383,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5384,"start_s":5385,"end_s":5386,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":5387,"target_proposition":5388,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":5389,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},797,"76066","Here in Rio this treatment needs to be permanent, for 10 years, 15, 20, until we finish off these 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crime.",{"idx":5402,"utterance_id":5403,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5404,"start_s":5405,"end_s":5406,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},799,"76068","As I said, the Armed Forces, Receita Federal, Federal Police and COAF.",4549.6,4555.16,{"idx":5408,"utterance_id":5409,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5410,"start_s":5411,"end_s":5412,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},800,"76069","I want to see who will win this battle.",4555.54,4557.3,{"idx":5414,"utterance_id":5415,"speaker_name":238,"text":5416,"start_s":5417,"end_s":5418,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},801,"76070","You mentioned Rio, you advocate federal intervention here in Rio, with the presence of the Armed Forces.",4557.64,4563.9,{"idx":5420,"utterance_id":5421,"speaker_name":238,"text":5422,"start_s":5423,"end_s":5424,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},802,"76071","But if intervention solved it, Rio would be the safest place in the 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said, was the same.",4574.76,4577.26,{"idx":5456,"utterance_id":5457,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5458,"start_s":5459,"end_s":5460,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},808,"76077","Someone undergoing cancer treatment who does radiation and chemotherapy for six months and thinks they're cured.",4577.36,4584.68,{"idx":5462,"utterance_id":5463,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5464,"start_s":5465,"end_s":5466,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},809,"76078","They will need lifelong follow-up.",4585.38,4588.32,{"idx":5468,"utterance_id":5469,"speaker_name":238,"text":5470,"start_s":5471,"end_s":5472,"word_count":59,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},810,"76079","We have already seen various forms of intervention, which is why I'm asking for details of what your proposal 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provide federal support with specialists and civil society.",{"idx":5507,"utterance_id":5508,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5509,"start_s":5510,"end_s":5511,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},816,"76085","It is a cancer that is only growing.",4629.12,4631,{"idx":5513,"utterance_id":5514,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5515,"start_s":5516,"end_s":5517,"word_count":474,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},817,"76086","When the army left, the security forces left — I don't remember exactly whether it was 10 years or 12 years ago — the tumor began to grow again and is stronger than before.",4632.02,4641.5,{"idx":5519,"utterance_id":5520,"speaker_name":238,"text":5521,"start_s":5522,"end_s":5523,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},818,"76087","And would you declare a federal intervention here in Rio de Janeiro?",4641.58,4644.64,{"idx":5525,"utterance_id":5526,"speaker_name":238,"text":5527,"start_s":5528,"end_s":5529,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},819,"76088","If elected, when would that start?",4644.7,4646.86,{"idx":5531,"utterance_id":5532,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5533,"start_s":5534,"end_s":5535,"word_count":376,"topic_slug":5536,"topic_label":5537,"target_id":5538,"target_proposition":5539,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":5540,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},820,"76089","It will be something discussed with the new governor, with the governor's consent, with the mayor's; I'm sure they'll want it.",4647.78,4656.38,"intervencao-federal","Federal Intervention","5ac4c458-0f7d-40d2-af71-64db52d70c15","declare federal intervention in Rio de Janeiro with local consent when necessary","says any intervention would be coordinated with the new governor and the mayor, conditionally.",{"idx":5542,"utterance_id":5543,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5544,"start_s":5545,"end_s":5546,"word_count":4,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},821,"76090","Rio de Janeiro has enormous revenue potential.",4656.8,4659.52,{"idx":5548,"utterance_id":5549,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5550,"start_s":5551,"end_s":5552,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},822,"76091","Let's take the case of Light here at Tusa.",4659.62,4661.86,{"idx":5554,"utterance_id":5555,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5556,"start_s":5557,"end_s":5558,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},823,"76092","Light, which used to belong to the government of Minas, which we sold, today is a bankrupt company.",4662.28,4666.54,{"idx":5560,"utterance_id":5561,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5562,"start_s":5563,"end_s":5564,"word_count":376,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},824,"76093","I met with the executive the other day; he told me, Zema, that 52% of the energy Light supplies it does not get paid for.",4667.24,4676.42,{"idx":5566,"utterance_id":5567,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5568,"start_s":5569,"end_s":5570,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},825,"76094","Organized crime is the one receiving it.",4677.44,4680.06,{"idx":5572,"utterance_id":5573,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5574,"start_s":5575,"end_s":5576,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},826,"76095","Billions of reais per year.",4680.38,4682.12,{"idx":5578,"utterance_id":5579,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5580,"start_s":5581,"end_s":5582,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},827,"76096","We are, let's say, feeding... a demon here in Rio de Janeiro, in Fortaleza, and in other places in Brazil.",4682.98,4694.34,{"idx":5584,"utterance_id":5585,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5586,"start_s":5587,"end_s":5588,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},828,"76097","And we need to put a stop to 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PIX?",4883.02,4884.8,{"idx":5816,"utterance_id":5817,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3058,"start_s":5818,"end_s":5819,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},866,"76135",4887.3,4888.14,{"idx":5821,"utterance_id":5822,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5823,"start_s":5824,"end_s":5825,"word_count":269,"topic_slug":5826,"topic_label":5827,"target_id":5828,"target_proposition":5829,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":5830,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},867,"76136","PIX belongs to Brazil.",4888.36,4889.66,"politica-monetaria-meios-de-pagamento","Monetary Policy \u002F Payment Systems","36e9d88d-9dae-4abf-a221-4a7ecbe10afa","defend and promote PIX as a national payments system and internationalize it","says 'O PIX é do Brasil' and wants to take PIX to other countries.",{"idx":5832,"utterance_id":5833,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5834,"start_s":5835,"end_s":5836,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},868,"76137","I think the world needs PIX.",4889.96,4892.14,{"idx":5838,"utterance_id":5839,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5840,"start_s":5841,"end_s":5842,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},869,"76138","It has already worked here, it simplified life, I use it, millions of Brazilians use it.",4892.76,4898.72,{"idx":5844,"utterance_id":5845,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5846,"start_s":5847,"end_s":5848,"word_count":412,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},870,"76139","I think we have to say the following: the world has changed, people no longer want credit cards, debit cards, they don't want PIX.",4899.32,4905.78,{"idx":5850,"utterance_id":5851,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5852,"start_s":5853,"end_s":5854,"word_count":213,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},871,"76140","What we want is to take PIX to other countries.",4905.96,4907.9,{"idx":5856,"utterance_id":5857,"speaker_name":238,"text":5858,"start_s":5859,"end_s":5860,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},872,"76141","But then how would you avoid these economic sanctions?",4907.94,4911.76,{"idx":5862,"utterance_id":5863,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5864,"start_s":5865,"end_s":5866,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":206,"topic_label":207,"target_id":5867,"target_proposition":5868,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1632,"rationale":5869,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},873,"76142","So, first, not making gratuitous provocations, as has been happening by President Lula, who questions the dollar, who gets closer to countries.",4912.42,4922.52,"b3d5d2ef-b625-4959-a444-039633dcc0b8","adopt pragmatic diplomacy to avoid unnecessary confrontations","proposes avoiding gratuitous aggressions in foreign policy to prevent retaliations.",{"idx":5871,"utterance_id":5872,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5873,"start_s":5874,"end_s":5875,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":5876,"topic_label":5877,"target_id":5878,"target_proposition":5879,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":5880,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},874,"76143","I want Brazil in the OECD as well, which is a mark of seriousness.",4922.72,4928.28,"politica-institucional","Institutional Politics","103e0107-c65a-45d6-be60-d097740e6474","promote Brazil's entry into the OECD","explicitly declares 'Eu quero o Brasil na OCDE' as a sign of seriousness.",{"idx":5882,"utterance_id":5883,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5884,"start_s":5885,"end_s":5886,"word_count":333,"topic_slug":206,"topic_label":207,"target_id":5887,"target_proposition":5888,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":5889,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},875,"76144","And of course, competent people, which we currently don't have to be handling these issues.",4929.2,4934.16,"1d111173-d78b-47b2-8e5b-49d11f9a74b0","appoint Shikamaru Minister of Foreign Affairs","criticizes the lack of competent people and advocates capable professionals worthy of Brazil.",{"idx":5891,"utterance_id":5892,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5893,"start_s":5894,"end_s":5895,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},876,"76145","Frankly, in our foreign relations area today, we don't have people there.",4934.84,4941.36,{"idx":5897,"utterance_id":5898,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5899,"start_s":5900,"end_s":5901,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},877,"76146","At the stature of Brazil.",4941.84,4942.98,{"idx":5903,"utterance_id":5904,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5905,"start_s":5906,"end_s":5907,"word_count":318,"topic_slug":5908,"topic_label":5909,"target_id":5910,"target_proposition":5911,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":5912,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},878,"76147","And Brazil has been creating a very dangerous dependence, I've been saying, on China.",4943.42,4949,"politica-comercial","Commercial Policy","6e5115cb-3f5d-4bb6-863f-c6720ed5d51f","diversify exports and reduce excessive economic dependence on China","says dependence on China is extremely dangerous and calls for diversification.",{"idx":5914,"utterance_id":5915,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5916,"start_s":5917,"end_s":5918,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},879,"76148","I was a businessman.",4949.76,4950.6,{"idx":5920,"utterance_id":5921,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5922,"start_s":5923,"end_s":5924,"word_count":255,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},880,"76149","The last thing I'd want is to have a client who bought half of what I sold.",4950.74,4956.58,{"idx":5926,"utterance_id":5927,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5928,"start_s":5929,"end_s":5930,"word_count":349,"topic_slug":5908,"topic_label":5909,"target_id":5910,"target_proposition":5911,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1632,"rationale":5931,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},881,"76150","Brazil is ending up in the hands of... We must diversify our exports more worldwide.",4957.28,4962.82,"repeats that Brazil needs to further diversify its exports worldwide.",{"idx":5933,"utterance_id":5934,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5935,"start_s":5936,"end_s":5937,"word_count":333,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},882,"76151","China is extremely important, deserves to be treated with a red carpet, but it is creating a dependence.",4963.12,4969.54,{"idx":5939,"utterance_id":5940,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5941,"start_s":5942,"end_s":5943,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":5908,"topic_label":5909,"target_id":5944,"target_proposition":5945,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":5946,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},883,"76152","Then China comes and starts to flood in with some products and Brazil can't say no.",4969.82,4975.58,"d551faee-0925-4d64-80e6-30163e914e26","protect national cocoa production against import competition","criticizes 'invasão' of products and says Brazil cannot say no.",{"idx":5948,"utterance_id":5949,"speaker_name":238,"text":5950,"start_s":5951,"end_s":5952,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":206,"topic_label":207,"target_id":5953,"target_proposition":5954,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":5955,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},884,"76153","So, it's necessary... But the thing is that the sanctions are coming from the United States.",4975.96,4978.66,"3095a383-fd19-4e98-96b8-2e30ee94d7f0","impose economic sanctions against foreign sectors","reports that sanctions are coming from the United States, without proposing action.",{"idx":5957,"utterance_id":5958,"speaker_name":238,"text":5959,"start_s":5960,"end_s":5961,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},885,"76154","I wanted to keep that focus.",4978.72,4980.12,{"idx":5963,"utterance_id":5964,"speaker_name":238,"text":5965,"start_s":5966,"end_s":5967,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},886,"76155","Candidate?",4980.36,4980.96,{"idx":5969,"utterance_id":5970,"speaker_name":238,"text":5971,"start_s":5972,"end_s":5973,"word_count":306,"topic_slug":206,"topic_label":207,"target_id":5953,"target_proposition":5954,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1664,"rationale":5974,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},887,"76156","The United States is making political decisions against several sectors.",4981.74,4987.7,"states that the US makes political decisions against sectors, a descriptive account.",{"idx":5976,"utterance_id":5977,"speaker_name":238,"text":5978,"start_s":5979,"end_s":5980,"word_count":400,"topic_slug":206,"topic_label":207,"target_id":5981,"target_proposition":5982,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":346,"rationale":5983,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},888,"76157","I want to understand where you are willing to give in to negotiate with the United States and how you will react.",4988.18,4997.1,"e413929b-609e-471f-8ede-4c7cb880358e","negotiate an agreement with the United States government","asks about willingness to give in and to react, does not take a position.",{"idx":5985,"utterance_id":5986,"speaker_name":238,"text":5987,"start_s":5988,"end_s":5989,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":206,"topic_label":207,"target_id":5990,"target_proposition":5991,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":5992,"rationale":5993,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},889,"76158","Do you consider this political interference here in Brazil normal?",4997.5,5001.04,"bd0a22bb-6c78-40e5-9dda-d3de1e3b6920","accept or assess external political interference in specific situations",0.55,"asks whether he considers political interference normal, does not take a position.",{"idx":5995,"utterance_id":5996,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5997,"start_s":5998,"end_s":5999,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},890,"76159","Natuza, when this problem started to arise last year, if I'm not mistaken it was April, May of 2025, I was still governor.",5002.5,5012.82,{"idx":6001,"utterance_id":6002,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6003,"start_s":6004,"end_s":6005,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},891,"76160","Lula remained quiet.",5014.6,5017.34,{"idx":6007,"utterance_id":6008,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6009,"start_s":6010,"end_s":6011,"word_count":170,"topic_slug":6012,"topic_label":6013,"target_id":6014,"target_proposition":6015,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":6016,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},892,"76161","If Brazil's second-largest trading partner had said, 'I'm here questioning this, I'm going to do this,' the first thing I would have done as president would be to get on a plane and go there personally to talk—to say 'I've come to resolve this.'",5018.04,5033.18,"relacoes-intergovernamentais","Intergovernmental Relations","b2014c5f-5bf2-44e5-86d4-ee389badd073","conduct direct diplomatic negotiations with trading partners","states he would have gone personally to the partner to resolve it, an explicit action.",{"idx":6018,"utterance_id":6019,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6020,"start_s":6021,"end_s":6022,"word_count":196,"topic_slug":6012,"topic_label":6013,"target_id":6014,"target_proposition":6015,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":363,"rationale":6023,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},893,"76162","He never did that.",5033.68,5034.58,"criticizes that the other did not go; says he would have gone personally.",{"idx":6025,"utterance_id":6026,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6027,"start_s":6028,"end_s":6029,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},894,"76163","Never.",5035.78,5036.12,{"idx":6031,"utterance_id":6032,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6033,"start_s":6034,"end_s":6035,"word_count":173,"topic_slug":5908,"topic_label":5909,"target_id":6036,"target_proposition":6037,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1664,"rationale":6038,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},895,"76164","When you have a good client... you stick with them.",5036.9,5040.42,"eb57b91f-c28a-4ae6-8ef9-62f0fd82554e","maintain close relations with main trading partners","says 'quando você tem um cliente bom... você acompanha ele', an implicit defense.",{"idx":6040,"utterance_id":6041,"speaker_name":238,"text":6042,"start_s":6043,"end_s":6044,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},896,"76165","But now the sanctions are already here.",5040.6,5042.12,{"idx":6046,"utterance_id":6047,"speaker_name":238,"text":6048,"start_s":6049,"end_s":6050,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},897,"76166","What will you do, if you become president?",5042.24,5044.44,{"idx":6052,"utterance_id":6053,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6054,"start_s":6055,"end_s":6056,"word_count":331,"topic_slug":6012,"topic_label":6013,"target_id":6014,"target_proposition":6015,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":233,"rationale":6057,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},898,"76167","I will go there as many times as necessary, together with the sectors involved, to talk with the president, with parliamentarians and do what is best for Brazil.",5044.88,5060.04,"promises to go as many times as necessary, explicitly endorsing in-person negotiations.",{"idx":6059,"utterance_id":6060,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6061,"start_s":6062,"end_s":6063,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},899,"76168","Now, as a candidate.",5060.22,5060.84,{"idx":6065,"utterance_id":6066,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6067,"start_s":6068,"end_s":6069,"word_count":204,"topic_slug":206,"topic_label":207,"target_id":6070,"target_proposition":6071,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":6072,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},900,"76169","And also begin to see what Brazil can do in terms of sanctions as well.",5061.38,5066.62,"f1968ceb-c6c8-45e4-8ca9-f57b5326f397","adopt economic retaliations against foreign countries","says he is beginning to see what sanctions Brazil could impose, an explicit proposal.",{"idx":6074,"utterance_id":6075,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6076,"start_s":6077,"end_s":6078,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":206,"topic_label":207,"target_id":6079,"target_proposition":6080,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1615,"rationale":6081,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},901,"76170","We will not be... doormats of the United States, nor of anyone.",5066.98,5071.04,"51a951d0-bec7-464d-89cf-07c4dada7352","resist pressure and not be subservient in bilateral relations","declares 'não vamos ser capachos', advocating an assertive stance.",{"idx":6083,"utterance_id":6084,"speaker_name":238,"text":6085,"start_s":6086,"end_s":6087,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},902,"76171","Sorry, so would you retaliate?",5071.12,5074.5,{"idx":6089,"utterance_id":6090,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6091,"start_s":6092,"end_s":6093,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},903,"76172","Certainly.",5075.62,5076.34,{"idx":6095,"utterance_id":6096,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6097,"start_s":6098,"end_s":6099,"word_count":173,"topic_slug":206,"topic_label":207,"target_id":6100,"target_proposition":6101,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1592,"rationale":6102,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},904,"76173","In whatever is within our reach, I will act.",5076.62,5078.76,"7d4923bd-d9df-47e1-aa8f-bd7f0f63a10c","adopt economic retaliation measures within national capacity","says he will act 'naquilo que tiver o nosso alcance', promising limited responses.",{"idx":6104,"utterance_id":6105,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6106,"start_s":6107,"end_s":6108,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},905,"76174","No, wait, you guys find it so easy here, that's not how things work.",5078.82,5084.2,{"idx":6110,"utterance_id":6111,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6112,"start_s":6113,"end_s":6114,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},906,"76175","Everything has limits.",5084.78,5085.82,{"idx":6116,"utterance_id":6117,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6118,"start_s":6119,"end_s":6120,"word_count":343,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},907,"76176","Now we must remember that in the United States we have an unpredictable and somewhat blustering president.",5086.32,5093.34,{"idx":6122,"utterance_id":6123,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6124,"start_s":6125,"end_s":6126,"word_count":21,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},908,"76177","Who is causing turbulence across much of the world and who will likely not be there much longer.",5094.64,5103.2,{"idx":6128,"utterance_id":6129,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6130,"start_s":6131,"end_s":6132,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},909,"76178","He has caused too much turbulence.",5103.3,5106.62,{"idx":6134,"utterance_id":6135,"speaker_name":238,"text":6136,"start_s":6137,"end_s":6138,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},910,"76179","You spoke about the Lula government, but the Bolsonaro family, Eduardo Bolsonaro, even celebrated those tariffs.",5106.66,5112.4,{"idx":6140,"utterance_id":6141,"speaker_name":238,"text":6142,"start_s":6143,"end_s":6144,"word_count":208,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},911,"76180","Do you not see any responsibility on the part of the Bolsonaro family in these tariffs?",5112.44,5115.32,{"idx":6146,"utterance_id":6147,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6148,"start_s":6149,"end_s":6150,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},912,"76181","Absolutely.",5116.6,5117.68,{"idx":6152,"utterance_id":6153,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6154,"start_s":6155,"end_s":6156,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},913,"76182","If he can and enjoys contributing so much, he should have done something good for Brazilians.",5119.36,5126.26,{"idx":6158,"utterance_id":6159,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6091,"start_s":6160,"end_s":6161,"word_count":257,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},914,"76183",5126.96,5127.94,{"idx":6163,"utterance_id":6164,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6165,"start_s":6166,"end_s":6167,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},915,"76184","They just keep pushing it onto each other.",5128.7,5130.62,{"idx":6169,"utterance_id":6170,"speaker_name":238,"text":6171,"start_s":6172,"end_s":6173,"word_count":349,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},916,"76185","About this retaliation, I'd like to understand better in which sector you could retaliate against the United States?",5131.62,5140.92,{"idx":6175,"utterance_id":6176,"speaker_name":238,"text":6177,"start_s":6178,"end_s":6179,"word_count":173,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},917,"76186","Because I said, I'll retaliate, I'll see which 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world.",5154.64,5167.32,"9517718d-3c00-46c3-b9f4-1498366569f2","replace imports with alternative suppliers in the international market","proposes evaluating purchases and seeking alternatives worldwide.",{"idx":6202,"utterance_id":6203,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6204,"start_s":6205,"end_s":6206,"word_count":220,"topic_slug":6012,"topic_label":6013,"target_id":6207,"target_proposition":6208,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":314,"rationale":6209,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},921,"76190","Brazil needs to learn to negotiate better.",5167.98,5172.48,"d832feb2-66bd-4111-b647-deb66d239879","improve international negotiation capacity","states that Brazil needs to learn to negotiate better, a normative proposition.",{"idx":6211,"utterance_id":6212,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6213,"start_s":6214,"end_s":6215,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":6012,"topic_label":6013,"target_id":6207,"target_proposition":6208,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1615,"rationale":6216,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},922,"76191","Negotiation is something that requires time, that requires skilled people.",5173.42,5179.06,"says negotiation requires time and skilled people, advocating investment.",{"idx":6218,"utterance_id":6219,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6220,"start_s":6221,"end_s":6222,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},923,"76192","It's not something so simple.",5179.52,5181.22,{"idx":6224,"utterance_id":6225,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6226,"start_s":6227,"end_s":6228,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},924,"76193","Oh, you retaliated against me; I'll retaliate 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prevented.",5224.34,5240.6,{"idx":6291,"utterance_id":6292,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6293,"start_s":6294,"end_s":6295,"word_count":208,"topic_slug":206,"topic_label":207,"target_id":6296,"target_proposition":6297,"stance":313,"stance_confidence":1592,"rationale":6298,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},935,"76204","Our electoral process, I consider it adequate; it can be improved.",5241.28,5246.1,"5092b29d-1faf-4198-9f5c-93db4cdb0962","allow participation of external observers in electoral monitoring","attributes a visa revocation to questions about observers; reports the context.",{"idx":6300,"utterance_id":6301,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6302,"start_s":6303,"end_s":6304,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":6305,"topic_label":6306,"target_id":6307,"target_proposition":6308,"stance":355,"stance_confidence":1322,"rationale":6309,"indexable":316,"job_id":185},936,"76205","And why not allow an external party to be present to monitor 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that once again it was something inappropriate from the Lula government and PT.",5252.96,5258.14,"criticizes the government for the action and, in context, advocates openness to external observation.",{"idx":6325,"utterance_id":6326,"speaker_name":238,"text":6327,"start_s":6328,"end_s":6329,"word_count":9,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},939,"76208","And so, in the United States it's not personal, because the ambassador is a position of... She serves in a State role, she is already well known.",5258.22,5266.98,{"idx":6331,"utterance_id":6332,"speaker_name":238,"text":6333,"start_s":6334,"end_s":6335,"word_count":220,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},940,"76209","She served at the UN; she is a respected figure.",5267.72,5270.98,{"idx":6337,"utterance_id":6338,"speaker_name":238,"text":6339,"start_s":6340,"end_s":6341,"word_count":204,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},941,"76210","Do you then think it is all right for the United States to act in that way?",5271.4,5275.2,{"idx":6343,"utterance_id":6344,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6345,"start_s":6346,"end_s":6347,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},942,"76211","I think Brazil was wrong and I think the United States was wrong 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Brazilians will be smart; they will vote for a better future.",5456.44,5463.92,{"idx":6554,"utterance_id":6555,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6556,"start_s":6557,"end_s":6558,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},973,"76242","It's now or never.",5464.3,5465.16,{"idx":6560,"utterance_id":6561,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":6562,"start_s":6563,"end_s":6564,"word_count":244,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},974,"76243","Thank you.",5465.22,5465.74,{"idx":6566,"utterance_id":6567,"speaker_name":238,"text":6568,"start_s":6569,"end_s":6570,"word_count":196,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},975,"76244","Thank you, sir, for your participation.",5465.84,5467.9,{"idx":6572,"utterance_id":6573,"speaker_name":238,"text":6574,"start_s":6575,"end_s":6576,"word_count":250,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},976,"76245","Thank you, candidate.",5468.06,5468.98,{"idx":6578,"utterance_id":6579,"speaker_name":238,"text":6580,"start_s":6581,"end_s":6582,"word_count":318,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},977,"76246","Tomorrow we will receive Ronaldo Caiado, from PSD, Flávio Bolsonaro, from PL.",5469.08,5473.6,{"idx":6584,"utterance_id":6585,"speaker_name":238,"text":6586,"start_s":6587,"end_s":6588,"word_count":224,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},978,"76247","He is the guest next Monday.",5473.68,5475.86,{"idx":6590,"utterance_id":6591,"speaker_name":238,"text":6592,"start_s":6593,"end_s":6594,"word_count":274,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},979,"76248","Globo News and G1 are broadcasting live this series of special and joint interviews.",5476.04,5481.44,{"idx":6596,"utterance_id":6597,"speaker_name":238,"text":6598,"start_s":6599,"end_s":6600,"word_count":269,"indexable":242,"job_id":185},980,"76249","Thank you very much, especially to 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